XBOX Next Gen Rumor and Speculation Thread - Reveal May 21st

[JBHuskers]

From Stick Skills: (http://stickskills.com/2011/10/20/report-xbox-next-out-in-2013-ps4-to-follow-games-in-development/)

Develop has published dual reports today from their sources in the industry that say Sony and Microsoft have undertaken initial development for projects on the Playstation 4 and the currently dubbed “Xbox Next” respectively.

The website quotes a “trusted source to the matter” that Sony has begun work on a number of first-party projects for the Playstation 4, although it wont be expected to release before 2014.

Meanwhile, the report on Microsoft, according to Develop’s “multiple sources across the industry,” states that the company is planning to reveal their new Xbox at E3 2013 and will make it available in stores by the holiday of that year. The report goes on to mention that Lionhead is working on an internally named “Fable Next” project for the system, and that Epic’s new Unreal Engine might be available by the time the new console is released.

Both companies have declined any comment on the matter, and we’ve seen multiple reports in the past that have been refuted. At some point though, it’s inevitable that the next-generation of consoles will be unveiled. With most analysts projecting the current console cycle to last around 10 years, these timetables seen very plausible.

[I OU a Beatn]

LOL @ Sony if they allow MS to beat them to the punch again. Well, I guess they still have Japan. :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Come on Sony don't hate on us just tell us on when the ps4.It will happen dam it!!Who cares on who launches what first. crap soft will still make more money.

[SmoothPancakes]

Nice to hear it won't be long before the new consoles hit the market. I'm still going to buy a new 360 Slim this holiday season regardless, since my disc drive is sticking like an absolute bitch currently and refuses to open until after the 20th press of the eject button, but glad to see it's only a few more years before the next console hits the market. With a new 360, it'll give me a couple years to let the new console release, let all the issues come out, let MS release new (fixed) consoles, and then eventually make the upgrade.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah I dunno what my timetable would be for the new consoles....maybe tax time 2014.....maybe six months after launch.....

[I OU a Beatn]

I'll probably get a 720 at launch for sure, maybe PS4, too. It all really depends on the launch titles. If MS wants me on launch day, all they have to do is announce a Gears game. If Sony wants me, all they have to do is announce a Killzone game(a REAL one, none of this KZ3 shit) or a real SOCOM game. I do really hope Sony takes a lesson from MS and beefs up their online services and user interface. Those are the two areas where MS consistently makes Sony look like amateurs.

[JBHuskers]

Backwards compatibility will be huge for me.

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[SmoothPancakes]

Backwards compatibility will be huge for me.

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Amen.

[Violator]

or a real SOCOM game.

you know i am a huge SOCOM fan but I honestly just dont see that happening. The game has gone downhill since the PS3

[I OU a Beatn]

I didn't think Confrontation was THAT bad. S4, on the other hand, is the single biggest joke of a game I've ever played in my life. Zipper, Sony, and everyone involved with that piece of shit should be ashamed of themselves.

[Violator]

I didn't think Confrontation was THAT bad. S4, on the other hand, is the single biggest joke of a game I've ever played in my life. Zipper, Sony, and everyone involved with that piece of shit should be ashamed of themselves.

since they are coming out with PS2 games now just bundle all PS2 SOCOM games and let us make our lists up for the maps and modes (only for S3 and CA, S1 and S2 have to be played the same way) and that will sell more copies than anything. Give me the S3/CA interface with all maps and guns. Ohhh yeah thats all I would need.

[oweb26]

Nice to hear it won't be long before the new consoles hit the market. I'm still going to buy a new 360 Slim this holiday season regardless, since my disc drive is sticking like an absolute bitch currently and refuses to open until after the 20th press of the eject button, but glad to see it's only a few more years before the next console hits the market. With a new 360, it'll give me a couple years to let the new console release, let all the issues come out, let MS release new (fixed) consoles, and then eventually make the upgrade.

Smooth this is going to sound worse than what I mean but give it a nice punch, slap when hit the eject button. You can always open it up and fix the problem but the firm slap will get it open once you hit the eject button, naturally you would want your xbox to be laying down.

[SmoothPancakes]

Smooth this is going to sound worse than what I mean but give it a nice punch, slap when hit the eject button. You can always open it up and fix the problem but the firm slap will get it open once you hit the eject button, naturally you would want your xbox to be laying down.

Nice, I'll give that a try. This is the second time I've had this problem. My original 360's drive started sticking a couple years back and sent it in since it was still under warranty. They sent me back a refurb and it has been fine until just a month or two ago, when the drive started sticking again, only this time it's out of warranty. No way in hell I'm sending it in and paying $100 for MS to fix it. I've been wanting to upgrade my 120 GB HDD for a year now, so I'll just get a 250 GB 360 Slim and upgrade the whole thing. Just have to deal with this stupid sticking thing for two more months.

[CLW]

LOL @ Sony if they allow MS to beat them to the punch again. Well, I guess they still have Japan. :D

yep Sony apparently hasn't learned their lesson. you can put out a POS for a console that 50% crash and burn and win the console war. Just package some shit (literally) in a box call it PS4 and win the war.

[baseballplyrmvp]

microsoft better put in blue ray capability. someone has to realize that dvds are holding back the gaming industry.

[JBHuskers]

since they are coming out with PS2 games now just bundle all PS2 SOCOM games and let us make our lists up for the maps and modes (only for S3 and CA, S1 and S2 have to be played the same way) and that will sell more copies than anything. Give me the S3/CA interface with all maps and guns. Ohhh yeah thats all I would need.

:nod:

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[SmoothPancakes]

microsoft better put in blue ray capability. someone has to realize that dvds are holding back the gaming industry.

Agreed. Get blu-ray in both consoles and lets get this shit evened out in terms of disc capacity and everything else. Have blu-ray capability, with backwards comparability for the XBox 360 DVD discs and everything will be golden.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Agreed. Get blu-ray in both consoles and lets get this shit evened out in terms of disc capacity and everything else. Have blu-ray capability, with backwards comparability for the XBox 360 DVD discs and everything will be golden.

it has to be a no brainer....i do like the ideas of digital releases though. then game companies could start making games as big as your hard drive allowed. imagine what ncaa/madden would be like then? :o

[GatorfanStovy]

xbox won't do blu ray , if they do you won't need two system.I would and just get rid of hte ps all titogether but IMO still ps3>360

[I OU a Beatn]

since they are coming out with PS2 games now just bundle all PS2 SOCOM games and let us make our lists up for the maps and modes (only for S3 and CA, S1 and S2 have to be played the same way) and that will sell more copies than anything. Give me the S3/CA interface with all maps and guns. Ohhh yeah thats all I would need.

Yep, agreed 100%. Will Zipper/Sony do it? Probably not. Why? Because they're not smart enough to figure it out.


yep Sony apparently hasn't learned their lesson. you can put out a POS for a console that 50% crash and burn and win the console war. Just package some shit (literally) in a box call it PS4 and win the war.

Pretty much, especially in America. Sony does very well in Japan and Europe, but in America, people are going to buy the first thing on the market.


xbox won't do blu ray , if they do you won't need two system.I would and just get rid of hte ps all titogether but IMO still ps3>360

The 720 will have bluray. It's a guarantee.

[SmoothPancakes]

xbox won't do blu ray , if they do you won't need two system.I would and just get rid of hte ps all titogether but IMO still ps3>360

Honestly, Microsoft would be stupid as hell not to go to blu-ray. It has been absolutely no secret over the years since 360 came out that the DVD discs on 360 have had a lot of limitations on stuff included in lots of games. They need to get away from the tiny as hell DVDs and get on an even playing ground in regards to size limitations on discs as Playstation.

[DariusLock]

Count me out of the group of American's that usually buy the first thing out...they are dumbasses. Over the years Sony has continuously been the better system to me, I only ever got an XBox for the exclusives.

[I OU a Beatn]

It's very simple this for this generation:

If you prefer single player games, buy a PS3, because it has better single player EXCLUSIVE experiences.
If you prefer multiplayer, but a 360, because it provides a way better online experience(both in interface/features and games).

If you enjoy both, like myself, buy both.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah each has their own great things. I pay $40 a year for XBL just because it's worth it. I pay $40-$50 a year for Playstation Plus, because it is well worth the money, and pays for itself very quickly.

[AustinWolv]

Yeah I dunno what my timetable would be for the new consoles....maybe tax time 2014.....maybe six months after launch.....
I'm thinking a little while after launch also. Give it some time in production for any problems to settle out, prices to not be absurd, etc.

[GatorfanStovy]

Same here on the time table.Would so not be in the rush go out and buy one launch date.Gotta wait and look for backwards compatible as well for ps3 games first big issue. Might do the xbox new system right off dunno either. But right now I'm currently happy with both 360/ps3 right now.

[cdj]

From IGN (http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/07/report-xbox-720-will-be-smaller-cheaper-than-xbox-360?utm_campaign=twposts&utm_source=twitter):

Microsoft may be keeping quiet about development of the next generation Xbox, but a couple of crucial aspects of the console have surfaced by way of reputable Microsoft leak blogger MS Nerd (http://msnerd.tumblr.com/post/12233928364/clarity).

The Xbox 720, as it has become commonly referred to as, is allegedly codenamed "loop," and will be much smaller than the Xbox 360. Moreover, MS Nerd claims the system will cost less to produce in the hopes for achieving higher Kinect adoption. In addition, the console will be based on a modified version of the yet-to-be-announced Windows 9.

MS Nerd continues by stating that "It will use a Zune HD-like hardware platform—a 'main' processor with multiple dedicated assistive cores for graphics, AI, physics, sound, networking, encryption and sensors. It will be custom designed by Microsoft and two partners based on the ARM architecture."

Microsoft has yet to divulge in any information regarding their next console, although it is rumored that it will be revealed next year at E3 (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/117/1176197p1.html).

[SmoothPancakes]

Ha, of course, it'll cost less to produce, but cost more to buy. :fp:

And so help me God if it doesn't have fucking blu-ray.

[JBHuskers]

Windows 9? Windows 8 isn't even out yet.

[SmoothPancakes]

Windows 9? Windows 8 isn't even out yet.

Well, considering the 720 won't be out until probably sometime late 2013 (just in time for the holiday rush), Windows 9 would be right. Hell, MS is probably already working on the outline of Windows 10 for 3 or 4 years down the road.

[morsdraconis]

Sounds like total bullshit. No way Micro$oft is going to shell out the money needed to use Arm architecture and, if they do, it's going to be terrible since Arm isn't anywhere CLOSE to the same architecture as ATI or Intel so it would be horribly cumbersome on the operating system to attempt to run in an environment that's not anything like the native environment that Windows is used to.

Sounds like a complete hoax to me.

[NatureBoy]

For the first time in my life, I won't be in line to be one of the first to get a nex gen system. It takes companies a few years to get the hang of the new hardware and start producing good games for the system. I just bought a new Wii, 360 slim and PS3 last July. I'm good for awhile.

[SmoothPancakes]

For the first time in my life, I won't be in line to be one of the first to get a nex gen system. It takes companies a few years to get the hang of the new hardware and start producing good games for the system. I just bought a new Wii, 360 slim and PS3 last July. I'm good for awhile.

Yeah, I didn't get my 360 until Christmas 2009. I'm good. I did just fine continuing with PS2 and Xbox for a couple years, I'll be just fine with 360 for 3 or 4 more years.

[baseballplyrmvp]

i think i'll be getting one depending on price. i've had my 360 for like 3 years now. hopefully it lasts.

[DariusLock]

Just as long as my NCAA dynasties don't go PS4 I'll be fine!

[cdj]

X-Box 720 to be released Holiday 2012? (http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/09/report-xbox-720-releasing-holiday-2012?utm_campaign=twposts&utm_source=twitter) :fp:

Earlier this week, the web was set ablaze with new rumors regarding the next-generation Xbox, otherwise known as the Xbox 720 and allegedly codenamed ‘Loop.’ The original report suggested that the new system would be cheaper and smaller than the Xbox 360 (http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/11/07/report-xbox-720-will-be-smaller-cheaper-than-xbox-360), be based on Windows 9 and sport ARM processing architecture.

Most importantly, the source alleged that the new console would make its debut at E3 next year.

Tech journalist Paul Thurrott claimed otherwise today, suggesting that Microsoft will instead use Consumer Electronics Show in January as the launching point for their next console, and that it will integrate extensively with Windows 8 and Windows Phone.

During an episode of Windows Weekly (http://twit.tv/show/windows-weekly/233), Thurrott stated:

"What I'm hearing is the console is going to come out for holidays next year, meaning that they would almost have to announce this at CES, wouldn't they?”

He went on to claim that Microsoft is taking a note from Apple’s playbook. “They want this thing to integrate very tightly with Windows 8 and Windows Phone,” he said. “Which is a problem with the current Xbox.”

Given the nature of the source and the language used, we’d recommend taking these claims with a grain of salt.

All the same, should the next Xbox make its debut at CES, IGN will be on the ground conducting our annual coverage on IGN Tech (http://www.ign.com/events/ces).

[cdj]

More rumors, this from EGMNOW (http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/rumor-microsoft-to-announce-new-xbox-at-ces-in-january/):

THE BUZZ: Microsoft is preparing to officially announce the next Xbox console at CES in January, according to a new report.

French website Xboxygen says that the platform holder will not make any announcements relating to software or features but will discuss the console’s hardware and specifications. An anonymous source has revealed that Microsoft currently has two teams working on the console; a group called “Infinity” who is in charge of hardware and another called “loop” working on software. The site goes on to say that the console will include a six core processor, AMD graphics and 2GB of RAM.

EGM’s TAKE: Yet another rumor surrounding the next generation Xbox. What’s interesting here, though, is the proposed timing. Over the last few years the winter CES has gained a greater gaming presence (in the ’90s gaming was a huge part of the show). This would give Microsoft a distinct leg up going into the first half of the year, and boost going into June’s E3. It would also give them a headstart over Sony, if sonly plans on announcing anything at E3. The one question we can’t get out of our heads though, could a CES announcement mean a 2012 release?

[JBHuskers]

Rushing out the console much? Remember the RROD fiasco MS?

[SmoothPancakes]

Which is why I'm perfectly content waiting until at least late 2013 or 2014 before buying the new console, if it comes out in winter 2012.

[JBHuskers]

Which is why I'm perfectly content waiting until at least late 2013 or 2014 before buying the new console, if it comes out in winter 2012.

Yeah...I have enough as it is....This won't be a launch buy for me on either side of MS or Sony.

[I OU a Beatn]

It all depends on launch games for me. If they have the games/features that I want, I'll bite. If they don't, I wont. I don't really believe that rumor though. Microsoft is releasing a massive dashboard overhaul here in the coming weeks, and it just doesn't make sense to do if they're just going to roll out another Xbox within the year. Not to mention, wasn't Halo 4 confirmed has a 360 title?

[CLW]

Rushing out the console much? Remember the RROD fiasco MS?

They won the "next-gen" console war because of rushing it out over Sony. The American video game consumer would literally buy a POS in a box if you called it the newest/greatest video game console. 1st to the market wins product quality be damned.

[cdj]

The latest "news" (rumors) from GameSpot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-xbox-in-2012-ps4-dev-ramping-up-report-6346197):

It appears next-generation console rumors are coming to a consensus. Edge (http://www.next-gen.biz/news/next-generation-arrive-2012) today reported that Ubisoft, Electronic Arts, and other unspecified major developers are developing games for the successor to the Xbox 360 with a late 2012 launch expected.

According to the site, Ubisoft Montreal and "certain EA studios" are working on games with Microsoft-provided "target boxes" that use off-the-shelf computer parts matching the planned specifications for the company's next console. The first legitimate devkits for the system are expected to be provided to developers by the end of this year. The given late 2012 release window lines up with rumors from last week (http://www.gamespot.com/news/new-xbox-console-planned-for-holiday-2012-6344594) that pegged the next Xbox as launching in the holiday season next year.

Edge also provided a corroborating take for another next-generation rumor that had been floating around, this one about Sony's next PlayStation. Last month, rumors circulated that Sony had begun work on PlayStation 4 games (http://www.gamespot.com/news/ps4-games-entering-early-development-stage-report-6341322). A notion backed up by Edge's report that "one major Sony-owned studio has now ceased PlayStation 3 development" to work on the next console from the electronics giant.

[JBHuskers]

Bleh.

[JBHuskers]

Pretty soon they're going to go the Apple route and introduce the next gen once a year :fp:

The Gen3 cycle should have lasted MUCH longer than this before going on to Gen4.

[cdj]

I hope each of these consoles are backwards-compatible from the get-go.

[I OU a Beatn]

Pretty soon they're going to go the Apple route and introduce the next gen once a year :fp:

The Gen3 cycle should have lasted MUCH longer than this before going on to Gen4.

I agree. Sure, maybe the graphics are maxed out, but we're not going to be seeing a huge graphical leap on the next generation anyhow. There's still so much more developers can do to fine tune games. Some of the best games on PS2 were the ones that were released towards the end of it's life cycle and a little before PS3 was released. Oh well. I wonder if we'll see another game price increase for next generation. $80 games. I can see it now. :D

[JBHuskers]

I hope each of these consoles are backwards-compatible from the get-go.

With the Gen3 boom, you'd think they HAVE too. But also, who didn't see them dropping the compatibility halfway into this Gen.

[morsdraconis]

I agree. Sure, maybe the graphics are maxed out, but we're not going to be seeing a huge graphical leap on the next generation anyhow. There's still so much more developers can do to fine tune games. Some of the best games on PS2 were the ones that were released towards the end of it's life cycle and a little before PS3 was released. Oh well. I wonder if we'll see another game price increase for next generation. $80 games. I can see it now. :D

Believe me, after pushing Skyrim as far as I have and then looking at gameplay videos of it from an Xbox, the graphics for the PS3 and 360 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than what you can get out of a PC using recently new hardware. It's night and day differences, especially something like Skyrim, where the consoles have to REALLY push the visual distance closer to make it run smooth. With some tweaking, I can stand on top of a mountain, look halfway across the world, and see mountain ranges WAY off in the distance.

[JBHuskers]

Believe me, after pushing Skyrim as far as I have and then looking at gameplay videos of it from an Xbox, the graphics for the PS3 and 360 are SIGNIFICANTLY worse than what you can get out of a PC using recently new hardware. It's night and day differences, especially something like Skyrim, where the consoles have to REALLY push the visual distance closer to make it run smooth. With some tweaking, I can stand on top of a mountain, look halfway across the world, and see mountain ranges WAY off in the distance.

Do you put your sword in the air and scream I HAVE THE POWER!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk

[morsdraconis]

I wish I could, cause I totally would. ;)

[cdj]

From Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/02/21/microsoft-xbox-720-to-sport-3d-gaming-touchscreen-controllers/):

The next version of the Xbox – the Xbox 720 – is expected to launch in 2013. Microsoft may be planning to add 3D display features and touchscreen controllers to the Xbox 720.

The Xbox 720 will be launched nearly 8 years after the Xbox 360. It is expected to be revolutionary in terms of features and graphical capabilities, and may be integrated with the Kinect motion sensor. A recent job listing indicates that Microsoft also plans to include 3D gaming features to the Xbox 720. It is also speculated that the new controllers in the Xbox 720 will have an HD display with the traditional buttons and sticks, enabling touchscreen controls. It can be used as a remote control and a web browser. The Xbox 720 is expected to six times as powerful as the Xbox 360, and will also be priced higher than $500.

[morsdraconis]

:smh: :smh: :smh: :smh:

That sounds SO retarded. Touchscreen controls? 3D gaming?! Kinect?! :sick:

This shit comes out and I'm done with console gaming COMPLETELY. I don't need dumb ass gimicks to play video games. If I needed that, I'd own a fuckin' Wii.

[bdoughty]

I can live without Kinect and 3D. I do not mind the touch screen controller. I like the look of the Wii U controller and expected MS to follow.

Rumor is also going that the next Xbox (current code name Durango) will not play used games. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217257p1.html)

[JBHuskers]

I can live without Kinect and 3D. I do not mind the touch screen controller. I like the look of the Wii U controller and expected MS to follow.

Rumor is also going that the next Xbox (current code name Durango) will not play used games. (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/121/1217257p1.html)

I heard that rumor got squashed.

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[SmoothPancakes]

That would be monumentally stupid on MS' part if that were to be true.

[oweb26]

All I see is more broken controllers and priced higher then 500.00 means ill be waiting on it unless my wife buys it quick kinda means I indirectly buy it.

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[SmoothPancakes]

All I see is more broken controllers and priced higher then 500.00 means ill be waiting on it unless my wife buys it quick kinda means I indirectly buy it.

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Yeah, seeing as I just literally got a 360 Slim, to replace my old 360 with the disc drive going bad in it, it'll be at least mid-2014 before I'd even consider buying the 720, probably not until late-2014 or 2015.

[baseballplyrmvp]

i guess i'm a little foolish cuz i'll probably buy it new. i've only had one 360 in 5 years (been repaired once 2 years ago), so i think its time for an upgrade. of course, a lot can happen between now and when the 720 releases. :D

[CLW]

Well M$ just won the next console war (if true). They can literally put a POS in a box with 100% failure rate and noone will care and buy it up like a bunch of laches. Oh well my PS3 already has 3D capabilities (not that I use it) and a touchscreen controller just does not interest me in the slightest. Good lord how big (and expensive) do you think those controllers will be?

[I OU a Beatn]

You guys are misinterpreting the touchscreen controller idea. From every article I've read(except the one), they've described it as something akin to the PS Vita. I had my worries about how it would feel before I got one, but after using it, I'm more than open to the idea. You'd be basically using a standard 360 controller that had been widened to accommodate the screen. There's no way Microsoft would abandon they're controller design(which a lot of people love, especially for shooters) for a touch screen tablet.

I also don't understand where the article is going when it says 3D support because the 360 already supports 3D, and while it is a nice feature, it's not something I would base a console purchase on. I've had a 3D TV for about a month now and I rarely use it because it just kills my eyes.

[gschwendt]

Well M$ just won the next console war (if true). They can literally put a POS in a box with 100% failure rate and noone will care and buy it up like a bunch of laches. Oh well my PS3 already has 3D capabilities (not that I use it) and a touchscreen controller just does not interest me in the slightest. Good lord how big (and expensive) do you think those controllers will be?I think if Sony is smart, they figure out a good way to leverage smart phones as their touchscreen controllers. Let me use my Android phone to look at stats or call plays while I'm playing a football game. Don't make it a necessity but make it something as a worthwhile addition. If not smart phones, then I'm sure they'd just use the Vita to do the same thing that the WiiU controller will do.

[cdj]

Sony will have a shot if they can undercut the cost of the 720 significantly (at least $50 or $100), even if it comes to market after the 720. Being last to the market plus being the most expensive console put them in a hole last time around.

If both consoles are expensive (almost a certainty), there's going to be another slow adoption rate that not only hurts the gaming community, but will also see studios (especially smaller ones) struggle and/or close. That is unless studios are able and decide to offer the same or similar versions of title on PS3/360 and PS4/720 or somehow development costs on these new machines are more manageable this time around. (Unlikely if studios are going to have two concurrent dev teams.)

CLW brings up a good point. How big (& expensive) are these controllers going to be? Perhaps the touchscreen is more optional than required? I like gschwendt's idea of allowing smart phones & devices to be utilized in that role.

[bdoughty]

Sony will have a shot if they can undercut the cost of the 720 significantly (at least $50 or $100), even if it comes to market after the 720. Being last to the market plus being the most expensive console put them in a hole last time around..

You used the terms "Sony and Undercut." These are two words never used in a Sony board room. Just look at TV's and Sony's price structure in a crowded market that they are no longer the king. Sony is like Apple's mini-me in regards to pricing. Look at the Vita, $299.99 launch price for a handheld. Even the cheapest model is $249.99, which is the same price the the 3DS launched at and it did not take long for Nintendo to figure out the $250 pricetag for a handheld, is a stretch.

[JeffHCross]

That would be monumentally stupid on MS' part if that were to be true.I forsee both Sony and M$ trying to find extra ways to squash the used market. Lots of pressure from third-party companies there too.


I think if Sony is smart, they figure out a good way to leverage smart phones as their touchscreen controllers.Cause so many people have Sony Ericsson phones, and Sony's always played so well with non-proprietary formats. Oh wait. :D

Good idea though. Be more likely to see from M$ with Windows phones.


You used the terms "Sony and Undercut." These are two words never used in a Sony board room.True, though they do have a new President (or CEO, can't remember which).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaBUeINW_3s

[JBHuskers]

From Gamespot:

The PlayStation 4 will be powered by AMD, according to sources. The PS3 ran on Nvidia technology.

[jaymo76]

Any other 30 something's like me who are wondering if this gen may be the last console they will own? I started back in the early 80's with a Coleco vision, occasionally rented Activision, then went to Nintendo, had an Atari, owned a genesis, owned a Super Nintendo, owned an original Playstation, then owned a PS2, upgraded to a 360 and got RRoD... (plus my wife picked up a Wii), then a few years back picked up the PS3.

If the PS4 price structure is anything like it was with the PS3 when it came out then I am surely done. Plus, If they developers do on the PS4 what they did with PS3 and build the NCAA series from the ground up, I just don't have the stomach to go through that again.

[bdoughty]

Just under a month to go to still be called 30 something. That said, I will be gaming as long as gaming does not require you to play motion gaming style. Sticks, triggers and buttons for me, thank you. I do not see EA making the same mistake again. They should just build upon what the have, get more of the things still missing from last gen and let the next gen guys work on advanced AI and a next gen graphics makeover.

P.S. I am assuming by Activision you meant Intellivision?

[JBHuskers]

I'm 32.5 (exactly .5 on Sunday :D), and I am doubting this (the 4th gen) will be the last generation of a console that I get. Most likely I'll game til arthritis takes my hands or I die :D If I do get arthritis, I guess I could still use the Kinect :D

[jaymo76]

Yeah JB, it will probably be the same for me but I suspect that my kids will be the active players and I will become more of the background observer. It will be really interesting to see the price structure though.

[bdoughty]

Juicy rumors surround the PC4, I mean PS4. ;)

Stolen from NEOGAF.

This was tucked away in an article Richard Leadbetter (Digital Foundry) wrote for GamesIndustry.biz. I guess it went a little unnoticed because it's behind a registration wall, but it and the Kotaku article seemingly corroborate each other.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/digitalfoundry-alienware-x51-pc-gaming?page=2

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I recently heard from a reputable source that the forthcoming Sony console is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up and in this sense, an AMD collaboration on the CPU holds many attractions - for the first time since the launch of the original Xbox, we could well be seeing an x86 processor in a console. It may be hard to imagine that the company that brought us the Cell would be embracing PC tech so wholeheartedly, but a look at the make-up of Vita suggests a fundamental shift in the way Sony builds its consoles in the wake of Ken Kutaragi's departure.

It's not about exotic, groundbreaking hardware anymore, it's all about creating the best possible games machine with an enviable set of development tools - and it's an approach that has already yielded results. While PlayStation Vita may lack a stand-out killer app, I still think that it's set the bar in terms of overall quality and quantity over and above any console launch I've seen in over 21 years in the business. Extrapolating that same philosophy towards PlayStation 4 makes a PC-style approach to Sony's next console seem very likely indeed.

[JBHuskers]

That might make Mors jizz in his pants....

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss19/solelygifs/Self-made/Jizz%20in%20my%20Pants/jimp23.gif

[morsdraconis]

Meh. Just means that PC ports of PS3 games will be easier on developers, which means that the games might not be steaming piles of shit on the PC.

[NatureBoy]

EXCLUSIVE: No disc drive for Next Xbox
MCV has learnt that Microsoft has been telling partners that the Next Xbox will NOT include a disc drive.

The briefings have been issued under what MCV’s source describes as “the strictest NDA” they have ever encountered.

Although the console will not include a disc drive, it will offer compatibility with some sort of interchangeable solid-state card storage, although it is not known whether this will be proprietary or a more standard format such as SD.

Furthermore, a 2013 launch date for the hardware has been confirmed. What is less clear, however, is the intended timing of Microsoft’s announcement.

As revealed by MCV earlier this year, an E3 2012 reveal could still very much be on the cards.

The omission of a disc drive signifies the beginning of a new era for games consoles and represents a potentially savage blow to the already beleaguered video games retail sector.

Of course, retailers will tell you that they are already involved in the digital market. Indeed, GAME is enjoying growing revenue from the sale of digital download cards for digital-only titles and DLC.

Nonetheless, the abolition of physical games is bad news for retail however it is spun. With the Next Xbox positioned as a digital centric platform, the relevance of retail will once once again eroded.

When contacted by MCV Microsoft said that it does not comment on rumour and speculation.

“Xbox 360 has found new ways to extend its lifecycle like introducing the world to controller-free experiences with Kinect and re-inventing the console with a new dashboard and new entertainment content partnerships. We are always thinking about what is next for our platform and how to continue to defy the lifecycle convention. Beyond that we do not comment on rumors or speculation.”

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/exclusive-no-disc-drive-for-next-xbox/092534

[oweb26]

WOW! if this is true that would really suck for alot of stores.

It is awesome for Microsoft and its relationship with developers though, no more online pass because now you fuckers can't even play the game used. Kinda sucks all aroung for everyone honestly though, especially for those shitty games that you will buy used just to save money or even for those games that all you want to play is the multiplayer. The only way I can see this truly working out is ALA steam shit goes on sale really quick!!!

This is defatntely a way to get around (compete with) the space of the blu-ray drive while also not neglecting the system, pretty smart overall if you ask me from a business POV.

[morsdraconis]

Better come with a Terabyte HD standard or it'll be a complete fuck up by them. When you have games that are in the 16gig range or more, there are definitely gonna be some storage issues down the line. That is, unless they go completely internet dependent and require you to play them via cloud storage. Not sure how I feel about that though it's interesting for them to be completely getting rid of physical media. The pirate in me sees VAST potential. ;)

[morsdraconis]

WOW! if this is true that would really suck for alot of stores.

It is awesome for Microsoft and its relationship with developers though, no more online pass because now you fuckers can't even play the game used. Kinda sucks all aroung for everyone honestly though, especially for those shitty games that you will buy used just to save money or even for those games that all you want to play is the multiplayer. The only way I can see this truly working out is ALA steam shit goes on sale really quick!!!

This is defatntely a way to get around (compete with) the space of the blu-ray drive while also not neglecting the system, pretty smart overall if you ask me from a business POV.

At this point, I say fuck the box stores. They're a racket anyway. Anything I would buy that's video game related gets purchased online via Steam or Amazon anyway. I haven't bought a game at a retail store in probably close to 7 or 8 years (I preordered Doom 3 at Gamestop for the PC).

Even doing this, it won't stop places like Amazon from also being able to sell the game by just selling you a redeem code that you then put in and download the game with instead of purchasing it through Xbox Live.

What's going to GREATLY hurt Microsoft is if they go with the always connected to the internet model and make you have to pay the $50 a year for Xbox Live Gold to be able to do anything. Going that route is going to make it where they lose quite a few customers if Sony decides to go a different route with PSN and the PS4.

[SmoothPancakes]

I wouldn't mind it. I've already downloaded a couple full games and some arcade games without problem or issue. And pretty much every game I get these days comes from Amazon. I only go to Gamestop if I absolutely have to or if their pre-order bonus blows Amazon's out of the park. Otherwise, it's not worth taking an hour out of my day to drive to the next town over, get a game from Gamestop and drive back.

This would work out even better, because now I have to wait until sometime during 1pm if I'm lucky to get on the early route, or else sometime after 4pm on the normal late route for UPS to deliver any games I order from Amazon. MS updates the marketplace at 6am, so buying games directly from the marketplace, we'd be able to buy and start downloading new games at 6am that day, instead of having to go out to a store or waiting all day for UPS to deliver.

And storage shouldn't be a problem. Even with just a 250gb hard drive right now, I've got at least 15-20 games, probably more, installed on my hard drive at this very moment. Most of my games range and average from 4 or 5 to 10 gigs max. Make it at least 500gb, and storage wouldn't be a problem.

[gschwendt]

Just so long as I'll be able to "rent" games for a period of time without purchasing the full title, I'll be fine. I don't want to pay $60 for a game that I can complete in a weekend or less but I'll happy pay $10 for a 5 day rental or something.

Like mentioned though, if not renting, then you better have killer steam sales. I don't purchase full priced titles on Steam hardly ever but I have a really big collection all the same.

I would assume retail stores would still sell SOME games on some sort of memory card or something... there are still plenty of folks that don't have great internet or even some that don't have any internet connection.

[SmoothPancakes]

Just so long as I'll be able to "rent" games for a period of time without purchasing the full title, I'll be fine. I don't want to pay $60 for a game that I can complete in a weekend or less but I'll happy pay $10 for a 5 day rental or something.

Like mentioned though, if not renting, then you better have killer steam sales. I don't purchase full priced titles on Steam hardly ever but I have a really big collection all the same.

I would assume retail stores would still sell SOME games on some sort of memory card or something... there are still plenty of folks that don't have great internet or even some that don't have any internet connection.

That's where I become selective in games I buy, only buying games that I know I'm going to want to play again and again now and then over time. I have maybe 65-70 games sitting here on my shelf, and the only ones I have ever sold or traded in were old sports games (Madden 09/10, NCAA 09/10/11), everything else I keep because I like to pop old games in now and then and play them again here and there. I don't buy every game that comes out, just the ones that interest me and that I know I'll at least get some replay value out of over time when that day comes along that that game sounds like fun popping it in. So as far as purchasing the full title, I personally wouldn't have any problems there.

Others, like your case, something like that rental idea would work and probably be used a good bit.

[DariusLock]

USED games bye bye? F-U microsoft. PS better not go this route...this could be a big f-up by Mike.

[bdoughty]

As much as I hate Gamestop, I do like having a physical disc. That said, Steam's success has shown there are plenty of people around who could care less about having a disc.

[SmoothPancakes]

As much as I hate Gamestop, I do like having a physical disc. That said, Steam's success has shown there are plenty of people around who could care less about having a disc.

Yeah, I generally do like having a physical disc, but I have grown out of that as far as computer games. I have 50 games on my computer and it's so much easier just being able to fire any of them up within seconds through Steam than have to go pull out the disc(s) from wherever they may end up stored at over time. So I can definitely see myself becoming used to having no discs for Xbox.

[SmoothPancakes]

Here's a thought. If these rumors turn out to be true, would games potentially be cheaper on Xbox? You won't have to deal with the costs of making and shipping physical discs and cases. It'd just be a matter of uploading the game on to MS' servers and the Xbox Live marketplace.

[morsdraconis]

Here's a thought. If these rumors turn out to be true, would games potentially be cheaper on Xbox? You won't have to deal with the costs of making and shipping physical discs and cases. It'd just be a matter of uploading the game on to MS' servers and the Xbox Live marketplace.

If they are cheaper, they won't be by much. It's total bullshit that games on consoles are $60 when I can get the exact same game, brand new, for the PC for $40. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

[ram29jackson]

with new consoles..they should also design them for easier hook up..not having to worry about this wire or that wire or in/out what ever into the tv

[steelerfan]

with new consoles..they should also design them for easier hook up..not having to worry about this wire or that wire or in/out what ever into the tv

Huh?

My PS3 has a power cord and an HDMI cable. How much simpler do you want it?

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[SmoothPancakes]

Huh?

My PS3 has a power cord and an HDMI cable. How much simpler do you want it?

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Exactly. My 360, a power cord going to the surge bar and an HDMI cable going to the TV. What else is there worry about or deal with?

[cdj]

Here's a thought. If these rumors turn out to be true, would games potentially be cheaper on Xbox? You won't have to deal with the costs of making and shipping physical discs and cases. It'd just be a matter of uploading the game on to MS' servers and the Xbox Live marketplace.

Should they be? Yes. Will they? Doubtful.

I still think there is a huge market out there who want that physical disc to justify the $60 purchase. (Think parents, older gamers, people who play on multiple consoles, people with no/slow net, those who recoup cost by trading game in, etc.) For a while we will get games both digitally and physical, but I don't think companies are going to undercut brick & mortar retailers by selling them for less online. The middleman and physical packaging costs are gone, but they still have to pay something to MS & Sony to put them in the store - and they also get a commission/cut for each sale. Total digital distribution falls under the category of a 'perfect world' item. On paper it sounds perfect, but in reality there are still a ton of hurdles to overcome.

[gschwendt]

My best bet is that Microsoft and/or Sony make a push so that all games are available digitally on their next console at launch, however they will still have physical media also available as an option. If they're smart, they'll offer the digital version either a few days earlier or make it $10-$20 less than the physical copy.

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah, if the digital version was even $10 less than the physical copy, hell, I may like having an actual case and disc on my hands, but I'm fine with no disc or case for $40 or $50. :D

[steelerfan]

Big companies never think, "hey, let's pass the savings on to the consumer."

Full versions of games are downloadable now for $59.99. I'll believe that they'll be cheaper when I see it. If anything, my guess is that games jump to $69.99 on the next generation of consoles.

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[SmoothPancakes]

Big companies never think, "hey, let's pass the savings on to the consumer."

Full versions of games are downloadable now for $59.99. I'll believe that they'll be cheaper when I see it. If anything, my guess is that games jump to $69.99 on the next generation of consoles.

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And if games get to that point, it could just end up being the point that puts me right out of gaming. Paying $300+ for a console is bad enough, but paying nearly $100 just for a game is getting fucking ridiculous. I've made due with $60 for this generation, but if it gets to $70, then either I'm retiring from console gaming and going solely PC gaming, or I'm going to become ultra anal conservative with my game buying and only get the games I absolutely 100% know I will play regularly, which means new series and games will never have a chance with me.

[bdoughty]

You guys are missing the #1 reason that the pricing will stay EXACTLY the same no matter how the software is handled. The new technology makes games more expensive to make. I am just waiting for Activision's CEO to come out and discuss a $69.99 retail price. Remember they were the ones that made the push for $59.99 this generation. They will add that ad revenue is not bringing in as much as expected, etc,etc, etc.

[SmoothPancakes]

Well, like I said, if shit hits $70 and higher, new games and companies are going to get almost NO support from me. I'm going to stick to what I know and enjoy at that point, and am going to transition to almost exclusively PC gaming. I have 50-60 games or so sitting on my entertainment shelf for 360. I have 50 games installed on my laptop right now. That will easily grow to over 100 in the future if prices keep going up. There are easily hundreds of computer games I could get and would probably enjoy that I can get all for $40 or less. Add in Steam sales with shit priced in half or games under $10 or $5, hell yeah, so long Sony and MS.

[SmoothPancakes]

Here is example #1 of why I may start steering more towards PC gaming if game prices increase with the next-gen consoles. MLB 2K12, just came out last Tuesday, $59.99 for PS3/360, $29.99 for PC on Steam. Highest priced PC game I've seen on Steam is $49.99. If console prices reach $70 or higher in the future, console gaming for me will be all but dead except for the very few handful of games that would be meet my levels of expectations and have sky high replay values, and it'll be almost nothing but PC from then on.

[morsdraconis]

Here is example #1 of why I may start steering more towards PC gaming if game prices increase with the next-gen consoles. MLB 2K12, just came out last Tuesday, $59.99 for PS3/360, $29.99 for PC on Steam. Highest priced PC game I've seen on Steam is $49.99. If console prices reach $70 or higher in the future, console gaming for me will be all but dead except for the very few handful of games that would be meet my levels of expectations and have sky high replay values, and it'll be almost nothing but PC from then on.

PC, in the long run, is definitely the cheapest option with Steam and Amazon sells frequently DESTROYING the prices of these games normal retail wise.

[SmoothPancakes]

PC, in the long run, is definitely the cheapest option with Steam and Amazon sells frequently DESTROYING the prices of these games normal retail wise.

Yeah, I've made a couple of game buys that I had never given any thought of buying or had even noticed existed until after seeing them on sale for insanely cheap on Steam and Amazon. A sale for PS3 or 360 is considered good or great if it makes it down to $35 or $40. A PC sale, shit, that stuff can reach down to $10 or $20, and lower for some of the slightly older games. PC definitely wins out and is cheaper. Only thing keeping me on consoles is I'm so used to playing games with a controller and would never be able to play another shooter, fighting/adventure or sports game as I just can't do it well at all with mouse and keyboard.

And just looking through my wishlist on Steam, yeah, completely blows consoles out of the water. I have 16 games in my wishlist that I plan to buy for PC. Total prices (at this moment, will most likely drop more as prices on various games continue dropping over time) would be $329.44 for all of them. Comes out to $20.58 per game. Buying $60 games for consoles, I'd get 5 games total. I'd get 6 games for games priced $50. 8 games for games priced $40. PC just destroys the consoles in prices. And if the consoles go up to $70 or higher, PC is going to start getting more of that money that consoles currently get.

[morsdraconis]

Only thing keeping me on consoles is I'm so used to playing games with a controller and would never be able to play another shooter, fighting/adventure or sports game as I just can't do it well at all with mouse and keyboard.

See, I'm the exact opposite. I HATE playing anything that's not a fighting/adventure/sports game with a controller. I can't stand playing shooters with a controller. It's the most imprecise thing I've ever experienced.

But, for those like you that can't stand to play them with keyboard and mouse, most all PC ports of these shooters supports using a controller and if you have a wired Xbox 360 controller, it's plug and play with those games.

The ONLY issue is game companies fucking PC players by not supporting their PC ports of games as well as their console ports (I'm looking at you motherfuckin' 2kgames) or just not getting the game until much later on the PC. Doesn't happen often, but it's a real bitch when it happens with a game that you are enjoying/looking forward to.

[SmoothPancakes]

See, I'm the exact opposite. I HATE playing anything that's not a fighting/adventure/sports game with a controller. I can't stand playing shooters with a controller. It's the most imprecise thing I've ever experienced.

But, for those like you that can't stand to play them with keyboard and mouse, most all PC ports of these shooters supports using a controller and if you have a wired Xbox 360 controller, it's plug and play with those games.

The ONLY issue is game companies fucking PC players by not supporting their PC ports of games as well as their console ports (I'm looking at you motherfuckin' 2kgames) or just not getting the game until much later on the PC. Doesn't happen often, but it's a real bitch when it happens with a game that you are enjoying/looking forward to.

Yeah, I've only got wireless controllers, but I'll have to look into getting a wired one solely for PC. It's not so much that I hate using the mouse and keyboard, it's just that I suck ass at remembering which letter does what and hitting the right letters and buttons and right mouse movements in the heat of the moment, especially some of these games with half the keyboard assigned to commands in the game. Like hell I'm gonna be able to remember every individual command tied to a letter. :D

[bdoughty]

E3 just got less exciting. Wii U gets the stage to itself.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/122/1220897p1.html

After numerous leaks and suspicions about its alleged new console, Microsoft has issued an official statement regarding the future of Xbox. "For us, 2012 is all about Xbox 360-and it's the best year ever for Xbox 360," the company said in a statement. The Xbox 360's mega-success means we absolutely, positively will not see or hear about the Xbox 360 successor at E3.



"While we appreciate all the interest in our long-range plans for the future, we can confirm that there will be no talk of new Xbox hardware at E3 or anytime soon," Microsoft told IGN.

[morsdraconis]

Pfft. E3 is lame as hell anyway.

[JeffHCross]

Called it.

Pfft. E3 is lame as hell anyway.You are ridiculous in an awesome way.

[morsdraconis]

:)

Seriously though, I rarely ever even watch anything from E3. It's always little snippets of stuff, it's never anything truly GOOD when it comes to brand new games coming our way and anything that is shown really well is usually immediately leaked online as well.

Therefore, I have no need to waste my time actually paying attention to any of the E3 coverage. Before the internet was so all-encompassing, it was better, but E3 hasn't really done much for me in years.

[DariusLock]

:)

Seriously though, I rarely ever even watch anything from E3. It's always little snippets of stuff, it's never anything truly GOOD when it comes to brand new games coming our way and anything that is shown really well is usually immediately leaked online as well.

Therefore, I have no need to waste my time actually paying attention to any of the E3 coverage. Before the internet was so all-encompassing, it was better, but E3 hasn't really done much for me in years.

Doesn't matter if it's fun to watch on TV, it provides a lot of information...which is the point.

[morsdraconis]

Doesn't matter if it's fun to watch on TV, it provides a lot of information...which is the point.

Oh, I've never watched it on TV. I'd look at stuff after the show was over. I certainly never saw a point in actually watching the streaming coverage of it like some people do. There's never anything THAT important at one of the shows.

Really, though, I just don't gush over video games like I used to because there are few video games coming out that I'm head over heels for anymore. Borderlands 2 might be good. Diablo III might be good. Besides that, I'm really meh about everything else anywhere close to coming out soon.

[bdoughty]

I never watch the live stuff but like Darius said there is a lot of good info that pops up. I just go to gametrailers and get all the E3 stuff I need, which is video footage of games.

Mors hates darn near everything and would probably find something to complain about in regards to booth babes, cotton candy and the sun rising. :P

[SmoothPancakes]

I never watch the live stuff but like Darius said there is a lot of good info that pops up. I just go to gametrailers and get all the E3 stuff I need, which is video footage of games.

Mors hates darn near everything and would probably find something to complain about in regards to booth babes, cotton candy and the sun rising. :P

It's too goddamn bright and makes driving towards the east to get to work a bitch. :rolleyes:

[morsdraconis]

It's too goddamn bright and makes driving towards the east to get to work a bitch. :rolleyes:

I know right? :mad:

[cdj]

Leaked document (http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/06/16/rumor-microsoft-document-details-xbox-720.aspx) says X-Box 720 to come out in 2013 and retail for $299. Doc mentions Kinect glasses, OnLive acquisition, Blu-Ray compatibility, and more. The doc dates to 2010 so some plans may have been ditched/changed.

[SmoothPancakes]

Interesting. If that all is true, sweet, blu-ray finally.

[JBHuskers]

...and a nice price.

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[baseballplyrmvp]

...and a nice price.

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[SmoothPancakes]

...and a nice price.

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On the surface, agreed completely. However, is that the price no matter what or is that the starting price similar to what we have now, with different prices for different hard drive sized consoles? I haven't read the document they had in the story yet, so if the answer's included in there, I'm not sure.

[CLW]

I find it hard to believe that is a legit price (unless you are buying a completely watered down version that is no better than the 360). However, MS's strategy to beat Sony to the market could once again all but seal the deal in the next "console war".

[souljahbill]

I read a few year's ago when talk of the next-gen was in it's infancy that Sony and Microsoft were going to take cues from Nintendo in the next cycle in not giving us the latest and greatest tech because they saw Nintendo be successful with really old hardware and both companies took a bath for a few years just to get market share while Nintendo made profit on every single Wii.

[I OU a Beatn]

That worked for Nintendo because they went after casual players and families. That will not work for Microsoft and Sony simply because the majority of their customers fall into the "core" category in which graphics do actually matter.

I also don't see Microsoft being able to release a console for that price. If they do, though, they will all but assure outselling Sony in the next generation again because we all know that whatever Sony launches, it'll initially cost an arm and a leg. But as mentioned, that document is 2 or 3 years old, so chances are things have changed.

[SmoothPancakes]

So I finally got around to finishing reading all 56 pages in that document on the 720. If MS can pull off all that they talk about in that document and do everything they want to do, goddamn. The PS4 will have to give you a blowjob while you play for Sony to keep up with MS in the next-gen if MS pulls all that off.

[baseballplyrmvp]

literally or virtually?

[SmoothPancakes]

literally or virtually?

Why not both? :D

[AustinWolv]

Just a concept doc, not putting too much stock in it.

[CLW]

Would you pay $20K for the 720?

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/alleged-xbox-durango-development-system-sells-20k-ebay-180123079.html

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm guessing staged. Or some dumbass just dropped $20,000 for a "custom" PC tower shell and will be going through the hassle with ebay of buying a fake item.

[baseballplyrmvp]

I'm guessing staged. Or some dumbass just dropped $20,000 for a "custom" PC tower shell and will be going through the hassle with ebay of buying a fake item.

agreed. even if it was real, though, microsoft could file a whole shitload of charges against the dude who sold it.

[jaymo76]

I'm guessing staged. Or some dumbass just dropped $20,000 for a "custom" PC tower shell and will be going through the hassle with ebay of buying a fake item.

Agreed. How many people just have an extra 20k on them to buy a video game system?

[SmoothPancakes]

agreed. even if it was real, though, microsoft could file a whole shitload of charges against the dude who sold it.

That, and aren't those development systems still property of Microsoft? So if it was real, the guy who sold it was essentially selling stolen property, and the guy buying it was buying stolen property. I also fail to believe that any lawyer with a fucking brain (rare as they may be) would tell the guy "sure, go right ahead!" and find what that guy wanted to do to have absolutely no legal issues.


Agreed. How many people just have an extra 20k on them to buy a video game system?

Exactly. There are no games for it, so basically you're buying a bunch of hardware that has no more use than a paperweight. And even when the actual 720 comes out, there is no guarantee whatsoever that you'd ever be able to play 720 games on it, not if some dimensions, hardware, software, etc got changed from that to the official product.

[baseballplyrmvp]

That, and aren't those development systems still property of Microsoft? So if it was real, the guy who sold it was essentially selling stolen property, and the guy buying it was buying stolen property. I also fail to believe that any lawyer with a fucking brain (rare as they may be) would tell the guy "sure, go right ahead!" and find what that guy wanted to do to have absolutely no legal issues.

ya, you basically quoted the article there. :D i doubt this story is true...

[SmoothPancakes]

ya, you basically quoted the article there. :D i doubt this story is true...

Did I? :D I remembered the lawyer part of the story, but I couldn't remember anything else from the story after quickly reading through it earlier. I guess the story was still in my memory after all. :D

[CLW]

PS4 = 4K CNET Says "Who Cares?"

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57502241-221/4k-for-the-ps4-who-cares/

[gschwendt]

I agree about the "who cares". To me, graphics are nice enough as they are and I can't imagine 4k TVs will become terribly popular like 1080p did. Considering today's PCs don't really handle 4k video, I can't imagine a gaming console would CHEAPLY handle 4k. I'm not interested in buying another $500 console at launch... $400 is my ceiling and even then it would be hard to convince me unless the games themselves are impressive.

[CLW]

I agree about the "who cares". To me, graphics are nice enough as they are and I can't imagine 4k TVs will become terribly popular like 1080p did. Considering today's PCs don't really handle 4k video, I can't imagine a gaming console would CHEAPLY handle 4k. I'm not interested in buying another $500 console at launch... $400 is my ceiling and even then it would be hard to convince me unless the games themselves are impressive.

Yeah I think that article also links to a previous article that basically says to notice any difference from say 9 feet away (average distance between couch and main tv) you'd need to purchase like an 80-90" t.v.

LMAO and I thought my 59" t.v. was HUGE

[SCClassof93]

Yeah I think that article also links to a previous article that basically says to notice any difference from say 9 feet away (average distance between couch and main tv) you'd need to purchase like an 80-90" t.v.

LMAO and I thought my 59" t.v. was HUGE

Not to give you tv envy:D but gaming is awesome on the 73inch and here is the 92inch http://www.amazon.com/Mitsubishi-WD-92840-92-Inch-1080p-Projection/dp/B004ZL2O9U

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah I think that article also links to a previous article that basically says to notice any difference from say 9 feet away (average distance between couch and main tv) you'd need to purchase like an 80-90" t.v.

LMAO and I thought my 59" t.v. was HUGE

God bless America, where half this shit isn't even remotely useful in it's intended purpose, but people will still piss money down the drain because they'll view it as a must have status item to show off and brag about to their friends.

Just like all the Apple/iPhone people. Sitting there buying a brand new iPhone every 6 months or whenever when Apple releases one, simply because of the appearance and it being a status item. I still have the same phone I've had for 2 1/2 years. I got my first cell phone in 2004. I've had a grand total of 3 cell phones in my life. Granted, I'm gonna have to get a new cell phone in due time because the touchscreen on my current phone is going to shit.

I've been perfectly happy with the TV I've had since 2009, a rather simple and somewhat modest 38" HDTV with only 720p capabilities. I don't need all the fancy gadgets, the internet connected TV, the 1080p, the 50"+, etc. I never even got my 360 until just before 2009, when Xbox and PS2 support were starting to die and I had no choice.

I just don't understand some of it.

[CLW]

Not to give you tv envy:D but gaming is awesome on the 73inch and here is the 92inch http://www.amazon.com/Mitsubishi-WD-92840-92-Inch-1080p-Projection/dp/B004ZL2O9U

LMAO my wife actually will NOT allow gaming on the t.v. instead I'm gaming on my 27" monitor. :smh:

[baseballplyrmvp]

Just like all the Apple/iPhone people. Sitting there buying a brand new iPhone every 6 months or whenever when Apple releases one, simply because of the appearance and it being a status item. I still have the same phone I've had for 2 1/2 years. I got my first cell phone in 2004. I've had a grand total of 3 cell phones in my life. Granted, I'm gonna have to get a new cell phone in due time because the touchscreen on my current phone is going to shit.


i'm one of the few people in this country who still uses a flip phone. :blush:

[I OU a Beatn]

I always wanted one of those curved monitors that Alienware revealed a few years ago. That thing looked awesome.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/ZWRs0QsvTj4

[JeffHCross]

i'm one of the few people in this country who still uses a flip phone. :blush:LG Chocolate:
http://www.cell2get.com/images/1LgBl20.jpg

[baseballplyrmvp]

LG Chocolate:
http://www.cell2get.com/images/1LgBl20.jpg

still fancier than mine

http://gadgetdawg.com/Portals/16/motorola_v860-big.jpg

[JeffHCross]

Let's just say that the only reason I don't still have a flip phone is because I had broken my last three because part of the wiring in the flip broke.

[baseballplyrmvp]

random question for the 360 people here:

what does it mean when your 360 starts beeping on startup, when it starts loading the game? its like a single beep, occasionally it beeps twice. :confused:

[SmoothPancakes]

random question for the 360 people here:

what does it mean when your 360 starts beeping on startup, when it starts loading the game? its like a single beep, occasionally it beeps twice. :confused:

That, is a good question. My 360s (both my first 360 that had the disc drive go bad, and my new 360 Slim) have never once beeped, at any point. Something makes me want to believe that it's not good, but I'm definitely curious.

[cdj]

Complex Gaming: PS4 Development Kit Details Leaked, Specs for the New Console Are Intimidating (http://www.complex.com/video-games/2012/11/ps4-development-kit-details-leaked-specs-for-the-new-console-are-intimidating)

It looks like some of the details for the hardware and software specs for the PlayStation 4 have made their way online.

The PS4, codenamed Orbis, is expected to be officially announced in January and then debuted later in the year, most likely at E3 in June. Developer kits have been sent out and some of the details of the new system have been leaked. Here you go:

"The dev kits are based on AMD’s A10 APU (Accelerated Processing Unit), which combines both the CPU and GPU in a single unit.

Sources add that the PS4 will include the AMD Radeon HD 7670 video system, based on Turks XT architecture, featuring a 128-bit Bus and GDDR5 1GB of GDDR5 video memory. Each unit will come equipped with either 8GB or 16GB of system RAM, as well as Blu-ray and 256GB hard drives. Sony’s goal, say the anonymous sources, is to run games at 60 frames per second and 1080p resolution."

Solid information or total pile of crap? What do you guys think?

[JBHuskers]

I sure hope the hard drive is MUCH bigger than 250GB for retail.

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[I OU a Beatn]

Seems like kind of a weak card for a system that wont be releasing for at least another year.

[gschwendt]

I sure hope the hard drive is MUCH bigger than 250GB for retail.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Especially if they expect you to download full retail games. However, so long as you can use an off the shelf drive as a replacement, I won't mind since it will keep the initial cost down.

[I OU a Beatn]

Hope they don't pull a Microsoft and force you to buy their own branded hard drives while charging $150 for 320GB. :smh:

[morsdraconis]

Seems like kind of a weak card for a system that wont be releasing for at least another year.

It's most definitely a weak card. If that's what they plan to put "next gen" games on, I feel VERY bad for the PS4 crowd.

Based on the benchmarks ran at this link (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-17.html) using Skyrim at 1080p on medium settings they were barely getting 25 fps using various video cards in the same area as the purported video card setup that the PS4 plans to use.

That's pretty atrocious considering I can run that game at 40-60 fps in 1080p with no issues at all with everything turned all the way up (and I have a MUCH worse video card than what they plan to use and only 8 gigs of ram instead of 16 gigs).

Sounds like a REALLY poor cpu choice by them, unless something is DRASTICALLY optimized compared to it's current PC counterparts.

[CLW]

720 to include blue ray and kinect 2.0 and a port to record live t.v.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57551968/microsofts-xbox-720-may-include-kinect-2.0-and-blu-ray-drive-report-says/

[morsdraconis]

There's no freakin' way Micro$oft pays $ony the money needed to include a blue ray player in the 360-2. It's not happening. They'd lose money on the first two years, easily between the costs to pay for the rights and the cost of the console.

[souljahbill]

I remember reading a report long ago that the reason Microsoft supported HD-DVD was to prolong the adoption of Blu-Ray until they could perfect digital distribution. That's the direction Microsoft really wants to go to.

[SmoothPancakes]

There's no freakin' way Micro$oft pays $ony the money needed to include a blue ray player in the 360-2. It's not happening. They'd lose money on the first two years, easily between the costs to pay for the rights and the cost of the console.

I don't see how the hell they can't include blu ray in the 720. Blu-ray is around to stay, it's not going to disappear. Even if it is Sony's product, the 720 is going to be a failure from day 1 if it doesn't have blu-ray.

[gschwendt]

I don't see how the hell they can't include blu ray in the 720. Blu-ray is around to stay, it's not going to disappear. Even if it is Sony's product, the 720 is going to be a failure from day 1 if it doesn't have blu-ray.They could go the same route as WiiU and use a proprietary disc with similar capabilities of a Blu-Ray.

[morsdraconis]

As the distribution of games goes more and more towards digital, I see no need to worry about discs anymore. Hell, every game I played on my 360, I installed to the HD because it ran faster. Give me the whole disc on the HD and I'd be happy (not that I'm gonna buy a next gen console probably ever).

[psusnoop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGhkD22L7FQ&feature=g-high-u

Just to add to this discussion

[morsdraconis]

:smh:

If they are truly going to pay $ony for their blue ray patent, Micro$oft is more desperate than I thought they were.

[JBHuskers]

Not going to believe anything til it comes from the horse's mouth.

:deadhorse:

[CLW]

http://news.yahoo.com/playstation-4-xbox-720-could-cost-just-350-213041318.html

http://news.yahoo.com/playstation-4-could-unveiled-may-212228070.html

[JBHuskers]

http://news.yahoo.com/playstation-4-xbox-720-could-cost-just-350-213041318.html

http://news.yahoo.com/playstation-4-could-unveiled-may-212228070.html

:D

I just read somewhere March for PS4. No one really knows, but if $350 is the price, I can live with that.

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[JeffHCross]

March? No way, lol. Unless you meant March for an announcement. That would be possible.

[baseballplyrmvp]

no way that microsoft waits til e3 to show their new console. they wont share the spotlight with sony and nintendo on this. they'll get their own press conference on tv.

[SmoothPancakes]

I could definitely live with $350. It's a hell of a lot better than the $500, $600+ that there being rumored off and on over the past years. $350 is pretty well in line with what the upper end consoles (250GB on 360, etc) costs now.

[I OU a Beatn]

They'll both have their own conferences before E3. I'll personally be holding off until I see some games. I am less than thrilled with Microsoft's recent obsession with the casual crowd. They have what...one exclusive this year? I realize they're revealing new hardware, but when your competition has a God of War game coming out and perhaps the freshest looking game in a LONG time(The Last of Us), one exclusive doesn't really cut it.

On the other hand, I've been massively disappointed with Sony this generation. They had their heads up their asses for the vast majority of it and have tried to Call of Duty a bunch of their key franchises instead of giving fans what they want(ahem: SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, Resistance 2&3, etc...). Top that off with their horrific online service and you have a recipe for disaster. The absolutely ONLY thing that saved them was their reputation and their first party studios. If it weren't for Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, and Sony Santa Monica, I would've ditched Sony a long time ago. They better have a huge emphasis on online services, focus on the core gamer, and launch before or around the same time as Microsoft unless they want to continue bleeding money.

[CLW]

They'll both have their own conferences before E3. I'll personally be holding off until I see some games. I am less than thrilled with Microsoft's recent obsession with the casual crowd. They have what...one exclusive this year? I realize they're revealing new hardware, but when your competition has a God of War game coming out and perhaps the freshest looking game in a LONG time(The Last of Us), one exclusive doesn't really cut it.

On the other hand, I've been massively disappointed with Sony this generation. They had their heads up their asses for the vast majority of it and have tried to Call of Duty a bunch of their key franchises instead of giving fans what they want(ahem: SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, Resistance 2&3, etc...). Top that off with their horrific online service and you have a recipe for disaster. The absolutely ONLY thing that saved them was their reputation and their first party studios. If it weren't for Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, and Sony Santa Monica, I would've ditched Sony a long time ago. They better have a huge emphasis on online services, focus on the core gamer, and launch before or around the same time as Microsoft unless they want to continue bleeding money.

Look the games this year after say May are virtually NONEXISTENT on both consoles. It looks like all of the "major" titles (non-sports) are going to be released in the 1st half of this year. After that I imagine there will be a significant lull while everyone is working on the next next-gen.

[CLW]

Basically NOONE knows.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57564215-235/sony-exec-hints-at-playstation-4-launch-in-spring/

[JBHuskers]

March? No way, lol. Unless you meant March for an announcement. That would be possible.

You never know. Apple just drops shit out of the sky. I've heard that Sony and Microsoft are taking the same announcing approach. Holding their own conferences to announce, so it's feasible they end the conference with "hey get in line now".

[CLW]

You never know. Apple just drops shit out of the sky. I've heard that Sony and Microsoft are taking the same announcing approach. Holding their own conferences to announce, so it's feasible they end the conference with "hey get in line now".

I really doubt MS or Sony could manage to keep something like that secret without it leaking. They would have to notify retailers etc... and once it is out of the company its pretty much a guarantee to leak to the press/public.

[JBHuskers]

I really doubt MS or Sony could manage to keep something like that secret without it leaking. They would have to notify retailers etc... and once it is out of the company its pretty much a guarantee to leak to the press/public.

How does Apple keep it a secret then?

[CLW]

How does Apple keep it a secret then?

They don't. IShit info leaks all the time they even sued some guy who "took" some Apple employee's prototype Iphone who "left" it at a bar.

[JeffHCross]

unless they want to continue bleeding money.FWIW, they recently overtook the 360 in worldwide sales.

Also, while I agree that XBL is "better", I think calling PSN horrific is a severe embellishment.

[I OU a Beatn]

FWIW, they recently overtook the 360 in worldwide sales.

Also, while I agree that XBL is "better", I think calling PSN horrific is a severe embellishment.

They're still hemorrhaging money. Their TV/computers/other electronic products suck for the most part. They've been making a profit off the PS3 for 2 or 3 years now, but it's not going to be enough to cover what they've lost in their other departments. I'm not even going to mention the Vita. It kills me to think I forked over $500+ for games and a system that more than likely isn't even going to be supported after this year because of how terrible the sales have been.

They're just lucky they've had so much overseas success. The 360 has pretty well dominated the PS3 in America, which I'm actually looking to change with the next generation of consoles IF Sony is smart about pricing and they release their console before or around the same time as Microsoft. Microsoft has been, and I think will continue, investing heavily in the casual market. That's fine and dandy, but if you look at sales numbers of games like Uncharted, Gears of War, Call of Duty, Halo, etc...it's pretty clear the kind of games people want. I trust Sony a whole hell of a lot more to continue developing core games than I do Microsoft.

Sony screwed themselves the second they released a console a year later than their competition and then smacked it with a $600 price tag.

Anyway, it may not be horrific now, but all in all this generation, I'd definitely label it horrific. No access to messages or anything while playing a game for the first 18 months of the console's life. After it was added, it was slow to load in game...still is. No cross game chat. No party system. No cross game invites. Half the games don't support invites through the XMB at all. New store looks nice but is extremely slow. Got hacked. Downloads are slower than those on Live, and then I have to sit there and watch the stupid thing install(I hate this more than anything else PS3 related). Some of the game patches are just enormous where as there's a strict limit on Live(4MB, I believe).

Don't get me wrong, it's way better than it was. Plus is nice, but it's more or less just games rather than features. I'd much rather pay $50 a year for access to a party system and cross game chat than "free" games. But, they've been coming around slowly. The Vita has some of those features that I mentioned, although the party system is kind of half assed, so it's at least encouraging to see Sony realize where their priorities should be - online features and exclusive AAA games.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm not even going to mention the Vita. It kills me to think I forked over $500+ for games and a system that more than likely isn't even going to be supported after this year because of how terrible the sales have been.

That's why I never buy anything other than the main Xbox/PS systems, because god only know if those side systems will even sell and how long they'll get any support and plus it's extra cash you gotta fork over on top of the main console. Then the issues that the 360 experienced early on and stuff, that's why I never buy the new systems for at least a year after they come out. I wait a year or two, let newer or improved versions of the system come out, maybe see a price drop in there somewhere, and then jump to the new console. It was 2008 or 2009 before I even got a 360, sticking with the regular old Xbox and my PS2. It'll be the same here with the new consoles. It will be at least one or two years before I'll even consider upgrading from the 360. As long as they still put out games for the 360, I'll be fine with it still for the next couple years.

[JeffHCross]

First, "Ah, you meant Sony, not just the PS3. Got it."

Second, I still wouldn't call that horrific. Worse than XBL, sure. But nothing you listed personally bothers me. I guess that's why I think horrific was an overstatement. But it does make more sense now.

[CLW]

First, "Ah, you meant Sony, not just the PS3. Got it."

Second, I still wouldn't call that horrific. Worse than XBL, sure. But nothing you listed personally bothers me. I guess that's why I think horrific was an overstatement. But it does make more sense now.

Yeah I don't own a 360 and I've never really payed much attention to Live (the whole concept of paying for it turns me OFF) but I don't have any real complaints about PSN (other than the much publicized hacking issues)

[morsdraconis]

That's why I never buy anything other than the main Xbox/PS systems, because god only know if those side systems will even sell and how long they'll get any support and plus it's extra cash you gotta fork over on top of the main console. Then the issues that the 360 experienced early on and stuff, that's why I never buy the new systems for at least a year after they come out. I wait a year or two, let newer or improved versions of the system come out, maybe see a price drop in there somewhere, and then jump to the new console. It was 2008 or 2009 before I even got a 360, sticking with the regular old Xbox and my PS2. It'll be the same here with the new consoles. It will be at least one or two years before I'll even consider upgrading from the 360. As long as they still put out games for the 360, I'll be fine with it still for the next couple years.

I completely agree Smooth. It blows me away that people buy consoles when they first come out. I've NEVER bought a console day 1 and I never will. You're just asking for problems if you do considering how this generation's consoles have went.

[JBHuskers]

I completely agree Smooth. It blows me away that people buy consoles when they first come out. I've NEVER bought a console day 1 and I never will. You're just asking for problems if you do considering how this generation's consoles have went.

Yeah, with PS3, I think I waited til the 7th month or so. I think I'll get a PS4 much earlier. I didn't jump into the 360 game until around late 2008 I think.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/GUomkS2L80Q

[JBHuskers]

WTF :D

Our insurance company uses encryption software to not allow you to transfer files to an external. You're saying they don't have that stuff?

[I OU a Beatn]

First, "Ah, you meant Sony, not just the PS3. Got it."

Second, I still wouldn't call that horrific. Worse than XBL, sure. But nothing you listed personally bothers me. I guess that's why I think horrific was an overstatement. But it does make more sense now.

I guess I should say it's horrific for me. I buy most of my multiplatform games on the 360 just so I don't have to deal with the long updates and the lack of a party system. On the flip side, I much prefer the XMB to whatever you call the Xbox interface. I can't stand it to begin with, and it really bugs me when I boot it up and see ads on a service I'm paying $60 a year for.

[JeffHCross]

Well, I knew you were saying "for me" :D I guess I would just use "horrific" if it was a buggy, laggy, PoS system that made online play impossible. Like, feels-like-dial-up style (kind of like some games I've played, actually). For the online play itself, I find PSN and XBL to both be very servicable.

[I OU a Beatn]

Well, I knew you were saying "for me" :D I guess I would just use "horrific" if it was a buggy, laggy, PoS system that made online play impossible. Like, feels-like-dial-up style (kind of like some games I've played, actually). For the online play itself, I find PSN and XBL to both be very servicable.

I agree with that. Call of Duty on 360 vs Call of Duty on PS3 should produce pretty similar results. I'm more or less talking about features(party system + invite system) and how the two perform. I mainly just think the 360 is way quicker with a lot of the every day things, like downloads, installing games, and downloading game patches.

Truth be told, I have some pretty major annoyances with both of the systems. I'm just ready for this generation to die and for the next one to begin.

Latest rumors:

PS4 reportedly has 50% more raw power than 720, but half the RAM (http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/)

I've also read to expect massive leaks over the next several days, so it should be very entertaining to read the comments on fan boy infested sites like N4G.

[JeffHCross]

Damnit Sony, put enough RAM in the system to choke it. That's the biggest problem with the current generation, and you're going to make the same mistake again?

IOU: I agree, I guess it's just that none of those things really bother me. The only time the download speed actually has a negative effect on me is during System Updates. Any other time I really don't even pay attention. I'm normally doing background downloads of everything.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/Yjelyhpc57Y

[I OU a Beatn]

For the love of God, I just hope they fix the triggers. They are so bad.

In fact, Sony, just take a 360 controller, put your d-pad in it and call it a day.

[JeffHCross]

I prefer the Dual Shock in every way. Except for the triggers.

But if one of those rumors is true and we end up with Move balls on the top of the controller :fp:

[NatureBoy]

Sony’s PlayStation 4 To Feature Controller Similar To Nintendo’s Wii U GamePad?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA6QhBECMAA27dc.png:large

According to CVG sources, Sony may very well abandon the DualShock controller design with the release of the company’s inevitable next-generation home console, which will probably be called the PlayStation 4. Instead, Sony’s PlayStation 4 controller will supposedly include biometric sensors and an LCD touchscreen, not unlike Nintendo’s new Wii U GamePad. Similar to how the Wii U console is compatible with Wii Remote controllers, gamers may be able to interact with Sony’s forthcoming home console via DualShock controllers.

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/01/18/sonys-playstation-4-to-feature-controller-similar-to-nintendos-wii-u-gamepad

[I OU a Beatn]

HELL NO! I'm pretty sure Sony is smart enough not to do that, or if they do, make it optional and make sure all games fully function with a dualshock.


I prefer the Dual Shock in every way. Except for the triggers.

But if one of those rumors is true and we end up with Move balls on the top of the controller :fp:

Depends on the game for me. For shooters, I love everything about the 360 controller and hate virtually everything about the PS3 controller. For sports, it's the exact opposite.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Sony did have a Move ball on the top of a controller, but like the possible tablet controller, I'd imagine it would be optional. I seriously can't see Sony abandoning the dualshock design regardless of the rumors.

[CLW]

For the love of God, I just hope they fix the triggers. They are so bad.

In fact, Sony, just take a 360 controller, put your d-pad in it and call it a day.

I HATE the 360 controller (it's the reason I have NEVER considered buying an X-Box; 360 and prob 720). In fact I HATE it soo..... much I would give up on console video gaming if/when Sony decided to make a controller like that.

[SmoothPancakes]

I HATE the 360 controller (it's the reason I have NEVER considered buying an X-Box; 360 and prob 720). In fact I HATE it soo..... much I would give up on console video gaming if/when Sony decided to make a controller like that.

How come you hate it so much? It's a much more natural controller to hold for me. I never could get used to Sony's controllers. Xbox (from original through 360), the controller feels so normal and natural for my grip.

[baseballplyrmvp]

How come you hate it so much? It's a much more natural controller to hold for me. I never could get used to Sony's controllers. Xbox (from original through 360), the controller feels so normal and natural for my grip.

:+1:

i find comfort in knowing that i can throw my 360 controller at the floor as hard as i can, and nothing will break on me.

[oweb26]

I can't get behind the Playstation controller either, I can do games like RPG's, actions games with it, but shooters and sports games I cant get use to it at all. It just feels so close together and I almost always press the triggers at the same time.

[I OU a Beatn]

I think a lot of the people that hate the 360 controller just haven't used it as much. I didn't like it at first, but it really grew on me to the point that I prefer it over Sony's offering. However, I don't like the d-pad, even with the transforming d-pad. It's better, but still not nearly as good as Sony's. Also, the analog sticks' range of motion is fucked. I bought some Kontrol Freeks which solved my problem. I don't like having to fork over extra money to fix something that doesn't, IMO, work correctly, but at least it's more comfortable.

With the Dualshock, it's too small. It's also cheaply made compared to the 360 controller. I don't throw them, but I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable throwing a 360 controller than I would a Dualshock. I'm 99% sure the Dualshock would shatter upon impact, especially the triggers. Speaking of which, really hate the triggers. They're terrible. I bought "Real Triggers" which are amazing, but again, I don't feel as though I should have to fork over extra money to correct a screw up.

I've used both so long that I'm comfortable using either one and can adjust instantly. But, as everyone above me said, the 360 controller just feels more naturally designed for your hands.

[morsdraconis]

I've used both a LOT and I prefer the PS controller. It's FAR more natural to have both sticks on the bottom of the controller and I prefer the triggers to the stupid shit that the Xbox controllers have.

That said, the controller I use for my PC is an Xbox controller just because it's easier to deal with because of dumb ass Windows.

[JeffHCross]

DS fits my hands perfectly. But they're on the smaller side. That may be why I prefer it

[I OU a Beatn]

I've used both a LOT and I prefer the PS controller. It's FAR more natural to have both sticks on the bottom of the controller and I prefer the triggers to the stupid shit that the Xbox controllers have.

That said, the controller I use for my PC is an Xbox controller just because it's easier to deal with because of dumb ass Windows.

You are literally the only person in the world that likes the triggers on the PS3 controller. :D

[jaymo76]

Being a "south paw" I really struggled with the 360 controller. Personally I love the ps3 dual shock because it's the best case scenario for a lefty IMO.

[morsdraconis]

You are literally the only person in the world that likes the triggers on the PS3 controller. :D

I don't understand why people don't like them? Are the PS3 ones drastically different from the PS2 controllers or something?

[I OU a Beatn]

I don't remember if they're vastly different from the PS2 controller, but I just hate them because it's next to impossible to keep your fingers on them. When you push them in, they're so convex that your fingers just want to slip right off. I have Real Triggers on mine and it's just night and day.

There's a reason why virtually every single game on PS3 has aim and shoot assigned to L1 and R1 while virtually every shooter on 360 has those operations on the triggers. I still use R1 and L1 even with the Real Triggers, but that's just out of habit.

They're also kind of mushy when pressed.

[morsdraconis]

I definitely don't see why that's a big deal. I LOVE the R and L buttons on the PS2/3 because they enable me to hit them MUCH faster than I can pull the stupid trigger on the Xbox controller. I can, easily, hit R2 or L2 two or three times as fast as I can pull the right or left trigger.

[Rudy]

The image of the PS4 controller (just a Wii U one photoshopped) wouldn't be that bad. The Wii U controller is actually pretty nice. I'm very used to it although I haven't tried any sports games on it. If Madden 14 is just as good as the PS3 game I would strongly consider it for touch screen play calling and hot routes. As an offline gamer I would have no real issues other than sharing the console with my kids.

[I OU a Beatn]

When you have to tap them multiple times in a quick period of time or have to hold them in, your finger WILL slip. That's why it's such a poor design. They need to be concave instead of convex like the current design.

I wish I could find one of my old PS2 controllers to see if they were the same way. I'm pretty sure they were different.

[JeffHCross]

I don't recall them being significantly different. I do agree though, I've had my fingers slip more than once.

[morsdraconis]

I'm not sure what the hell you guys are doing that I do differently, but I've NEVER had that problem.

[Rudy]

I wish I could find one of my old PS2 controllers to see if they were the same way. I'm pretty sure they were different.

PS2 controllers never had triggers guys iirc. The shoulder buttons were identical from what I remember - just two sets of them. This gen was the first to distinguish between the two sets of shoulder buttons.

I've never had a problem with the PS3 controller and have always preferred it to the XBox controller my brother has although having been a PS1, PS2 and PS3 guy the continuity is a big factor. I'm also not a big shooter guy. The only shooter type of games I have played are the Uncharted series.

[JeffHCross]

PS2 controllers never had triggers guys iirc. The shoulder buttons were identical from what I remember - just two sets of them. This gen was the first to distinguish between the two sets of shoulder buttons.That's what my memory is too, but then I Googled Dual Shock 2 and got a bunch of results that looked halfway between a shoulder button and trigger.

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm not sure what the hell you guys are doing that I do differently, but I've NEVER had that problem.

Ha, I have no idea, but I've had the hatred towards the triggers since I very first tried them. Bought the Real Triggers a few years ago and never looked back. Even trying it out now without the Real Triggers makes me cringe.

The 360 controller doesn't have that problem because it's concave BUT they also have a much more solid feeling when pushed in. I think the triggers on the DS3 are too mushy on top of being convex. I just really don't like it. Like I said, though, a little $3 attachment completely fixes both issues I have with the triggers.

http://imageshack.us/a/img64/6827/img4496y.jpg

I know they look kind of weird, but they make a massive difference.

[gschwendt]

I have those trigger attachments as well and really like them.

[JBHuskers]

I have those trigger attachments as well and really like them.

Ditto. Love em.

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[morsdraconis]

Do you guys not use your middle fingers for those triggers? I'm just failing to understand why you need something that looks so god awful on a controller and why the majority of people hate the controller for some reason.

[JBHuskers]

Do you guys not use your middle fingers for those triggers? I'm just failing to understand why you need something that looks so god awful on a controller and why the majority of people hate the controller for some reason.

Nope, use my index fingers.

[I OU a Beatn]

Nope, use my index fingers.

Same. I think they suck with the index or the middle finger. There's just really no excuse for having a convex shape on the trigger. I don't hate the controller, just the triggers. :D

[JeffHCross]

I don't hate the triggers by any means (nor do I think any majority feels that strongly) but I've had my fingers slip a few times so I know what the problem is. I think it is caused by hitting low enough on the trigger (in an effort to be fast) that you don't get the grip you need. I've had my fingers slip on the r-stick while kicking, but I still prefer it to the 360.

[GatorfanStovy]

Has any one heard about Sony rumor of going with a touch pad deal like the Wii U has for ps4?Read on another site they might go that rout. That would suck for a ps.

[JeffHCross]

Look on the previous page, Gator, it was mentioned there. We digressed into talking about triggers.

[GatorfanStovy]

Oh ok my bad. I wasn't sure if it was or was not.

[I OU a Beatn]

Triggers, triggers, triggers.

Seriously though, I'd be pretty surprised if we saw a touch screen type thing for Sony. Why? Well first of all, out of all 3 major hardware companies, Sony is the one that's most interested in core games. Those types of games are best played with a regular controller, so I really can't see Sony abandoning it. Secondly, I'm pretty sure Vita/PS4 integration is going to be a huge play for Sony come next generation, and introducing a touch screen type of device would only hurt that plan. I do think we'll see a lot more experiences where you use your Vita as the controller, though. As they said when Nintendo was touting the Wii U controller, it's nothing the Vita couldn't potentially do.

[JeffHCross]

Oh ok my bad. I wasn't sure if it was or was not.No, no bad at all. You might help get us back on topic :D

[Rudy]

Seriously though, I'd be pretty surprised if we saw a touch screen type thing for Sony. Why? Well first of all, out of all 3 major hardware companies, Sony is the one that's most interested in core games. Those types of games are best played with a regular controller, so I really can't see Sony abandoning it. Secondly, I'm pretty sure Vita/PS4 integration is going to be a huge play for Sony come next generation, and introducing a touch screen type of device would only hurt that plan. I do think we'll see a lot more experiences where you use your Vita as the controller, though. As they said when Nintendo was touting the Wii U controller, it's nothing the Vita couldn't potentially do.

I disagree. How would adding a touch screen hurt anything? The Wii U controller is also a dedicated gaming controller. It has a d-pad, two analog sticks, four face buttons, two shoulders and two triggers. The placement of the buttons under the r-stick is different but it has every button combination of a dual shock plus a touch screen. I really do think that is the future of controllers. A lot of potential there.

The Vita cross play is not really a good option because the Vita isn't owned by a lot of people. Add ons never work that great. If they packaged a Vita AS the controller on the next gen system that could be a really cool idea but without that I don't see it. Having played my nephews Vita I don't care that much for those analog sticks either. It's a decent idea but I think they would have to redesign the Vita a little to make it happen.

[I OU a Beatn]

I just don't see it catching on with the core crowd. I'd gamble to say that shooters are by far the most popular genre of games, and while I haven't tried the Wii U(never will...if it has Nintendo on it, I want nothing to do with it), it APPEARS to me that it would be a pain to use with shooters because the size of the thing would reduce the speed in which you can access all of the functions. The same problem exists with the Vita. Because everything is so spaced out because of the screen(and because of how flat the damn thing is), it's impossible to reach everything as quickly.

IF they could manage to find a way to keep the shape of the 360/PS3 controller and stick a smaller touch screen in, then I would be fine with that and I think that would catch on. However, I don't see that giant thing the Wii U uses ever being the go to controller type for Microsoft or Sony.

But yeah, the Vita's sticks are horrible. You'll get no argument from me there.

[JBHuskers]

I just must be the only one who doesn't have a problem with either Sony or MS's controllers :D

[morsdraconis]

Nah, JB, I don't mind either, I just fail to see the hate for the PS3 ones that some people have.

[JBHuskers]

Nah, JB, I don't mind either, I just fail to see the hate for the PS3 ones that some people have.

Yeah the only thing I hate is the flashing cycle of lights on the 360 when the battery is half full. Wish there was an option to turn that off that doesn't involve duct tape.

[gschwendt]

Dev Kit specs for PS4
http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-playstation-4-has-a-new-controller-fancy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far



System Memory: 8GB
Video Memory: 2.2 GB
CPU: 4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" (so, 8x cores)
GPU: AMD R10xx
Ports: 4x USB 3.0, 2x Ethernet
Drive: Blu-Ray
HDD: 160GB
Audio Output: HDMI & Optical, 2.0, 5.1 & 7.1 channels

[CLW]

Dev Kit specs for PS4
http://kotaku.com/5977849/the-playstation-4-has-a-new-controller-fancy-user-accounts-and-impressive-specs-so-far



System Memory: 8GB
Video Memory: 2.2 GB
CPU: 4x Dual-Core AMD64 "Bulldozer" (so, 8x cores)
GPU: AMD R10xx
Ports: 4x USB 3.0, 2x Ethernet
Drive: Blu-Ray
HDD: 160GB
Audio Output: HDMI & Optical, 2.0, 5.1 & 7.1 channels



Crossing my fingers that the HDD is the same size so I can just pop in pop out the 1TB "upgrade" I made to my PS3.

[JBHuskers]

Crossing my fingers that the HDD is the same size so I can just pop in pop out the 1TB "upgrade" I made to my PS3.

:nod:

But dev kits and retail kits are two completely different monsters.

I would guess the minimum retail kit will be 500GB.

[I OU a Beatn]

Now it supposedly has 8GB of RAM? Something new is leaked every day and it's somehow different than the day before. :D

I'll just save myself the trouble - barring any unforeseen massive fuck ups, I'll have both of them within the first 2 or so years of them launching.

[CLW]

:nod:

But dev kits and retail kits are two completely different monsters.

I would guess the minimum retail kit will be 500GB.

That's true. Are you "privileged" people allowed to discuss at all whether/to what extent EA has started working on the next next-gen? I would presume they have the dev kits from both MS and Sony but just curious how much they have already started to transition.

[JBHuskers]

That's true. Are you "privileged" people allowed to discuss at all whether/to what extent EA has started working on the next next-gen? I would presume they have the dev kits from both MS and Sony but just curious how much they have already started to transition.

Pretty sure they have kits, but I haven't heard a single word. Probably very hush hush.

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[gschwendt]

PS4 announcement February 20th?
https://us.playstation.com/meeting2013/

[NatureBoy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d-3GMHIgR-U

Teaser for the PS4 announcement?

[I OU a Beatn]

Probably. Looks like we'll only have to wait a few more weeks.

[souljahbill]

PS4 announcement February 20th?
https://us.playstation.com/meeting2013/

PS4 announcement for my birthday, you say?
(Not that I'd get one at launch anyway.....)

[CLW]

Probably. Looks like we'll only have to wait a few more weeks.

or its the teaser for the teaser for the teaser for PS4. as a Sony "guy" I really hope they beat MS to the punch this time b/c it really hurt this generation being beaten to the market by nearly a year.

[NatureBoy]

Sorry, I just realized I put this in the wrong thread. Feel free to delete it if necessary.

[baseballplyrmvp]

or its the teaser for the teaser for the teaser for PS4. as a Sony "guy" I really hope they beat MS to the punch this time b/c it really hurt this generation being beaten to the market by nearly a year.

not to mention that the ps3 was like $200 more expensive than the 360.

[CLW]

not to mention that the ps3 was like $200 more expensive than the 360.

yeah that didn't help either although the consumers who paid that much won out in the end as you ended up winning the blue ray v. hd dvd "battle"

[NatureBoy]

What's this? A Sony invite to "see the future" of PlayStation on February 20th in New York City? From the looks of the very tease-y clip Sony's released (found just beyond the break), it's clearly PlayStation related. Perhaps involving a certain codenamed "Orbis" project? The company's official PlayStation Twitter account says "See the future" and pushes followers to this website, where invitees can sign up and everyone can see the aforementioned video.

We'll find out soon enough what the tease is about, as we've just finished up registration. From the video ... well, the future features the same triangle, circle, square, and cross buttons, apparently. A recent report detailed some specs for Sony's rumored next PlayStation, including an eight core AMD64 CPU and an AMD R10XX GPU -- specs that may change dramatically before we hear anything official. Could this be the first volley in Sony's rollout of the next PlayStation?

The evidence points in that direction, but it's unclear how much we'll find out on the evening of the 20th. One Sony VP said we could hear something about "a big secret" ahead of this June's E3 game industry trade show, but Sony head Kaz Hirai recently told UK newspaper The Times that Sony may just wait for its competition -- namely Microsoft -- to make the first move. Again, we'll know much more when we attend Sony's 6PM ET event on February 20th in New York City.

Update: The Wall Street Journal has added more rumors to the mix, citing its always helpful "people familiar with the matter" who claim that not only will Sony debut its next gen console at the event, but that it will be released later this year. Additionally, it claims that Sony will integrate more social features into the console this time around (Home 2.0 anyone?), as well as changes in "how users interact with the machine." Finally, it claims both Sony and Microsoft had considered discless consoles this gen, but are keeping physical media in the mix for at least one more go-round. Of course, whatever the truth is, we're just a few weeks away from finding out.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/31/sony-nyc-february-20-playstation/

[gschwendt]

More info about the PS4, some of which I hadn't heard before...
http://www.edge-online.com/news/playstation-4-revealed/

The controller

Sources close to the hardware have revealed to us that PS4 will ship with a redesigned controller which is the same size as an existing DualShock but features a small touchpad in place of the existing Select, Start and PS buttons. The tech is based on Vita’s rear touchpad, and is similarly responsive in use.

A new Share button on the controller will, when pressed, launch a new feature that will allow screenshots and video to be distributed online. The PS4 hardware will continually record the most recent 15 minutes of onscreen action (with no processing penalty, claims our source), which users will then be able to edit and broadcast via the Internet.

[NatureBoy]

Report: The Next PlayStation Will Record Gameplay And Let You Share It Online

In the wake of news that Sony will announce the next PlayStation on February 20, rumors and reports are starting to circulate as journalists report everything they've learned about the PlayStation 4, code-named Orbis.

Here's an interesting report from Edge, who say they've learned the PS4 will be out later this year for the U.S. and Japan (and in early 2014 for Europe). They also say the PS4's controller comes with a touchpad where the start and select buttons should be, and that there's a new "Share" button, which will let you share screenshots and videos online.

This matches up with much of what we reported last week ago about the PS4. We knew there would be a Share button, but we didn't know what it would do. This new report helps shed some light on that.

According to Edge, the PS4 will inherently record and save "the most recent 15 minutes of onscreen action," which you can then edit and share using the console's sharing function. Edge also says Orbis will be more powerful than Microsoft's next console, codenamed Durango, at least on paper.

http://kotaku.com/5980841/report-the-next-playstation-will-record-gameplay-and-let-you-share-it-online

[CLW]

Mostly rehash above but apparently PS4 may NOT be backwards compatible.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/sony-unveil-playstation-4-month-180041980.html

[gschwendt]

Mostly rehash above but apparently PS4 may NOT be backwards compatible.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/sony-unveil-playstation-4-month-180041980.html

I highly anticipate that it won't be backwards compatible simply because the PS3 uses the cell processor and PS4 won't. As much as they struggled with getting ps2 compatibility, they won't likely get there for PS3.

[I OU a Beatn]

Not surprising, I'd say it's a given it wont be backwards compatible. They're using a completely different architecture this time around. I'll never understand why they went with the cell for the PS3. The only thing it did was cause them to bleed money and lead to the 360 getting much better multiplatform games.

[morsdraconis]

I'd find it highly surprising if either console is backwards compatible. It's just not that big of a worry for consoles anymore.

[CLW]

More baseless speculation:


http://youtu.be/rHWNx4RApZA

[Rudy]

I'd find it highly surprising if either console is backwards compatible. It's just not that big of a worry for consoles anymore.

I disagree. I think it's a bigger problem than in the past.

1) It saves converts a lot of money if we can trade in our old console towards it knowing we can still play all of our old games on it. Without it you have to keep both consoles plugged in your TV and save no money. I expect these consoles to get off to sluggish starts so the PS3 and 360 will still have a long life yet.

2) These new games aren't going to be much better. Not having backwards compatible never bothered me from the PS1 to the PS2 because the graphical improvements were so crazy and most games were so much better you never wanted to look back. But this will be the smallest improvement in graphics we have ever seen. I also see very few hardware limitations on the current systems that prevent the games from being better. EA's football games aren't going to be better on the PS4 unless they get better programmers. 95% of the problems with the current games are AI related due to poor design and programming. I think many people will want the option of playing their older games which may be better than the new games if this gen is any indication.

[gschwendt]

EA's football games aren't going to be better on the PS4 unless they get better programmers. 95% of the problems with the current games are AI related due to poor design and programming. I think many people will want the option of playing their older games which may be better than the new games if this gen is any indication.
While that's mostly true, there are hardware limitations that prevent them from taking them to the next level... as is now, they essentially have to spend every year trying to squeeze out an extra KB of disc space or save RAM here & there, etc. With these new consoles, I'm sure they would eventually max out the limitations but it probably wouldn't be until the 3rd or 4th release.

At the very least, a new console would make menu navigation much better on the PS3 side... the major hold-back is the RAM, that's why it's a pain in the ass to recruit on the console.

[Rudy]

While that's mostly true, there are hardware limitations that prevent them from taking them to the next level... as is now, they essentially have to spend every year trying to squeeze out an extra KB of disc space or save RAM here & there, etc. With these new consoles, I'm sure they would eventually max out the limitations but it probably wouldn't be until the 3rd or 4th release.

At the very least, a new console would make menu navigation much better on the PS3 side... the major hold-back is the RAM, that's why it's a pain in the ass to recruit on the console.

I can understand some of those limitations like replay length but I don't excuse terrible cpu QB AI or game management as limitations of hardware. That's just bad programming.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/KBR4YZgTmFA

[JeffHCross]

I can understand some of those limitations like replay length but I don't excuse terrible cpu QB AI or game management as limitations of hardware. That's just bad programming.AI abilities can be heavily, heavily influenced by the hardware too. There's really no way to know which is the cause.

[CLW]

http://youtu.be/Ha0HovigVhI