NCAA Football 12 Patch #2 Now Available

[gschwendt]

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Users have begun confirming that the second patch for NCAA Football 12 is now available, at least on the Playstation 3 side of things. Xbox 360 players should expect to receive the patch sometime tomorrow morning after Microsoft updates. The updated patch notes have been released by EA in a new blog (http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/title-update-2-details). Below are the details of what is included in the patch.




Hey Everyone, Ben Haumiller here with the announcement that Title Update #2 is available now on the PS3 and will be available tomorrow (early morning), September 9thfor Xbox 360. I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for the update to arrive, and we appreciate your patience.Here’s a refresher on what was already announced as being included in title update #2 as well a couple of additional notes based on updated information since the last blog:

Custom Playbooks
As previously noted, the missing play issue has been fixed. At the time of the last blog it was believed that all existing playbooks would be automatically fixed by this update, but we’ve learned that there are a small percentage of playbooks that are beyond repair and will need to be deleted. If you’ve never experienced a problem with your Custom Playbook feel free to continue using it as normal, but if you have had an issue prior to Title Update #2 try the playbook again. Before using the previously existing playbook you will need to first resave the playbook, once you do that you will be able to take it in-game. If everything works great, then your playbook problems are solved. If not you will need to delete that playbook and create a new one.
One other note about previously existing custom playbooks, once you resave the playbook the audibles will be reset to default. You will need to reset your custom audibles in order to use them in-game.

Tendencies
The fix to the issue where a player’s tendency changed when that player was edited still does not negate any previously edited roster file. The fix will be applied to both those existing files, as well as any new roster file that is created.
If you are in a Dynasty or Online Dynasty you will not need to restart as long as your Dynasty is still in year one and you have not advanced past “Training Results” in the off-season. If you are before this point, the update will be applied to your existing Dynasty/Online Dynasty and the tendencies will be correct for all players going forward. If you are in year two and beyond, the tendency issue impact will be less and less as the players graduate/are cut from the rosters.
In addition to the tendencies issue, we have also included both the ability to edit height and weight for players, as well as the option to edit the rosters of CPU controlled teams. In an Online Dynasty the commissioner will have the ability to edit the rosters for other human controlled teams. These were both big requests from you in the community.
Finally, a bug was fixed with the profanity filter that was preventing many common names from being entered. Now, any name can be entered, for offline use. A profanity filter is applied to Online Dynasty when the Dynasty is created. If you prefer to opt out of this filter, you can set the Dynasty to Private and the profanity check will not run.

Freezes/Crashes
A major focus for this Title Update was to address any freezes/crashes that were found. There were a number of these issues fixed in this Title Update including a crash that occurred when there were multiple TeamBuilder teams in an Online Dynasty, as well as a crash that occurred during the downloading of an Online Dynasty file. Also an issue was fixed where a roster file could become corrupt, causing a crash at the Press Start screen.

Gameplay
-Increased the acceleration of QB’s on Speed Option plays.
-Improved WR blocking, especially on option plays
-Fixed an issue where defenders assigned to play the curl to flat/buzz zone did not engage immediately when the QB scrambles past the LOS.
-Fixed an issue where safeties with inside deep ¼ zone would drop back instead of read-and-react on run plays.
-Fixed an issue in Nickel Cover 3 where the flat zone defender didn’t move as the QB was running at them.
-Fixed an issue with Double Outs from 4-2-5 Normal where the RLB wasn’t blocked properly vs. certain formations.
-Improved the QB’s decision making on where to run after keeping the ball on a Read Option play.

Highlights
-Fixed an issue that caused a blank photo to be uploaded leading to issues with other highlights being uploaded.

Dynasty
-Fixed an issue in Online Dynasty where injured players did not remain injured when the week advanced.
-Fixed an issue where a player’s injury time was only reduced by one week when going from Conference Championship week to Bowl Season. Players will now be back for their Bowl game if they should be off of the IR when their bowl game is played.
-Fixed an issue where coaches that changed jobs could get stuck in a state where they were still listed as coaching at their old school on the Players Leaving screen, leading to a Transfer Failed issue.
-Fixed an issue that occasionally prevented Dynasties from advancing past week 15.
-Fixed an issue with the schedule that prevented entering the Virginia Tech vs. Boston College game (fixed for both Dynasty and RTG).
-Fixed an issue where recruiting related trophies/achievements were not unlocked properly if you signed an extension in that season.
-Fixed an issue with Program Stability where the grade would drop from A+ to D+ in one season.
-Fixed an issue with the Unlock All Promises PDLC not unlocking properly on the Dynasty website.
-When viewing an Online Dynasty invite, added information to show what type of job can be selected by default.
-Fixed an issue when in the off-season where player stats did not match up between the web and console.
-Fixed an issue when recruiting from the web where an incorrect error pop-up would come up claiming that you were currently recruiting on the console.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences which removed the limit to the number of swaps that could be made.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences which caused an unbalanced number of conference games among conference members.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences where the conference schedule would not be generated properly if a TeamBuilder team was used in a conference with protected rivals.

RTG
-Fixed an issue where CB’s could not audible after earning the ability to do so through Coach Trust.
-Fixed an issue where HB’s could not flip the play after earning the ability to do so through Coach Trust.

Online
-Fixed an issue where player’s online stats were not displaying promptly on the Online Leaderboards.

Thank you again for your patience for the arrival of this second Title Update. I trust you will find that it has been well worth the wait.

[JBHuskers]

:up:

[AustinWolv]

Looking forward to seeing what happens! Hope it is on 360 ASAP.

[Deuce]

I see they didn't fix the issue of my crappy passing game! ;)


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[DariusLock]

Downloading now.

[gschwendt]

Very first impressions...

Before you can use an existing custom playbook, you have to first go in and re-save it as a different name (presumably you can save it, delete your old one, then rename your new copy)
The couple of Wildcat formations that were available before (Wildcat, & Wildcat Spread) are no longer available
Several formations are duplicated with different names... Bulldog Heavy (Gator Heavy), & Pistol Diamond (Pistol Full House) are a couple of examples
I think there are a couple of other formations that weren't there before but again, I think they're all just duplicates of existing ones
Testing further now.

[gschwendt]

I can confirm that No Huddle is indeed messed up as some others have indicated.

When no huddling, instead of going back to the formation I was just in, it goes to the first formation listed in my Shotgun set, Shotgun Bunch HB Str. It does list the original formation at the top but cycling through, it lists all of the correct formation names but all plays are still from the Shotgun Bunch HB Str formation. :fp:

As well, my old playbook was based off of Louisville and included the Wild Card formation... when I resaved it, that formation is no longer there in this playbook. I haven't tested creating a playbook with Louisville from scratch to see if it will include the Wild Card but it's certainly an issue with existing playbooks. It did however include my unique goalline, Goalline - Jumbo.

[jwallace0317]

Sad to hear that my current custom pb (with has not been infected with the empty play glitch) will now be screwed up when I go no-huddle.

"The community asked for it, and so we are delivering a great new feature to NCAA 13. Glitch-free custom playbooks! And, even better, we will implement 3 patches to fix any glitches that may arise when using the new glitch-free custom playbooks!"

--text copied and pasted from material prepared in advance for the NCAA 13 blog.

[gschwendt]

Sad to hear that my current custom pb (with has not been infected with the empty play glitch) will now be screwed up when I go no-huddle."The community asked for it, and so we are delivering a great new feature to NCAA 13. Glitch-free custom playbooks! And, even better, we will implement 3 patches to fix any glitches that may arise when using the new glitch-free custom playbooks!"--text copied and pasted from material prepared in advance for the NCAA 13 blog.I don't think it has anything to do with Custom Playbooks at all... I think it's all playbooks. I was experiencing the same issue on defense with the default 4-2-5 playbook when my CPU opponent was running no huddle... I could only call plays from the first formation listed in that formation type.

It does come down to the first formation listed in each type... I called another no huddle, and I could call from Pistol - Y-Trips (first of my two Pistol formations) or Shotgun - Bunch HB Str (first of my many shotgun formations).

[jwallace0317]

I don't think it has anything to do with Custom Playbooks at all... I think it's all playbooks.

Yikes. :(

[DariusLock]

Yeah, it caught me off guard when it first happened. EA has delivered a game with MANY MANY flaws imho, they need to hurry up and get all this fixed.

[rhombic21]

LOL, it's like they're just trying to see how far they can push things now. 2 months for a patch that really has very limited content, and they still manage to mess something else up in the process of trying to fix what was broken before.

So when does Patch 3 come out? January?

[jwallace0317]

I'm usually of the mindset that it's useless and unproductive to expect EA to do a big mea culpa for the various fuckups in the game from year to year, but this ridiculous. After two patches we have a game which has a core gameplay component that is broken, and it's something that could have been detected with about 5 minutes of effort. A serious "we fucked up and here's what we'll do to make it right" blog post is in order. Yeah....I know. lol

[gschwendt]

360 patch should be available tomorrow morning. Also, here are the full patch notes
http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/title-update-2-details
(http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/title-update-2-details)
​Hey Everyone, Ben Haumiller here with the announcement that Title Update #2 is available now on the PS3 and will be available tomorrow (early morning), September 9thfor Xbox 360. I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for the update to arrive, and we appreciate your patience.Here’s a refresher on what was already announced as being included in title update #2 as well a couple of additional notes based on updated information since the last blog:

Custom Playbooks
As previously noted, the missing play issue has been fixed. At the time of the last blog it was believed that all existing playbooks would be automatically fixed by this update, but we’ve learned that there are a small percentage of playbooks that are beyond repair and will need to be deleted. If you’ve never experienced a problem with your Custom Playbook feel free to continue using it as normal, but if you have had an issue prior to Title Update #2 try the playbook again. Before using the previously existing playbook you will need to first resave the playbook, once you do that you will be able to take it in-game. If everything works great, then your playbook problems are solved. If not you will need to delete that playbook and create a new one.
One other note about previously existing custom playbooks, once you resave the playbook the audibles will be reset to default. You will need to reset your custom audibles in order to use them in-game.

Tendencies
The fix to the issue where a player’s tendency changed when that player was edited still does not negate any previously edited roster file. The fix will be applied to both those existing files, as well as any new roster file that is created.
If you are in a Dynasty or Online Dynasty you will not need to restart as long as your Dynasty is still in year one and you have not advanced past “Training Results” in the off-season. If you are before this point, the update will be applied to your existing Dynasty/Online Dynasty and the tendencies will be correct for all players going forward. If you are in year two and beyond, the tendency issue impact will be less and less as the players graduate/are cut from the rosters.
In addition to the tendencies issue, we have also included both the ability to edit height and weight for players, as well as the option to edit the rosters of CPU controlled teams. In an Online Dynasty the commissioner will have the ability to edit the rosters for other human controlled teams. These were both big requests from you in the community.
Finally, a bug was fixed with the profanity filter that was preventing many common names from being entered. Now, any name can be entered, for offline use. A profanity filter is applied to Online Dynasty when the Dynasty is created. If you prefer to opt out of this filter, you can set the Dynasty to Private and the profanity check will not run.

Freezes/Crashes
A major focus for this Title Update was to address any freezes/crashes that were found. There were a number of these issues fixed in this Title Update including a crash that occurred when there were multiple TeamBuilder teams in an Online Dynasty, as well as a crash that occurred during the downloading of an Online Dynasty file. Also an issue was fixed where a roster file could become corrupt, causing a crash at the Press Start screen.

Gameplay
-Increased the acceleration of QB’s on Speed Option plays.
-Improved WR blocking, especially on option plays
-Fixed an issue where defenders assigned to play the curl to flat/buzz zone did not engage immediately when the QB scrambles past the LOS.
-Fixed an issue where safeties with inside deep ¼ zone would drop back instead of read-and-react on run plays.
-Fixed an issue in Nickel Cover 3 where the flat zone defender didn’t move as the QB was running at them.
-Fixed an issue with Double Outs from 4-2-5 Normal where the RLB wasn’t blocked properly vs. certain formations.
-Improved the QB’s decision making on where to run after keeping the ball on a Read Option play.

Highlights
-Fixed an issue that caused a blank photo to be uploaded leading to issues with other highlights being uploaded.

Dynasty
-Fixed an issue in Online Dynasty where injured players did not remain injured when the week advanced.
-Fixed an issue where a player’s injury time was only reduced by one week when going from Conference Championship week to Bowl Season. Players will now be back for their Bowl game if they should be off of the IR when their bowl game is played.
-Fixed an issue where coaches that changed jobs could get stuck in a state where they were still listed as coaching at their old school on the Players Leaving screen, leading to a Transfer Failed issue.
-Fixed an issue that occasionally prevented Dynasties from advancing past week 15.
-Fixed an issue with the schedule that prevented entering the Virginia Tech vs. Boston College game (fixed for both Dynasty and RTG).
-Fixed an issue where recruiting related trophies/achievements were not unlocked properly if you signed an extension in that season.
-Fixed an issue with Program Stability where the grade would drop from A+ to D+ in one season.
-Fixed an issue with the Unlock All Promises PDLC not unlocking properly on the Dynasty website.
-When viewing an Online Dynasty invite, added information to show what type of job can be selected by default.
-Fixed an issue when in the off-season where player stats did not match up between the web and console.
-Fixed an issue when recruiting from the web where an incorrect error pop-up would come up claiming that you were currently recruiting on the console.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences which removed the limit to the number of swaps that could be made.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences which caused an unbalanced number of conference games among conference members.
-Fixed an issue with Custom Conferences where the conference schedule would not be generated properly if a TeamBuilder team was used in a conference with protected rivals.

RTG
-Fixed an issue where CB’s could not audible after earning the ability to do so through Coach Trust.
-Fixed an issue where HB’s could not flip the play after earning the ability to do so through Coach Trust.

Online
-Fixed an issue where player’s online stats were not displaying promptly on the Online Leaderboards.

Thank you again for your patience for the arrival of this second Title Update. I trust you will find that it has been well worth the wait.

[Dr Death]

Has anyone told them about plays that are no longer in the game that were in prior to this patch? Shotgun 5-Wide HB is gone, so too is I-Tight... according to some posters on OS. How can this happen? Only being able to call plays from the first formation when in No-Huddle... on offense AND defense??? This is really just unbelievable. :fp:

[rhombic21]

Thank you again for your patience for the arrival of this second Title Update. I trust you will find that it has been well worth the wait.[/COLOR][/I]
LOL.

[gschwendt]

Has anyone told them about plays that are no longer in the game that were in prior to this patch? Shotgun 5-Wide HB is gone, so too is I-Tight... according to some posters on OS. How can this happen? Only being able to call plays from the first formation when in No-Huddle... on offense AND defense??? This is really just unbelievable. :fp:I can confirm that I-Form Tight is no longer available, however Shotgun 5-Wide HB is still there, it's just renamed to Shotgun Empty Spread... same plays, etc. as 5-Wide HB had.

As for other issues, everything I've posted (with the exception of the I-Form Tight issue) I have indeed emailed them about this evening.

[gigemaggs99]

So I'm really confused, do they test this before they send it out? How in the world could not see that plays are missing that were there before? When it comes down to it, I could care less about the signs in the crowd, or the jets flying over at the beginning of a bowl game, those are cool things but having the plays seems MUCH more important.

Do they test no-huddle at all? Seems like a lot of people use no-huddle and the CPU really does. Do they really work on a patch for 1 and 1/2 months and not see this?

I'm lost.


I kinda wondered if they did something, earlier today I played and it has a new advertisement for the Game of the week, Duke vs Stanford. I haven't seen that before.

The thing that's annoying to me is my OD hasn't been able to advance for 2 weeks now. Stuck at "transfer failed" hopefuly now it will advance, patch is loading now...it's going to be annoying if I can advance but now some of the plays from playbooks are missing. Seems like it worse and better at the same time.

Maybe I need to go back and buy a used copy of NCAA 11.

Seems like I remember reading one of the features of this year's game is again, to be able to run to and celebrate with your mascot....well I can't do it this year, once get into the endzone the CPU takes over the animation. Last year you could run to your mascot and celebrate. Why is this a feature that doesn't work?

[JeffHCross]

LOL, it's like they're just trying to see how far they can push things now.Give me a break. You know better.

[rhombic21]

Give you a break? Seriously dude, the patch took 2 months to come out, barely touched gameplay, broke numerous things that were not broken before, and didn't fix others that were supposedly going to be fixed. How can anybody do anything but laugh at this point? In what world does EA maintain any amount of credibility at this point?

[Pig Bomb]

Seems like I remember reading one of the features of this year's game is again, to be able to run to and celebrate with your mascot....well I can't do it this year, once get into the endzone the CPU takes over the animation. Last year you could run to your mascot and celebrate. Why is this a feature that doesn't work?

they took it out at the request of the NCAA since it's now a penalty if someone does it in real life

[gigemaggs99]

Well this is not fun.

Updated completed PS3, then I went in to see if my stuck OD will advance.

NO

loads up to 99% and then stops and says same damn thing, "transfer failed" Online dynasty is unavailible at this time, please try again later."

This sucks!


I guess what we're supposed to do now, is start over from the beginning, I have to make it a rule that you don't use custom playbooks and if you have wildcat or not is a crap-shoot.

Very dissappointing.

I did notice a sign is different on one of the main screens, top left says #29 ESPN, don't remember seeing that before.

[CLW]

So... my OD is in year 2 what does that mean as far as player tendancies? I'm a little confused and it sounds like this patch opened up a whole new can of worms. :smh: This game was close to being really good but this garbage is very frustrating. Perhaps that OS article is right, there is ZERO reason to buy a sports game now in the first few months of release.

[gigemaggs99]

Question, if I just want to play offline and don't want to mess w/ the headache of OD "transfer failed" issues, is there a way to remove the update so I can fall back to how the playbooks were prior to today's patch?

If I delete those updates from my HD and then unplug my ethernet or select NO to the update will that work?

I just want to play the damn game I don't care if it's offline. But I don't want the no-huddle B.S. I've seen reported. The CPU runs no-huddle all the time, if this fubars me playing defense then this is REALLY going to suck.

Is it possible to remove the patches and go back to the way it was day 1?

[JBHuskers]

Is it possible to remove the patches and go back to the way it was day 1?

If you delete all data and only play offline, yes.

[Oneback]

If all these issues still remain I really think its about time to hang up my NCAA cleats...I'm getting really tired of dealing with all these issues with no real hope of getting them fixed, if they can't release patches that don't cause other BIG problems I have no hope that they will be able to fix all the issues without causing others. Maybe it will be April 1st and we'll have a complete, working, fully functional game. I don't know about everyone else but I'm no fool and am growing tired of waiting.

PLEASE 2K, join the NCAA/NFL football market or better yet please SECA, I would be very happy with a football game that rivaled MLB.

[Roy38]

I'm curious how you guys are going to put a positive spin on this...

[MrDupree]

After patch custom playbook: changed maryland I tight to just 3 plays! Why even have the formation?

[gigemaggs99]

If all these issues still remain I really think its about time to hang up my NCAA cleats...I'm getting really tired of dealing with all these issues with no real hope of getting them fixed, if they can't release patches that don't cause other BIG problems I have no hope that they will be able to fix all the issues without causing others. Maybe it will be April 1st and we'll have a complete, working, fully functional game. I don't know about everyone else but I'm no fool and am growing tired of waiting.

PLEASE 2K, join the NCAA/NFL football market or better yet please SECA, I would be very happy with a football game that rivaled MLB.


This is a good point, they (EA) make a big deal about release dates and get you all hyped up to pre-order their games, yet then when it's all said and done after all the hype the game has multiple patches and it's months before it's really "fixed" or "ready" so it's almost like they release a Beta version that is completed a few months prior to their next "beta release"....

I guess if you take the ONLINE features out of the game and resort back to before the now-broken playbooks it's a pretty good game.

It's just annoying that one of the BIG selling points are the ONLINE features.

I know for years we've asked for a custom playbook, I'd be happy with NO custom playbook since this one seems somewhat messed up. I would however like the regular, non-custom playbooks to not be messed up. I.E. why does no-huddle all of a sudden mess things up where it was working pretty well just earlier today, prior to the patch?

I also find it wild when you buy NCAA they make a big deal about giving you a bunch of trade in credit towards Madden. Well now I've passed that "window". I'd much rather play NCAA than Madden but if Madden works, then I'll go with it. It's annoying that the patch that really messes up the game (maybe "unpatch" is what I'll call it...) comes out and now you can't get the super trade in value on NCAA towards Madden. That window has passed. If the "unpatch" would have come out sooner then I still would have had that option to get Madden at a better price, now as it is, seems like EA is working their "economic magic" and still offering Madden at full price as well as this not-so-complete NCAA game.

On a side note, what's really fun, we went to dinner this evening, drove by the neighbors house at the end of the street, they had water coming up from their water meter...thought, oh boy they have a leak....well that was at 5:45pm central...now it's 9:46pm central and the entire stree has no water, they had to shut off the main, the 6" line is leaking....weeeeeeeeeee no water. no NCAA, guess it's back to the beer.

[Oneback]

I'm not, I'm tired of being positive spin guy...this shit is getting ridiculous.

I have zero faith in EA that this game will get any better than it is, to be honest it hasn't changed much in years anyway. In all my talking with the powers that be over there I always get the same answer..we don't have the capability to do that or this is the way we decided to do it. So instead of putting resources towards making things work as they should they decide to hamfist things also known as "this is the way we decided to do it", the way cover 2 is played is a prime example. This shit is getting old...I was hoping attending the community event and being able to have some input would calm my fears/make me feel better, in honestly it made me feel worse and unless they commit the resources to make things work as they should things aren't going to change and I don't see anything changing.

Bring on another publisher, EA has had their shot and blew it in my eyes.

[ram29jackson]

@gig celebrations arent allowed now


what about long highlights though? last year, you could X To save it. Now that doesnt work

[gigemaggs99]

@gig celebrations arent allowed now


what about long highlights though? last year, you could X To save it. Now that doesnt work

That was last year LOL. this year is "different" LOL

When I graduated from A&M I went to work for computer software company, we delt with Ford Motor Company, their "parts manuals" on DVD. My main job was to provide support via the phone to parts managers from all over the US, so I had to know how this thing worked, ins and outs of it. The other part of my job was to QA test the piss out of the monthly release, since I knew how to use it the "way the parts guys would" not the way the programmers would.

Well since new cars come out and news parts, retro parts, etc.. it changed from month to month. It would have problems, and QA testing would find 99% of the errors or "issues"...if something did leak through they had a work around...maybe it's b/c it had to do with cars and safety on the road, and this is a video game. But when it comes down to it, it's still about $60/copy of the game, they make a butt load of money on this product...they should test it, re-test it and then do it again. YES some things are going to slip through, but if and when they do come out with a patch, IT SHOULD NOT MAKE IT WORSE.

Like others have said, the company I worked for, they had the problem of having competitors, if Ford didn't like our product they could try the other guys. EA has no competition, we the users can't try something else, that's the annoying thing, they have a monopoly, they know we can't go to another brand so we are at their mercy.

I guess I could stop paying my $60, but the problem is, I wouldn't have a college football game then....so that doesn't really work for me.

What's a guy to do? I just want to play a good college football game...

[xMrHitStickx904]

hey, at least Madden is good. lol. I was gonna put in the NCAA disc, no reason to now.

[xMrHitStickx904]

im still lol'ing at the fact that they took the wildcat formations out cause they couldn't fix the glitches in them that weren't there last year, nor in Madden this year.

[Unconquered]

Too late EA. Waaaaay too late.

We should have had this patch seven weeks ago (and don't blame Microsoft/Sony's certification, because they weren't the ones who released a broken game).

This has happened four years in a row now and it's unacceptable. NCAA 09 had twitchy sliders and rosters; NCAA 10 had broken sliders (again); NCAA 11 had broken handoffs/playaction and the pump-fake glitch; and NCAA 12 had broken custom playbooks and the roster tendencies bug.

So I've finally learned my lesson and I won't be buying NCAA 13 on launch day next year, or any year until EA sorts out these quality-control issues. I'll buy it used, if I buy it all.

[I OU a Beatn]

hey, at least Madden is good.

I wouldn't go that far. :D

[joshuahuskers]

Looks like they did fix the issue with custom conferences in regards to the conference schedule. Good.

[Buckeye]

:up: EA

[mtoo22]

Not saying anyone else isn't honest, but I applaud oneback for his. Its bullshit. I love college football. I love college football games. I can't blame EA for hyping their product, but don't tell me you're fixing things that you blatantly did not fix. If you fool me with marketing then that's my fault. If you fool me with empty promises it's on you. I'm done with the hype machine. I'm not going to say I'm one of those guys that wont get the game at release, but I wont. I'm tired of the bullshit with EA Sports. Have some respect for the consumer. We pay your bills. You've pulled the wool over our eyes for far too long and its our own faults for not seeing it sooner than this.

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[jaymo76]

So... if I download the patch I get: 1. broken no huddle 2. broken custom playbookshmmm... the bigger question is not whether I should download the patch. The bigger question is should I trade in NCAA for the first time ever??? I LOVE the NCAA series and the game this year just had so much potential but it's been letdown after glitch-fest letdown. What reason do I have left to play this game? Seriously... I think it's time for everyone to answer this question for himself.The one saving grace is all my draft classes which I can import to Madden.... oh wait, I can't because of the double save issue. Trajectory, leaping linebackers, psychic DB's, coach pregression that is out of control, no ability to edit height/weight, zero running abilities by spread/option teams, etc., etc., etc. So do we wait another month to have these issues fixed??? I don't know... I am loving my time with Madden. Maybe it's time to walk away from NCAA 12. I really just don't know... :(

[Oneback]

So the brilliant "hamfisted" fix for WR blocking was to have CB's in zone sit there and do nothing or if in man run backwards 15 yards. How about this novelty....have the WR actually block the CB. Can this be done? The answer is no, because they can only move a blocker to a location and hope that he picks up a defender and blocks him. There are no assignments like have x-player block force defender, its all about moving a offensive blocker to a location that is mapped on the field and hoping he blocks someone. Look at screens for a perfect example of this.

Granted I didn't expect ground breaking fixes in a patch, but the implementation of improved WR blocking is just lazy.

[ram29jackson]

oh, no,..you are saying they screwed up defenders now? i was happy with the recent norm all things considered.

so running is way too easy now? that would make the entire game `16 bit novelty junk if thats true

[bdoughty]

So... if I download the patch I get: 1. broken no huddle 2. broken custom playbookshmmm... the bigger question is not whether I should download the patch. The bigger question is should I trade in NCAA for the first time ever??? I LOVE the NCAA series and the game this year just had so much potential but it's been letdown after glitch-fest letdown. What reason do I have left to play this game? Seriously... I think it's time for everyone to answer this question for himself.The one saving grace is all my draft classes which I can import to Madden.... oh wait, I can't because of the double save issue. Trajectory, leaping linebackers, psychic DB's, coach pregression that is out of control, no ability to edit height/weight, zero running abilities by spread/option teams, etc., etc., etc. So do we wait another month to have these issues fixed??? I don't know... I am loving my time with Madden. Maybe it's time to walk away from NCAA 12. I really just don't know... :(

Your money to do with as you wish. We all have different abilities to overlook things. I have no control over the situation other than not to buy it in the first place. All the glitches aside it plays a good offline game for me and that is all I use it for. There are plenty of people enjoying the game. Sometimes you just have to come to accept that it is a game.

[Rudy]

I'm not, I'm tired of being positive spin guy...this shit is getting ridiculous.

I have zero faith in EA that this game will get any better than it is, to be honest it hasn't changed much in years anyway. In all my talking with the powers that be over there I always get the same answer..we don't have the capability to do that or this is the way we decided to do it. So instead of putting resources towards making things work as they should they decide to hamfist things also known as "this is the way we decided to do it", the way cover 2 is played is a prime example. This shit is getting old...I was hoping attending the community event and being able to have some input would calm my fears/make me feel better, in honestly it made me feel worse and unless they commit the resources to make things work as they should things aren't going to change and I don't see anything changing.

Bring on another publisher, EA has had their shot and blew it in my eyes.

This is my feeling on a lot of things now. After 5+ years on next gen the game plays the way it does because it's the way EA wants it to play. It's not going to change. So if someone isn't happy with the gameplay, don't expect any significant change from one year to the next. I've always hoped players would have more weight and momentum but it's a design decision to make players feel the way they do. Same goes for everything else.


So I've finally learned my lesson and I won't be buying NCAA 13 on launch day next year, or any year until EA sorts out these quality-control issues. I'll buy it used, if I buy it all.

This is my view as well. Unless I'm blown out of the water by previews next year as well as the demo I will not be buying day one. This is rent first only. Madden has my money now and I don't regret dumping NCAA 12 for one second. Maybe EA needs to go with flexible release dates and push things back to fix bugs because NCAA has been sloppy for awhile in this department.

[oweb26]

LOL @ this entire thread now. Everything is fine to me personally but then again I don't get my panties in a wad if something isn't to what I think it should be. Its a damn game, I'm to busy and honestly too lazy to care enough to take it personal.

Yes No huddle is FUBAR now, honestly I just recreated my custom playbook no real need to fight the damn game. Other than that I don't have any complaints.

[mtoo22]

LOL @ this entire thread now. Everything is fine to me personally but then again I don't get my panties in a wad if something isn't to what I think it should be. Its a damn game, I'm to busy and honestly too lazy to care enough to take it personal.

Yes No huddle is FUBAR now, honestly I just recreated my custom playbook no real need to fight the damn game. Other than that I don't have any complaints.

For everyone that can overlook it there are some people who can't. Everyone's going to have a different opinion.

Sent from my LG-US670 using Tapatalk

[Unconquered]

"You have reached the minimum allowed plays required for your coaching strategy."

This is gonna be a lot of fun :fp:

Seems some playbooks now have certain plays that simply CANNOT be removed. For example: Alabama > Ace Slot Flex > TE Post. It's not really a custom playbook then, is it?

They should have never made it so that custom playbooks depend on a base playbook. Bad idea. We should just be able to build our own from scratch.

[Pig Bomb]

"You have reached the minimum allowed plays required for your coaching strategy."

This is gonna be a lot of fun :fp:

Seems some playbooks now have certain plays that simply CANNOT be removed. For example: Alabama > Ace Slot Flex > TE Post. It's not really a custom playbook then, is it?

They should have never made it so that custom playbooks depend on a base playbook. Bad idea. We should just be able to build our own from scratch.

nevermind...the fix i used before does not work now.. :)


also after that message when looking to add/remove plays it seems that all the formations i tried to delete and got the message with are still there and each only has 1 play in it... weird

[psuexv]

I didn't see it in the write up of fixes, does anyone know if they fixed the Sim issues with time not running off the clock during the huddle?

[coogrfan]

So I'm clear on this: is no huddle FUBAR'ed for custom playbooks only?

[psuexv]

So I'm clear on this: is no huddle FUBAR'ed for custom playbooks only?

No it's all playbooks. I played last night and used team specific and if I went no huddle it takes you to the 1st Shotgun formation.

[coogrfan]

Umm...that's going to be a problem.

[gigemaggs99]

they took it out at the request of the NCAA since it's now a penalty if someone does it in real life

That's funny, it's still in the "coaching tips" when the game is loading, it tells you to run to your mascot to celebrate....FUNNY

[NatureBoy]

This just came from the NCAA Football 12 twitter feed: If you are still experiencing issues with your custom playbook post update, you'll need to delete it and create a new one to fix the issues.

[JBHuskers]

So is the no huddle problem seen with guys with custom playbooks, or is it happening to guys that don't have a custom playbook? I haven't created one yet. Was going to wait til this patch.

[coogrfan]

Yes No huddle is FUBAR now, honestly I just recreated my custom playbook no real need to fight the damn game. Other than that I don't have any complaints.

"Other Than That, Mrs. Lincoln, How Did You Enjoy the Play?"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/gocoogs/johnstewartfacepalm.gif

[hawkeyeguy]

Superlinebackers is still my biggest gripe of the game and until this (should be small) fix is fixed I will not be 100% on board with this game (oh and the inability to save bowl games in online dynasty mode was a huge problem for us in year 1, hopefully that is now fixed)

[Unconquered]

Just found two more bits of weirdness with custom playbooks post-patch, and I had only 30 minutes to fool with it before work:

1) Using UTEP's playbook as a base, I have Shotgun Normal -> 4 Verticals in my playbook ... even though I don't.

2) Selecting the formation Shotgun 5WR Tiger also gives you plays from Shotgun 5WR Flex Trey (I think it's 5WR Flex Trey ... it's just a few formations above 5WR Tiger, but I'm not in front of my Xbox 360 right now). They're mysteriously linked.

I'll send EA an invoice for my bug testing. Anyone know what the minimum wage is in Florida?

[gigemaggs99]

So I'm clear on this: is no huddle FUBAR'ed for custom playbooks only?

When I played last night, it seems like it takes you to your first play in your playbook, i.e if you're running the 3-3-5 stack on defense and you're in a DIME 3-2-6, then the offense does no-huddle it pulls up 3-3-5 stack, not sure why but you can scroll back over to Dime 3-2-6, it's a few more clicks but it seems to work ok.

This was with default 3-3-5 stack, not a custom playbook.

Same thing on offense, I came out in Ace Big and then did no-huddle, it took me to Shotgun Slot F Wing, which is the first SG formation in my playbook. Again I was able to scroll back to my formation, I guess it's annoying, but it does seem to work.

On a side note, the WR blocking is wild, the option attack is fun to run now. I played a few games using Army's PB and MAN! The WR's basically throw the DBs to the ground, not sure if that's holding but it makes for some interesting gains.

I played some offline games and everything seems to work alright. The no-huddle issue is there (as mentioned above) but you can scroll through to make it work, just takes a few more seconds.

They changed up the special teams menu, seems like it defaults to punt or FG...reverse of what it should....if you're 4th and long on your own 20 it defaults to FG attempt, if you're on their 20 and it's 4th and 2 it defaults to PUNT, not sure why it doesn't just do one or the other so you have to pay attention to what is defaults to.

Online wise, I played an OD game, I won. I'm the OC and my defense was on the field to end the game. When the game was over, it didn't show the normal highlights and end game recap. It just took me to the pause menu and gave me the option to "exit game" when I clicked on that it told me all progress would be lost. But I couldn't do anything else, so I click Exit and then it took me back to the OD menu, showed my game was completed and had the correct score, just didn't do any highlights. Not sure what's going on there, but it did keep the game results. So other than presentation it seems to be working.

As far as MY OD, I couldn't get it to pass the Transfer Failed option. Couldn't advance it online, so scrapped the OD. Guess we'll start over.

I also played a few ranked online games and 2 out of 5 just froze while we were playing, the score was 0-0 I could still text message my opponent but both our screens were frozen. The only way out was to "quit" the game from the PSN menu.

I really don't want to go to Madden, I like College Football...maybe if it atleast keeps working offline it will be ok.

[lilheavy]

Sorry if its been posted already but when creating a new playbook, "I Form Tight" is no longer listed. Unfortunate for me because that was my base formation for my triple option attack :( :smh: :down: :bang: :mad: :confused:Hopefully this will be resolved. No reason to remove formations.

[morsdraconis]

Sorry if its been posted already but when creating a new playbook, "I Form Tight" is no longer listed. Unfortunate for me because that was my base formation for my triple option attack :( :smh: :down: :bang: :mad: :confused:Hopefully this will be resolved. No reason to remove formations.

It's still there, it's just called something different (if I'm not mistaken).

[gschwendt]

It's still there, it's just called something different (if I'm not mistaken).

Nope... I-form tight is no longer available. Shotgun 5wr hb was the one renamed to shotgun spread empty.

[griffin2608]

I'm officially pissed off now. Anyone who can defend this shit needs to remove their lips from some ass and quit hoping they get invited to community day next year. Complete bull shit! It takes this long to come out with this patch and this is what they have been doing? Does anyone else see why they are pushing the digital download crap for their garbage so you can't trade in or sell these games when they fail. I am a huge football fan but ea sports is really ruining gaming for me. Sad thing is how big football is here and the best sport games made are for NBA by 2k and MLB the show by Sony. College basket ball was awesome but ea had to ruin that too. I hope things change but I do not believe they will with the guys who run the show especially fat head haumiller. I can't stand his dumb ass.

[JBHuskers]

I'm officially pissed off now. Anyone who can defend this shit needs to remove their lips from some ass and quit hoping they get invited to community day next year. Complete bull shit! It takes this long to come out with this patch and this is what they have been doing? Does anyone else see why they are pushing the digital download crap for their garbage so you can't trade in or sell these games when they fail. I am a huge football fan but ea sports is really ruining gaming for me. Sad thing is how big football is here and the best sport games made are for NBA by 2k and MLB the show by Sony. College basket ball was awesome but ea had to ruin that too. I hope things change but I do not believe they will with the guys who run the show especially fat head haumiller. I can't stand his dumb ass.

You're completely off base with that whole second sentence. It isn't about being positive with hopes of being invited back. It is BS that more and more things keep getting broken, but there are a great deal of people here that are still enjoying the game, myself included. And it's not in the hopes of being invited back, considering I'm involved in more than just this title...it sure as hell isn't for that reason. That part of your post is probably influenced from other sites that believe that same thing like it's the gospel. People deserve to vent because this is frustrating, but personal attacks on Ben are completely useless and do nothing to help things.

[morsdraconis]

Nope... I-form tight is no longer available. Shotgun 5wr hb was the one renamed to shotgun spread empty.

Ah. Then I stand corrected. That kinda sucks, but I never used that formation anyway (the play selection was too thin for my liking).

[rhombic21]

People deserve to vent because this is frustrating, but personal attacks on Ben are completely useless and do nothing to help things.

You know what else doesn't do anything to help things? When community sites become mouthpieces for game producers, that's what. This whole fiasco is beyond unacceptable, and for the most part the moderators of this site have been completely silent on the issue (aside from Gschwendte). Not only was this site almost completely silent on the presence of major issues before the game came out (and you had multiple people who had the game for 14 days before release), but now after this long awaited patch, which apparently broke way more things than it actually fixed, there are almost no public statements on the issue coming from the people that run this place. Where is a blog post to discuss the problems with the patch? Where is anything to call EA out for this absolutely unacceptable level of poor quality control?

I want to know how you plan on using your access with the team to ensure that this crap doesn't happen again in the future. Tell me why anybody should take anything that you or EA says seriously anymore.

[JBHuskers]

If we're such a mouthpiece for the game producers and you don't believe anything we say, then why the fuck are you here?

I haven't played on the PS3 since the patch. I played on 360 last night; which hasn't received the patch yet. So why do I need to comment on something I haven't seen first hand yet?

Seriously you should just go back to other sites that think you're a god.

[Paxtin]

He's probably here because EA wont answer questions anywhere... just saying.

[psuexv]

I guess Rhombic you think these guys have a lot more power than I think they do. yes they are actively involved in Community Days and provide Feedback to EA. But in the end it's just feedback and EA is going to put out the product that they are going to put out. I'm not defending EA as I do think the patch was lackluster. But in all honesty as JB stated, their are a lot of people out there that are still enjoying the game and it plays ok for them.... namely the kids, that are the ones that are more than likely really driving the revenue stream.

The biggest fix for me was the freezes, glitches and such and hopefully that is taken care of.

I can tell you this from working for a software company, it's not always as easy as it seems and you TRULY don't find some bugs until it's mainstream.

[rhombic21]

I'm here because you claim to represent the "community" and to be using your access to the team in order to improve the game, and you ought to be called out on the fact that you have done neither.

[gschwendt]

Regardless of what you think the motivation is behind it, it's not our style to throw anyone under the bus. We know there are problems, they know our major and minor complaints about the game, and they'll probably hear it even more as the release of the game continues. That said, we're not going to have a knee-jerk reaction and throw up a blog about issues, etc. until all of the facts are in and until we and everyone has had time to evaluate not just the bad but also the good.

I agree that this patch has really screwed things up, especially as a Sun Belt guy where 7/9 teams run no huddle, but it's been less than 24 hours and would like to have more time to evaluate and see if EA doesn't release some kind of a "we fucked up" blog... I don't know that we'll see it, but I know that we deserve it for how this game has been handled this year.

[gschwendt]

I'm here because you claim to represent the "community" and to be using your access to the team in order to improve the game, and you ought to be called out on the fact that you have done neither.You are completely inaccurate. I assure you we send a ton of feedback but what EA does with it from there is out of our hand. We don't program the game, we don't make any decisions on the game. We give input and relay opinions about the game... that's about all we can do.

You'll notice that we the admins don't sit here & rail on the game but at the same time we don't sit here and say that the game is the greatest thing on earth. We pass along information to the community and provide an area for people to discuss the game... nothing more, nothing less.

As for our involvement with EA, you can believe whatever you want or whatever you're told, but I assure you we have done our part.

[hawkeyeguy]

Fix.Superlinebackers.K.thnx.bai.


:-)

[JBHuskers]

Fix.Superlinebackers.K.thnx.bai.


:-)

Is that hacker code? :D

[hawkeyeguy]

Is that hacker code? :D

Only if it works. :-)

[JBHuskers]

Only if it works. :-)

Good luck on that ;)

[keyser soze]

I'm here because you claim to represent the "community" and to be using your access to the team in order to improve the game, and you ought to be called out on the fact that you have done neither.

LOL, wait... so you don't think they asked EA to not F-up the game with the patch strongly enough? Oh come on man, we all knew EA would screw the game up with the patch, the only real question would be whether or not it would even be playable after the patch since the don't actually play the game themselves. I just hope our OD is able to continue on.

[keyser soze]

So this no huddle issue, is it screwing up the CPU offense as well?

[gschwendt]

So this no huddle issue, is it screwing up the CPU offense as well?I don't know if it effects the CPU's playcalling, but it does effect your defensive playcalling when the CPU goes no huddle.

[keyser soze]

I don't know if it effects the CPU's playcalling, but it does effect your defensive playcalling when the CPU goes no huddle.

Oh crap, what does it do to the defensive playcalling?

[gschwendt]

Oh crap, what does it do to the defensive playcalling?Same thing when you run it on offense... it only allows you to pick plays from the first formation listed in each set of your playbook (so 4-3 Normal, Nickel Normal, Dime Normal, etc.) If the opponent runs no huddle and you're in Nickel 3-3-5, you can't pick plays from that formation, only the tops of the list of each set.

[keyser soze]

Same thing when you run it on offense... it only allows you to pick plays from the first formation listed in each set of your playbook (so 4-3 Normal, Nickel Normal, Dime Normal, etc.) If the opponent runs no huddle and you're in Nickel 3-3-5, you can't pick plays from that formation, only the tops of the list of each set.

Oh, ok, I can deal with that vs the CPU.

[roccogator]

Does anyone have a breakdown of what was fixed and what was broke by the patch. I am trying to decide if I should even bother with downloading the patch.

[keyser soze]

Does anyone have a breakdown of what was fixed and what was broke by the patch. I am trying to decide if I should even bother with downloading the patch.

LOL, gotta love EA. I seriously wonder what the mood is at their studio today or if they even care. My gut still tells me that the few of them that play video football play Madden so they either don't care or are oblivious to it.

[ram29jackson]

I'm not, I'm tired of being positive spin guy...this shit is getting ridiculous.

I have zero faith in EA that this game will get any better than it is, to be honest it hasn't changed much in years anyway. In all my talking with the powers that be over there I always get the same answer..we don't have the capability to do that or this is the way we decided to do it. So instead of putting resources towards making things work as they should they decide to hamfist things also known as "this is the way we decided to do it", the way cover 2 is played is a prime example. This shit is getting old...I was hoping attending the community event and being able to have some input would calm my fears/make me feel better, in honestly it made me feel worse and unless they commit the resources to make things work as they should things aren't going to change and I don't see anything changing.

Bring on another publisher, EA has had their shot and blew it in my eyes.


I'm stunned

[ram29jackson]

If we're such a mouthpiece for the game producers and you don't believe anything we say, then why the fuck are you here?

I haven't played on the PS3 since the patch. I played on 360 last night; which hasn't received the patch yet. So why do I need to comment on something I haven't seen first hand yet?

Seriously you should just go back to other sites that think you're a god.

LOL did you download it yet ? I havent either, but I obviously have to, to continue anything online.

they did this more than once last year , right ? I mean, there will be a follow up patch, right? I think at best, the wide receiver blocking and playbooks need to be solved before September ends for sure.

[JBHuskers]

LOL did you download it yet ? I havent either, but I obviously have to to continue anything online.

they did this more than once last year , right ? I mean, there will be a follow up patch, right? I think at best, the wide receiver blocking and playbooks need to be solved before September ends for sure.

I will tonight when I play my OD game.

[uf83198]

We are almost exactly 2 months past the release date and the 'product' still does not work correctly. I'm trying to think of another product or service I use that this would be acceptable. Can anyone think of one?

[psuexv]

We are almost exactly 2 months past the release date and the 'product' still does not work correctly. I'm trying to think of another product or service I use that this would be acceptable. Can anyone think of one?

Just look at the automobile industry, sometimes they never fix issues.

The product does actually work correctly. There are some bugs but it still plays as a football game and many many people are still playing and having fun with it.

[jbmorden19]

We are almost exactly 2 months past the release date and the 'product' still does not work correctly. I'm trying to think of another product or service I use that this would be acceptable. Can anyone think of one?

Our elected politicians?

[psuexv]

Our elected politicians?

:+1:

[gigemaggs99]

I guess one thing that throws me for a loop, and it's probably just a marketing trick...on the ESPNU show, making of NCAA 12 they made a big deal about how they really REALLY listen to the fans. How they go on their internet forums and LISTEN to their audience.

Yet, then you come on here and other sites and listen to people that get the game early, play it, give their pros vs cons...and those people say things like, well all we do is give them feedback it's up to them with how they deal with it....

Yes EA (on the ESPNU show) would have you believe it's REALLY important to them as to what their audience has to say, what they want, and their feedback is important....

....so I guess the morale of the story is, have a coke and smile and shut the F up. They will release their product in whatever state they want, we are the freakshows that fork out money for it, we are the silly ones that think they are listening to this forums.

I'm no software guru, I have no clue how to program a video game, but when they say they listen to their audience it would also be nice if they would in turn, produce a product that isn't fubar. What I mean is, it seems like YEARS we've been asking for a custom playbook. Then they finally after YEARS of asking in forums say, well we are going to unvail it, CUSTOM PLAYBOOKS....yet now it looks like if I play an OD using a Custom playbook, that can cause issues, if I create a PB it sometimes does and does not have formations. I'm just wondering why they listened about wanting CPB but turn out a product that doesn't really work. It seems to cause more problems than it's worth. If CPB are the root of all the issues, can't they release a patch that turns that feature off? I know it would be like going back to NCAA 11, but alteast it wouldn't be messing things up.

I'm sure it's not that simple, there is nothing simple in programming I'm sure of that...just wondering...if they been really listening to these forums for years and really HEAR that we want a Custom Playbook, then all of a sudden they throw it in with out really testing it? Didn't they start working on this version about this time last year? Or was custom playbooks throw in 2 days prior to packaging it up?

This excuse of, flaws don't pop out until the product hits mainstream is crazy. I could understand if is was something simple like shoe colors are off, or something simple, but online games freezing as soon as you flip the coin toss, plays missing from formations, ODs still not advancing properly, no-huddle fubaring things high heaven....those things CAN and should be tested.

You mean this patch was "said" to be release sometime in Aug, I think Aug 2 is when they said, they hope it will come out soon....did they not test it from Aug 2 until Sept 8th? I find that hard to believe.

I'm really amazed at how they can get away with this...it seems like it comes down to a better business issue, they are releasing a product that isn't complete, then they release a patch that makes it worse, all the while still selling it at $60/copy they are making money on a broken product. There is no disclaimer that it isn't working when you buy it, you assume it will work and I guess that is your loss for assuming that a $60 video game will work as advertised.

Maybe it should be more like this, "hello sir I'd like to buy a game, ok what are you looking for....I'm looking for a good football game, well here you go....is that good? SURE....does it work? Maybe....that will be $60+ tax....good luck LOL!

[morsdraconis]

Our elected politicians?
:nod:

[ram29jackson]

Just look at the automobile industry, sometimes they never fix issues.

The product does actually work correctly. There are some bugs but it still plays as a football game and many many people are still playing and having fun with it.

yet and still, WR blocking and playbooks better be fixed ASAP.

[MtneerManiac]

EA: http://gifrinth.com/vocabulary/4.png

[MtneerManiac]

Also, banning rhombic was a total vagina move.

[uf83198]

The product does actually work correctly. There are some bugs but it still plays as a football game and many many people are still playing and having fun with it.

No it doesn't work correctly and it doesnt play as a football game when someone can go no huddle and you cant call plays from your playbook, or your DB's watch speed option go right past them, or your dynasty won't advance past bowl games, or the game freezes at the coin flip screen, etc. Would you continue to buy the same cell phone if only 'some' of the features worked? Can you give me 1 thing that the patch made better?

[AustinWolv]

LOL, gotta love EA. I seriously wonder what the mood is at their studio today or if they even care. My gut still tells me that the few of them that play video football play Madden so they either don't care or are oblivious to it.

I get the impression, from watching some of their demo games where they actually play, that they are fans of NCAA football. They like watching college football.

But that they don't KNOW football. Maybe Anthony White who is the play creation director guy. When you got guys like Oneback, rhombic, and even just regular fans on this site alone that can discuss offense philosophy and intent, zone defense assignments and read adjustments, run block assignments, etc...............in detail no less........and that stuff which is mostly fundamentals, not NFL veteran tips or complicated reads, is NOT in the game.........well, to me that shows that EA hasn't invested in football being football. They've invested in a game that mimics what a casual viewer sees on TV but doesn't really understand all that is going on and why. Hell, the ability to align to your defense to the strength of the offense has NEVER been in the series.....all you can do is flip the formation which doesn't align players you want them........WILL and SAM backers are different types of players for example in most defenses, but the game merely treats them as right and left OLB and just flips the play, not the players.

I've wondered for years why they haven't just brought in some offensive and defensive coaches to teach them how the assignments works and how that read progression should go if the first assignment isn't there, like what Oneback covered earlier in the thread. Hey, FB....there is no LB to crush? Go to the next level, instead of doubling back right into my RB to go chase someone that is not a threat to the fucking play.

[JBHuskers]

Also, banning rhombic was a total vagina move.

Um no, he got away with it last time he attacked the site. It was completely justified. Guessing he went to a dying vine to cry about it right away.

[AustinWolv]

Also, banning rhombic was a total vagina move.

So was him insulting the staff here.

He had a point about EA sucking it up, but it wasn't fair to blame the guys here for EA's foul-ups. If the staff here was the ones messing up the programming, not putting in the right features, then he'd have a point. They are just internet forum owners, and if you guys think they have any more power than you or I, you are thinking too much of them. No offense to them, as they fronted for the site and run it and put in a lot of work on it. The perks that they do get is nice, but it doesn't mean that everything they say or communicate gets through EA's marketing dollar-driven business skull.

[uf83198]

I've wondered for years why they haven't just brought in some offensive and defensive coaches to teach them how the assignments works and how that read progression should go if the first assignment isn't there.

Yes!! THIS!! It would only take 1 or 2 former or current coaches to fix alot of A1 issues that some of the developers don't fully understand

[JBHuskers]

So was him insulting the staff here.

He had a point about EA sucking it up, but it wasn't fair to blame the guys here for EA's foul-ups. If the staff here was the ones messing up the programming, not putting in the right features, then he'd have a point. They are just internet forum owners, and if you guys think they have any more power than you or I, you are thinking too much of them. No offense to them, as they fronted for the site and run it and put in a lot of work on it. The perks that they do get is nice, but it doesn't mean that everything they say or communicate gets through EA's marketing dollar-driven business skull.

:+1:

[MtneerManiac]

Um no, he got away with it last time he attacked the site. It was completely justified. Guessing he went to a dying vine to cry about it right away.

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=thegamingtailgate.com

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ncaastrategies.com

I guess the meals at Golden Corral and the free stays and Days Inn must give you all the edge in this contest. :D

[AustinWolv]

Yes!! THIS!! It would only take 1 or 2 former or current coaches to fix alot of A1 issues that some of the developers don't fully understand
Doesn't even need to be big name guys. Just grab local high school or small college coaches for a small fee for each one. And each one should be selected based on what he knows, i.e. find a guy that runs a WCO attack, a gun that runs an option attack, a guy that runs a pass-based spread, a guy that runs spread option, a guy that runs 4-3 Cover2, a guy that runs 335, and so on.
Should be very cheap to do so on a one-time consultant thing for a day to get the high-level basics and then you bring those guys back in now and then with small fees to iron out the small stuff.

Hell, high school coaches go to coaching clinics put on by the big-name coaches every damn summer and learn this stuff, so why couldn't EA pay to do the same?

[gschwendt]

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=thegamingtailgate.com

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ncaastrategies.com

I guess the meals at Golden Corral and the free stays and Days Inn must give you all the edge in this contest. :DWTF does that shit have anything to do with a valid discussion? You obviously don't see the point that anyone is making. Rhombic could have easily stated his arguments without taking shots at us and/or Ben and been perfectly fine. He obviously gets fed lines from other sites and is filled with completely inaccurate information. End of story. Go run back to that other site and tell them what I said so they can give you suggestions on how to respond. We're waiting.

[JBHuskers]

Yep...MtneerManiac can enjoy the same vacation Rhombic has.

But thanks for pointing out that we have closed quite the gap in traffic in just 16 months.

[gschwendt]

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=thegamingtailgate.com

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ncaastrategies.com

I guess the meals at Golden Corral and the free stays and Days Inn must give you all the edge in this contest. :DFunny enough, if you look at that, it says our site age is 319 days old, yet founded in May. That says that those numbers are from before April... 5 months ago. Find a comparison from the past few months and I imagine they tell a considerably different story.

[JBHuskers]

Funny enough, if you look at that, it says our site age is 319 days old, yet founded in May. That says that those numbers are from before April... 5 months ago. Find a comparison from the past few months and I imagine they tell a considerably different story.

Yeah look more specifically at May, June, July, and August when we basically have more traffic, even though we were told we wouldn't survive but a few months :D again....failed jokes doesn't = the truth.

[psuexv]

No it doesn't work correctly and it doesnt play as a football game when someone can go no huddle and you cant call plays from your playbook, or your DB's watch speed option go right past them, or your dynasty won't advance past bowl games, or the game freezes at the coin flip screen, etc. Would you continue to buy the same cell phone if only 'some' of the features worked? Can you give me 1 thing that the patch made better?

Ummm... Actually it fixed everything that you mentioned. With the exception of the no huddle which is a new problem.

Well I guess you cell phone example doesn't make sense to me as most of these issues are new to this years game so you're not really buying a product the same product and only some of the features work. Last years game was fairly bug free, other than some gameplay improvements and they will always need to make game play improvements.

[ram29jackson]

WTF does that shit have anything to do with a valid discussion? You obviously don't see the point that anyone is making. Rhombic could have easily stated his arguments without taking shots at us and/or Ben and been perfectly fine. He obviously gets fed lines from other sites and is filled with completely inaccurate information. End of story. Go run back to that other site and tell them what I said so they can give you suggestions on how to respond. We're waiting.

gee whiz, Gschwendt almost seems uncomposed in this, thats so unlike him LOL j/k juuuust kiiiddiinng

[psuexv]

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=thegamingtailgate.com

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ncaastrategies.com

I guess the meals at Golden Corral and the free stays and Days Inn must give you all the edge in this contest. :D

Not going to lie... big fan of Golden Corral

[gschwendt]

gee whiz, Gschwendt almost seems uncomposed in this, thats so unlike him LOL j/k juuuust kiiidddiinngStraight-out lies and intentional misinformation do that to me.

[Deuce]

I honestly can't believe people still come over from the other site and troll. Seriously, grow up.


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[ram29jackson]

Not going to lie... big fan of Golden Corral

never been there yet myself

[ram29jackson]

I honestly can't believe people still come over from the other site and troll. Seriously, grow up.


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its their decision, but I wouldnt call what Rhombic did, trolling, by any stretch. Just a strong opion is all

[JBHuskers]

its their decision, but I wouldnt call what Rhombic did, trolling, by any stretch. Just a strong opion is all

It's more of a continuation of what he started when he insulted many members of the community prior and should have been banned then.

[Deuce]

its their decision, but I wouldnt call what Rhombic did, trolling, by any stretch. Just a strong opion is all

Huh? You can't be serious? :fp:


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[griffin2608]

You're completely off base with that whole second sentence. It isn't about being positive with hopes of being invited back. It is BS that more and more things keep getting broken, but there are a great deal of people here that are still enjoying the game, myself included. And it's not in the hopes of being invited back, considering I'm involved in more than just this title...it sure as hell isn't for that reason. That part of your post is probably influenced from other sites that believe that same thing like it's the gospel. People deserve to vent because this is frustrating, but personal attacks on Ben are completely useless and do nothing to help things.

Look I did not mean to call out anyone and that includes anyone with the prospect of going to community days in the future but here is my reasoning for being pissed. There were multiple people with access to the game through out the development cycle from this site and multiple others and they all received early copies of the game. But not once during that time did I hear or read anyone point out the issues with the game. There were obvious problems but no one said so even after the embargo lift. If there was a time when those guys relayed those issues to ea, they knew about those issues and fixes should have began to be worked out. The patch took forever and I have been waiting for them. Now it's sept 9th and I really don't even see the reason to download the patch. Nothing about that post had any influence from anywhere but common sense. If I would have attended a community day and came back point out every issue with the game and had a negative (truthful) outlook you bet your ass I would not be invited back. My outlook is the same as it was 2 years ago. The NCAA series will not change until it is taken out of the Tiburon Studio.

[gschwendt]

Look I did not mean to call out anyone and that includes anyone with the prospect of going to community days in the future but here is my reasoning for being pissed. There were multiple people with access to the game through out the development cycle from this site and multiple others and they all received early copies of the game. But not once during that time did I hear or read anyone point out the issues with the game. There were obvious problems but no one said so even after the embargo lift. If there was a time when those guys relayed those issues to ea, they knew about those issues and fixes should have began to be worked out. The patch took forever and I have been waiting for them. Now it's sept 9th and I really don't even see the reason to download the patch. Nothing about that post had any influence from anywhere but common sense. If I would have attended a community day and came back point out every issue with the game and had a negative (truthful) outlook you bet your ass I would not be invited back. My outlook is the same as it was 2 years ago. The NCAA series will not change until it is taken out of the Tiburon Studio.

I've said it several times but I'll say it again. I honestly and sincerely did not see any major issues with the game from the time they sent it to us early to the time that you guys received it. I still never saw any of the major issues that were discovered the first day the public had access... I never saw the zero play bug aside from at community events and the two guys that reported to me as having seen it, they were prior to the day one patch which suggested it would be fixing it so I assumed it would have been fixed. Honestly prior to this latest patch, I could find lots of enjoyment out of the game with the exception of transfer failed errors and guys getting DC'd in OD games.

I assure you, our goal is not to be an EA mouthpiece or just gloss over the issues with the game whether you or anyone else believes that to be the case. Just because we don't scream from the rooftops and post on twitter or facebook or elsewhere about the issues with the game, doesn't mean that we're ignoring them or anything like that, it just comes down to the fact that is not our style. We relay news, we provide a place to discuss the game, we discuss the game with you, but aside from podcasts, we don't share our "site" opinion all that much, and even in podcasts we give the good with the bad.

I know I'm not going to convince a lot of people of this fact but all I can do is pass it along and let each person take it for whatever they wish. My conscience is clear.

[JBHuskers]

There was nothing we were hiding when he got the game early. Any problems we had noticed were relayed to EA immediately. Considering there are a lot of people that haven't even come acrossed some of these issues, it is very easy to not see EVERYTHING in two weeks. The first patch didn't hit until a few days before release, so most of the time we had with the game before release was straight up the retail version. Some of these issues didn't come to light until after the first patch. All in all, nothing was hidden from anyone to drive sales or whatever idiotic spin people are trying to put on it.

Like I have said a million times, I am very frustrated with the problems this game is having; however, I'm still in 4 OD's and play in two offline dynasties from time to time and can do so just fine. The majority of people will agree with that, but you have certain loud trolls that only show up when things go wrong to magnify them...and put the blame on us.

[griffin2608]

I hope you guys don't think my post are just about railing the community guys it is not intended to be that way. My point is all the interaction from multiple places and nothing changes. That's all I personally like all of you guys feedback.

[psuexv]

Look I did not mean to call out anyone and that includes anyone with the prospect of going to community days in the future but here is my reasoning for being pissed. There were multiple people with access to the game through out the development cycle from this site and multiple others and they all received early copies of the game. But not once during that time did I hear or read anyone point out the issues with the game. There were obvious problems but no one said so even after the embargo lift. If there was a time when those guys relayed those issues to ea, they knew about those issues and fixes should have began to be worked out. The patch took forever and I have been waiting for them. Now it's sept 9th and I really don't even see the reason to download the patch. Nothing about that post had any influence from anywhere but common sense. If I would have attended a community day and came back point out every issue with the game and had a negative (truthful) outlook you bet your ass I would not be invited back. My outlook is the same as it was 2 years ago. The NCAA series will not change until it is taken out of the Tiburon Studio.

Come on man... these guys are just like you and I. They are excited to get the game and play it, not over analyze every detail. Plus when the did have it early they tried to answer all of the questions from posters about the game. I don't know where the tread is but :sf: went through like 4 pages of answering peoples ratings questions.

[JBHuskers]

I hope you guys don't think my post are just about railing the community guys it is not intended to be that way. My point is all the interaction from multiple places and nothing changes. That's all I personally like all of you guys feedback.

Well basically you told us to remove our lips from EA's ass and personally insulted Ben Haumiller, how else are we supposed to take it?

[psuexv]

:bp:



I hope you guys don't think my post are just about railing the community guys it is not intended to be that way. My point is all the interaction from multiple places and nothing changes. That's all I personally like all of you guys feedback.


Well basically you told us to remove our lips from EA's ass and personally insulted Ben Haumiller, how else are we supposed to take it?

[griffin2608]

Come on man... these guys are just like you and I. They are excited to get the game and play it, not over analyze every detail. Plus when the did have it early they tried to answer all of the questions from posters about the game. I don't know where the tread is but :sf: went through like 4 pages of answering peoples ratings questions.

I know I think everyone is taking me the wrong way and that post from that rhombic character gave what I was trying to say an negative spin.

[JBHuskers]

I know I think everyone is taking me the wrong way and that post from that rhombic character gave what I was trying to say an negative spin.

Not really. You posted before he did, and your post was pretty specific:


I'm officially pissed off now. Anyone who can defend this shit needs to remove their lips from some ass and quit hoping they get invited to community day next year. Complete bull shit! It takes this long to come out with this patch and this is what they have been doing? Does anyone else see why they are pushing the digital download crap for their garbage so you can't trade in or sell these games when they fail. I am a huge football fan but ea sports is really ruining gaming for me. Sad thing is how big football is here and the best sport games made are for NBA by 2k and MLB the show by Sony. College basket ball was awesome but ea had to ruin that too. I hope things change but I do not believe they will with the guys who run the show especially fat head haumiller. I can't stand his dumb ass.

[griffin2608]

Well basically you told us to remove our lips from EA's ass and personally insulted Ben Haumiller, how else are we supposed to take it?

I told the entire media base to remove their lips from some ass! I do not like Ben Haumillers antiics or his ability to answer questions when someone from the media asks tough questions nor the way things are done by EA. Nor do I like the way games are reviewed. If you guys take it personal then I can offer you a apology. Good luck next year.

[Deuce]

I hope you guys don't think my post are just about railing the community guys it is not intended to be that way. My point is all the interaction from multiple places and nothing changes. That's all I personally like all of you guys feedback.

I think you're missing you're own point. EA changed a hell of a lot this year based on community feeback...problem is that half of it is broken. EA is the only one to blame for that.


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[JBHuskers]

So basically take that is an informal warning that next time you post any shit like that, you're gone.

[psuexv]

I know I think everyone is taking me the wrong way and that post from that rhombic character gave what I was trying to say an negative spin.

I think what your saying is pretty clear. You're upset, because you feel this information wasn't put out there with the guys that had early access


There were multiple people with access to the game through out the development cycle from this site and multiple others and they all received early copies of the game. But not once during that time did I hear or read anyone point out the issues with the game. There were obvious problems but no one said so even after the embargo lift

All I'm saying is that it's tough for these guys to point out all issues as they were bombarded with requests when we knew they got the game. And as G pointed out he really hasn't seen the major issues, honestly I haven't seen a number of them either personally.

I have started to noticed the SIM clock issue but we ran through an entire season in one OD and I was telling people I wasn't seeing it, started playing another OD and it's there.

[JBHuskers]

I told the entire media base to remove their lips from some ass! I do not like Ben Haumillers antiics or his ability to answer questions when someone from the media asks tough questions nor the way things are done by EA. Nor do I like the way games are reviewed. If you guys take it personal then I can offer you a apology. Good luck next year.

Well you clearly threw a community day comment in that sentence, and guess what, a lot of people from this site were there this year.

Once again, this is an informal warning, that type of shit will not be tolerated here. There are other sites that specialize in that useless behavior.

[griffin2608]

So basically take that is an informal warning that next time you post any shit like that, you're gone.

10-4 capt'n

[JBHuskers]

Speaking of the sim clock issue, has anyone checked this yet? My OD's are either a user game or a bye week, so I can't check right off the bat here.

[morsdraconis]

I know I think everyone is taking me the wrong way and that post from that rhombic character gave what I was trying to say an negative spin.

You still specifically said this:


Anyone who can defend this shit needs to remove their lips from some ass and quit hoping they get invited to community day next year. Complete bull shit!

How the fuck else is that supposed to be taken besides you calling out the guys who run this website? Looks pretty clear cut to me and it fuckin' pisses me off because, as psuexv said earlier, these guys are just normal guys that have the benefit of being part of the community's voice for the game. I can guarantee you that if you had an actual genuinely constructive thing to add to the conversation about making it better, they'd do their best to pass it along to EA so that your voice actually gets heard. You badmouthing guys that, while I don't know personally, I very much respect and enjoy being a part of the community with makes me VERY angry and I didn't actually promise to hold back my forum flaming, I'd call you every thing in the book.

[griffin2608]

Oh gawd I'm sorry! Now I'm being attacked! Your words are terrifying. Jesus, never mind.

[oweb26]

This thread is better than maury.

Please guys don't stop.

Where is that damn popcorn. :popcorn:
Lol

[JBHuskers]

Mors showing constraint .... our little baby is all grows up!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEGiVaXpj94

[uf83198]

Ummm... Actually it fixed everything that you mentioned. With the exception of the no huddle which is a new problem.

Well I guess you cell phone example doesn't make sense to me as most of these issues are new to this years game so you're not really buying a product the same product and only some of the features work. Last years game was fairly bug free, other than some gameplay improvements and they will always need to make game play improvements.

Have you even played the game post patch? I guess not by reading your post. Every one of these are still in the game. The only one I couldnt check was the dynasty one. Dont comment on it if you have no idea. Or at least put that these problems havent occured to you yet. By saying that it fixed everything, you are spreading blatant lies.

[griffin2608]

You still specifically said this:



How the fuck else is that supposed to be taken besides you calling out the guys who run this website? Looks pretty clear cut to me and it fuckin' pisses me off because, as psuexv said earlier, these guys are just normal guys that have the benefit of being part of the community's voice for the game. I can guarantee you that if you had an actual genuinely constructive thing to add to the conversation about making it better, they'd do their best to pass it along to EA so that your voice actually gets heard. You badmouthing guys that, while I don't know personally, I very much respect and enjoy being a part of the community with makes me VERY angry and I didn't actually promise to hold back my forum flaming, I'd call you every thing in the book.

Funny thing is everyone with their panties in a wad, quoted my saying ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS. That's right, ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS, I don't recall anyone defending the issues. But that is moot isn't it? Clan mentality. I'll never understand it.

[JBHuskers]

Funny thing is everyone with their panties in a wad, quoted my saying ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS. That's right, ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS, I don't recall anyone defending the issues. But that is moot isn't it? Clan mentality. I'll never understand it.

Yeah but by throwing in that community day line, you were implying the guys from here that went to this year's community day were defending them. Backpedalling is something I'll never understand either.

[Deuce]

Funny thing is everyone with their panties in a wad, quoted my saying ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS. That's right, ANYONE WHO CAN DEFEND THIS, I don't recall anyone defending the issues. But that is moot isn't it? Clan mentality. I'll never understand it.

When you attack people by name people tend to ignore everything you say. If you just want to talk about the issues...just talk about the issues.


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[JBHuskers]

Exactly so back on point...has anyone who's playing a coordinator checked out the sim clock yet? Has it been fixed to where the CPU has more than a 1:30 or less drive every time?

[griffin2608]

So you guys were the only ones that went to community day? I thought that it was multiple representatives from multiple sites. I don't give a shit how my post was taken I have tried to explain multiple times but I guess it's not getting through. You want to ban me go for it. It is obvious no one can look any further than feeling like I am lying. So either ban me or please delete my user name beacuse just like other sites that I stay away from if you are not on a mods buddy list you can't say anything.

[JBHuskers]

It's not being on a buddy list. It's about being constructive. What you posted earlier was far from constructive, and again I said you have an informal warning from it, now just move on.

[Deuce]

Come on man...quit fanning the flames. All you have to do is not name names and you'll be fine. Have you read Oneback's posts? He's unhappy but didn't name names. Just admit you took it too far and move on. Let's talk about the issues so we can relay them to EA so they can screw something else up. ;)


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[ram29jackson]

Huh? You can't be serious? :fp:


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I honestly dont consider his posts any worse than MorsD... I respect the guy, his and Gschwendt's youtube vids were what helped me see more things and like the game more..and learn Ark State was a school with a team LOL

[ram29jackson]

in any case..

EA please fix the wide receiver blocking ASAP, dont let this be the final version !

I want to run the ball without feeling guilty or be able to defend it for that matter

Patch it, tune it , what ever, just please hurry up and do it !

[Kwizzy]

Long story short I think is that people are confusing our efforts to provide feedback & how that feedback is used. Once we have sent it to EA, it's completely out of our hands.

Now personally I had hoped, and was under the impression that that feedback would be used in a more productive manner and believe me that before I take any more of my precious few vacation days to participate in these events I will be discussing with EA how my feedback is being used. I don't think anybody who went to the events would tell you that they are satisfied with how our feedback has been used.

The bottom line here is that you can offer whatever opinion you have about the game, pissed off, game sucks, whatever (and I would agree with quite a few of those sentiments right now) but attacking those of us who went to the events and/or even the individual devs to an extent is crossing the line and ignorant. Anyone who wants to argue that needs to take a look at how a large corporation really runs & get a clue.

[bjrod9]

Anyone still having problems with custom playbook or should i just recreate a new one?

[Oneback]

So here is an email I got from EA about my eariler posts my response and the feedback. I've removed the names of the people involved, maybe something good will come of this, maybe not...my email was written at 3am so it is more of a rambling/rant style. I don't post this as a slam to EA but since I threw it out there earlier that I don't see new resources being thrown at gameplay, I have since been corrected...maybe there is hope. Only time will tell. Maybe this will ease some people's fears or piss them off more but if it is in fact true and you put aside the fact that I feel there was no real testing of this patch prior to release, the powers that be at EA are just as frustrated as you and I:



Hey Man,

Saw your posts over at TGT. Totally get the frustration, but I wouldn’t say that guys are not taking that feedback into consideration. I know redacted, redacted, and redacted have all been looking through the many feedback notes that you’ve sent through and have been looking at ways to incorporate it into the series moving forward. At the end of the day it is your opinion and you’re free to post what you want at this point which you have. But, I want you to know that you’re always welcome to reach out to me directly with your thoughts/concerns as well. Hope all is well man.

Thanks,

Redacted




Redacted,

It's beyond frustration at this point, every time you turn around there is another game issue that needs to be dealt with or looked over to make the game remotely playable and patch 2 only made the product worse. The improved WR blocking fix isn't a fix at all, it's killing the AI so the player doesn't react thus making things unbalanced. Right now the DB either sits there and does nothing while in zone or runs backwards 15 yards when in man coverage, this isn't improved WR blocking, improved WR blocking would entail the WR actually blocking the defender. I understand there is no current ability to have assignment based blocking or to have X-blocker assigned to block X-defender which after what 25 years of making a football game is quite mind boggling as its the most fundamental element of offensive football but I digress.

I've sent numerous emails to the game play team about cover 2 only to get the following response from Redacted:

Sorry for the late response on this. Thank you for the information on the Cover 2 Defense.
You see many users including myself want to be sure that when they call Cover 2 the Flats will be covered. Against the Four Verticals play a more appropriate Cover 2 defense would be our Cover 2 Sink play. On this play all underneath zone defenders will get more depth and carry receivers longer to give more of the effect you are describing.

I really hope I don't have to point out the fallacy in this but I will...as a defensive play caller you do not know the offensive call and while I agree Cover 2 would be great if the offense only threw short 3-step routes or to the flat all the time, unfortunately football does not work this way, offense's have a tendency to throw deep from time to time...now in real life you can still call Cover 2 and live with the results, in NCAA if you call Cover 2 against 4 verts or anything where two receivers threaten the deep safety the result is a touchdown.

I've provided two notebooks full of information, sent a breakdown of defensive alignments, complete breakdowns of pattern reading coverage's including diagrams and while it's kinda cool to get a few of my plays into the game (some of which are un-useable which passed along as well) I'm not seeing what other benefit there has been to the amount of time I have spent putting this information together. At least not with responses like that above, listen if the answer up front would have been we don't have a way to make it work like it does in real life maybe it'd be a little easier to take but when the answer is as it was what response is there: oh that's great that you want to do it that way, however that's not how it's done and here are the issues it creates.

I've thought about sitting down and putting together a complete defensive coverage playbook including alignments and coverage calls and send it along to the gameplay guys but if it's going to be done the way they want it to be done and not the way it should be done, what's the point?

As for the game I don't know it it is due to limited play time pre-release but I don't remember seeing a lot of these problems back in February, but starting with the E3 footage you could tell there were serious issues with the game which were confirmed once I got my copy and now two patches later some of those issues haven't been fixed and others have been created. I know I didn't have to pay money for the game this year but when you add up all the time invested I have more than $60 invested and for the last 15 days my online dynasty has been at a standstill because of some of the issues with the game and the fact that members are able to complete a game against each other at a rate of 30%, this is unacceptable and now with patch 2 its only made things worse which means my online dynasty members that have played NCAA year round for the last three years are ready to give it up. We are now 2 months after release and the game is not playable online due to disconnections, and the newly introduced issues and now we will probably be asked to wait until a 3rd patch comes out in another month if ever.

I've been a firm supporter of EA and would really like to help make this the best sports game on the market, but the latest developments have really put me over the edge and completely see where some of the frustration/hatred of NCAA comes from with sites like Utopia.

The people inside the building that are making decisions on game play should have at least a fundamental knowledge of the game at a coaches level not just try to decipher what they see in a playbook they purchased off of coachteed.com or watched on film. There are so many fundamental problems with the game I don't know where to begin and while I was in the building I tried to put some of those aside and provide feedback that would allow the features being implemented function at a good level. I have a lot of knowledge about the game of football I would love to share to make NCAA better but it seems like there are a lot of roadblocks being put up to pass a long that information, which is where the "this is how we are going to do it comment" came from. I'm still in awe six months later how simplistic the system is for generating plays, there needs to be a lot of functionality added to that system. If you guys would make the game more true to life the game may actually become easier to the "Johnny Walmart's" as they wouldn't have to cover for the horrible AI.

I understand there are a lot of guys that work on this game and I'm sure a lot of hard work goes into it, but there is a reason why the community has been disappointed for the past 5+ years. It would be nice to see the level of detail put into the game play like SECA and 2K do with MLB and NBA instead of what seems to be a focus on making the game look pretty, I've got to admit though it looks really sharp...unfortunately like a women that is all looks and nothing else you end up moving on...let's get the looks with some sustenance please.

I completely understand if you guys are pissed at me for going off today, but at some point something has got to change as this patch is only one in a long line of issues, a lot of these issues of which still haven't been fixed since 2003.

Thanks for reading my novel,

Oneback




Thanks for the response Oneback. I'm not pissed at all. I wanted to check in because I personally don't want to lose you as a community guy or a supporter of the game. As you stated, there is only so much that can be done to fix these issues you mentioned this year with tech, but don't take that to mean it can't/won't be fixed moving forward.

I think you saw this, but we are doubling the size of our gameplay teams and making it the largest team moving forward which will allow for greater improvements than ever before. I personally give you my word on that.

Let's stay in touch and can you personally send me your feedback moving forward? I'll make sure it gets to the gameplay decision makers. Thanks man.


So here's to NCAA 13, may it be better than NCAA 12!

I'll send my feedback because I care about making this game better, I'm still pissed about the current state of the game but I'm not going to turn my back on the community because I am pissed...I'll post my feedback in the NCAA Playbook section on TGT once I've done so, it'll be in the hands of EA to get implemented and working. I can hope that's what happens.

[Deuce]

Thanks for posting that Oneback.


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[plotty]

Sounds like EA just went Buffalo Bills of the early 90's with this patch...lots of potential only to flub it up in the last seconds and not win it all. Hope there is a way to avoid the patch, as I don't do the online thing besides rosters.

And for what its worth, I'm just the standard joe armchair videogamer coach guy...the game plays fine for me...because in the end, its a game.

[ram29jackson]

thats great ! but they still better fix 12, its only a few weeks old

[AustinWolv]

Oneback, good read, thanks for taking the time.

[Dr Death]

Doesn't even need to be big name guys. Just grab local high school or small college coaches for a small fee for each one. And each one should be selected based on what he knows, i.e. find a guy that runs a WCO attack, a gun that runs an option attack, a guy that runs a pass-based spread, a guy that runs spread option, a guy that runs 4-3 Cover2, a guy that runs 335, and so on.
Should be very cheap to do so on a one-time consultant thing for a day to get the high-level basics and then you bring those guys back in now and then with small fees to iron out the small stuff.

Hell, high school coaches go to coaching clinics put on by the big-name coaches every damn summer and learn this stuff, so why couldn't EA pay to do the same?

Here's the thing... I have e-mailed them, many different times, and offered to come down to their studios, w/ my R&S playbooks and knowledge, and teach them this offense and how to get it properly implemented in the game. Each e-mail is met w/ total and complete silence. As I use the same handle on every site I am on, it wouldn't be that difficult for them to have someone look up my posts and see that, yeah, this guy knows the R&S and knows what he's talking about.

But they continually ignore my plea to help them! :fp: And here's the kicker... I have never asked for one single thing in return. I just want the damn offense properly implemented in the game! And by that, what I mean is the offense would be fully implemented, not just 3 plays, each route and each option route would be correct and... all the plays would have the correct names. But again... these requests to help them go ignored. So... really... what else can one do?

[Rudy]

I will admit that I wish the community day guys would post more impressions of the football games (some post more than others). I'd actually like to see a review of both Madden and NCAA here. I know I can post some knee-jerk reactions at times but I'd love to see more of that from the community day guys. Call them initial impressions but those initial thoughts are often interesting. Then you can track and see if you feel the same way a week later. Whether I agree with you guys is irrelevant, I'd just like to see more feedback either way.

[AustinWolv]

Here's the thing... I have e-mailed them, many different times, and offered to come down to their studios, w/ my R&S playbooks and knowledge, and teach them this offense and how to get it properly implemented in the game. Each e-mail is met w/ total and complete silence. As I use the same handle on every site I am on, it wouldn't be that difficult for them to have someone look up my posts and see that, yeah, this guy knows the R&S and knows what he's talking about.

But they continually ignore my plea to help them! :fp: And here's the kicker... I have never asked for one single thing in return. I just want the damn offense properly implemented in the game! And by that, what I mean is the offense would be fully implemented, not just 3 plays, each route and each option route would be correct and... all the plays would have the correct names. But again... these requests to help them go ignored. So... really... what else can one do?

I appreciate that you took the time to offer help to them, but I don't know you from Adam. Do they?

As an engineer that works in development, if some random guy emailed me with an offer to help me design notebook computers, I'd think it a little strange also..............

However, like I said, I don't know you, so maybe you have a lot to offer......here's the kicker........you can only help someone who wants to be helped. Until they decide to go to that next real football step and enlist help, it is what it is.

[Dr Death]

I appreciate that you took the time to offer help to them, but I don't know you from Adam. Do they?

As an engineer that works in development, if some random guy emailed me with an offer to help me design notebook computers, I'd think it a little strange also..............

However, like I said, I don't know you, so maybe you have a lot to offer......here's the kicker........you can only help someone who wants to be helped. Until they decide to go to that next real football step and enlist help, it is what it is.

To be honest, no, they don't know me. But many people here and on other sites like this know of my knowledge of the R&S and this dates back roughly 10 years. {I've been studying this offense since the early 90's} I get messages all the time from people that say... I remember in 2004 when you helped me w/ this... etc... Like I said, just looking at my posts they would be able to find all the information they need to know regarding whether or not I know the offense. And I appreciate your analogy, but let's be honest, designing notebook computers and understanding an offense are two totally different things.

It just gets frustrating when you know you can help someone make their product better... and they ignore it. But, like you said... you can only help someone who wants to be helped.

[gschwendt]

Just FYI... at this point I would highly, highly recommend not converting old playbooks and instead just create new playbooks.

VERY peculiar issue occurred when I was going through my old playbooks one after the other... I can almost guarantee that it was somehow merging the first two. Then, the third one I looked at was a defensive playbook and it said I had 399 plays selected and 34 formations (there aren't 34 defensive formations available) when it only showed 12 selected formations, and at least two of the original ones I had selected were missing.

Again, I can't stress enough, don't convert an old custom playbook... it will only create additional possible headache for you.

[Pig Bomb]

To be honest, no, they don't know me. But many people here and on other sites like this know of my knowledge of the R&S and this dates back roughly 10 years. {I've been studying this offense since the early 90's} I get messages all the time from people that say... I remember in 2004 when you helped me w/ this... etc... Like I said, just looking at my posts they would be able to find all the information they need to know regarding whether or not I know the offense. And I appreciate your analogy, but let's be honest, designing notebook computers and understanding an offense are two totally different things.

It just gets frustrating when you know you can help someone make their product better... and they ignore it. But, like you said... you can only help someone who wants to be helped.
ya... the problem is that they have a paid member of the staff there doing the job you want to "help" them with...i'd imagine he and any of his friends that work in the studio would block any of your attempts to help, for fear of making them look stupid or bad or whatever...

if you could package your ideas into a packet of info that someone could easily read and understand, then submit it to the guy who does that job you might have some success...he could use your info/ideas without feeling threatened or showed up

i believe the guy you need to get with was on the "making of" show episode 2... when they went to show the GT coach the work they did on option plays

[psuexv]

Have you even played the game post patch? I guess not by reading your post. Every one of these are still in the game. The only one I couldnt check was the dynasty one. Dont comment on it if you have no idea. Or at least put that these problems havent occured to you yet. By saying that it fixed everything, you are spreading blatant lies.

So you had the game freeze, DBs didn't step up and you can't advance past week 15?

I have played it, the message they put out says it's fixed and I didn't run into these yet so how am I lying?

[Dr Death]

ya... the problem is that they have a paid member of the staff there doing the job you want to "help" them with...i'd imagine he and any of his friends that work in the studio would block any of your attempts to help, for fear of making them look stupid or bad or whatever...

if you could package your ideas into a packet of info that someone could easily read and understand, then submit it to the guy who does that job you might have some success...he could use your info/ideas without feeling threatened or showed up

i believe the guy you need to get with was on the "making of" show episode 2... when they went to show the GT coach the work they did on option plays

Thanks. There's a couple of problems as I see it... first, the R&S is an offense that is best explained face to face. I've been able to help some people understand it better through posting... but I also can't see their eyes and if they are truly getting it or not. It's not a simple offense. And sending them a packet... for this offense, that would be an extensive package, and after reading Oneback's posts... I would really hate to go to all that work if it just ended up in a dumpster in back of EA studios.

The other problem is... and I realize we're just speculating here... but if they are that insecure in their job, then EA games are never going to be true to real life. Put it this way... if EA or some other company hired me to implement offenses in a computer football game, my comfort level would be like this:

R&S - 100%
Air Raid - 100%
WCO - 95%
Spread - 95%
Option - 5%

So when I got started at my new job, I would immediately seek out someone who knows the Option offense and do everything I could to have them explain, in the smallest details, every intricate aspect of that offense. Because, at some point, pride has to factor into all of this. Do we want to put out a game that claims to have the R&S offense when it really only has 3 true R&S plays and all the others have been in the game for years, or do we want to do what's best for the game?

If it were me, I would want what is best for the game. And if my boss walks over to me and says, 'Hey, people are LOVING the Option offense this year. Way to go!' I would say, 'You know, I don't know fuck-all about that offense. But I found someone who does and I spent time w/ him learning every aspect of the offense. So the credit, really, should go to him.'

I just can't understand people that are so insecure that they wouldn't do this. Would they rather tell their boss that someone helped them out or have the mess they currently have on their hands? The answer seems pretty simple to me.

Thanks for your response though. It's something to consider.

[mnguy]

:fp:I give up...this game is broken beyond belief...I don't know how you guys keep up the naive belief that EA can fix this shit after years and years of them proving again and again that they cannot....good luck with that. Lookin forward to NBA 2K12:D

[Pig Bomb]

:fp:I give up...this game is broken beyond belief...I don't know how you guys keep up the naive belief that EA can fix this shit after years and years of them proving again and again that they cannot....good luck with that. Lookin forward to NBA 2K12:D

i think because the game was very playable for alot of peole and now the patch has caused issues in no-huddle...i think they can fix that, maybe quickly.... if not im sure people will just move on and play something else unfotunately

in any case EA has shown they do listen to the forums and try to fix stuff... obviously they've done a shitty job this time...but since i have no other NCAA game to play i can hope they will fix it

[mnguy]

i think because the game was very playable for alot of peole and now the patch has caused issues in no-huddle...i think they can fix that, maybe quickly.... if not im sure people will just move on and play something else unfotunately

in any case EA has shown they do listen to the forums and try to fix stuff... obviously they've done a shitty job this time...but since i have no other NCAA game to play i can hope they will fix it
:confused: have they ever fixed anything quickly before? This is my point, how can you still believe that when there is no prior evidence that supports that....In fact, there is much evidence AGAINST it!

[I OU a Beatn]

in any case EA has shown they do listen to the forums and try to fix stuff... obviously they've done a shitty job this time...but since i have no other NCAA game to play i can hope they will fix it

Not really. I can name off at least 3 glitches that have been in the game since '04.

[coogrfan]

As far as I'm concerned there is no patch; as a person who rolls primarily with my beloved Coogs the inability to run an up tempo no-huddle attack renders the game unplayable. Guess I'll just have to deal with the freezes. :(

[bdoughty]

I will admit that I wish the community day guys would post more impressions of the football games (some post more than others). I'd actually like to see a review of both Madden and NCAA here. I know I can post some knee-jerk reactions at times but I'd love to see more of that from the community day guys. Call them initial impressions but those initial thoughts are often interesting. Then you can track and see if you feel the same way a week later. Whether I agree with you guys is irrelevant, I'd just like to see more feedback either way.

There is only on true judge of a video game. YOU. I have no clue why you care to see a review here? It is just one persons opinion. There is a ton of information leading up to a games release, why on earth do you need some review that would end up coming out days after release. When in doubt just rent the game. Maybe I am just old and grumpy but there was a time when all you got was a Gamepro Magazine, a blurb and a couple screenshots to help make your decision. Games back then were as high if not higher then they are right now (then add inflation) and you might just see what a bargain these games are compared to the glory days.

I knew sleeping in was a good idea. The absurdity of some of the posters (insulting Ben and mocking his weight and that Game Changers are somehow part of the problem) just makes me. :fp:

[Rudy]

There is only on true judge of a video game. YOU. I have no clue why you care to see a review here? It is just one persons opinion. There is a ton of information leading up to a games release, why on earth do you need some review that would end up coming out days after release. When in doubt just rent the game. Maybe I am just old and grumpy but there was a time when all you got was a Gamepro Magazine, a blurb and a couple screenshots to help make your decision. Games back then were as high if not higher then they are right now (then add inflation) and you might just see what a bargain these games are compared to the glory days.

I knew sleeping in was a good idea. The absurdity of some of the posters (insulting Ben and mocking his weight and that Game Changers are somehow part of the problem) just makes me. :fp:

That makes no sense. Of course the ultimate judge if a game is myself but we come to forums to discuss opinions and ideas. Isn't that the point of the forums? And when community day guys have the game well in advance it's nice to get advanced impressions. As far reviews, I don't expect them right away but at some point they are interesting to read.

I do get sick of the backlash against criticism on this site when people day we should grateful for how games have advanced in the last 20 years. If you truly only cared about your opinion then jet ignore mine.

[bdoughty]

Or ignore mine, see it works both ways. Last I checked the Game Changers here have lives and such. Getting the game early is a nice perk but i do not expect them to go crazy with updates and info. We get plenty of it as it is. I understand there are the types of people who can only enjoy a game if the consensus also enjoy it. Those who spend more time on the forums reading about the game then actually playing it. Same goes for people who live to work on sliders trying to create the perfect sim. The reality is the majority of people who buy NCAA 12 just open it up and play it. Hey there is a patch, download, go back to playing.

It is a video game, a hobby, something that should bring you joy after a long day of work and such.

Sure we use this forum to discuss issues with the game, etc but there is a limit to what all the forum complaining is going to do.

Allow me to save you some time when next year rolls around.

NCAA 13 will be released.
it will have bugs.
it will get patched and things will still be broken.

[jwallace0317]

Love this thread.

One guy going off about he repeatedly emails EA offering to come down to the studios with his notebooks, and wondering why EA has never accepted such a creepy overture.

One guy who's spent too much time in Dr. Who's time-traveling telephone booth...says the game's been out a few weeks, when it's been out TWO MONTHS.

One guy who says the patch fixed everything. Other guy says the patch fixed nothing.

One guy taking a big sphincter-stretching shit on the community day guys, then spends 10,000 words in follow up posts arguing and debating about what he said and what he meant in his original post.

One guy using the patch issue as a reason to complain about a celebration aspect touted in NCAA 11, not NCAA 12.

Yup, another fine NCAA thread! LOL

[gigemaggs99]

One guy using the patch issue as a reason to complain about a celebration aspect touted in NCAA 11, not NCAA 12.



I believe that would be me sir, I was just wondering why it still shows it on the loading screens yet you can't do it. I guess to make things simpler I should have started a completely different thread. My mistake, either way, glad you're trolling.

[Deuce]

I think we need a group hug.


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[bdoughty]

I think we need a group hug.


Someone would complain the hug took to long to make.
Game Changers would be blamed for not making a proper group hug.
Some would not let Ben join in on the hug.
Rudy would want a before, during and after writeup about the hug.

[Deuce]

:D.


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[gigemaggs99]

For what it's worth, I posted this "elsewhere"

This patch must be a big deal. I'm reading here and other places...it's wild...in a single day 24 hour period I've never seen so many people getting warnings, bans, etc...here and other sites.

I guess when it comes down to it, this patch has people really worked up.

Maybe it's time to take a break. It is after-all just a video game. Remember when we were kids and went outside to throw a football with friends? I never see that anymore, when my wife and I go outside for walks, we see people our age (30s) and much older, but you NEVER see kids outside. I'm 34 and I have a basketball goal on my driveway, I play outside a lot and ride my bike, maybe I'm weird but video games aren't life. They are a nice hobby but to take them to the extent of bashing people, posting their personnel/public information...that seems a bit much.

Thanks for your time.

[SmoothPancakes]

I think we need a group hug.


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[Deuce]

I didn't say anything about hugging in the shower. :D :D


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[Dr Death]

Love this thread.

One guy going off about he repeatedly emails EA offering to come down to the studios with his notebooks, and wondering why EA has never accepted such a creepy overture.



I'll be the mature one here... first of all, the e-mails were not of a creepy overture. Secondly, they aren't notebooks, they're actual playbooks from Mouse Davis/June Jones and thirdly if you enjoy being told a certain offense is in the game and then you get the game and see it's actually represented by about 1% and you're fine w/ that... then good for you. I was taking an active role to try and get what they promoted actually, you know, in the game.

Plenty of people know my knowledge of the R&S and I have also extended my offers to some of those here who have been part of the group that went down there. Personally, I find it frustrating when we're told... Hey, we have the Run & Shoot offense in this year! Only to find out that's as false of a statement as ever has been uttered in the history of marketing.

So if you're happy w/ the game as it is, then enjoy it. If people trying to elicit change for the better for this series is something that you find funny then that tells me all I need to know about you.

[AustinWolv]

Someone would complain the hug took to long to make.
Game Changers would be blamed for not making a proper group hug.
Some would not let Ben join in on the hug.
Rudy would want a before, during and after writeup about the hug.

Beautiful post, well-played. I salute you as that was a good laugh needed in this thread.

[Architekto]

Just FYI... at this point I would highly, highly recommend not converting old playbooks and instead just create new playbooks.

VERY peculiar issue occurred when I was going through my old playbooks one after the other... I can almost guarantee that it was somehow merging the first two. Then, the third one I looked at was a defensive playbook and it said I had 399 plays selected and 34 formations (there aren't 34 defensive formations available) when it only showed 12 selected formations, and at least two of the original ones I had selected were missing.

Again, I can't stress enough, don't convert an old custom playbook... it will only create additional possible headache for you.


Just FYI... at this point I would highly, highly recommend not converting old playbooks and instead just create new playbooks.

VERY peculiar issue occurred when I was going through my old playbooks one after the other... I can almost guarantee that it was somehow merging the first two. Then, the third one I looked at was a defensive playbook and it said I had 399 plays selected and 34 formations (there aren't 34 defensive formations available) when it only showed 12 selected formations, and at least two of the original ones I had selected were missing.

Again, I can't stress enough, don't convert an old custom playbook... it will only create additional possible headache for you.

Weirdest thing with my cpb. Pre patch I had a working cpb, no missing plays, no unwanted formations with one play, etc. I used Georgia Tech as based and completely changed it to a multiple offense, only flexbone that was left was the default goaline. After reading all this I was expecting to find a complete mess, but its not bad. A few oddities:

It seems like I have all my formations and plays, this includes I tight. I can use it in practice mode even tho its not shown on the cpb interface.

There are 4 flexbone formations with one play each and another with 5 plays that I can't get rid of at the cpb interface.

My questions is, is it safe to play with it? I would hate to take it into an od game and have it glitch on me. I find it so weird that pre patch my playbook was maxed out in terms of plays and now it seems like I have everything plus those extra formations/plays...

[JeffHCross]

And I appreciate your analogy, but let's be honest, designing notebook computers and understanding an offense are two totally different things.Think about it another way: You're offering to help them with something that they know they're supposed to know. I'm not saying that EA would have a problem with that -- I don't personally believe they do -- but I have seen people go apeshit when someone outside their group tries to "help", all because they feel like that person is telling them to do their job.


It just gets frustrating when you know you can help someone make their product better... I know your pain, but also keep in mind that every decision at every company, not just EA and not just the game industry, gets evaluated at a level high above the individual gameplay guys or designers. Team leads and managers have a ton of power, relative to Joe Average, but they still can't sign off on everything that sounds like a good idea. If they had unlimited budget and unlimited time, I'm 100% certain that they would love to get someone like you to sit down with their playbooks guys and go through the R&S. But that's tons easier said than done. If you have soft copies of the playbooks, and you think that would help, send them my way, I can get them to the right person. I understand what you mean about it being easier face-to-face though, so I'll leave the "helpful" call up to you.

As for this whole discussion on what Community Day guys can or can't do, Kwizzy's post was spot on (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?3570-NCAA-Football-12-Patch-2-Now-Available&p=103384&viewfull=1#post103384).

[JBHuskers]

Someone would complain the hug took to long to make.
Game Changers would be blamed for not making a proper group hug.
Some would not let Ben join in on the hug.
Rudy would want a before, during and after writeup about the hug.

^^^^^

At least someone gets it.

[Roy38]

What is the purpose of Game Changers? What is the benefit to this website to be involved with it? Are you compensated in any way?

[Pig Bomb]

What is the purpose of Game Changers? What is the benefit to this website to be involved with it? Are you compensated in any way?

http://insideblog.easports.com/archive/2010/02/10/introducing-the-ea-sports-game-changers-program.aspx

[JBHuskers]

Never mind...I see what the problem is on no huddle.

[JBHuskers]

Looks like the sim clock for the OD is working better. The CPU opened the 2nd half with a 3:20 drive.

I don't remember ever getting the ball in the 2nd half with 4:41 left (in 8 min qtrs).

[uf83198]

So you had the game freeze, DBs didn't step up and you can't advance past week 15?

I have played it, the message they put out says it's fixed and I didn't run into these yet so how am I lying?

Cause you said the patch fixed these things and thats not true. Just because a message says so, or because you havent run into these problems, doesnt mean it is fixed.

[Roy38]

http://insideblog.easports.com/archive/2010/02/10/introducing-the-ea-sports-game-changers-program.aspx

So, the purpose of Game Changers program is to improve the EA Sports experience and continued growth of the EA Sports community, correct?

The benefit to this website is having a close connection with the people at EA Sports, early access to EA Sports games, and the ability to pass on feedback and give recommendations to product design, development, and support, is that correct also?

What kind of compensation did the targeted members receive? Free air travel? Food? Hotel commendations? Pay? Free game?

[gigemaggs99]

Cause you said the patch fixed these things and thats not true. Just because a message says so, or because you havent run into these problems, doesnt mean it is fixed.

DUDE move on, he can't fix them.

NEWS FLASH a patch came out, there are issues, unless I missed a post somewhere stating all these guys work for EA and can actually go in and change the gaming code (WHICH I HOPE I DIDN'T MISS THAT POST OR HERE WE GO AGAIN) all they can do is post their thoughts and opinions. You on the other hand just want to keep arguing he said she said stuff.

The game is a "work in progress" move on.

[Deuce]

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[oweb26]

EA needs to fuck up more often this site is never this busy on a friday night. This is some amusing shit, great break from studying.

Where's that damn popcorn again. :popcorn:

On a more serious note, I do find it entertaining how people post here then go over "there" complaining about over here, but over here they are complaining about over "there". Get it? I went over "there" just to see what there just to see what was being said about over "here" and it truly is interesting what you find out. Who knew there was so much back drama.

Okay guys (and gals if their are any) continue on......

[JeffHCross]

So, the purpose of Game Changers program is to improve the EA Sports experience and continued growth of the EA Sports community, correct?One distinction that needs to be made is between the Game Changers program (of which cdj, gschwendt, JB and others are a part) and the Community Day events that were held for NCAA 12. You do not need to be a Game Changer in order to be a Community Day participant, and not all Game Changers are afforded the opportunity to participate in Community Day events. The goals, benefits, and expectations of each program are also slightly different.

[Roy38]

One distinction that needs to be made is between the Game Changers program (of which cdj, gschwendt, JB and others are a part) and the Community Day events that were held for NCAA 12. You do not need to be a Game Changer in order to be a Community Day participant, and not all Game Changers are afforded the opportunity to participate in Community Day events. The goals, benefits, and expectations of each program are also slightly different.

So the people involved with the Game Changers program and Community Day events are not necessarily the same. Who was able to participate in one or both from this website?

[Rudy]

EA needs to fuck more often this site is never this busy on a friday night. This is some amusing shit, great break from studying.

Where's that damn popcorn again. :popcorn:


LOL. It's past my bedtime. I think my wife's amazed I'm still awake.

[JeffHCross]

So the people involved with the Game Changers program and Community Day events are not necessarily the same. Who was able to participate in one or both from this website?Here's the list of people who were at the Community Day events this year: http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/content.php?379-NCAA-Football-12-Community-Day-Events

I don't know the current list of Game Changers.

[Paakaa10]

So the people involved with the Game Changers program and Community Day events are not necessarily the same. Who was able to participate in one or both from this website?

http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/ncaa-football-12-community-day-events


Here’s the entire list of attendees:

Chris Jacobs (CDJ) -- Game Changer, TGT
Jake Stein (JStein2469) -- Former Game Changer, Now on Madden NFL Development Team
Jeremy Bennett (JBHuskers) -- Game Changer, TGT
Damon Peterson (MPDamon) -- Game Changer, The Sports Game Guys
Jeff Setzer (Rynoaid) -- Game Changer, Tradition Sports Online
Tommy Gschwend (gschwendt) -- Game Changer, TGT
Anton Bland (AntonB) -- Game Changer
Jeff Holycross (JeffHCross) -- Community Member
Matt Kyler (kwizzy) -- Community Member, Became Game Changer Post-Events
Matt Lee (steelerfan) -- Community Member
Mike Gillett (Oneback) -- Community Member
Brian Parker (Paakaa10) -- Game Changer
Raymond Goode (Shopmaster) -- Game Changer, MyMaddenPad.com
David Johnson (MadScientist) -- Game Changer, MaddenMatrix.com
Dougie Veney (WhoIsDo) -- Game Changer, StickSkills.com
Kevin Vaughn (xROMO_9xwinz) -- Game Changer, ThruTheUprights.com

The text in italics above was added to the quote by me.

[JeffHCross]

The text in italics above was added to the quote by me.I knew you'd be along soon enough to post the info I didn't know :)

[Paakaa10]

So, the purpose of Game Changers program is to improve the EA Sports experience and continued growth of the EA Sports community, correct?

That is the purpose, correct.


The benefit to this website is having a close connection with the people at EA Sports, early access to EA Sports games, and the ability to pass on feedback and give recommendations to product design, development, and support, is that correct also?

A number of the members of the Game Changers programs own and maintain their own community websites. Obviously the intention of people in the program having these websites and forums is to help them collect information and feedback about the games with the hopes that passing that information along can result in improvements to the products.


What kind of compensation did the targeted members receive? Free air travel? Food? Hotel commendations? Pay? Free game?

Since many of the community event attendees were required to take time off from their employment--sometimes without having vacation time or paid time off to use to offset the time away--expenses were compensated. All community event attendees--not just those in the Game Changers program--also received a free copy of the game prior to retail release.

[bdoughty]

Brian Parker (Paakaa10) -- Game Changer

A Game Changer so badass he don't need no stinking affiliation to some website. He doesn't change the game the game changes for him. http://www.hawaiitalks.net/images/smilies/Smilies5/chuck_norris.gif

[Paakaa10]

Brian Parker (Paakaa10) -- Game Changer

A Game Changer so badass he don't need no stinking affiliation to some website. He doesn't change the game the game changes for him. http://www.hawaiitalks.net/images/smilies/Smilies5/chuck_norris.gif

Haha I suppose many would associate me with TGT since I've spent so much time here since the beginning of the year, but I actually didn't register an account here until after the first NCAA Football 12 community event in January.

Edit: And I'm not part of the moderator or ownership crew here, so I don't want to set myself beside CDJ, gschwendt, and JB who have put way more time and effort into building this community than I have.

[Architekto]

Does anybody know what this coaching strategy min on cpb mean? I keep getting this message while creating a playbook from scratch and doesn't allow me to get rid of some formations....

[gigemaggs99]

Question about the patch, if someone knows.....

Is this something that goes into the system via a backdoor password and actually changes the coding of the game data? Or do they have these contengencies put in place and then unlock them?

The reason I ask, it seems like a few years back on Madden durning Breast Cancer Awareness month they somehow unlocked pink shoes, gloves, wristbands, etc... they weren't there prior to that month. Is that something they added or something that was in the code and unlocked itself like time sensative data?

The reason I ask, ASU's new unis look pretty sweet to me. Is this something they can add or would it already need to be in there and then they unlock it? Either way, hopefully they will have them for NCAA 13. I like them :nod:

[Paakaa10]

Question about the patch, if someone knows.....

Is this something that goes into the system via a backdoor password and actually changes the coding of the game data? Or do they have these contengencies put in place and then unlock them?

The reason I ask, it seems like a few years back on Madden durning Breast Cancer Awareness month they somehow unlocked pink shoes, gloves, wristbands, etc... they weren't there prior to that month. Is that something they added or something that was in the code and unlocked itself like time sensative data?

I don't know for certain on this. I do know, however, that the EA SPORTS NHL series has uniforms on the game disc that are locked away at first until a password is released at a later date; typically once all of the locked uniforms have been debuted in real life. It isn't a patch that unlocks them, however, so I'm not sure there's any connection.

As for when Madden NFL 11 introduced the Breast Cancer Awareness presentation elements; I believe that was released as part of a post-release patch. I don't think it was anything as fancy as a time-release unlock. Though that does give me fond memories of arcade gaming and fighting games like Tekken and Soul Calibur where extra characters got unlocked after the machine had been on a set number of days.


The reason I ask, ASU's new unis look pretty sweet to me. Is this something they can add or would it already need to be in there and then they unlock it? Either way, hopefully they will have them for NCAA 13. I like them :nod:

Arizona State's new uniforms are in NCAA Football 12... mostly. The new gold helmet and the new black helmet are in, and the jerseys and pants are in as well. I believe the brown and white helmets are not in the game, though I don't think ASU has worn them this season yet.

EDIT: Bringing back the photogenic side of the game.
http://pursuitofperfection10.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ncaa12-azstate-1.png
http://pursuitofperfection10.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ncaa12-asuut-2.png

[Lohusker]

Here is what I have noticed:

Tuning patch downloaded for me tonight, this didn't come up last night after the title patch loaded. Did they not release together? Could that be why some are seeing differences on what is fixed and what isn't?

While I Tight doesn't show up in the customize program, it does show up when using the cpb in game (if you originally had I Tight in your cpb I presume)

When using triangle (PS3) for hurry-up, it is keeping me in the same formation and not going to shotgun as reported. Is the bug only when you use the aggressive tempo selection? Also, I was trying this in a play now game, not OD.

Something seems messed up with speed option now from SG. QB is taking a strange bucket step towards the line before you can head outside. It is almost like he is doing a read option or something. It prevents you from getting to the corner quick enough. Weren't they supposed to improve QB acceleration for speed option? It seems worse.

[AustinWolv]

And I appreciate your analogy, but let's be honest, designing notebook computers and understanding an offense are two totally different things.
Not necessarily.
Just because you understand an offense doesn't mean that you know how to code it and make logic algorithms (or whatever programmers use) to make it come to life in the game and work like a real player, just like some guy saying to add this feature or that attribute to a notebook computer because it would help an user with this or that knows how to actually design it to make that feature work correctly or be manufactured correctly.

In both cases, you have outside 'knowledge' that wants to share how to improve a product, but doesn't really 'know' what it takes to make that actually happen in the product design. That is what engineers/programmers are for and what EA should be striving to do.......product requirements in place that the programmers know what to meet and have a measurable method to know they met them........

Right now......their focus appears to be on adding/refining marketable features, not fixing the core fundamentals of football gameplay. And that hasn't changed in the next-gen series. As has been said for the past couple years now.....we're kind of stuck with what is there until the next-gen comes out IMO, because they seem to have a base code package that they keep using over and over.

[ram29jackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieVVVzV26sg

suure, steal my ideas LOL buuuut nooo, stealerfan doesnt make fun of you , oh no, LOL

[Unconquered]

Does anybody know what this coaching strategy min on cpb mean? I keep getting this message while creating a playbook from scratch and doesn't allow me to get rid of some formations....

It seems it has nothing to do with the number of plays in your playbook (I was getting that message with 350 plays in my book). It just seems that there are certain plays that CANNOT be removed from custom playbooks.

Your best bet is to choose a base playbook that matches your custom playbooks as closely as possible.

[TheRezyReb]

Well, there are def some changes that were made that are not listed in the blog! No huddle isn't the same for offense or defence. It no longer defaults to the previous play.... now goes to a base play out of the basic formation. Also, I have noticed that I don't have all of my special team plays i.e. onside return, normal punt return(all I get is punt block/punt man safe). Anyone else having issues with special teams?

[TheRezyReb]

I have noticed that I don't have all of my special team plays i.e. onside return, normal punt return(all I get is punt block/punt man safe).
As far as the "wild cat formations" they are still there, if you use a team that has them in their base playbook. I use Ole Miss, so when building a custom playbook the "WILD REBEL" dosen't show up as a play that I can install, however it is defaulted(?) in the sg set during the game. I'm strictly an online guy, so aside from the dico glitch and the running back walk thing, the game was fine, really no complaints--- UNTIL NOW! That being said, even with the no huddle issues(no I don't use it), it's still very playable.... face it we all have 3-5 plays that we pimarily like out of diff formations on offense and defence. AUDIBLES people! The no huddle issue has pro's and con's.... I like the fact that some asshat can't run no huddle goaline toss/counter for 95 yards, that being said, I'don't like the fact that I'm very limited on the "D" that I can call.

[oweb26]

Well, there are def some changes that were made that are not listed in the blog! No huddle isn't the same for offense or defence. It no longer defaults to the previous play.... now goes to a base play out of the basic formation. Also, I have noticed that I don't have all of my special team plays i.e. onside return, normal punt return(all I get is punt block/punt man safe).

To get your special teams play you now have to actually go to the special teams formation and select the play instead of one formation its actually like four I think. So when it defaults up you still need to hit b so you can select a play also the y button no lonher brings up the proper play anymore either same concept as above.

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[Architekto]

It seems it has nothing to do with the number of plays in your playbook (I was getting that message with 350 plays in my book). It just seems that there are certain plays that CANNOT be removed from custom playbooks.

Your best bet is to choose a base playbook that matches your custom playbooks as closely as possible.

Yeah, I guess that was the issue before. Maybe those formations if removed pre-patch, would cause the zero play glitch. Anyway, I did find a playbook that had most of the formations I wanted but it locked 4 formations that I didn't want lol

[keyser soze]

Here is what I have noticed:

Tuning patch downloaded for me tonight, this didn't come up last night after the title patch loaded. Did they not release together? Could that be why some are seeing differences on what is fixed and what isn't?

While I Tight doesn't show up in the customize program, it does show up when using the cpb in game (if you originally had I Tight in your cpb I presume)

When using triangle (PS3) for hurry-up, it is keeping me in the same formation and not going to shotgun as reported. Is the bug only when you use the aggressive tempo selection? Also, I was trying this in a play now game, not OD.

Something seems messed up with speed option now from SG. QB is taking a strange bucket step towards the line before you can head outside. It is almost like he is doing a read option or something. It prevents you from getting to the corner quick enough. Weren't they supposed to improve QB acceleration for speed option? It seems worse.

LOL, yes. They added the canned read option QB animation to the freaking SG and pistol options..... this would be truly unbelievable and I would be really upset if it was anyone but EA. However, I am learned to be happy with an EA product if I can get it to simply work.

[Pig Bomb]

Right now......their focus appears to be on adding/refining marketable features, not fixing the core fundamentals of football gameplay. And that hasn't changed in the next-gen series. As has been said for the past couple years now.....we're kind of stuck with what is there until the next-gen comes out IMO, because they seem to have a base code package that they keep using over and over.

nail on the head!

[TheRezyReb]

To get your special teams play you now have to actually go to the special teams formation and select the play instead of one formation its actually like four I think. So when it defaults up you still need to hit b so you can select a play also the y button no lonher brings up the proper play anymore either same concept as above.

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Let me be more specific..... the only play I have available is normal kick off return, I don't have the ability to call onside return.. lost a game because off this! I'm not worried about the punt return as I always use man safe.

[TheRezyReb]

Another thing I'm having a problem with post patch... 1-5-5 cover 4, when the lb moves around/from behind los to go cover a wr/te he hits the D lineman and I get a penalty, this happens almost everytime I call the play.

[TheRezyReb]

Whowa... jusf found a new formation out of nickle! 3-4 nickle package, is this new, or have I just never noticed it?

[souljahbill]

Ok, I haven't downloaded the patch yet (I only have time to game on weekends) but I want to know: If I had ZERO problems with my playbook before the patch, will I probably still need to make a new playbook post-download? My playbook is all Pistol with the exception of Wildcat Spread and Maryland I.


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[gschwendt]

Ok, I haven't downloaded the patch yet (I only have time to game on weekends) but I want to know: If I had ZERO problems with my playbook before the patch, will I probably still need to make a new playbook post-download? My playbook is all Pistol with the exception of Wildcat Spread and Maryland I.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkMy suggestion is yes. Some really wonky things happen when you convert your playbook (which you have to do).

[SmoothPancakes]

Ok, I haven't downloaded the patch yet (I only have time to game on weekends) but I want to know: If I had ZERO problems with my playbook before the patch, will I probably still need to make a new playbook post-download? My playbook is all Pistol with the exception of Wildcat Spread and Maryland I.


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I would like to know this too. I have my custom playbook, based off of Navy's offense, exactly how I want it, with certain plays and formations added, and some formations and/or plays removed. I really don't want to try and recreate it, especially since I created it the day the game came out, and I haven't touched it once since that day.

Edit - Nevermind, just saw G's answer. :(

[gschwendt]

Obviously you're still welcome to try but I suggest going through the converted playbook with a fine tooth comb. Very first thing to look at is if your play total wasn't full before, it might be now.

One almost definite thing it will do is add the audibles from the original base playbook, which if you were near capacity before, will dump some of your added plays and/or formations.

[keyser soze]

Wow, it looks like our OD is in fact broken post patch. I know get Transfer FAILED for everything making it impossible to move on.... Thanks EA, THANKS! LOL

[Pig Bomb]

Wow, it looks like our OD is in fact broken post patch. I know get Transfer FAILED for everything making it impossible to move on.... Thanks EA, THANKS! LOL i think they are working on it... last night late like at 2am eastern servers went down for a while... as they have a few times since all the problems post patch came to light

[mnguy]

i think they are working on it... last night late like at 2am eastern servers went down for a while... as they have a few times since all the problems post patch came to light

doubtful.:(

[Pig Bomb]

doubtful.:( thats silly...its a server side error that they should be able to fix... its also a game buster...the kind of problem they do actually work on, as compared to some of the glitches and other stuff we hate, but doesn't break the game- thus it doesn't get fixed

[lilheavy]

Another issue I noticed last night is that my custom playbook would not load up into practice mode in my OD. It would show the pop up screen that it is loading but once on the practice field it would be the default playbook for my team. In my case it was Penn St. I checked coach philosophy to verify that I had it set to my cpb.

[keyser soze]

Man this stinks big time. I was planning on playing a lot this weekend and we can NOT get through players leaving early segment.... this is the only thing that I hoped EA would NOT do in the patch, break our OD.... oh well, I guess even asking for THAT is asking for too much. Shameful man, shameful!

[JeffHCross]

Is this something that goes into the system via a backdoor password and actually changes the coding of the game data? Or do they have these contengencies put in place and then unlock them?"Via a backdoor password" is an unusual way of putting it (you make it sound like a virus), but you have the right idea. A patch to a video game works just like a patch to any piece of software -- Microsoft Windows security patches, for example. It's an installer that runs and changes code.

Since you're talking about a downloaded patch to retail game disc, it is slightly different, but the basic idea is the same. Normally, on a PC, patched code modifies the code directly, since everything's installed on your hard drive. Microsoft patches change the files directly. But for the PS3, I believe it just changes which version of code is called. Basically, let's call a piece of code CustomPlaybooks(). When there's no patch, CustomPlaybooks() gets run off the disc, and the retail code is run. When a patch is available, the PS3 knows to first look at the downloaded patch code and check there first for CustomPlyabooks(). There's probably a lot more to it, but I think that's the general idea.


Is that something they added or something that was in the code and unlocked itself like time sensative data?The pink gear was turned on after a patch. It's very likely that the code was not there on the retail disc, and was added via the patch rather than just unlocked.


Is this something they can add or would it already need to be in there and then they unlock it? Either way, hopefully they will have them for NCAA 13. I like them :nod:They *can* add it, but that's normally not done via patch. The difference with the pink gear was that it was something that affected every team. Scale is important to consider when thinking about patch features.

[mnguy]

thats silly...its a server side error that they should be able to fix... its also a game buster...the kind of problem they do actually work on, as compared to some of the glitches and other stuff we hate, but doesn't break the game- thus it doesn't get fixed

Are custom playbooks not a "game buster"? Because those have been broken since release and they still haven't fixed those.:bang:

[JeffHCross]

Are custom playbooks not a "game buster"? Because those have been broken since release and they still haven't fixed those.:bang:Two different types of problems with two different fixes. It's easy to presume that the OD Transfer Failed error has more to do with the server than the client, so that could be fixed without a patch.

Though I understand and share your frustration.

[mnguy]

Two different types of problems with two different fixes. It's easy to presume that the OD Transfer Failed error has more to do with the server than the client, so that could be fixed without a patch.

Though I understand and share your frustration.

Why should I expect it should get fixed when EA has shown that they are quite inept at truly and completely fixing anything with these games? I can't have any faith in them fixing this, even if doesn't need a patch, if have no evidence that they will be able to or want to fix this. As Jerry Kill says "I hear what your saying, but I only trust what you do"

[keyser soze]

man this stinks.... i have tried to advance it all day long with no luck. have they even officially said anything about this or are they silent again?

[Pig Bomb]

Are custom playbooks not a "game buster"? Because those have been broken since release and they still haven't fixed those.:bang:

nope... use a regular playbook... custom books is an extra non-gamebusting feature... busting means it breaks the game so that you can't play it... like the transfer failed... it ends your dynasty

[mnguy]

nope... use a regular playbook... custom books is an extra non-gamebusting feature... busting means it breaks the game so that you can't play it... like the transfer failed... it ends your dynasty
You can't say that the most hyped and looked forward to addition to the game being broken TWO MONTHS after release isn't wildly dissapointing or confidence inducing though, can you?

[Pig Bomb]

You can't say that the most hyped and looked forward to addition to the game being broken TWO MONTHS after release isn't wildly dissapointing or confidence inducing though, can you? no i can't argue with that... i hate it...it's my most wanted feature for years... i think the EA NCAA team are not very good compared to some of their other development teams...like FIFA, NHL, and even Madden....sucks for college football fans like us... that being said my overall experience this year is enjoyable...but if they cant fix the transfer errors i'll be hanging up the football cleats here shortly and putting on my futbol boots

[mnguy]

not an NBA fan?:)

[Lohusker]

Is the current dynasty advance issue happening with everyone or just some unlucky few that already had an issue with it? I haven't had a chance to go into OD yet since downloading the patch.

[Pig Bomb]

Is the current dynasty advance issue happening with everyone or just some unlucky few that already had an issue with it? I haven't had a chance to go into OD yet since downloading the patch. the issue is widespread

[keyser soze]

Is the current dynasty advance issue happening with everyone or just some unlucky few that already had an issue with it? I haven't had a chance to go into OD yet since downloading the patch.

pre-patch never had this issue. post-patch we are 100% unable to advance the season! LOL... pathetic!

[oweb26]

That's weird I have advanced twice post pach

[Lohusker]

pre-patch never had this issue. post-patch we are 100% unable to advance the season! LOL... pathetic!IIRC, training week is where they correct the tendency issue. Thought maybe that could be where the issue is, but looking back in thread it looks like your still on players leaving.

[AustinWolv]

Whowa... jusf found a new formation out of nickle! 3-4 nickle package, is this new, or have I just never noticed it?
New.......well, at least I don't recall it before either.

[JeffHCross]

Why should I expect it should get fixedI'm just saying, of the two, a server-side fix is much, much more likely. Whether or not that makes a difference to you is not something I can influence.

[gigemaggs99]

Whowa... jusf found a new formation out of nickle! 3-4 nickle package, is this new, or have I just never noticed it?

Not sure if that's new. I was in the 3-3-5 Okie prior to the patch, I like it a lot for stopping the run.

[JeffHCross]

Not sure if that's new. I was in the 3-3-5 Okie prior to the patch, I like it a lot for stopping the run.Someone else (was it gschwendt?) mentioned that the "hidden" formations that were only available as "part" of other formations are now available in Custom Playbooks. That could be why a new Nickel has suddenly appeared.

[ram29jackson]

Someone else (was it gschwendt?) mentioned that the "hidden" formations that were only available as "part" of other formations are now available in Custom Playbooks. That could be why a new Nickel has suddenly appeared.

hidden formations ? how about all formations? or you still basically have to pick a certain playbook to get certain formations/plays and try to add to it?....none of it reall matters till I here that it works -period...anyway

[gigemaggs99]

I don't know for certain on this. I do know, however, that the EA SPORTS NHL series has uniforms on the game disc that are locked away at first until a password is released at a later date; typically once all of the locked uniforms have been debuted in real life. It isn't a patch that unlocks them, however, so I'm not sure there's any connection.

As for when Madden NFL 11 introduced the Breast Cancer Awareness presentation elements; I believe that was released as part of a post-release patch. I don't think it was anything as fancy as a time-release unlock. Though that does give me fond memories of arcade gaming and fighting games like Tekken and Soul Calibur where extra characters got unlocked after the machine had been on a set number of days.



Arizona State's new uniforms are in NCAA Football 12... mostly. The new gold helmet and the new black helmet are in, and the jerseys and pants are in as well. I believe the brown and white helmets are not in the game, though I don't think ASU has worn them this season yet.

EDIT: Bringing back the photogenic side of the game.
http://pursuitofperfection10.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ncaa12-azstate-1.png
http://pursuitofperfection10.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/ncaa12-asuut-2.png


Ok, very cool thank you sir, I'll check them out. I thought the new unis looked good. Better than Marylands.

[keyser soze]

I just checked... its still broken... LOL, anyone know if there is any hope for this any time soon? Can they please at least DELETE the patch? LOL

[hawkeyeguy]

So what's the story on the servers being messed up today? I've had dynasty members saying they can't log in at all and have tried all day

EDIT: For XBox

[kcq71]

Give you a break? Seriously dude, the patch took 2 months to come out, barely touched gameplay, broke numerous things that were not broken before, and didn't fix others that were supposedly going to be fixed. How can anybody do anything but laugh at this point? In what world does EA maintain any amount of credibility at this point?


That is easy. They have Operationsports who will defend them no matter what. Glad to have a forum that speaks the truth instead of kissing EA's Behind.