Playbooks
Use this thread for wish list & feedback items discussing ideas and feedback in regards to Playbooks in NCAA Football 12.
This could include formations & plays your favorite team runs or ideas on how you would flesh out existing playbooks.
Be clear, but concise in making your wishes. Any off-topic posts will be deleted.
I would love, love, love to see the team take a stab at some more "traditional" playbooks, if Custom Playbooks aren't coming anytime soon. Playbooks heavy with I-Formation Option, or Splitbacks, or Near/Far formations. Things that we would have seen in the 80s and early 90s but have all but left the game today (except for the rare Navy/Army/Air Force/GT).
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Naming them as "Heavy I 90's" or "Traditional multiple" or something like that would be good. Good Post!Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Far as plays go, the shuttle/shovel pass is a huge request these days. Also I haven't seen the option to simply throw to the uncovered receiver anywhere yet. I'm assuming that one didn't make it, though I'll have to check to be sure. That option as a route and play would be a nice addition, and I assume fairly simple.
Maybe it's me but there seems to be a need for more running plays in almost every formation I've used.
IMO the defensive playbooks are all in need of a MAJOR overhaul like the offensive playbooks got this year. Just like offense, no schools defense is exactly the same as anothers even if they run the same base 4-3; 3-4; etc...
The real RnS playbook! Oh and please fix Auburn's playbook it looks nothing close to what they run in real life
Need more details please.
There are a few differences here between Malzahn's offense and what Franklin and Tuberville tried to do (or said they were trying to do). The biggest, I'd say, is that Malzahn's spread is not exactly like other spreads, whether pass-first ones like the Airraid or run-heavy spreads like Urban Meyer's or Rich Rodriguez's. That's because the schemes are simple - very, very simple - and the core of the offense is not even about schemes: it's about tempo. . . .
[N]obody does what Malzahn does. If some no-huddle teams, like Franklin's, are light-speed, then Malzahn wants to spend the entire game in something akin to "ludicrous speed."So what does it look like when Malzahn uses it? Well it's basically the same, except he might show a few different things before the snap. Specifically, he might use an H-back or fullback type player who comes from the backside to be the "puller" who leads into the hole, and that player might begin the play split out wide and motion in across the formation. Or, the runningback himself might motion into the backfield. There's lots of options. Below, however, is a diagram of what Malzahn did in the spring game; the play went for a long touchdown twice in the spring game (thanks to good blocking and some weak angles by the defense).
To take one of the examples before getting to the film clips, the offense lined up in a basic shotgun set, with one runningback, one H-back, and three receivers
I have only drawn paths for two players: the backside guard pulls and kicks out the defensive end, while the H-back pulls and leads into the hole (and eventually also kicks out the linebacker, though he could have just as easily "hooked" him inside, had the linebacker stepped that way). The rest of the line just blocks down, and the runningback takes his slight counter steps and explodes into the hole, following the H-back's block. To see it all in action, check out the film clips from the spring game this past year.
Zone Read Bubble Screen
I won't get too far into the basics of the zone read; I have both discussed it previously and also plan to go more in depth in the future as teams defend it differently nowadays. What you can expect from Malzahn and Auburn is much in the mainstream in terms of the play. The line will zone block, and the runningback will look for a vertical crease. The quarterback will read the backside end to determine where or not to give the ball to the back or keep it himself. The one wrinkle Malzahn brings -- which again, is something Rich Rodriguez has been doing for some time -- is to build the bubble screen on the backside in. Basically, if the backside pursuit cheats in too much, Auburn has its constraint play built in: the quarterback can always pull the ball and throw the bubble. Below is a diagram and a video of Auburn running the zone with the bubble on the backside, though the quarterback just gives it to the runner.
Power
The "power" run is another that has ancient, "power football" roots but has been adapted to the spread. And it, again, is very simple: the line essentially "down" blocks, meaning they block the men over them or to their inside, and will use teamwork to combination block the defensive linemen until one releases to hit the linebackers. The exception is the defensive end or other outside, on the line of scrimmage defender. (Aptly referred to as the EMLOS -- "end man on the line of scrimmage.") The fullback -- or H-back, or someone -- plows at him to kick him out, thus opening a crease.
The crease becomes a hole, however, because the backside guard pulls and "leads" into it to block the linebacker, or other first threatening defender. In this way the blocking works much as it does on "counter," but with more of a frontside attack. Below is a diagram of how an NFL team runs the play; it is in every NFL team's playbook. (Click on the diagram to make it larger.)
And below is a common look Malzahn ran "power" from while at Tulsa, using the "pistol" (short shotgun with the runningback directly behind the quarterback) and a cross between an H-back and a fullback. See below
The biggest think I would like to see is create a playbook. Not so much create my own plays but I would like the ability to take plays from other playbooks.
For example you would first pick a formation, ie: Shotgun - Normal HB Wk and you would then have the ability to pick 20 plays from all the plays in that formation that are in the game.
My beef is with the defense:
- Add the 3-4 Predator from Madden
- 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 Defense need a 2 high safety look with their base defenses
- Remove the 3-4 or add a 3-5-3 formation or at least a substitute package for the 3-3-5 Stack or Bear alignments
- 4-2-5 needs updated coverages such as split field coverages or Q/Q/H (quarter, quarter, half coverage)
not really sure if these are game play issues or what but:
- Strong and weak positions on defense, to where the defense lines up to the strong and weakside of the defense.
- Buzz and Flats zones need to be married in some sort of way.
Last edited by Keontez; 10-03-2010 at 09:29 AM.
I'd like some small numerical indicator letting me know how many times I've called a play from a certain formation.
Ex. Let's say I call HB Dive from I-Form Normal. The next time I go through that formation, in the corner, there will be a number 1, letting me know that I've called that play once. If I call it again, that number will be a 2 next time and so on and so forth.
I thought about this today as I was playing a game and was trying to run out the clock and had no idea how many times I had called a particular running play from that formation and was scared it would be eaten up by the defense.
I can actually help out here. I have several Mouse Davis and June Jones playbooks and could provide EA w/ the exact offense. My question is... would they use it? Because it would involve a LOT of work to get it down on paper/computer screen and put it in such a way that they can understand it and implement it in the game.
If anyone here who was at the Community Day event can ask EA if they would be open to this then the Run & Shoot offense can be in the game.
Agreed! Defense playbooks need serious revision as they have not changed in years.
give me a quarters coverage that doesnt play like a prevent play.
Add the proper Stunts to the 4-2-5, 4-4 and Bear front defenses.
Man Short Zone, and the Double X/Z plays work pretty well, especially with Show Blitz. I think Cover 3 is less-Prevent like if you run Show Blitz as well, but I can't say I've tested it lately.
Going back to one of your earlier posts ... I don't think I've ever seen a 2-high safety look with 4-2-5 or 3-3-5 ... not in real-life, that is. Would that really differ at all from the Nickel and Nickel 3-3-5 packages, with a SS replacing the nickelback?
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it is a nickel look. But with a strong safety. My gripe is the 4-2-5 playbook is unrealistic. All 4-2-5 and 4-4 defense play the same. Either you set the front 4 to the Split End or the Tight End. The Secondary call is what determines if they set to the Boundary or the Field. In reality there should be three 4-2-5 formations. The Normal look primarily used for Robber coverage, The Bear Front. And the Over/ Under variation should look like the Nickel Strong/Normal.
This post is from TCU's game against Boise. You should see the 2-high safety look that TCU plays. Even in the playbook, when they explain the Robber play is the only time you truly see a 1High safety look.
My beef with Quarters is that the players have no sense of run responsibilities and dont look for the run. If the logic was changed, to where players didnt immediately spot drop and covered a player instead of covering grass would help out immensely.
I'd love to see more control on stunts for the DL. I know Ian said we won't get an extra tier of playcalling like 2K5 to help with this but an expanded defensive playbook would help. Defensive playbooks are pretty crappy and they need to remove the engage 8 and double CB blitzes that we never call because they suck. The cpu still calls them and it's too easy to get a big play when they do.
Not to take this off topic but what is the beef with Engage Eight plays and Double CB blitzes? I call the Engage Eight Play a lot with 2 adjustments. And please dont take any offense to this, I just cant think of a better way to say it, but I do think people should try to speak for themselves instead of for the whole community when they say things like "We never use that", I can pretty much guarantee you that there are some that do, and the ones that dont, dont know when to call said plays.
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