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    Open Letter from “A Dying Vine”

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    Open Letter from “A Dying Vine”


    In the wake of Patch #2 for NCAA 12, the moderating staff and community at Utopia wish to express our displeasure and frustration in an open letter to EA and the so called “Game Changers” and “Community Sites.” EA’s NCAA football series served as the catalyst for this site in 2003, and though the Utopia community has evolved to the point that it is no longer centered on EA’s game, we still have a common wish for a quality college football video game. This franchise was once unanimously recognized as one of the most enjoyable and innovative sports games on the market, but has now fallen to such depths that virtually everywhere you look, more and more people on forums all across the internet are expressing extreme frustration and displeasure with both the game and the company that makes it. We see three obvious factors that have contributed to the environment that allows such an abject failure of a video game to be released (with good reviews, no less); exclusivity limiting competition, EA’s patching methodology, and the “Game Changers” marketing scheme which helps to fracture the community and marginalize legitimate concerns about the game.

    Problems caused by exclusivity:


    Due to the fact that EA has purchased the exclusive rights to the NFL and NCAA football games, they have effectively pushed out all competition from football gaming. This means that they can release bug-filled games without the risk of losing customers who would buy a more polished football game if one were available. One need look no further than the recent failure of EA’s basketball game to see the effect of competition on sub-par and bug filled games. The Madden and NCAA series have been plagued with bugs similar to those that caused NBA Live to be shelved, but without competition the games will continue to be developed with as little effort as possible. The results of the lack of competition speak for themselves. The NCAA series has devolved to the point that gamers can expect even the heavily marketed new features to be completely non-functioning at launch.

    For instance, NCAA ’09 touted a new roster share feature that was supposed to allow people to create custom rosters and easily share them with their friends. Unfortunately, the roster editor feature of the game contained a glitch so that once a certain number of players were edited, teams started completely disappearing from the game. On top of that, “Wide Open Gameplay” (the tagline for that year) translated into “No Defense At All”, and the game quickly turned into a complete joke as it was nearly impossible to stop anybody on defense. On NCAA ’10, the game was released with sliders that did not work (i.e. they had no impact on gameplay at all), with rosters that were clearly flawed, and with a new “run commit” feature that was so overpowered it virtually destroyed any gameplay balance (particularly for online play). NCAA 11 touted the new "locomotion system, which effectively broke zone defense, and new web based dynasty interfaces like the "Dynasty Wire," which turned out to be incredibly buggy (frequently crashed or displayed the wrong information) and is still listed as "Beta" on the website.

    This year, one of the most heavily marketed new features in NCAA12 was custom playbooks, something Utopians have been asking for since the feature was dropped with the move to next-gen systems. As many have come to expect from EA, the custom playbooks feature was completely broken at launch. It contained a glitch which would cause the playcall screen to go blank and would result in players standing around in a huddle over the football rather than lining up in the correct formation. In addition to the custom playbook glitch, the new custom conferences feature was also broken at launch, containing massive scheduling errors that rendered it unusable. In addition to problems with new features, there were also numerous instability problems that caused the game to freeze or crash, as well as several glitches that affected online dynasty mode, such as dynasties not being able to be advanced properly and wins not being correctly recorded. At this point, the game is so bug filled that you are lucky to finish a game without a crash or disconnection. Even if you do finish the game, the result may have been recorded incorrectly, making your efforts futile. It is like clockwork; every new feature will be completely broken at launch and features that worked in the past will have new and crippling bugs.

    We acknowledge that all video games are released with some bugs, but we feel that the lack of competition due to exclusivity has allowed EA to release football games that have more numerous and game-killing bugs than any other title. NCAA12 is the least stable console game that we have ever played. If EA had true competition in the football gaming world, they would be forced to either shelve the game, like NBA Live, or go back to the drawing board and dedicate more resources to releasing a quality game, like the FIFA series.

    Problems Caused by EA’s Patching Methodology:


    In general, the ability to patch games has been both a blessing and a curse for gamers. While a good patch can save a game that would be otherwise derailed by a small bug, it also allows developers to release games that are basically unfinished, counting on patches to tie up all the loose ends. Nowhere is this practice more prevalent than in sports games, with their rushed yearly development cycle.

    With the NCAA series, EA manages to take the “release an incomplete game and patch it” model to an incredible new low. Not only do they release obviously unfinished games, but in an effort to patch problems, they introduce new and bigger problems. For instance, last year EA released a patch that was supposed to address some problems with defensive AI and overpowered man to man coverage, and it instead resulted in a new glitch were the QB could pump fake backwards (towards his own goal line), and cause all of the defenders to immediately abandon their assignments and run towards the line of scrimmage.

    While there is a long, well documented history of these issues, NCAA12 has taken things to a completely different level. This year, after waiting for nearly two months, EA released a patch that was supposed to correct some of the problems with custom playbooks, online dynasties and system stability. Producer Ben Haumiller closed his blog about the title 2 update with "Thank you again for your patience for the arrival of this second Title Update. I trust you will find that it has been well worth the wait." To put it bluntly, Ben, It was not “worth the wait.” The patch not only failed to fix the majority of the problems it claimed to fix, but it also caused new problems that affected the no-huddle (a prominent feature for NCAA 11) , completely removed some formations from the game, and caused a host of new issues with the few custom playbooks and online dynasties that had the good fortune to work before the patch. Not only did EA release an extremely flawed product for sale at retail in July, but it took almost 2 months to release a patch, and the patch turned out to cause numerous new problems. At this point, it is obvious that the development team for NCAA football cannot even patch their own game without introducing a cornucopia of new glitches and bugs.

    Problems caused by EA hijacking “The Community.”


    Over the past few years EA has gone to great lengths to improve their faltering reputation with “The NCAA Community.” Whether it came in the form of sending EA representatives to forums, the “Community Leaders” program, or the Game Changers” program; EA has shown that they value having a positive image in “The NCAA Community.” While this all sounds great, we find their efforts to be entirely disingenuous.

    Before they even try to reach out to “The NCAA Community,” EA attempts to define “The NCAA Community” in a way that eliminates those who are openly critical of their product. For instance, Utopia is notably absent from EA’s list of “Community Sites,” despite the fact that we are the largest NCAA specific community. The only interaction we've had with EA this year was a Cease and Desist letter in response to our April Fool's prank, proving that they not only read the site, but they also did not find our prank nearly as funny as we did (in retrospect, our April Fools descriptions of the game were actually far more accurate than the glowing reviews found on other sites). We acknowledge that EA attempts to avoid interaction with us because we are uncouth, drunk, and/or overly hostile; but that doesn’t mean we aren’t part of the community!

    We also aren't the only ones to be excluded from EA's community program. Several other critical community members, including those who belong to TheSimStandard YouTube group (many of whom have provided incredibly detailed documentation to show problems with the game and ways to solve them) are also shunned by EA. This, despite the fact that they reach far more people than many of the "Community" sites that are included. For example, videos uploaded by TheSimStandard channel contributors have combined for a total of 713,955 views and they have well over 20,000 subscribers, while several of the sites that are included in the program appear to reach fewer than 100 members and are rarely updated with new NCAA related content. The simple fact is that EA has systematically worked to prevent anybody who is openly critical of their game from receiving any official recognition for their efforts. Instead, they choose to define "The community" as those sites, regardless of size/exposure, who will toe the EA company line.

    The “Game Changers” program, much like the “Community Leaders” program before it, is a complete farce. As much as EA talks about incorporating community feedback into the game, it is increasingly evident that EA does nothing of the sort, and these programs are simply an extension of EA’s marketing strategy. Simply put, we do not see any substantial in-game results from the “Game Changers” program, but we do consistently see a ton of pre-release hype along with glowing reviews. To be fair, we do not fault the “Game Changers” in this. We truly believe that most of them have the best intentions and that they have put in a lot of work attempting to make this a better game. The problem lies entirely in the fact that EA simply can’t (or won’t) make most of the changes suggested by the “Game Changers.” The game engine itself is so archaic, bug-filled, and ad-hoc at this point that most of the common and recurring issues cannot be solved without a significant commitment of resources from EA, which is a commitment they won’t make. Instead, EA will take input from the game changers and promise grandiose changes like “Custom Playbooks” and “Pattern Matching Coverage,” while the actual implementation of those "features" will be nothing but ham-fisted tweaks to an aging game.

    Beyond being simply ineffective, we believe that the “Game Changers” and other EA sponsored “Community” programs fracture the true gaming community and create a divisive environment that allows EA to release such buggy games without the proper amount of community outcry. This is due to the fact that EA places the “Game Changers” in the unenviable position of answering to angry gamers for all of EA’s fumbles. These “Game Changers” serve as the only link between the average frustrated gamer and the NCAA football developers. They become de-facto customer service representatives, without the paycheck. The frustrated gamers and the frustrated “Game Changers,” who now must put up with misguided personal attacks, end up divided. Instead of directing the frustrations and anger at the proper target, the community bickers between themselves.

    We are therefore extending an olive branch to the "Game Changers." We don’t hate you, we just lash out in frustration because EA has forced you to play customer service representative for a terrible product. We even apologize for directing our anger and frustrations at you, when EA is clearly the culprit. Please join us in calling EA out for the incredible levels of failure that are present in NCAA12 and Patch #2.

    Signed-
    The Utopia moderating staff and frustrated NCAA gamers elsewhere

    P.S. We would send this olive branch more directly, but you banned us.

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    No need for that "Open Letter" to be posted over here. We all know better and we all know the truth. Most of that is just a bunch of BS based on a lot of hard evidence of past posts, and etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    No need for that "Open Letter" to be posted over here.
    May I ask why not? It is an open letter to the NCAA community, is it not? Is this not part of the NCAA community?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnguy View Post
    May I ask why not? It is an open letter to the NCAA community, is it not? Is this not part of the NCAA community?
    It's complete BS considering the source. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    It's complete BS considering the source. End of story.
    So now Gamechangers have the power to speak for a whole community, huh? No wonder you guys are viewed as a joke over there...at least there everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnguy View Post
    So now Gamechangers have the power to speak for a whole community, huh? No wonder you guys are viewed as a joke over there...at least there everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    You're mistaking poor jokes and complete blind hate for reality. Again just look at the source and what that source has posted previously. Then it will maybe make sense.

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    I was wondering how long it would take for that open letter to make its way here. While I agree with JB, I do see where MNguy is coming from, its not my site so its not my rules.

    I do think the whole open letter thing is a waste of time though.

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    Whatever. I don't think that Game Changers should be ignoring a legitimate complaint. I agree that there is some finger pointing in there, but the exclusivity and patching sections have a lot of stuff that we all know is true. What do you have against working together to get this shit fixed? I can't say i'm surprised the game sucks when the "community members" closest to them decide to cover up legitimate problems with the game.

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    Exactly we all know the game is fucked up right now. We are absoultely doing our best to get every problem that has come up with the first patch and now the second patch to EA. With Steelerfan's OD that is still messed up, we are still testing and trying things out to try to figure out the root cause of the entire issue. As many people would like to think, we are not sugar coating, we are not ignoring issues, we are fully aware. The game is still fun and playable for most people, but there are some very annoying things that are broken right now. Like I said before I'm in a few OD's that are going just fine, and I can still play the games. Some people don't want to play with the current issues, and that is fine, and I agree with their frustration. We all agree this is frustrating, but in the end we also know certain people are in it to make it better for everyone. We aren't happy with the way things have played out, and some changes definitely need to be made so this never happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    Exactly we all know the game is fucked up right now. We are absoultely doing our best to get every problem that has come up with the first patch and now the second patch to EA. With Steelerfan's OD that is still messed up, we are still testing and trying things out to try to figure out the root cause of the entire issue. As many people would like to think, we are not sugar coating, we are not ignoring issues, we are fully aware. The game is still fun and playable for most people, but there are some very annoying things that are broken right now. Like I said before I'm in a few OD's that are going just fine, and I can still play the games. Some people don't want to play with the current issues, and that is fine, and I agree with their frustration. We all agree this is frustrating, but in the end we also know certain people are in it to make it better for everyone. We aren't happy with the way things have played out, and some changes definitely need to be made so this never happens again.
    Then why was the letter deleted? It seems like your agreeing with the problems mentioned, but then deleted it anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnguy View Post
    Then why was the letter deleted? It seems like your agreeing with the problems mentioned, but then deleted it anyways.
    Again, consider the source. And the backhanded comments that come from that source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBHuskers View Post
    Again, consider the source. And the backhanded comments that come from that source.
    Well, you could post the areas you agree with and erase the parts you don't. I don't see why your beef with Utopia means the whole thing should be deleted...seems like sour grapes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnguy View Post
    Well, you could post the areas you agree with and erase the parts you don't. I don't see why your beef with Utopia means the whole thing should be deleted...seems like sour grapes.
    There is just no need for it. Plain and simple. It's clearly not genuine.

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    Though I still think your argument is a little fishy, I see that your obviously not changing your view. I don't see how your gonna get anywhere with EA by ignoring the problems, but good luck anyways.

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    Yeah that would make things better just cherry pick what you agree with.
    I can see how that would turn out. Probably like this.....


    On a side not JB you are obsessed with Social Media man, look at the accounts you have linked to your post man. Unplug my man.

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    Regardless of the source, I certainly disagree with deleting the letter being posted here or elsewhere. It's a letter I could see myself writing similarly, though not altogether the same since I do have inside perspective. I'll leave it to Chris to later decide what to do with it.

    Along the lines of the any relationship between The Gaming Tailgate and Utopia, it's never going to happen, largely due to their response to us from the beginning. I don't know if their intentions at this point are genuine or not, I don't care. They've burned their bridge and I don't think anyone has any interest in rebuilding it for them. Regardless though, when looking solely at the content of the letter itself, I think it has merit, but at the same time it's hard to consider the source and give it very much.

    I encourage them to send it to EA and post it where-ever will have it. Posts/letters like that I can support... falsehoods, generalities, personal bashing, etc., I cannot. You can be critical and rely solely on the facts at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnguy View Post
    Though I still think your argument is a little fishy, I see that your obviously not changing your view. I don't see how your gonna get anywhere with EA by ignoring the problems, but good luck anyways.
    See, that's where people are being fed misinformation. We're definitely not ignoring the problems at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by oweb26 View Post
    Yeah that would make things better just cherry pick what you agree with.
    I can see how that would turn out. Probably like this.....


    On a side not JB you are obsessed with Social Media man, look at the accounts you have linked to your post man. Unplug my man.
    well I don't use G+ much anymore. How bout that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschwendt View Post
    Regardless of the source, I certainly disagree with deleting the letter being posted here or elsewhere. It's a letter I could see myself writing similarly, though not altogether the same since I do have inside perspective. I'll leave it to Chris to later decide what to do with it.

    Along the lines of the any relationship between The Gaming Tailgate and Utopia, it's never going to happen, largely due to their response to us from the beginning. I don't know if their intentions at this point are genuine or not, I don't care. They've burned their bridge and I don't think anyone has any interest in rebuilding it for them. Regardless though, when looking solely at the content of the letter itself, I think it has merit, but at the same time it's hard to consider the source and give it very much credence.

    I encourage them to send it to EA and post it where-ever will have it. Posts/letters like that I can support... falsehoods, generalities, personal bashing, etc., I cannot. You can be critical and rely solely on the facts at the same time.
    Well said G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gschwendt View Post
    Regardless of the source, I certainly disagree with deleting the letter being posted here or elsewhere. It's a letter I could see myself writing similarly, though not altogether the same since I do have inside perspective. I'll leave it to Chris to later decide what to do with it.

    Along the lines of the any relationship between The Gaming Tailgate and Utopia, it's never going to happen, largely due to their response to us from the beginning. I don't know if their intentions at this point are genuine or not, I don't care. They've burned their bridge and I don't think anyone has any interest in rebuilding it for them. Regardless though, when looking solely at the content of the letter itself, I think it has merit, but at the same time it's hard to consider the source and give it very much.

    I encourage them to send it to EA and post it where-ever will have it. Posts/letters like that I can support... falsehoods, generalities, personal bashing, etc., I cannot. You can be critical and rely solely on the facts at the same time.
    Chris had already said to delete it by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oweb26 View Post
    Yeah that would make things better just cherry pick what you agree with.
    I can see how that would turn out.
    Probably like this.....


    On a side not JB you are obsessed with Social Media man, look at the accounts you have linked to your post man. Unplug my man.
    Yeah, i don't think it would be a good idea, but I think it would be better than deleting the whole thing.

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