2011 Fantasy Football Talk Thread

**JBHuskers** · 08-04-2011, 08:28 PM

Hey guys use this to chatter about who you've drafted, etc.

I'm going to do a draft preview in a podcast, probably on 8/29 (which will be after my own draft).

**morsdraconis** · 08-04-2011, 08:34 PM

I want to spark some talk about strategy through a bit of a Q and A with you JB (and others if they want to give their strategies as well).

Considering most leagues use the snake draft setup (last pick goes first in next round), what pick would you make if you're in the later half of the round?

Does picks 6-9 make a difference in your preference compared to 10-12?

Who would you take in the 3-5 range?

Is Orton worthy of a top QB pick?

Do you change your strategy based on your positioning in the draft? If so, how so?

And, finally, who are your top 10?

**JBHuskers** · 08-04-2011, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

I want to spark some talk about strategy through a bit of a Q and A with you JB (and others if they want to give their strategies as well).

Considering most leagues use the snake draft setup (last pick goes first in next round), what pick would you make if you're in the later half of the round?

I typically put a high premium on QB's due to the RBBC shift the league has taken. If you see Aaron Rodgers or maybe even Mike Vick there at 8-12, 100% take Rodgers, Vick is more of a risk, but a high reward.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Does picks 6-9 make a difference in your preference compared to 10-12?

If you're 6-9, and Rodgers is still there, grab him (people still covet RB's early in drafts, and some are worth taking high). After that though, make sure you go WR in the 2nd round. There is a solid crop in the 11-20 range. (Andre Johnson and Roddy White are the only worthy ones to take in the first round)

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Who would you take in the 3-5 range?

If Arian Foster drops, definitely grab him. Another year of him and Schaub together should see an improvement of his 61 catches last year. Most boards have him at 2 behind AP this year, so if he slips, don't hesitate.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Is Orton worthy of a top QB pick?

Not at all. I wouldn't even draft him as my first QB. If I don't get Rodgers, Vick, Brees, Brady, or Manning in rounds 1-3, I'm not taking a QB probably until round 8.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Do you change your strategy based on your positioning in the draft? If so, how so?

Somewhat, but a lot of it plays on how the draft plays out. If I'm in the middle, and Rodgers is sitting there, I'm going to take him in the first round like I did last year. If I'm sitting at 3, and Foster is there, I'm taking Foster 100%. If I'm at the very tail end, I might go WR/RB for rounds 1 & 2 .... maybe a McCoy/R. White combination.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

And, finally, who are your top 10?

1. Arian Foster
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Ray Rice
6. LeSean McCoy
7. Chris Johnson
8. Andre Johnson
9. Rashard Mendenhall
10. Roddy White

...and I might use this little Q&A for the Mailbag of the podcast if you want me to. A little taste before I do the fantasy football preview on 8/28's podcast (may do it in 8/21 depending on how long our NCAA FB talk goes).

**psuexv** · 08-04-2011, 11:00 PM

Shady McCoy's stock dropped about 2 days ago

**morsdraconis** · 08-04-2011, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by JBHuskers

...and I might use this little Q&A for the Mailbag of the podcast if you want me to. A little taste before I do the fantasy football preview on 8/28's podcast (may do it in 8/21 depending on how long our NCAA FB talk goes).

Please do. I'm VERY interested in a more in depth look at fantasy. I'm trying to get more into (as I start to actually play in a league for money) so anything where it's a bit more in depth than the normal bullshit that Yahoo and such does would be GREAT.

And thanks for the answers. Always good to get an idea of what people are looking at with Fantasy.

**psuexv** · 08-05-2011, 08:49 AM

I think the main thing to consider is how your league is set up. I play in one where we start 2 QBs and the get 6 for a TD and -1 for Int. QBs are gold in this league and you need good ones to compete.

I also play in another one where we only start 1 QB and they get 5 for TD and -2 for Int. This league RBs are your money(even though it's starting to even out with the RBBC for most teams.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Considering most leagues use the snake draft setup (last pick goes first in next round), what pick would you make if you're in the later half of the round?

I hate serpentine drafts, I think they're pointless. That being said I'd rather be in the bottom half of draft. I'd much rather have say the #10 and 14 player than the #1 and 25. There just isn't as much high talent at the top anymore to constitute a serpentine draft

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Does picks 6-9 make a difference in your preference compared to 10-12?

To me it doesn't, there isn't the division in talent that there used to be with the RBBC

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Who would you take in the 3-5 range?

Arian Foster, Rodgers, or Ray Rice. Look for that RB that isn't splitting carries.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Is Orton worthy of a top QB pick?

Depends on your league and how many people are in it. In a one QB league with 12 people he's a mid tier Pick Rodgers, Vick, Manning, Brady, Big Ben, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers are your tops.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Do you change your strategy based on your positioning in the draft? If so, how so?

Yes and no. I'm a best available type of guy to an extent. I look for any chances to win a position battle. I'll take a top end TE over a non-starter any day, where some people will take depth and not worry about some of the other positions.

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

And, finally, who are your top 10?

In my straight up league - Adrian Peterson - Chris Johnson - Arian Foster - Aaron Rodgers - Mike Vick - Jamaal Charles - Rashard Mendenhall - Tom Brady - Ray Rice - Andre Johnson

**psuexv** · 08-05-2011, 08:52 AM

Another thing to think about is if it's a keeper league. In these you may take a chance on a young player

Also - Semi Sleeper (more revitalized)picks for this year. - Steven Jackson will be back to his numbers from about 4 years ago, Larry Fitzgerald will have a big year

**ryby6969** · 08-05-2011, 08:48 PM

As E said, it is all about what kind of scoring system you league has. If all TD's are worth 6 points, QB's will be much more valuable than anything else. If it is a PPR(points per reception) RB's like Ray Rice and Jamal Charles will be more valuable. In my league, all TD's are 6 points so I always go for a big time QB. I have found I can piece together a RB core that is serviceable enough to win games. There are always breakout guys to pick up after the first few weeks as well as people who get nervous too quickly when someone is not performing and they drop them for a 1 hit wonder.

The biggest thing to do is learn your league's scoring system, and don't panic if you have players start off slow. Also, watch the bye weeks when you draft because you don't want half your team on a bye the same week because it is almost a instant loss. Also, draft with your head and not your heart.

**morsdraconis** · 08-05-2011, 11:35 PM

Well, both of the ones I'm in are either 5 points for QB TDs and 25 yards per point (along with .5 for completions, -.5 for incompletions, -2 for interceptions, and -2 for sacks) or 6 points for TDs and 50 yards per point (with .5 for completions) and both are PPR leagues.

So, for a 3 TD 300 yard day with 20 completions, 10 incompletions, 1 interception, and 3 sacks my team leagues would look like this:

#1 (5 pt TD league): 15 + 12 + 10 - 5 - 2 - 6 = 24
#2 (6 pt TD league): 18 + 4 + 10 = 32

Obviously, league #2 is better for QBs that put up lots of points and yards, where as league #1 is more for the elite guys that don't make mistakes (Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, or Brees) and then looking at match-ups for the other guys.

**psusnoop** · 08-06-2011, 03:52 PM

I really need to get into one that is good and pays this year. Gotta check around for a decent one.

The one I was in the last few years the new commish changed the scoring system after drafts without telling anyone which pissed me off. I'm done with that league.

**morsdraconis** · 08-06-2011, 06:56 PM

Well, did a mock draft last night (that, unfortunately, became me and 2-3 other people and a bunch of automated shit after the 7th or 8th round):

I came out with:

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From this draft strategy (I'm Team G):

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I definitely fucked up not grabbing a RB earlier than the 4th round and then, while searching for one frantically, I ran out of time and it picked fuckin' Knowshon Moreno for me, even though I definitely didn't want him.

Any suggestions/critiques would be most welcome. I plan on doing a few more here in the new few days to try to perfect my idea. I plan to milk the hell out of the PPR format through WRs and RBs that catch a lot of passes. I choose to pick 11th as I wanted an idea of what I was looking at late in the draft.

Also, it turns out that the money league I was gonna be in isn't happening, which sucks, so if anyone is doing one that's not too expensive ($10-$25 is fine) I'm very much interested in joining.

**JBHuskers** · 08-06-2011, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Well, did a mock draft last night (that, unfortunately, became me and 2-3 other people and a bunch of automated shit after the 7th or 8th round):

I came out with:

Spoiler: show

From this draft strategy (I'm Team G):

Spoiler: show

I definitely fucked up not grabbing a RB earlier than the 4th round and then, while searching for one frantically, I ran out of time and it picked fuckin' Knowshon Moreno for me, even though I definitely didn't want him.

Any suggestions/critiques would be most welcome. I plan on doing a few more here in the new few days to try to perfect my idea. I plan to milk the hell out of the PPR format through WRs and RBs that catch a lot of passes. I choose to pick 10th as I wanted an idea of what I was looking at late in the draft.

Also, it turns out that the money league I was gonna be in isn't happening, which sucks, so if anyone is doing one that's not too expensive ($10-$25 is fine) I'm very much interested in joining.

The $$$ league I've run is now in it's 11th season with 12-teams and a $25 fee. If someone flakes out, I'll let you know. At this time, I think all 12 guys are coming back.

**morsdraconis** · 08-06-2011, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by JBHuskers

The $$$ league I've run is now in it's 11th season with 12-teams and a $25 fee. If someone flakes out, I'll let you know. At this time, I think all 12 guys are coming back.

Awesome man. Would appreciate it.

**morsdraconis** · 08-06-2011, 09:46 PM

Mock Draft #2

My team:

Spoiler: show

Round by round breakdown of how it went (can only hope people stupidly choose defenses and kickers so early in my real drafts):

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Round 1
(1) B.P. - Arian Foster (Hou - RB)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
(3) bobby d.igital - Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
(4) Geezy - Chris Johnson (Ten - RB)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)
(6) JJ - Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB)
(7) Freeze - Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
(8) mtluke11 - Michael Turner (Atl - RB)
(9) Mike - Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB)
(10) M - Darren McFadden (Oak - RB)
(11) Stanley Saephan - LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
(12) Team 12 - Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR)

Round 2
(1) Team 12 - Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Roddy White (Atl - WR)
(3) M - Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR)
(4) Mike - Michael Vick (Phi - QB)
(5) mtluke11 - Frank Gore (SF - RB)
(6) Freeze - Drew Brees (NO - QB)
(7) JJ - Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Shonn Greene (NYJ - RB)
(9) Geezy - Tom Brady (NE - QB)
(10) bobby d.igital - Philip Rivers (SD - QB)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Steven Jackson (StL - RB)
(12) B.P. - Peyton Manning (Ind - QB)

Round 3
(1) B.P. - Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Tony Romo (Dal - QB)
(3) bobby d.igital - Peyton Hillis (Cle - RB)
(4) Geezy - Mike Williams (TB - WR)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
(6) JJ - Vincent Jackson (SD - WR)
(7) Freeze - Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
(8) mtluke11 - Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
(9) Mike - Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB)
(10) M - DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
(11) Stanley Saephan - Mike Wallace (Pit - WR)
(12) Team 12 - LeGarrette Blount (TB - RB)

Round 4
(1) Team 12 - Greg Jennings (GB - WR)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
(3) M - DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB)
(4) Mike - Antonio Gates (SD - TE)
(5) mtluke11 - Brandon Lloyd (Den - WR)
(6) Freeze - Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
(7) JJ - Ryan Mathews (SD - RB)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR)
(9) Geezy - Jason Witten (Dal - TE)
(10) bobby d.igital - Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR)
(12) B.P. - Chad Ochocinco (NE - WR)

Round 5
(1) B.P. - Felix Jones (Dal - RB)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Marques Colston (NO - WR)
(3) bobby d.igital - Anquan Boldin (Bal - WR)
(4) Geezy - Percy Harvin (Min - WR)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Brandon Marshall (Mia - WR)
(6) JJ - Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR)
(7) Freeze - Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB)
(8) mtluke11 - Matt Ryan (Atl - QB)
(9) Mike - Wes Welker (NE - WR)
(10) M - Matt Schaub (Hou - QB)
(11) Stanley Saephan - Knowshon Moreno (Den - RB)
(12) Team 12 - Dallas Clark (Ind - TE)

Round 6
(1) Team 12 - Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
(3) M - Austin Collie (Ind - WR)
(4) Mike - Mario Manningham (NYG - WR)
(5) mtluke11 - Mike Sims-Walker (StL - WR)
(6) Freeze - Mark Ingram (NO - RB)
(7) JJ - Ryan Grant (GB - RB)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Kenny Britt (Ten - WR)
(9) Geezy - Fred Jackson (Buf - RB)
(10) bobby d.igital - Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Owen Daniels (Hou - TE)
(12) B.P. - Steve Smith (Car - WR)

Round 7
(1) B.P. - Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Sidney Rice (Sea - WR)
(3) bobby d.igital - Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
(4) Geezy - Santana Moss (Was - WR)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Jimmy Graham (NO - TE)
(6) JJ - Cedric Benson (Cin - RB)
(7) Freeze - Pierre Garcon (Ind - WR)
(8) mtluke11 - Josh Freeman (TB - QB)
(9) Mike - A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
(10) M - Jerome Simpson (Cin - WR)
(11) Stanley Saephan - Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
(12) Team 12 - Matthew Stafford (Det - QB)

Round 8
(1) Team 12 - Green Bay (GB - DEF)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Jahvid Best (Det - RB)
(3) M - Chris Cooley (Was - TE)
(4) Mike - Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)
(5) mtluke11 - Mikel LeShoure (Det - RB)
(6) Freeze - Philadelphia (Phi - DEF)
(7) JJ - Johnny Knox (Chi - WR)
(8) Gurn Blansten - New York (NYJ - DEF)
(9) Geezy - Baltimore (Bal - DEF)
(10) bobby d.igital - Kellen Winslow (TB - TE)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Chicago (Chi - DEF)
(12) B.P. - Detroit (Det - DEF)

Round 9
(1) B.P. - Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Mason Crosby (GB - K)
(3) bobby d.igital - New England (NE - DEF)
(4) Geezy - Nate Kaeding (SD - K)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
(6) JJ - Brandon Pettigrew (Det - TE)
(7) Freeze - Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K)
(8) mtluke11 - Roy Williams (Chi - WR)
(9) Mike - Neil Rackers (Hou - K)
(10) M - Joseph Addai (Ind - RB)
(11) Stanley Saephan - BenJarvus Green-Ellis (NE - RB)
(12) Team 12 - Matt Bryant (Atl - K)

Round 10
(1) Team 12 - Ryan Williams (Ari - RB)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Mike Tolbert (SD - RB)
(3) M - C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB)
(4) Mike - Kevin Kolb (Ari - QB)
(5) mtluke11 - Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE)
(6) Freeze - Jay Cutler (Chi - QB)
(7) JJ - Mark Sanchez (NYJ - QB)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Sam Bradford (StL - QB)
(9) Geezy - Beanie Wells (Ari - RB)
(10) bobby d.igital - Malcom Floyd (SD - WR)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Michael Bush (Oak - RB)
(12) B.P. - Ronnie Brown (Phi - RB)

Round 11
(1) B.P. - Braylon Edwards (SF - WR)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Jordy Nelson (GB - WR)
(3) bobby d.igital - LaDainian Tomlinson (NYJ - RB)
(4) Geezy - Kyle Orton (Den - QB)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Zach Miller (Sea - TE)
(6) JJ - Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE)
(7) Freeze - Rashad Jennings (Jac - RB)
(8) mtluke11 - Hines Ward (Pit - WR)
(9) Mike - Mike Thomas (Jac - WR)
(10) M - Danny Amendola (StL - WR)
(11) Stanley Saephan - New Orleans (NO - DEF)
(12) Team 12 - Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB)

Round 12
(1) Team 12 - Michael Crabtree (SF - WR)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Garrett Hartley (NO - K)
(3) M - Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
(4) Mike - Reggie Bush (Mia - RB)
(5) mtluke11 - New York (NYG - DEF)
(6) Freeze - Jacoby Ford (Oak - WR)
(7) JJ - Steve Breaston (KC - WR)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Minnesota (Min - DEF)
(9) Geezy - Plaxico Burress (NYJ - WR)
(10) bobby d.igital - Marcedes Lewis (Jac - TE)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - Mike Williams (Sea - WR)
(12) B.P. - Roy Helu (Was - RB)

Round 13
(1) B.P. - Greg Olsen (Car - TE)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Visanthe Shiancoe (Min - TE)
(3) bobby d.igital - Alex Henery (Phi - K)
(4) Geezy - Davone Bess (Mia - WR)
(5) Gurn Blansten - David Akers (SF - K)
(6) JJ - San Francisco (SF - DEF)
(7) Freeze - Deion Branch (NE - WR)
(8) mtluke11 - David Buehler (Dal - K)
(9) Mike - Lance Moore (NO - WR)
(10) M - Atlanta (Atl - DEF)
(11) Stanley Saephan - Robert Meachem (NO - WR)
(12) Team 12 - Jared Cook (Ten - TE)

Round 14
(1) Team 12 - Danario Alexander (StL - WR)
(2) Stanley Saephan - Jacoby Jones (Hou - WR)
(3) M - Nick Folk (NYJ - K)
(4) Mike - San Diego (SD - DEF)
(5) mtluke11 - Dallas (Dal - DEF)
(6) Freeze - Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE)
(7) JJ - Rob Bironas (Ten - K)
(8) Gurn Blansten - Ryan Torain (Was - RB)
(9) Geezy - Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE)
(10) bobby d.igital - Emmanuel Sanders (Pit - WR)
(11) Mitch Nyamwange - David Garrard (Jac - QB)
(12) B.P. - Tim Tebow (Den - QB)

Round 15
(1) B.P. - Marion Barber (Chi - RB)
(2) Mitch Nyamwange - Robbie Gould (Chi - K)
(3) bobby d.igital - Kansas City (KC - DEF)
(4) Geezy - Josh Brown (StL - K)
(5) Gurn Blansten - Lee Evans (Buf - WR)
(6) JJ - James Jones (GB - WR)
(7) Freeze - Jay Feely (Ari - K)
(8) mtluke11 - Benjamin Watson (Cle - TE)
(9) Mike - Brent Celek (Phi - TE)
(10) M - Mohamed Massaquoi (Cle - WR)
(11) Stanley Saephan - Donovan McNabb (Min - QB)
(12) Team 12 - Miami (Mia - DEF)

**morsdraconis** · 08-06-2011, 09:48 PM

Again, any and all suggestions, strategies, etc is MOST welcome.

This time around, I found an interesting breakdown of how to take advantage of PPR talent and used it's "outline" for that last mock draft. Not bad in my opinion though I hate having 3 spots taken up by Indy players but Collie and Wayne together are one of the best PPR tandems available.

Edit: Aw, shit. I fucked up. I should have taken Garcon instead of Collie.

**JBHuskers** · 08-06-2011, 09:55 PM

IMO it's a toss-up if both are still on the team. I think they are and didn't really sign anyone else , but I haven't really looked too deep yet into the Colts.

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**morsdraconis** · 08-06-2011, 10:03 PM

Well, Collie was better two years ago, but then Garcon stepped up QUITE a bit when Collie went down.

**JBHuskers** · 08-06-2011, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Well, Collie was better two years ago, but then Garcon stepped up QUITE a bit when Collie went down.

Yeah that's something I need to do some research on for later rounds.

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**JBHuskers** · 08-08-2011, 01:44 PM

Doing a mock draft right now to just kinda see how the flow of things are going this year.

First observation, RB/RB draft picks are just not happening any more. I went QB/WR with the first two picks.

**morsdraconis** · 08-08-2011, 01:53 PM

I've been going HB, WR, WR, WR, QB in preparation of my PPR leagues though I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

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