NCAA '12: Heisman 0 Threshold Sliders

Set 1
Settings - House Rules (Game Difficulty & Penalties)

Gameplay Options
Skill	Heisman
Injuries	On
Fatigue	On
Quarter Length	7 min
Play Clock	On
Coaching Tips	Off
Game Speed	Normal
Player Min Speed Threshold	0
Home Field Advantage Effects	On
Ice the Kicker	On
Game Rules
Offsides	85
False Start	85
Holding	85
Facemask	60
Offensive Pass Interference	100
Defensive Pass Interference	100
KR/PR Interference	100
Clipping	60
Intentional Grounding	100
Roughing the Passer	100
Roughing the Kicker	100
Custom AI
USER
QB Accuracy	35
Pass Blocking	50
WR Catching	65
RB Ability	45
Run Blocking	55
Pass Coverage	50
Pass Rush	35
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	35
Tackling	45
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45
CPU
QB Accuracy	35
Pass Blocking	50
WR Catching	65
RB Ability	45
Run Blocking	55
Pass Coverage	50
Pass Rush	35
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	35
Tackling	45
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45

Set 2
Settings - House Rules (Game Difficulty & Penalties)

Gameplay Options
Skill	Heisman
Injuries	On
Fatigue	On
Quarter Length	8 min
Play Clock	On
Coaching Tips	Off
Game Speed	Fast
Player Min Speed Threshold	0
Home Field Advantage Effects	On
Ice the Kicker	On
Game Rules
Offsides	85
False Start	85
Holding	57
Facemask	57
Offensive Pass Interference	100
Defensive Pass Interference	100
KR/PR Interference	100
Clipping	57
Intentional Grounding	100
Roughing the Passer	100
Roughing the Kicker	100
Custom AI
USER
QB Accuracy	15
Pass Blocking	15
WR Catching	35
RB Ability	10
Run Blocking	15
Pass Coverage	15
Pass Rush	5
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	15
Tackling	10
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	20
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45
CPU
QB Accuracy	15
Pass Blocking	15
WR Catching	35
RB Ability	10
Run Blocking	15
Pass Coverage	15
Pass Rush	5
Interceptions	35
Rush Defense	15
Tackling	10
FG Power	50
FG Accuracy	50
Punt Power	50
Punt Accuracy	50
Kickoff Power	45

What are you seeing that's making you want to tweak the sliders? I've played a few games with default heisman and been fairly impressed with how well it has played. My limited number of games, however, is a small sample, so I'm curious what you've seen. Thanks.

Honestly, I haven't seen much yet. I've put it down to 0 threshold on default and it played fairly well. I haven't really hit my stride because I want to ensure I have a strong grasp on the gameplay settings before I start 'tweaking like crazy'. Probably will hit it hard this weekend. With no wife present it should be fairly easy.

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Originally Posted by JerzeyReign

Honestly, I haven't seen much yet. I've put it down to 0 threshold on default and it played fairly well. I haven't really hit my stride because I want to ensure I have a strong grasp on the gameplay settings before I start 'tweaking like crazy'. Probably will hit it hard this weekend. With no wife present it should be fairly easy.

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What's the logic behind 0 threshold? It's one slider ive never really got to grips with. I mean I know precisely what it does I just never know how to modify it.

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Originally Posted by hampshire2012

What's the logic behind 0 threshold? It's one slider ive never really got to grips with. I mean I know precisely what it does I just never know how to modify it.

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0 means if you were to go into a game or practice with 99 speed running backs and wide receivers and a secondary full of 60 speed guys, the running backs and wide receivers would pretty much run circles around the secondary. With the threshold at 0, the speed rating for players truly comes into factor in the game as that's the only thing that differentiates one player from another with a 0 threshold when it comes to how fast or slow they are. If you have the threshold at 100, all the players play like they're the same speed rating. So a 60 speed cornerback would have no problem at all keeping up with a 99 speed wide receiver.

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Originally Posted by Whatcha

What are you seeing that's making you want to tweak the sliders? I've played a few games with default heisman and been fairly impressed with how well it has played. My limited number of games, however, is a small sample, so I'm curious what you've seen. Thanks.

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I fully agree with this. I've only played 3 Play Now games, but I'm really pleased with the default Heisman this year so far.

I agree. Thats why I want to see how much a 0 threshold effects the gameplay. So far not to differently as the AI matches up a lot better than last year. I won't even lie to you guys, my base hasn't swayed from default yet. My tweaking is for when we all get used to the new game and start seeing different things jump out. With me being in the military and my week full, the weekend looks to be the best time to dive completely into it barring any setbacks.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

0 means if you were to go into a game or practice with 99 speed running backs and wide receivers and a secondary full of 60 speed guys, the running backs and wide receivers would pretty much run circles around the secondary. With the threshold at 0, the speed rating for players truly comes into factor in the game as that's the only thing that differentiates one player from another with a 0 threshold when it comes to how fast or slow they are. If you have the threshold at 100, all the players play like they're the same speed rating. So a 60 speed cornerback would have no problem at all keeping up with a 99 speed wide receiver.

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Yeah I understand what it does, I've just ever understood how people decide to edit it. So i know that setting it to zero does what you've described, but is that too big a gap between fast and slow players? Is 50 too little? The devs must know what real life is on the slider.

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Originally Posted by hampshire2012

Yeah I understand what it does, I've just ever understood how people decide to edit it. So i know that setting it to zero does what you've described, but is that too big a gap between fast and slow players? Is 50 too little? The devs must know what real life is on the slider.

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I'll find some of the research others have put in. I personally just used the 'at 100' everyone plays at the same speed so 'at 0' they must play at their ratings. I have an example below of a 0 threshold play. #6 of Miami is a 94spd 93acc back. I think the quickest player on WF is a 90spd high 80s acceleration corner. If you look closely you can tell the exact moment I started to 'sprint'.

http://youtu.be/3iPhCFEV7_U

I've only played 2 games on default Heisman and it's been a while since I played '11, but so far it seems relatively easy.

I just smashed Boise State 38-0 with Georgia and I beat Clemson last night 32-15. But that's a small sample size.

Put up over 200 yards rushing with an 'average-rated' RB (Vincent Smith of UM) last night, busting two long TD runs during the game. Had a bunch of smaller 2-3 yard runs also of course with some 8-10 yarders thrown in also. I saved the highlights, but haven't uploaded them yet, but the speed seemed adequate as they showed him outrunning guys he should outrun and increasing the gap once he hit the open field.

Heisman really plays nicely this year out of the box. You get penalized for dumb throws bigtime, running isn't automatic but you can bust big ones even without star RBs, you better play smart on D as the CPU will abuse you but there isn't the robo-QB syndrome by any means so far, the CPU will hit you up deep if you neglect it, CPU can run the ball, CPU QB will run on you if nothing is open.........Heisman is a challenge, but it isn't cheap like some past versions. It really seems like they put some dedicated work into playcalling and how the CPU plays, although the CPU will make mistakes and be too aggressive at times so if you can recognize the coverage there are big plays to be had..........very nice.

@Austin -- I wish I could 'like' that post Facebook style :) They removed the famous force fields on Heisman making sliders difficult to tweak right now because it plays so 'right' right now. I'm really at a lost right now which is a good thing. The only thing I've changed is the 0 player threshold and I could call this the best 'out of the box' playing sports game this gen. Yes... it can be mentioned with MLB The Show in this category.

Just played SDSU (CPU) @ UNLV (Me) and lost 24-17. Score didn't reflect how dominant the SDSU offense was in this one as Tillman ran all over me. He had 191 total yards (149 on the ground). His speed made me keep an eye on him the whole time and it felt rewarding having to treat their star like a... star!

Hopefully, a patch doesn't mess things up but once everyone starts getting a little better and things are noticed please bring them up. I'll lab for you if you don't have the time.

Ray

Played one half with the above 'base' and for the first time I've actually been blown out playing as a cupcake versus a powerhouse. I (FAU) went down to Gainesville to take on Florida. Demps has been damn near impossible to contain and the whole Gator team is just too fast to keep track of. At the half its 34-10... my offense has been horrid and I've gotten a couple of lucky plays to even put points on the board.

Will start posting full stats this weekend.

Good to hear others are experiencing the same.

It is still very early in regards to time spent playing the game so far, but for the past several versions I was already tweaking sliders and unhappy with the default gameplay. That urge and feeling of it being a necessity hasn't hit me yet, as I'm not 'feeling' or seeing trends that used to piss me off to no end in past versions.

FWIW, I did some specific speed threshold testing for '11 (using edited test players running "sprints," i.e., streak routes as a base for comparison) and there was very little difference between setting the threshold at 0 and at default 50. If you took a player with 40 speed lined up against a player with 95 speed, and ran them for 50 yards, the 95 guy would get 5-7 extra yards of separation with threshold at 0 compared to 50. And, that's measured only after running deep for 50 yards (the extra separation being less than that after, say, 20 yards). As you might expect, the extra separation from setting the threshold at 0 was even smaller when comparing guys with a 95 speed to 85 speed. Anyway just thought I'd pass along the info. Ultimately I concluded that it was okay to leave it 50 because that's the default level that you can't change for user vs. user games anyway.

Finally made some tweaks. A video is currently processing that I will put up so you guys can see the set in action. The game was WSU (Me) at Washington. Only will upload the first half (sorry, I do a lot of half games during testing).

Gameplay Footage (Music Is NOT Safe For Work Or Children; Jay-Z Big Pimpin'):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6OvhfrqNKA

More Gameplay. Illinois (CPU) @ Michigan (Me). Great game. Trying to find out how to narrate the videos so I can explain the sliders better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOte3VbEbyY

Why does the "threshold" even exist in this game???

Why Can't a 95 speed guy best faster than a 90 speed guy on any difficulty setting ALWAYS???

One thing im noticing right away from your videos is that the screen pass is realistically effective whereas on default the cpu would always either pick it off or tackle for a loss. Ill give your sliders a shot from the vids they look good

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Originally Posted by CeeGee

Why does the "threshold" even exist in this game???

Why Can't a 95 speed guy best faster than a 90 speed guy on any difficulty setting ALWAYS???

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Its honestly in there to 'cover up' some of the flaws in the game. It covers up some of the 'stupid AI' playcalling for example they come out in a 4-3 versus a 3 Wide set because you picked a run play. If you audible to a pass, with the Threshold at 50, the AI will still be able to 'cover' your extra guy because the threshold makes them the 'same' speed. With it at Zero, mercy is not granted. God forgives, I don't. :)

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Originally Posted by TheRealist

One thing im noticing right away from your videos is that the screen pass is realistically effective whereas on default the cpu would always either pick it off or tackle for a loss. Ill give your sliders a shot from the vids they look good

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Let me know how they turn out. I'd really appreciate the feedback, good or bad.

FYI: I'll update this thread if any tweaks are made or if any comments are brought up. For more stats look inside the Offline Tracker section and find my Coaching Career post. I also have videos in there of every play from the offensive side of the ball.

Hold up, wait a minute! Man, I may have a set that is quite incredible. Just plugged in my NCAA '09 sliders and they play pretty damn good. Hmmm, still labbing though.

Call me crazy but this is what I'm using and getting some good games... still tweaking so don't run me over with a bus yet :)

Heisman
7 minute quarters
Fast
Zero Threshold

These are for both CPU and Human players

QB Acc - 10
Pass Blocking - 5
Run Blocking - 5
Pass Coverage - 10
Int-10

Special Teams may be placed wherever you see fit. If it wasn't mentioned, besides special teams, place it on zero. I was labbing a few weeks ago with these at 0 and this is as far as I got. Started playing today and realized they play pretty damn well. 3 game fluke? I don't know but I'll see.

Nevermind... false alarm, played another game and I'm completely shutting down USF with Rutgers... the tweaks have began :)

Played some games with the sliders you have up on the first page using Michigan against various equal strength opponents. The sliders play pretty well. Used the Miss State playbook to simulate a shotgun read option offense and I could do pretty well with the running game. The only issue I had was sacks. That pass rush is relentless and the CPU loves to blitz. That's a minor thing though and easy to adapt to with some practice.

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Originally Posted by strattjw

Played some games with the sliders you have up on the first page using Michigan against various equal strength opponents. The sliders play pretty well. Used the Miss State playbook to simulate a shotgun read option offense and I could do pretty well with the running game. The only issue I had was sacks. That pass rush is relentless and the CPU loves to blitz. That's a minor thing though and easy to adapt to with some practice.

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Thanks for trying them and the feedback.

Set 2, a whole different set, is now up on the first post. For video and stats (at least offensive for now) please check my Coaching Carousel Thread and check for any games made uploaded on today's date or later... 'The Coach Red Story'.

Got a couple of AIM messages about which game is for what set... Set 2 begins with Bowling Green... the video is still uploading but should be ready to go within the next hour. I've had two great games so far with these sliders. Won't spoil my CC but man... so far, so good.

Has anybody tried these?

I've been running Heisman on all default except for CPU pass coverage at 40. I'm wanting some changes and likely will turn down CPU pass rush a bit, but there isn't a whole lot else that is worrisome, except maybe give a bit more strength to the running games.

Rushing numbers look low on my stat sheet in my coaching career because of QB sacks being added. Most times thats an easy -40 or -50 yards of the rushing total. I've actually tweaked the PR just a bit to hopefully cut down on the amount of yards loss due to QB sacks.

Total rushing yards in 5 games from just my backs, excluding QB sacks/rushes: 508 yards
QB sacks has taken away 145 yards.

Set 2 has been tweaked. Pass rush for both sides will be lowered to 0. Will do some more testing this weekend before its official.

Which one of the two sets should give the most realistic stats, that's all i'm about right now.

I like Set 2 for more accurate stats. Against even or lesser teams you should still be able to 'do you' but against better schools you may struggle. What I've noticed with Set 2 is that special players do special things so you have to lean on your stars a lot if you want to win.

I cleaned up the tables in the first post. Let me know if anything additional needs cleaned up there. As well, I'll take a look at your dynasty report and see what it will take to clean that up.

whats the difference in game speed. If i change set 2 to slow will it mess up my stats?

Not sure. I don't use that setting due to the fact it seems guys are stuck in mud.

Set 2 edits: I'm now at 8 minute quarters and Pass Rush was moved to 5 for both sides.

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

I cleaned up the tables in the first post. Let me know if anything additional needs cleaned up there. As well, I'll take a look at your dynasty report and see what it will take to clean that up.

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Thank you again! :)

Have you made any changes since Patch 2 dropped. I really liked the sliders before the patch, was such a challenge.

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Originally Posted by itst76

Have you made any changes since Patch 2 dropped. I really liked the sliders before the patch, was such a challenge.

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Right now I'm trying to tweak the set for my online dynasty. Once that gets settled in I'll post those as well as work on a set for my offline games.