Penn State Football

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Plus, y'know, cancer.

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Yes, however, there is a point where someone just gives up.

I don't blame him.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Yes, however, there is a point where someone just gives up.

I don't blame him.

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Agreed. And I thought, for a very long time, that Joe would either die on the sideline in the middle of a game or he would die almost immediately after retiring. And there's part of me that thinks that's what happened here. But the other part of me just looks at the fact that an 85-year old man was fighting cancer, and I'm not sure I believe he could have beaten it, even without everything else going on. Not that I doubt the heart/drive/fight of Joe Paterno, but ... cancer is one hell of an opponent, even under the best of circumstances.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Agreed. And I thought, for a very long time, that Joe would either die on the sideline in the middle of a game or he would die almost immediately after retiring. And there's part of me that thinks that's what happened here. But the other part of me just looks at the fact that an 85-year old man was fighting cancer, and I'm not sure I believe he could have beaten it, even without everything else going on. Not that I doubt the heart/drive/fight of Joe Paterno, but ... cancer is one hell of an opponent, even under the best of circumstances.

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While I hear what you're saying, Coach Paterno had access to the best healthcare on the planet. Not many die so quickly with average healthcare, following a diagnosis. Cancer included. And this is from personal experience.

The man gave up. And I don't blame him (not that you do).

Coach Paterno will always have a place in my memory. Penn State, on the other hand, can eat shit.

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I have to say, it is nice to read the things being said about JoePa by guys like Bobby Bowden and Mack Brown. :)

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

I have to say, it is nice to read the things being said about JoePa by guys like Bobby Bowden and Mack Brown. :)

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Coach K from Duke was really good as well. Mike Ditka another one too. I have my PSU gear on today :up:

For Joe!

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12023/1205469-100.stm

Pennsylvania flags to fly at half-staff for Paterno
Monday, January 23, 2012
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

To honor the life of former Penn State University head football coach Joe Paterno, who died Sunday at 85, Gov. Tom Corbett ordered Pennsylvania flags across the commonwealth to half-staff until the funeral.

The order includes flags at the Capitol and at other commonwealth-controlled buildings and offices throughout Pennsylvania.

Funeral arrangements for Mr. Paterno were pending Monday morning.

Did anyone hear Todd Blackledge on SportsCenter? Basically, he said that the PSU Board of Trustees and the media played a part in Joe's death. That he died of a broken heart and that the BoT and media were to blame as much as the cancer and age.

Good for him! It's nice to hear someone speak their mind on this and not just pile on Coach Paterno to feed the media beast. He's absolutely right, too.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Did anyone hear Todd Blackledge on SportsCenter? Basically, he said that the PSU Board of Trustees and the media played a part in Joe's death. That he died of a broken heart and that the BoT and media were to blame as much as the cancer and age.

Good for him! It's nice to hear someone speak their mind on this and not just pile on Coach Paterno to feed the media beast. He's absolutely right, too.

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Ditka kind of mentioned that the media was wrong in their handling of this thing too. Same with Coach K.

Kinda nice to hear people speaking up now, even if it's to late in some people's eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uihZb2GCpk0

I respectfully disagree (kind of) with you guys on this one... I think that JoePa deserved what he got, although I do believe he deserved far more than a phone call. It is a sad situation all around and it is a shame that a storied & great career and life ended as it did. That being said, JoePa admitted that he didn't do enough himself. To me he needed to go immediately and that isn't the media's fault.

What he did does not erase all of the wonderful things he did in his lifetime. It did however, IMO, justify that his career was ended immediately.

The two things here are NOT mutually exclusive, JoePA was a great man who made a mistake and paid for it.

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Originally Posted by Kwizzy

I respectfully disagree (kind of) with you guys on this one... I think that JoePa deserved what he got, although I do believe he deserved far more than a phone call. It is a sad situation all around and it is a shame that a storied & great career and life ended as it did. That being said, JoePa admitted that he didn't do enough himself. To me he needed to go immediately and that isn't the media's fault.

What he did does not erase all of the wonderful things he did in his lifetime. It did however, IMO, justify that his career was ended immediately.

The two things here are NOT mutually exclusive, JoePA was a great man who made a mistake and paid for it.

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Well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. While the whole situation was terrible, Joe was a scapegoat. The media and the public jumped on Joe right from the beginning and it blew up into such a media circus that the university needed to react and firing Joe was the only thing that they could have done to semi save face. This was evident by the countless media staking out Joe's house and multiple multiple stories being written about him and yet early on in the story Sandusky, the true monster, nobody was even really talking about other than to say Joe's former assistant. He was cruising around town working out with no media following him at all. It was the PENN STATE FOOTBALL SCANDAL and not the Second Mile Scandal, where Sandusky actually got contact with these kids and it was his position with the charity that allowed him to conduct all of these terrible acts.

I do not believe the price he paid warranted his mistake. He received the information, he passed it along to higher powers and it fizzled. Should he have followed up, probably.(But at the time he trusted the men he passed it along to).

One other person that nobody even talks about is the head of the Second Mile that was told about the situation and what McQuery saw in 2002. And yet Sandusky was still allowed to be a part of the organization and have contact with the kids. I'm sorry but so many other people were more at fault than Joe, but Joe is the one that took the brunt of it. Why? Because he who is everyone knows and was the most public figure and sold the most newspapers.

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Originally Posted by psuexv

Well we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. While the whole situation was terrible, Joe was a scapegoat. The media and the public jumped on Joe right from the beginning and it blew up into such a media circus that the university needed to react and firing Joe was the only thing that they could have done to semi save face. This was evident by the countless media staking out Joe's house and multiple multiple stories being written about him and yet early on in the story Sandusky, the true monster, nobody was even really talking about other than to say Joe's former assistant. He was cruising around town working out with no media following him at all. It was the PENN STATE FOOTBALL SCANDAL and not the Second Mile Scandal, where Sandusky actually got contact with these kids and it was his position with the charity that allowed him to conduct all of these terrible acts.

I do not believe the price he paid warranted his mistake. He received the information, he passed it along to higher powers and it fizzled. Should he have followed up, probably.(But at the time he trusted the men he passed it along to).

One other person that nobody even talks about is the head of the Second Mile that was told about the situation and what McQuery saw in 2002. And yet Sandusky was still allowed to be a part of the organization and have contact with the kids. I'm sorry but so many other people were more at fault than Joe, but Joe is the one that took the brunt of it. Why? Because he who is everyone knows and was the most public figure and sold the most newspapers.

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Also Kwizzy just to touch on one part that the media themselves get so wrapped up about is the "wishes he had done more" comment. What is left out is the actual quote "in hindsight I wish I had done more" now given the man and example Joe has been i'd expect him to say exactly that and to mean it not just say it. This shouldn't be an act of admitting guilt like the media portrayed it to be.

I'll also add had his superiors not dropped the ball and reported this to the correct authorities none of this would have happened. Sure I know we have hashed this a few times but I can't get past the fact that Joe was told something of a sexual nature may have occurred as told to him by McQueary he then reported it to his bosses who should have reported it to children and youth services who then should have reported it to the police. The problem is Joe did it by the book, followed university protocol and the law as outlined (I'll edit to include after this) and yet like Eric said he was portrayed as the predator or accessory to said predator by the media and forced the BOT to act.

This was posted on fightonstate by a law enforcement officer according to the moderator there:

Title 23: Domestic Relations, section 6311:
(c) STAFF MEMBERS OF INSTITUTIONS,
ETC. — Whenever a person is required to report
under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member
of the staff of a medical or other public or
private institution, school, facility or agency,
that person shall immediately notify the person
in charge of the institution, school, facility or
agency or the designated agent of the person in
charge. Upon notification, the person in charge
or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the
responsibility and have the legal obligation to
report or cause a report to be made in accordance
with section 6313. This chapter does not
require more than one report from any such
institution, school, facility or agency.




Joe was caught in the middle of two different groups of people that should or could have done more. McQueary and his father and friend could and should have called 911 that night. Then the other group where Joe reported it to his bosses like he was supposed to but they didn't report it either. So since they dropped the ball all on their ends Joe took the fall for it.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Also Kwizzy just to touch on one part that the media themselves get so wrapped up about is the "wishes he had done more" comment. What is left out is the actual quote "in hindsight I wish I had done more" now given the man and example Joe has been i'd expect him to say exactly that and to mean it not just say it. This shouldn't be an act of admitting guilt like the media portrayed it to be.

I'll also add had his superiors not dropped the ball and reported this to the correct authorities none of this would have happened. Sure I know we have hashed this a few times but I can't get past the fact that Joe was told something of a sexual nature may have occurred as told to him by McQueary he then reported it to his bosses who should have reported it to children and youth services who then should have reported it to the police. The problem is Joe did it by the book, followed university protocol and the law as outlined (I'll edit to include after this) and yet like Eric said he was portrayed as the predator or accessory to said predator by the media and forced the BOT to act.

This was posted on fightonstate by a law enforcement officer according to the moderator there:

Title 23: Domestic Relations, section 6311:
(c) STAFF MEMBERS OF INSTITUTIONS,
ETC. — Whenever a person is required to report
under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member
of the staff of a medical or other public or
private institution, school, facility or agency,
that person shall immediately notify the person
in charge of the institution, school, facility or
agency or the designated agent of the person in
charge. Upon notification, the person in charge
or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the
responsibility and have the legal obligation to
report or cause a report to be made in accordance
with section 6313. This chapter does not
require more than one report from any such
institution, school, facility or agency.




Joe was caught in the middle of two different groups of people that should or could have done more. McQueary and his father and friend could and should have called 911 that night. Then the other group where Joe reported it to his bosses like he was supposed to but they didn't report it either. So since they dropped the ball all on their ends Joe took the fall for it.

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Well said Snoop. By all means I'm not trying to remove Joe from making a mistake, he did in a sense. He trusted others to act accordingly and possibly failed a moral obligation to follow up. But the shit stormed that he endured was what upsets me. I guarantee that if it was some no name head coach at podunk state the focus would have been on the person committing the crime. Look at the Syracuse case. Why aren't people at ESPN losing their jobs and reputations being drug through the dirt?

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Originally Posted by psuexv

Well said Snoop. By all means I'm not trying to remove Joe from making a mistake, he did in a sense. He trusted others to act accordingly and possibly failed a moral obligation to follow up. But the shit stormed that he endured was what upsets me. I guarantee that if it was some no name head coach at podunk state the focus would have been on the person committing the crime. Look at the Syracuse case. Why aren't people at ESPN losing their jobs and reputations being drug through the dirt?

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At ESPN or any other media outlet these days there jobs are not to cover the news their job is to create the news they want you to believe. They have the ability to leave out or misquote or simple misstate things without having to answer to anyone. Makes reporting "journalism (I say that very loosely)" very easy these days.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

At ESPN or any other media outlet these days there jobs are not to cover the news their job is to create the news they want you to believe. They have the ability to leave out or misquote or simple misstate things without having to answer to anyone. Makes reporting "journalism (I say that very loosely)" very easy these days.

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This is true of all media these days. It's one of my biggest complaints about our society. They are not telling the truth. They are selling ad time. ...there is no money in the truth.


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Originally Posted by Deuce

This is true of all media these days. It's one of my biggest complaints about our society. They are not telling the truth. They are selling ad time. ...there is no money in the truth.


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Exactly, it's a shame really.

Not trying to say the media doesn't have it's motives by any means. Bottom line to me, and to most people who are not Penn St fans... Joe Pa had several chances to do more than he did to ensure more children were not hurt and he didn't. Now he's not the only one who didn't, McQuery is at the top of my personal shit list for not ending it all in that shower, but he is the face of that institution and he had more than enough info to ensure that it stopped and yet he did the legal minimum.

I understand the speed and manner in which this happened is a direct result of the media's coverage, but in the end this is what he deserved IMO. You will never convince me that he deserved a pass when you reasonably look at the shit that was going on AFTER he had kicked it up the ladder and NOTHING happened.

For the record, I am not implying that Joe Pa is a POS, or a bad person, or even remotely the biggest offender in this situation. Simply put, he made a bad mistake and IMO (and most people's opinions) that mistake was severe enough to warrant him losing his job.

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By all means I'm not trying to remove Joe from making a mistake, he did in a sense

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This is I think where the majority of our disagreement lies IMO... There are no 2 ways about it, he made a HUGE mistake. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Kwizzy

You will never convince me that he deserved a pass when you reasonably look at the shit that was going on AFTER he had kicked it up the ladder and NOTHING happened..

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Discussing this any further just wouldn't make any sense, seems we agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Discussing this any further just wouldn't make any sense, seems we agree to disagree.

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Fair enough... :D

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eBay PULLS Joe Paterno Funeral Tickets Over Policy Violation http://bit.ly/yfnj7R

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

eBay PULLS Joe Paterno Funeral Tickets Over Policy Violation http://bit.ly/yfnj7R

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Yeah so glad they did, what classless people trying to make a back for free tickets. I logged on and reported all that I saw :D

Here's something I thought some of you would find interesting, particularly because he ties it to the NCAA Football Franchise. I understand exactly where this guy is coming from, even though my reason(s) for "jumping ship" are a bit different than his. Below is his initial post in this series, but he has followed it up since then, if you care to read them.

http://thesteelersnat.blogspot.com/2...ping-ship.html

I'll say, that's at least an interesting way of doing it.

This didn't take long.

https://p.twimg.com/Ak8GTtlCQAAoClC.png

Actual headline on ESPN :sick:

Accuser: Sandusky called self 'tickle monster'

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Actual headline on ESPN :sick:

Accuser: Sandusky called self 'tickle monster'

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thats outside the field and his problem now. I just hope the QBs matured in some way,shape or form...? !

Penn State plays Navy this year. Thats kind of a old school surprise !

They've been scheduled to play for probably over 5 years now. Not really a surprise. :fp:

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They've been scheduled to play for probably over 5 years now. Not really a surprise. :fp:

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ram doesn't have time to follow that news. C'mon, man!

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

ram doesn't have time to follow that news. C'mon, man!

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My bad. :D I forgot, he's too busy jumping on different bandwagons from week to week to keep up with future scheduling.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

They've been scheduled to play for probably over 5 years now. Not really a surprise. :fp:

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

ram doesn't have time to follow that news. C'mon, man!

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

My bad. :D I forgot, he's too busy jumping on different bandwagons from week to week to keep up with future scheduling.

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:)yeah, I've got other things on my mind then a football schedule 5 fucking years from now.
I'm so happy for you smooth that you already knew that.

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Originally Posted by NatureBoy

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No surprise. It's one thing to have 1 boy accuse you of stuff but when you have double digit dudes making claims, you're meat on a stick. The trial was a mere formality.

I just hope Penn State doesnt turn into a Kent State or something and disappear

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

I just hope Penn State doesnt turn into a Kent State or something and disappear

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One or a few idiots won't bring down or represent the true meaning of Penn State University.