One thing is for sure, Rev Al and Jessie will be there. I wonder if they are going to preach to those who took advantage of a tragic situation to loot and vandalize?Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
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One thing is for sure, Rev Al and Jessie will be there. I wonder if they are going to preach to those who took advantage of a tragic situation to loot and vandalize?Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Nope. Evidence starting to trickle in that the kid pushed the cop back into his car and tried to grab the cop's gun and apparently a shot was fired inside the police car during the struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
IF that story holds up the cop was indeed justified in using deadly force under the law as the kid was a fleeing felon and a risk to others in the community.
Of course, when the report comes out showing the kid's finger prints on the gun as well as the officer's what will the race bait types do then? No doubt they will argue the evidence has been faked and the morons ransacking rather nice malls and small business stores, gas stations etc... will carry on with their nonsense.
AL SHARPTON HEADS TO ST. LOUIS FOLLOWING RIOTS
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...e-For-St-Louis
Yep gotta make that money spewing nonsense and taking money mostly from people who have very little to give away to begin with.
The biggest problem, so far, is that "evidence" in this case equals rumor. I've heard so many variations on what the story/evidence is that it's not even funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Plus, even if there was a shot fired during a struggle, the "witnesses" are alleging that the kid had stopped, put his hands up, and then was shot multiple times. We know the last part is at least true because the chief of the County police said it was "more than two".
Also, you're so late on this ... I posted a reference to it in the Can't Sleep thread Sunday night ;)
I'm not one to normally get all political but the shit happening in Ferguson, MO is getting out of control:
Police firing rubber bullets and tear gas into a crowd>> Reporters arrested in Ferguson http://t.co/rc9mYQHcNo via @POLITICO
— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) August 14, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApzDwjxfgs
Very scary stuff. Video of the arrest of a reporter. I realize there has to be a police presence due to the looting and such but it is turning into a police state.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv...abb_video.html
https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/499756319822577664
The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming.
Protesters try to light a Molotov cocktail as police ready to advance in
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu98q54CEAIeJEb.jpg
Another fun night in STL. I thought the news was depressing before all this.
Incredible image of protester engulfed by tear gas in #Ferguson tonight. via @stltoday. http://t.co/VJdlbtJeX0 pic.twitter.com/HXZyzrMIFq
— Jim Roberts (nycjim.bsky.social) (@nycjim) August 14, 2014
To be fair and balanced, here is what the police are dealing with
http://imgur.com/a/QSRmH?gallery#o5aSkMu
That said, there's no reason to arrest reporters, prevent helicopters, etc. Even the Governor of Missouri today had to make a statement saying, "If people in the news media want to take pictures and cover stuff they ought to do it. We live in a free country".
All I will say is when the dumb press reporters are shot, robbed etc... by the mob they have no business complaining the police did not protect them.
Putting this crap on t.v. only glorifies rioting to the dumb masses in other cities so the next time there is an incident they feel wronged on they too will loot stores, throw Molotovs at the po po and destroy private property.
I've never understood why fucking idiots feel the need to go around destroying and burning shit just because they're angry about something. Jesus fucking Christ. Send every single one of those ingrate fucks to prison or ship their ass off to a remote island and let them kill each other.
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They look for a reason to get free shit. The live for it. Typical.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
What are you talking about? This guy is just getting his protest wine...Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
http://i.imgur.com/GNeq6O7.jpg
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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
It really is disgusting. The way our modern society has become is quite a disgrace. Nobody takes responsibility; it's always someone else's fault; I can do what I want when I want; ... etc. If I ever saw my kid do something like that I would drive him to the police myself. Today, everyone is an "innocent victim." The parents will probably sue the person who took the picture!!! :fp:Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
We as a society no longer seem to have empathy.
The root cause of this mentality is pretty easy to identify - but its a lost cause both here and to the public at large so why bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
It is showing my age that the first thing that annoyed me about the image was his sagging pants.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
He hurt his point by acting stupid at times but as a black dude, I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Last night one of the local reporters was on location and there were gunshots heard. A police officer recommended they leave, which they did. I don't think any reporter would take issue with the police trying to protect them. But to order them to pack up in the middle of the day, in a McDonalds, with little to no dialogue on why they were being asked to leave, that's a completely different situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
This isn't Fallujah. The protesters have shown no intent, that I've heard of or observed, to injure, intimidate, or interfere with any member of the media. Forcing, not asking, them to move under no threat is irrational.
Agreed. These events just reinforce that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Only listened to the first 30 seconds or so (I imagine the rest of it is pretty much the same thing over and over), but he's spot on. Regardless of what your skin color is, it's spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
I haven't followed the Michael Brown story too closely but I thought this article from AP was very informative.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael...bery-1.2737306
And now the law....Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Assuming this story is true the officer was justified in using deadly force when the suspects attacked him and attempted to take his gun (assault of an officer and attempted murder of a police officer).
At that point they were fleeing felons who had shown on 2 prior occasions on that day their propensity for violence: #1 robbery by force at the store; #2 physically attacking the police officer and trying to kill him with his gun.
http://www.abc17news.com/news/attemp...force/27485056
you think the riots are bad now just wait when the either the officer is cleared of all wrong doing or he is found not guilty.
Missouri statute on the issue. Brown committed a felony (assault/attempted murder of officer) possibly used the officer's gun (deadly weapon) to escape and was a danger to others life or physical injury (already assaulted the store worker and police officer that day and those things tend to escalate quickly).Quote:
Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.
563.046.
1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.
2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.
3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only
(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or
(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested
(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or
(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or
(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.
4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section
Haven't followed the story, just hearing about since G posted honestly.
Did here of this story though. Haven't followed it either though or the investigation
https://news.vice.com/article/video-...kehold-by-nypd
I am not saying anyone deserves to be shot but there is a reason the family did not want the tape released. He comes of as a common thug. Just taking what he wanted and bullying the store clerk as he walk out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
What about the part above what you bolded. "Is immediately necessary to effect the arrest".Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that means you don't need to shoot an unarmed, non-resisting man between three and eight times.
Also, in your previous post when you mentioned that they had previously committed a felony, jaymo's link, contains a quote from the Ferguson Police Chief that admits the officer knew nothing about the robbery when he approached Brown. So he didn't have any proof of any previous act at that time. Unless walking while black was the previous crime.
Sorry if I sound pissed off or like I'm singling you out, but this has been a long week, and seeing this story dominate the headlines, both locally and nationally, hasn't made it any better. Especially when some of my co-workers have fundamentally missed the point of what's going on, being protested, etc.
In regards to the fact that the officer didn't know Brown was involved in the robbery earlier in the day, that doesn't take into account the fact that Brown may have not known why the officer was confronting them. The two teens were walking in the middle of the street and the officer asked them to move... it's highly possible that Brown thought the officer was confronting them due to the robbery. Obviously that's pure speculation and no one will know, but if the reports of him wrestling with the officer are true, that's probably what sparked it... Brown thought he was fighting to stay out of jail.
At the end of the day, it's unfortunate. But how both sides have handled it since then have been atrocious.
Another thug off the streets and, better yet, not wasting tax dollars in prison. Good riddance.
Agreed. And it bothers me to see a lot of it done by the County Police, the same group that is charged with protecting me and mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
One positive last night. There were more looters and troublemakers out last night, mostly young people unfortunately, but protesters and a local politician were among the group that stood in their way and put a stop to it. Police were not involved in ending that looting. If the people of Ferguson start talking more responsibility for stopping the troublemakers in the area from destroying their own neighborhoods, good for them. Maybe this story will get back to being about the protesting and not the chaos and violence.
Wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
It has come out that the officer didn't know about the robbery - but that doesn't matter b/c Brown was still a fleeing violent felon.
The facts appear to be - The officer told the kids to get out of the middle of the street (jaywalking = misdemeanor). The kids apparently refused and at least one of them (presumably Brown) attacked the officer. Once Brown pushed the officer and tried to grab the officer's gun (and potentially even fired the gun in the car during the struggle) he became a violent felon and the officer certainly knew that (assault/attempted murder of a police officer is certainly a felony). Moreover to call Brown "non-resisting" lacks any credibility considering the facts the investigation has brought forth so far (i.e. struggle in the car and a shot fired).
Presumably after struggling for the gun (and losing that attempt) he ran attempting to escape (after all why else do you run from the po po). Thus the shooting became "immediately necessary" due to the distance Brown (the violent felon) had put between himself and the officer.
Bottom line, you comply with an officer's commands and you CERTAINLY NEVER touch a police officer and try to grab his gun. Brown just got what was coming to him. It is as simple as that.
It is people like you, you know, folks with jobs that give a bad name to our entitled thugs, rioters, losers and my favorite protesters . If you would just quit working you would have way more time to seize upon opportunities to steal and rob from dumbasses with jobs...............Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
:cool:
Supposedly a Ferguson shop owner today after people were looting his store last night.
http://i.imgur.com/dFrTvrU.jpg
With all the rioting and looting and destruction of property going on there, I don't blame that guy one bit (if that is a Ferguson store owner). I'd be doing the same thing to protect my business and my products for sale from a rampage of wild asses.
You have ignored the "fact" that witnesses have reported that Brown was not fleeing when shot, but was instead facing the officer with his hands up. This is why the protesters have been shouting "Hands up, don't shoot". This suggests, strongly, that it was not necessary or time-critical to shoot Brown. Especially "more than two" times (quote from County Police chief).Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Also, regarding the "facts" of the case: Ferguson Police Chief's Story on Michael Brown Keeps Evolvoing at http://www.thewire.com/national/2014...-brown/376130/ (I have no idea what The Wire is as a news source, but the article headline caught my eye. This story has changed way too many times for my liking.)
Grantland's first hand account from Ferguson: http://grantland.com/features/fergus...murder-police/
That's b/c their "story" smells to high heaven and its only a matter of time before their lies fall apart....Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/1686...uson-shooting/
My point is that there's a lot of fishy, inconsistent shit going on. And the Ferguson police have fumbled the release of information from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
There was another officer-involved shooting two nights later in the same area. It was quickly reported that there was a weapon either shown to or pointed at the officer involved. As far as I've seen, no one has so much as grumbled about that one.
BTW, going back to an earlier post of yours, as of Friday the police were still not willing to say that Brown was the one that was allegedly in the car reaching for the weapon. So while it's understandable to assume that, given the situation, the fact that they don't know it for sure just adds to the problem of the circumstances being utterly unclear.
In this day and age I am still surprised nobody got cellphone footage of the incident.
Not to continue picking on the Ferguson police, but "in this day and age", I can't believe that they didn't have (and allegedly can't afford) dash cameras in their police cars. At least one report has said that they have them but can't afford to install them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty