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At this point I'd be SHOCKED if Pryor ever played football again. Not just for Ohio St. but anywhere of any note. He is NOT an NFL QB and with his ego/bagage I would hope that all of the NFL teams pass.
Someone will give him a chance for his arm/size. If anything he'll be a receiver.
I didn't see this earlier, but bullshit! These players know goddamn well what the hell they are doing. There are NCAA compliance meetings/classes the athletes go through, freshmen orientation for the athletes, etc. These players know DAMN WELL what the hell they can and can't do, what they can and can't accept, etc. So to say they're not to blame, or not as much to blame because they're just following those ahead or before them, or for some players who have claimed they didn't know this or that, bullshit! I'm not even a damn athlete in college football and I know AT LEAST the basics of what players can and can't do and what they can and can't take/receive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
Who in college is 16?
i knew plenty of people in the military that were expected to follow the damn rules when they were 18-22 lol, and they do not even get the smoke pot like football players...
I'm guessing he's talking more about the high school kids, juniors and seniors. They see all this stuff going on and then they basically emulate it when they get to college. And I still totally disagree. You damn well can blame them for "following like fools". If they're that stupid to ignore all the trouble others are getting into and all the compliance seminars and orientations that athletes go through, then they damn well are to blame the most, if not completely. To lay the blame on the coaches and the administration, but not put a big amount of blame on the athletes as well, does nothing but facilitate this behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody
If athletes want to keep doing this shit, boom, your ass is gone for the season, if not for good. Take Pryor for instance, he absolutely deserves to be kicked off the team and I hope he is. If he was anything younger than a senior, I'd say kick his ass off forever and not let him come back at all, even if he were to sit out an entire season or two. Hell, if I was Pryor, I wouldn't want to come back at all either. The entire Buckeye team is supremely pissed off at you right now for all the shit you have brought upon the team and the school, between Tressel resigning/getting run out, and the hell that is gonna be brought down upon Ohio State by the NCAA in the future.
If the NCAA and the administrations really want to get the point across to players to stop doing this crap, they need to put in a policy of "you get caught, you permanently lose your entire eligibility regardless", whether you're a senior or a freshman. None of this being suspended for a year or something like has been seen with some other players in the past. If you're willing to risk your entire college eligibility, well either you're a dumbass or more power to you. But it'll make some players think REAL DAMN HARD in the future if they want to take that chance.
When I was a student athletic trainer at Southern Miss, we had to go to similar meetings ourselves. The one they really harped on was gambling. Because we knew who was hurt and who wasn't and who would/could probably play, we couldn't use that inside info to make bets. We were always told it could come back on us through organized crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
If they really want to stop it give the players more of an incentive than a scholarship. They cant even get jobs to earn money due to practices and other BS NCAA rules. If I played football I would accept loaded handshakes as well, I was broke in college and I was able to work, so I can only imagine what they can/cant afford not being able to work, Pryor accepting cars and the like was just stupid and arrogant but you cant honestly believe that a scholarship is worth all the money they bring in for he schools?
The NCAA is nothing short of a pimp on these kids.
The way Sallie Mae owns my soul now, I gladly would take a free education plus room & board for 4-5 years over getting loans and "having the opportunity" to work at Wal-Mart or Burger King. Plus, playing football GREATLY increases your chances of getting some poontang. The Southern Miss athletic department paid for my room & board to basically be the athletic dorm's live in babysitter.........I mean, athletic trainer. They knew I kept a HUGE stash of protection just for them (and a handful for myself :))and believe me, they ran through 'em.Quote:
Originally Posted by oweb26
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Even if you use the shittest cost benefit analysis, getting 4-5 years free room and board, doesn't even remotely equate to 1% of the football revenue. Now if you are some second, third string guy who will never get into the NFL or see alot of PT then absoluetly its worth it for you, but most of the people getting caught are guys who will be in the NFL and make a shit ton of money for the schools, and saying that these guys agreed to do is a weaker argument because in essence if they want to get into the NFL they have no choice but to go through the pimp system.Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
College football is making soooo much money now that no matter how stupid, arrogant you are you realize when you are being used and you dont have to be a math major to see that 2+2=10 in the world of college football.
PS. I too am Sallie Mae's bitch for the rest of my life.
This. Because this is not a limited Pryor thing or just the tatt-for-gear players. Tress has a history of it..........the AD's office knew there was smoke years ago, and they chose to ignore it with 'spot checks'. Bullshit. They all are at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
The damage control plan from inside and those with influence has been in effect for a while now...........see how quickly fingers turned towards Tress and Pryor? When the O$U admins were making jokes and downplaying it just a couple months back? They knew and they thought they could get away with it. Now, to save themselves with the NCAA, Pryor and others will get thrown under the bus (not that they aren't without guilt) to ease the penalties. They better plan very carefully though, as they rub these guys the wrong way and full expose interviews might be granted. See Maurice Clarett, who they sold out quick. They've even attacked Herbstreit......
And everyone is going to act surprised by what comes out, despite O$U having like 300+ recruiting violations over the past decade that they just self-reported away conveniently to just have to get the silly little NCAA hand-slaps.
Best case scenario for you at this point is if Fickell lives up to his very good coaching reputation and does a superb job this season so they don't have to go through a coaching search plus try to keep the duct tape holding 2+ recruiting classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
There will be fallout, the question is how long.
With the sanctions expected, Fickell or a young name like the Hazell guy at Kent State...........
Maybe the O$U compliance office can take some summer courses from Texas' compliance office?
http://recruitocosm.fantake.com/2011...ional-control/
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Good read, thanks for sharing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Excellent read. I hate 'em, but Texas definitely appears to be doing it the right way.
I love how you come out of the woodwork every so often, Austin ;) But yeah, clearly the OSU compliance office needs some remedial education. Hell, the entire Ath. Dept. does. This entire mess has been mismanaged from the start.
After sleeping on it, and thinking about the fact that Pryor showed up with yet another new car on Monday -- I retract my previous statement about being surprised if they find something. I'll still be a little surprised if the cars aren't, at least, mostly legitimate. Simply because there have already been investigations into that. However, I will be stunned if nothing is found on Pryor. The more I think about it, the more I get a Reggie Bush / Marcus Dupree / Maurice Clarett vibe where it all seems too good to be true. Pryor clearly feels like he's entitled, and I'm sure the atmosphere in Columbus has only fed that feeling.
At this point, I think Pryor is going to be our version of Reggie Bush and going to be the catalyst that gets us a series of punishments.
That might be the only positive I see in any of this. Fickell is one of our primary recruiters, and has been for years. I haven't looked at this year's class specifically, but it's likely that most of our prime targets are at least familiar with him. So if anyone is able to keep the recruits in house, he'd be one. He's had one success on that front already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
dude, you are talking about morals and intelligence and none of that applies here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Major college sports is a black market..yes of course people are responsible for their actions but this is a privileged world in major ncaa sports. You cant compare guys who inlist in the military or military colleges to self absorbed all star athletes.
and even some of the best raised kids dont think properly at that young age. The older you get you will realize no kid gets it. Thats called wisdom and takes a while to sink in.
they are still influenced by the people around them and when a top 20 school bends all the rules, that is considered the norm and everyone follows..each individual has to take his own life into account, but on a mass level you cant blame the kids as much as leaders who make it and let it happen.
sure,we all say a scholorship is enough but in truth, thats minimal exchange for national tv exposure and everything else that comes with it
ultimately ,what this says is, this is the norm, USC Ohio State aren't surprises, aren't rarities, this is the staus quo...you forget about Auburn already?
and i dont mean to be mean but that Texas article means nothing. Some scrub writing about not seeing the shady stuff?
thats because he wasnt good enough to be or cared to be around it. That doesnt mean it wasnt going down.
some schools may only do 50 % of what USC or OSU did, but that basically means everyone is doing it...just like the Player from UNC said who was suspended for a year
Calling a former military member a scrub? Rather manly of you, considering he put his name and word out there, citing future star NFL players who drove around in junk cars and if they *were* on the take surely didn't flaunt it, so at the least they are a whole lot smarter than O$U's players. He addresses your subjective point clearly in his article in regards to "......thats because he wasnt good enough to be or cared to be around it. That doesnt mean it wasnt going down."
Could it be a 'hide' piece? Sure. But I put more faith in a former military vet who played for UT to live his dream than some guy posting on TGT forums, using the old 'well, everyone else must be doing it' argument.
Hey Jeff, I'm lurking, just not posting a lot. Young kids and lots of work will do that to ya. That and not wanting to burn out on NCAA too early.