no way that microsoft waits til e3 to show their new console. they wont share the spotlight with sony and nintendo on this. they'll get their own press conference on tv.
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no way that microsoft waits til e3 to show their new console. they wont share the spotlight with sony and nintendo on this. they'll get their own press conference on tv.
I could definitely live with $350. It's a hell of a lot better than the $500, $600+ that there being rumored off and on over the past years. $350 is pretty well in line with what the upper end consoles (250GB on 360, etc) costs now.
They'll both have their own conferences before E3. I'll personally be holding off until I see some games. I am less than thrilled with Microsoft's recent obsession with the casual crowd. They have what...one exclusive this year? I realize they're revealing new hardware, but when your competition has a God of War game coming out and perhaps the freshest looking game in a LONG time(The Last of Us), one exclusive doesn't really cut it.
On the other hand, I've been massively disappointed with Sony this generation. They had their heads up their asses for the vast majority of it and have tried to Call of Duty a bunch of their key franchises instead of giving fans what they want(ahem: SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, Resistance 2&3, etc...). Top that off with their horrific online service and you have a recipe for disaster. The absolutely ONLY thing that saved them was their reputation and their first party studios. If it weren't for Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, and Sony Santa Monica, I would've ditched Sony a long time ago. They better have a huge emphasis on online services, focus on the core gamer, and launch before or around the same time as Microsoft unless they want to continue bleeding money.
Look the games this year after say May are virtually NONEXISTENT on both consoles. It looks like all of the "major" titles (non-sports) are going to be released in the 1st half of this year. After that I imagine there will be a significant lull while everyone is working on the next next-gen.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Basically NOONE knows.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-57...nch-in-spring/
You never know. Apple just drops shit out of the sky. I've heard that Sony and Microsoft are taking the same announcing approach. Holding their own conferences to announce, so it's feasible they end the conference with "hey get in line now".Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
I really doubt MS or Sony could manage to keep something like that secret without it leaking. They would have to notify retailers etc... and once it is out of the company its pretty much a guarantee to leak to the press/public.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
How does Apple keep it a secret then?Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
They don't. IShit info leaks all the time they even sued some guy who "took" some Apple employee's prototype Iphone who "left" it at a bar.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
FWIW, they recently overtook the 360 in worldwide sales.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Also, while I agree that XBL is "better", I think calling PSN horrific is a severe embellishment.
They're still hemorrhaging money. Their TV/computers/other electronic products suck for the most part. They've been making a profit off the PS3 for 2 or 3 years now, but it's not going to be enough to cover what they've lost in their other departments. I'm not even going to mention the Vita. It kills me to think I forked over $500+ for games and a system that more than likely isn't even going to be supported after this year because of how terrible the sales have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
They're just lucky they've had so much overseas success. The 360 has pretty well dominated the PS3 in America, which I'm actually looking to change with the next generation of consoles IF Sony is smart about pricing and they release their console before or around the same time as Microsoft. Microsoft has been, and I think will continue, investing heavily in the casual market. That's fine and dandy, but if you look at sales numbers of games like Uncharted, Gears of War, Call of Duty, Halo, etc...it's pretty clear the kind of games people want. I trust Sony a whole hell of a lot more to continue developing core games than I do Microsoft.
Sony screwed themselves the second they released a console a year later than their competition and then smacked it with a $600 price tag.
Anyway, it may not be horrific now, but all in all this generation, I'd definitely label it horrific. No access to messages or anything while playing a game for the first 18 months of the console's life. After it was added, it was slow to load in game...still is. No cross game chat. No party system. No cross game invites. Half the games don't support invites through the XMB at all. New store looks nice but is extremely slow. Got hacked. Downloads are slower than those on Live, and then I have to sit there and watch the stupid thing install(I hate this more than anything else PS3 related). Some of the game patches are just enormous where as there's a strict limit on Live(4MB, I believe).
Don't get me wrong, it's way better than it was. Plus is nice, but it's more or less just games rather than features. I'd much rather pay $50 a year for access to a party system and cross game chat than "free" games. But, they've been coming around slowly. The Vita has some of those features that I mentioned, although the party system is kind of half assed, so it's at least encouraging to see Sony realize where their priorities should be - online features and exclusive AAA games.
That's why I never buy anything other than the main Xbox/PS systems, because god only know if those side systems will even sell and how long they'll get any support and plus it's extra cash you gotta fork over on top of the main console. Then the issues that the 360 experienced early on and stuff, that's why I never buy the new systems for at least a year after they come out. I wait a year or two, let newer or improved versions of the system come out, maybe see a price drop in there somewhere, and then jump to the new console. It was 2008 or 2009 before I even got a 360, sticking with the regular old Xbox and my PS2. It'll be the same here with the new consoles. It will be at least one or two years before I'll even consider upgrading from the 360. As long as they still put out games for the 360, I'll be fine with it still for the next couple years.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
First, "Ah, you meant Sony, not just the PS3. Got it."
Second, I still wouldn't call that horrific. Worse than XBL, sure. But nothing you listed personally bothers me. I guess that's why I think horrific was an overstatement. But it does make more sense now.
Yeah I don't own a 360 and I've never really payed much attention to Live (the whole concept of paying for it turns me OFF) but I don't have any real complaints about PSN (other than the much publicized hacking issues)Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
I completely agree Smooth. It blows me away that people buy consoles when they first come out. I've NEVER bought a console day 1 and I never will. You're just asking for problems if you do considering how this generation's consoles have went.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Yeah, with PS3, I think I waited til the 7th month or so. I think I'll get a PS4 much earlier. I didn't jump into the 360 game until around late 2008 I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
WTF :D
Our insurance company uses encryption software to not allow you to transfer files to an external. You're saying they don't have that stuff?
I guess I should say it's horrific for me. I buy most of my multiplatform games on the 360 just so I don't have to deal with the long updates and the lack of a party system. On the flip side, I much prefer the XMB to whatever you call the Xbox interface. I can't stand it to begin with, and it really bugs me when I boot it up and see ads on a service I'm paying $60 a year for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Well, I knew you were saying "for me" :D I guess I would just use "horrific" if it was a buggy, laggy, PoS system that made online play impossible. Like, feels-like-dial-up style (kind of like some games I've played, actually). For the online play itself, I find PSN and XBL to both be very servicable.
I agree with that. Call of Duty on 360 vs Call of Duty on PS3 should produce pretty similar results. I'm more or less talking about features(party system + invite system) and how the two perform. I mainly just think the 360 is way quicker with a lot of the every day things, like downloads, installing games, and downloading game patches.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Truth be told, I have some pretty major annoyances with both of the systems. I'm just ready for this generation to die and for the next one to begin.
Latest rumors:
PS4 reportedly has 50% more raw power than 720, but half the RAM
I've also read to expect massive leaks over the next several days, so it should be very entertaining to read the comments on fan boy infested sites like N4G.
Damnit Sony, put enough RAM in the system to choke it. That's the biggest problem with the current generation, and you're going to make the same mistake again?
IOU: I agree, I guess it's just that none of those things really bother me. The only time the download speed actually has a negative effect on me is during System Updates. Any other time I really don't even pay attention. I'm normally doing background downloads of everything.
For the love of God, I just hope they fix the triggers. They are so bad.
In fact, Sony, just take a 360 controller, put your d-pad in it and call it a day.
I prefer the Dual Shock in every way. Except for the triggers.
But if one of those rumors is true and we end up with Move balls on the top of the controller :fp:
Sony’s PlayStation 4 To Feature Controller Similar To Nintendo’s Wii U GamePad?
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According to CVG sources, Sony may very well abandon the DualShock controller design with the release of the company’s inevitable next-generation home console, which will probably be called the PlayStation 4. Instead, Sony’s PlayStation 4 controller will supposedly include biometric sensors and an LCD touchscreen, not unlike Nintendo’s new Wii U GamePad. Similar to how the Wii U console is compatible with Wii Remote controllers, gamers may be able to interact with Sony’s forthcoming home console via DualShock controllers.
http://mynintendonews.com/2013/01/18...-wii-u-gamepad
HELL NO! I'm pretty sure Sony is smart enough not to do that, or if they do, make it optional and make sure all games fully function with a dualshock.
Depends on the game for me. For shooters, I love everything about the 360 controller and hate virtually everything about the PS3 controller. For sports, it's the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Sony did have a Move ball on the top of a controller, but like the possible tablet controller, I'd imagine it would be optional. I seriously can't see Sony abandoning the dualshock design regardless of the rumors.
I HATE the 360 controller (it's the reason I have NEVER considered buying an X-Box; 360 and prob 720). In fact I HATE it soo..... much I would give up on console video gaming if/when Sony decided to make a controller like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
How come you hate it so much? It's a much more natural controller to hold for me. I never could get used to Sony's controllers. Xbox (from original through 360), the controller feels so normal and natural for my grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
i find comfort in knowing that i can throw my 360 controller at the floor as hard as i can, and nothing will break on me.
I can't get behind the Playstation controller either, I can do games like RPG's, actions games with it, but shooters and sports games I cant get use to it at all. It just feels so close together and I almost always press the triggers at the same time.
I think a lot of the people that hate the 360 controller just haven't used it as much. I didn't like it at first, but it really grew on me to the point that I prefer it over Sony's offering. However, I don't like the d-pad, even with the transforming d-pad. It's better, but still not nearly as good as Sony's. Also, the analog sticks' range of motion is fucked. I bought some Kontrol Freeks which solved my problem. I don't like having to fork over extra money to fix something that doesn't, IMO, work correctly, but at least it's more comfortable.
With the Dualshock, it's too small. It's also cheaply made compared to the 360 controller. I don't throw them, but I'd feel a hell of a lot more comfortable throwing a 360 controller than I would a Dualshock. I'm 99% sure the Dualshock would shatter upon impact, especially the triggers. Speaking of which, really hate the triggers. They're terrible. I bought "Real Triggers" which are amazing, but again, I don't feel as though I should have to fork over extra money to correct a screw up.
I've used both so long that I'm comfortable using either one and can adjust instantly. But, as everyone above me said, the 360 controller just feels more naturally designed for your hands.
I've used both a LOT and I prefer the PS controller. It's FAR more natural to have both sticks on the bottom of the controller and I prefer the triggers to the stupid shit that the Xbox controllers have.
That said, the controller I use for my PC is an Xbox controller just because it's easier to deal with because of dumb ass Windows.
DS fits my hands perfectly. But they're on the smaller side. That may be why I prefer it
You are literally the only person in the world that likes the triggers on the PS3 controller. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
Being a "south paw" I really struggled with the 360 controller. Personally I love the ps3 dual shock because it's the best case scenario for a lefty IMO.
I don't understand why people don't like them? Are the PS3 ones drastically different from the PS2 controllers or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
I don't remember if they're vastly different from the PS2 controller, but I just hate them because it's next to impossible to keep your fingers on them. When you push them in, they're so convex that your fingers just want to slip right off. I have Real Triggers on mine and it's just night and day.
There's a reason why virtually every single game on PS3 has aim and shoot assigned to L1 and R1 while virtually every shooter on 360 has those operations on the triggers. I still use R1 and L1 even with the Real Triggers, but that's just out of habit.
They're also kind of mushy when pressed.
I definitely don't see why that's a big deal. I LOVE the R and L buttons on the PS2/3 because they enable me to hit them MUCH faster than I can pull the stupid trigger on the Xbox controller. I can, easily, hit R2 or L2 two or three times as fast as I can pull the right or left trigger.
The image of the PS4 controller (just a Wii U one photoshopped) wouldn't be that bad. The Wii U controller is actually pretty nice. I'm very used to it although I haven't tried any sports games on it. If Madden 14 is just as good as the PS3 game I would strongly consider it for touch screen play calling and hot routes. As an offline gamer I would have no real issues other than sharing the console with my kids.