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Ideology should be about an individual candidate, not their party, shouldn't it? I'm not saying it is in reality, but curious if you agree that it really should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by SCClassof93
These quizzes are decent but not exact - it identified me as a right wing libertarian (which is pretty close) and Cruz as my #1 candidate (which is also close)
Yes but individuals identify with particular parties for a reason. The Gop is a moderate collectivist party while democrats are extreme cillectivists. In American politics many issues come into play which puts both in inconsistent positions. To say that it is the individual candidate is one thing but I guarantee the individual voter will line up with one party platform or another more closely. For example, what ever issue a voter finds most important that issue will align them to a party. If you are pro life and that is your top issue you may agree with 70 percent of the dems party platform but you won't vote for them. Find a pro life dem......there are issues that classify....Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
My position as a libertarian finds me right of conservatives on some issues and left of liberals on others. The Gop is the lesser of two evils at this point.
I always think of Chris Rock's one standup when it comes to politics
My only counter to this is I think the GOP Establishment/Politicians are moderate collectivists. I think the GOP voters are mostly not. Yet somehow someway they always manage to divide the true conservatives and we end up settling for the Democrat-Lites in Washington or on our ticket - McCain, Romney, Bush, Bush, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by SCClassof93
There are myriad Gop voters receiving financial benefits from Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
That's true but I'm not sure "most" do/are. Sadly one of (if not the most powerful wing) in the GOP today are the Crony Capitalists who want government handouts/subsidies to help run their businessQuote:
Originally Posted by SCClassof93
That's my point, the federal government has grown and become entrenched in so many ways in so many lives that the tipping point has been crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Very few want liberty because with it must come responsibility.
Saw on the news today a BIG KKK/Neo-Nazi rally in South Carolina over the Confederate flag issue.
Yikes! That is some scary stuff.Quote:
The Loyal White Knights, a North Carolina-based group thought to be the largest KKK faction, scheduled the protest to stop the removal of the flag. The group decided to carry on regardless. They received support from other KKK factions, National Socialist Movement members and Christian fundamentalists.
“The blacks have been out here attacking people, stealing people’s property, taking their flags,” said Steven Johnson, a South Carolina father of two who was among those waving Nazi flags during the rally. “I’m scared of what my family’s about to grow up with.”
Forgoing their notorious hoods, more than 50 protesters brandished flags and yelled racial epithets at minority onlookers from behind the protection of steel barricades, watched by dozens of law enforcement officers. According to Bader, some KKK members had planned to hold a church burning, wearing the infamous Klan uniforms.
South Carolina governor Nikki Haley this week called for people to ignore the “disruptive, hateful spectacle” of the KKK members and “to make the statehouse a lonely place for them”. Despite the wishes of the Republican governor, who demanded the flag’s removal following the Charleston shooting, about 2,000 people showed up to watch the demonstration, according to public safety officials. THE GUARDIAN
Yeah, there a knuckle heads everywhere you go.....plenty in the U.K. as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Nah, if I can still like Karl Marx Jr (aka Jaymo) you are like George Bush in comparison. I have to admit I pushed mine to the right on purpose. I am actually pro-choice and have no problem with *** marriage but went full conservative to keep those Liberals down. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
:D Karl Marx might be a little too extreme. Would you settle for the distant second cousin of John Maynard Keynes?Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Keynes??:fp: ;)
Agreed. For me, one of my top deciding-point issues is one that both parties feel strongly about, yet not all candidates are as absolute as the party bases. I guess that's why I feel that I am able to judge my alignment with individual candidates. But I agree with you that when it comes down to it you will, for the most part, agree with one party over the other (the center being a large exception in my opinion).Quote:
Originally Posted by SCClassof93
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04JmsnwbyAo&t=2m32sQuote:
Originally Posted by skipwondah33
Though I think even in real life it's becoming more like a virtual firefight.
Never seen that before. That was hilarious!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Most people vote for their own interests at this point. For example, most attorneys vote dem, most doctors gop, most unions dem, most business owners gop. Most government employees and contractors dem etcQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
voting for president is a waste of time. They know who they are putting in.
Repub-dem is waste of time. The politicians just pander to an area that will help them get in with no care about 2 way viewpoints.
Government just influenced you to pick a side they defined for you so you have stupid debates with the other side.