NCAA will not renew EA Sports contract [UPDATED with EA Statement]

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

the sec can already go fuck themselves. :D

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Envy! Got to let that go :D

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Originally Posted by SCClassof93

Envy! Got to let that go :D

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same for south carolina fans when discussing who the "real" USC is. :USC: :D:P

The PES soccer game suffers from not having every license for teams and players and yet guys can download rosters and mods (I'm not completely sure on this). Do they get sued left and right?

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Originally Posted by xGRIDIRONxGURUx

im sorry i still don't see how that can even go to court... how can a player sue a school for that school being in a game... when they DON'T sue for numbered jersey, t-shirts and other stuff?

if the Oregon Ducks are in the game with all of their uniforms and the roster reads double zero "00" and the height and weight are set to 4'1" and 150lbs... and all have red hair and are in alternating order of "faces" that come with the game with no dreads and just regular hair cuts... then honestly there is no likeness THEN it is all about the "school's team" and then we the fans who love those players have the ability to create the roster we want once we have purchased the game

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B/c a # isn't a "likeness" but height/weight/race/name/hometown/etc.... arguably are. Now if a Univ. put a players face/name on a t-shirt that would be a diff story.

IMG College handles the licensing for major institutions like The University of Michigan, The University of Alabama, and Brigham Young University. In all, CLC represents 153 schools. Notable schools not affiliated with CLC include Ohio State, Miami of Ohio, and Michigan State. Before the NCAA ended this agreement, it still had to make separate deals with those schools. It will likely continue to do so.

In addition to the schools, CLC also represents the BCS Football National Championship Bowl Game and many other major bowl games. That includes the Discover Orange Bowl, the Allstate Sugar Bowl, and the Tournament of Roses (or Rose Bowl).

This deal is important to CLC. Electronic Arts is the organization’s largest nonapparel licensee. Likewise, EA needs the deal with the CLC because most college football fans purchase the game to control their favorite team.

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Originally Posted by CLW

B/c a # isn't a "likeness" but height/weight/race/name/hometown/etc.... arguably are. Now if a Univ. put a players face/name on a t-shirt that would be a diff story.

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right so if a roster is released as I said with double zero as the number for every player and they all are a height of 4'1" weigh 150lbs have random faces and that is all then according to your own words there is absolutely no likeness... of course the roster editor allows consumer to make the players whoever they wamt them to be... so there is no lawsuit... thanks for clearing that up

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Originally Posted by xGRIDIRONxGURUx

right so if a roster is released as I said with double zero as the number for every player and they all are a height of 4'1" weigh 150lbs have random faces and that is all then according to your own words there is absolutely no likeness... of course the roster editor allows consumer to make the players whoever they wamt them to be... so there is no lawsuit... thanks for clearing that up

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Do you think it would also have to go so far as to have everyone with the same ratings? I wonder if the "mobile qb's" would say something if certain schools had higher rated abilities, etc. This sucks! Just let me play with my team and you can pay them later when they arent in school anymore, lol.

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Originally Posted by xGRIDIRONxGURUx

right so if a roster is released as I said with double zero as the number for every player and they all are a height of 4'1" weigh 150lbs have random faces and that is all then according to your own words there is absolutely no likeness... of course the roster editor allows consumer to make the players whoever they wamt them to be... so there is no lawsuit... thanks for clearing that up

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Not exactly. IF EA provided a roster editor to their "generic" rosters they could still be sued. The parallel is Napster. They didn't violate in copyright laws (and told their users to obey the law) but that wasn't enough b/c their product allowed users to violate copyright law.

Same with EA their product (roster editor) allows their users to misappropriate a person's "likeness" without their permission. Indeed, EA would likely tout the roster editor feature and could be guilty of "conspiracy" with its customers/consumers to misappropriate student-athlete "likeness" without compensation/permission.

There is ZERO way around this issue for EA. I've said this a hundred times now but these are the only possible solutions with no future lawsuits:

#1 - The series dies (or they make the rosters not editable and really bad - hardly calls for a yearly update now does it?)

#2 - The NCAA allows EA to pay the players and/or the players willingly sign a release/contract granting them permission do use their "likeness" in the game without payment

#3 - EA gets a complete win at the US Supreme Court on a 1st Amendment (or other affirmative defense) type argument.

2K Sports or Sony might as well make College Football 2K15 or NCAA Football 15 : The Heisman (similar to MLB : The Show series) w/ EA's contract expiring next June. CLC License w/ either of the two brands can help bring in lots of money and popularity in the game including for the Vita console (last game was NCAA Football 10 on PSP). Also, Madden NFL, FIFA, and NHL are big sellers in EA Sports. Time to bring EA's NHL also to Vita w/ gameplay similar to FIFA.

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Originally Posted by washingtonhuskies4

2K Sports or Sony might as well make College Football 2K15 or NCAA Football 15 : The Heisman (similar to MLB : The Show series) w/ EA's contract expiring next June. CLC License w/ either of the two brands can help bring in lots of money and popularity in the game including for the Vita console (last game was NCAA Football 10 on PSP). Also, Madden NFL, FIFA, and NHL are big sellers in EA Sports. Time to bring EA's NHL also to Vita w/ gameplay similar to FIFA.

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I think the cost of entry for another studio to jump in the College Football game sphere may be too high at this point in time. But it would be interesting to see some competition in the sports games. Or at least an alternative.

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Originally Posted by CLW

Not exactly. IF EA provided a roster editor to their "generic" rosters they could still be sued. The parallel is Napster. They didn't violate in copyright laws (and told their users to obey the law) but that wasn't enough b/c their product allowed users to violate copyright law.

Same with EA their product (roster editor) allows their users to misappropriate a person's "likeness" without their permission. Indeed, EA would likely tout the roster editor feature and could be guilty of "conspiracy" with its customers/consumers to misappropriate student-athlete "likeness" without compensation/permission.

There is ZERO way around this issue for EA. I've said this a hundred times now but these are the only possible solutions with no future lawsuits:

#1 - The series dies (or they make the rosters not editable and really bad - hardly calls for a yearly update now does it?)

#2 - The NCAA allows EA to pay the players and/or the players willingly sign a release/contract granting them permission do use their "likeness" in the game without payment

#3 - EA gets a complete win at the US Supreme Court on a 1st Amendment (or other affirmative defense) type argument.

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:fp: I've grown tired of your assumptions of legality here. Your example of Napster is inherently flawed as the it dealt an accepted commodity, being media files, specifically music and movies. Both of which are (as I stated) accepted commodities that have explicit costs, laws, and guidelines governing their use. Likeness is not an accepted commodity, especially when referring to listing anything about race or origins. When there is no name attached or a clear indication of the person's face, or their voice a likeness is very hard to establish. Any lawyer worth their salt would stay away from such a case, because they would not win, and the odds are high the plaintiff they would represent would not have any money to pay for their expenses.

EA doesn’t need any of your 3 scenarios to play out. Until the universities are compelled to pay players more than the cost of tuition (in the form of a scholarship) the video series is only operating based off of the agreement it has with the CLC and other universities who are the true defendants. If what you describe as necessary happens, it will be because the universities were sued, not the CLC and not EA. And You would have to have multiple athletes from a significant amount of those universities file suit against them. Universities use current player likeness all the time. Ever bought a media guide? Or watched the intro, scoreboard, or youtube videos published by the university’s athletic department? Those reflect more of a likeness than a video game. And ratings do not reflect likeness as those ratings do not actually exists in reality. Clowney is not good in reality because he has a 90+ strength rating … he is good in reality because he is strong, how strong, well that is determined by actual weights and actual metrics, not an arbitrary fictional grade to reflect it.

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Originally Posted by ecfivester

:fp: I've grown tired of your assumptions of legality here. Your example of Napster is inherently flawed as the it dealt an accepted commodity, being media files, specifically music and movies. Both of which are (as I stated) accepted commodities that have explicit costs, laws, and guidelines governing their use. Likeness is not an accepted commodity, especially when referring to listing anything about race or origins. When there is no name attached or a clear indication of the person's face, or their voice a likeness is very hard to establish. Any lawyer worth their salt would stay away from such a case, because they would not win, and the odds are high the plaintiff they would represent would not have any money to pay for their expenses.

EA doesn’t need any of your 3 scenarios to play out. Until the universities are compelled to pay players more than the cost of tuition (in the form of a scholarship) the video series is only operating based off of the agreement it has with the CLC and other universities who are the true defendants. If what you describe as necessary happens, it will be because the universities were sued, not the CLC and not EA. And You would have to have multiple athletes from a significant amount of those universities file suit against them. Universities use current player likeness all the time. Ever bought a media guide? Or watched the intro, scoreboard, or youtube videos published by the university’s athletic department? Those reflect more of a likeness than a video game. And ratings do not reflect likeness as those ratings do not actually exists in reality. Clowney is not good in reality because he has a 90+ strength rating … he is good in reality because he is strong, how strong, well that is determined by actual weights and actual metrics, not an arbitrary fictional grade to reflect it.

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:smh: the internet and its humorous animosity

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Originally Posted by ecfivester

:fp: I've grown tired of your assumptions of legality here. Your example of Napster is inherently flawed as the it dealt an accepted commodity, being media files, specifically music and movies. Both of which are (as I stated) accepted commodities that have explicit costs, laws, and guidelines governing their use. Likeness is not an accepted commodity, especially when referring to listing anything about race or origins. When there is no name attached or a clear indication of the person's face, or their voice a likeness is very hard to establish. Any lawyer worth their salt would stay away from such a case, because they would not win, and the odds are high the plaintiff they would represent would not have any money to pay for their expenses.

EA doesn’t need any of your 3 scenarios to play out. Until the universities are compelled to pay players more than the cost of tuition (in the form of a scholarship) the video series is only operating based off of the agreement it has with the CLC and other universities who are the true defendants. If what you describe as necessary happens, it will be because the universities were sued, not the CLC and not EA. And You would have to have multiple athletes from a significant amount of those universities file suit against them. Universities use current player likeness all the time. Ever bought a media guide? Or watched the intro, scoreboard, or youtube videos published by the university’s athletic department? Those reflect more of a likeness than a video game. And ratings do not reflect likeness as those ratings do not actually exists in reality. Clowney is not good in reality because he has a 90+ strength rating … he is good in reality because he is strong, how strong, well that is determined by actual weights and actual metrics, not an arbitrary fictional grade to reflect it.

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

:smh: the internet and its humorous animosity

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Just my view on his views. I didn't mean them in a demeaning way. I was just exhausted with them and no other posts really showing him how he may be erring in his statements.

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Originally Posted by ecfivester

Just my view on his views. I didn't mean them in a demeaning way. I was just exhausted with them and no other posts really showing him how he may be erring in his statements.

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I said that a few pages back. This is completely different than Napster.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

I said that a few pages back. This is completely different than Napster.

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Yeah, I saw that, just wanted to elaborate on what you meant. I didn't feel it was understood.

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Originally Posted by ecfivester

Yeah, I saw that, just wanted to elaborate on what you meant. I didn't feel it was understood.

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That's because CLW will repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over. ;)

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Originally Posted by ecfivester

:fp: I've grown tired of your assumptions of legality here. Your example of Napster is inherently flawed as the it dealt an accepted commodity, being media files, specifically music and movies. Both of which are (as I stated) accepted commodities that have explicit costs, laws, and guidelines governing their use. Likeness is not an accepted commodity, especially when referring to listing anything about race or origins. When there is no name attached or a clear indication of the person's face, or their voice a likeness is very hard to establish. Any lawyer worth their salt would stay away from such a case, because they would not win, and the odds are high the plaintiff they would represent would not have any money to pay for their expenses.

EA doesn’t need any of your 3 scenarios to play out. Until the universities are compelled to pay players more than the cost of tuition (in the form of a scholarship) the video series is only operating based off of the agreement it has with the CLC and other universities who are the true defendants. If what you describe as necessary happens, it will be because the universities were sued, not the CLC and not EA. And You would have to have multiple athletes from a significant amount of those universities file suit against them. Universities use current player likeness all the time. Ever bought a media guide? Or watched the intro, scoreboard, or youtube videos published by the university’s athletic department? Those reflect more of a likeness than a video game. And ratings do not reflect likeness as those ratings do not actually exists in reality. Clowney is not good in reality because he has a 90+ strength rating … he is good in reality because he is strong, how strong, well that is determined by actual weights and actual metrics, not an arbitrary fictional grade to reflect it.

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what he said

I just want my damn NCAA game!! :D


... And fix the defense


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in madden you could say people buy it because of the real players..but I don't buy ncaa because I think its the real players or because I follow any team or player. I just get rosters because it makes online more entertaining and gives it personalization. I don't know most of the players or care who they are. Its just better then seeing LB #40 on the back. The public are the only people personalizing the game. Ea cant correctly emulate thousands of college kids to any exactitude.

I actually play my offline dynasty w/o rosters. I'm too impatient.


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I read through a few of the comments, and here is what I know.

1. Very little actually comes from the NCAA License. Pretty much the name on the front of the cover and the NCAA logo. All the school, stadiums, bowls, conferences, trophies, etc. are all either licensed through the CLC, or individually. Also, college football is the only college sport where the NCAA does not run the championship. It is all decided through the conferences.

2. I would doubt another company would try to create a competing college football game. College Football 2K3 was the last one 2K did (and that was well before an exclusive NCAA license was done). The up front cost for another studio to develop that game would be very high. The engine, the art, and even a basic career mode would all take a pretty significant amount of time for something that would be competing with established brands.

3. For the litigation. I'm don't fully know. I doubt this would have any real difference in the current lawsuits. But, that's just my opinion.

Getting into a law argument with a lawyer?

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My money is on the mob!


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Originally Posted by souljahbill

Getting into a law argument with a lawyer?

:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

That's because CLW will repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over. ;)

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Originally Posted by washingtonhuskies4

2K Sports or Sony might as well make College Football 2K15 or NCAA Football 15 : The Heisman (similar to MLB : The Show series) w/ EA's contract expiring next June. CLC License w/ either of the two brands can help bring in lots of money and popularity in the game including for the Vita console (last game was NCAA Football 10 on PSP). Also, Madden NFL, FIFA, and NHL are big sellers in EA Sports. Time to bring EA's NHL also to Vita w/ gameplay similar to FIFA.

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Yeah, stick to hoping for 2K. If Sony makes it, no doubt those stupid cunts would make it PS3/PS4 exclusive and say "fuck you" to the 360/XBONE user-base.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

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Millions of Jewish people found that out that hard way.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

If Sony makes it, no doubt those stupid cunts would make it PS3/PS4 exclusive and say "fuck you" to the 360/XBONE user-base.

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:ram?: What the heck would you expect Sony to do? Do you see Halo, GOW or any MS Developed game on the PS3?

Just because 2K5 was good a decade ago and The Show is good now does not necessarily mean Sony or 2K will make a good football game today, even if they were given 2 or 3 years to develop it.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

Just because 2K5 was good a decade ago and The Show is good now does not necessarily mean Sony or 2K will make a good football game today, even if they were given 2 or 3 years to develop it.

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Remember 2K had a couple years to make APF 2K8 and while I enjoy 2K football games it was nothing special. Honestly the only thing that impressed me about the game was the sidelines, blocking and WR/DB interaction.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

Just because 2K5 was good a decade ago and The Show is good now does not necessarily mean Sony or 2K will make a good football game today, even if they were given 2 or 3 years to develop it.

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Yep.

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Originally Posted by bdoughty

Millions of people found that out that hard way.

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Fixed.

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Sony or Microsoft would never even bother with a college game because it would never make enough money on one platform to make it worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

Sony or Microsoft would never even bother with a college game because it would never make enough money on one platform to make it worthwhile.

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I think it all depends on what the licensing fees would cost. If Playstation 4 and SCEA put something together in an attempt to undercut xbox1 and it looked decent I would have no objections to purchasing multiple football titles. There are a lot of EA haters out there who would jump at the chance for another game. However, I think people need to have realistic expectations of any new competitor and how far behind they will be. IMO it would be a lot easier to compete against Madden versus NCAA (eg 30 stadiums versus 126, sb vs. bowls, roster sizes, etc.).

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I think it all depends on what the licensing fees would cost. If Playstation 4 and SCEA put something together in an attempt to undercut xbox1 and it looked decent I would have no objections to purchasing multiple football titles. There are a lot of EA haters out there who would jump at the chance for another game. However, I think people need to have realistic expectations of any new competitor and how far behind they will be. IMO it would be a lot easier to compete against Madden versus NCAA (eg 30 stadiums versus 126, sb vs. bowls, roster sizes, etc.).

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Right, but Sony wouldn't be interested in it. They would have to develop an engine, which costs millions, and then dedicate 2 or 3 years to getting the first version out only to then have to compete with the already established EA Sports.

Then they would be at another disadvantage because they would only be selling on one system. I doubt a potential 500,000 units sold would even begin to entice Sony, and I'm being generous with that number.

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Originally Posted by bdoughty

:ram?: What the heck would you expect Sony to do? Do you see Halo, GOW or any MS Developed game on the PS3?

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It's one thing for titles like Halo, Gears of War, God of War, etc to be exclusive on PS3 and 360, but console exclusivity for sports titles are just fucking stupid. If EA dropped NCAA, Sony picked it up and those cunts made it console exclusive, I'd be burning Sony headquarters to the ground.

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Originally Posted by bdoughty

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LOL!