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Seems like I will be unstoppable with Michigan and Shoelace then.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Just played every single matchup.
I went 1-3 as well. The only game I one was when I was Clemson. Even though I lost 3 out of the 4 games have been in overtime, and I can't seem to put this demo down. I'm scared whats gonna happen when I have the actual disc :p
FYI - CDJ getting a "video is too long" for your 4th Qtr video. However, good to hear the run game could be a major factor for a change.
When I edited it, it was under 11 min, but somehow it added a few seconds. By now, everyone can download the demo, so I'm not going to edit it. It's been rendering and then uploading for three hours or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Played 1 game so far with the demo. Some quick things I noticed. Note I'm playing on Heisman
- Fumbles seem to be happening quite a bit. Fumbled 3 times and the CPU fumbled once, this all in 3 quarter.
- QB's still seem accurate but not as accurate, the lower ball speed and game speed in general help
- Between the play select screen and certain angles during gameplay I'm getting a little dizzy. Also seems to jitter a bit.
- Its great you have time to make user plays with the ball in the air. Read Brantley perfectly on a In route in the endzone and picked it. Also read a corner post and made the swat.
I can see an improvement from last year's gameplay. With only one game I can tell that, going to play some more.
Insider info: NCAA demo from old build. Several demo bugs already addressed in final build. Look for EA blog addressing improvements soon.
From twitter :)
Firing up the demo now. Mizzou (me) Clemson (CPU) Heisman
I'm playing on All American (the default skill level for online), and I routinely beat man coverage or cover 3 over the top on simple streak routes. I am also seeing some instances where it looks like the CB doesn't cover deep for some reason in a cover 3 zone, which results in a wide open streak route.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
Honestly, the defensive AI on this game is pretty terrible. There's minimal pressure from the front 4, man coverage has been toned way down (perhaps to realistic levels), and QBs are still too accurate. The game is out of balance in favor of offense too much, particularly with regards to the passing game (which is now that much deadlier as a result of the fact that run plays are blocked better, which forces the defense to honor the run more).
Took 1.5 hours to download the demo on the PSN. Only got one game in and I'm rusty. I do like the presentation and ESPN music. Team entrance was cool as are the fan cutscenes (remember I didn't play much of NCAA 10). I'm just about to head downstairs and get some more gaming in. Kids finally asleep.
Few things: I like the added momentum but I need to play much more to truly see the effects.
Play of the game isn't the last play of the game on the PS3.
I'm not annoyed by the camera this year. Passing speeds seem realistic.
One game and I beat OSU 28-7 after Pryor throws three picks (one pick 6).
I do NOT like the play calling interface. Four plays and lag free skips to the next four plays are better than this new setup imo.
Not a whole lot to report after one quick game. Time to get some more games in.
The refs get in the way too much :(
I played 2 games as Florida vs Florida State on All American to kind of get a feel for how the game is going to play online. I won the first game 28-7 and the 2nd one 24-21. They have clearly made a lot of improvements. The game is really, really smooth and for the most part, so are the animations. It also seems that they have improved shotgun run blocking, which is a much welcomed improvement. They also improved a lot of the animations and it actually looks like a football game now. The graphics are very, very good, too.
There are a few issues I have with it, though. First of all, the menus are slow as hell. They had better be faster in the final game or it's going to get on my nerves severely. The play calling screen is especially bad.
Defensively, I see a ton of problems again. Zones once again appear to leave the middle wide the hell open. Instead of LBs trying to jump the route, they'll sit behind the WR and just let him casually catch the ball. So yes, in theory, you'll once again be completely unstoppable if you're smart and patient enough to throw 5-10 yard routes over the middle the whole game.
That is in part because of the severe lack of pass rush both from the front 4 and when you bring blitzes. It's even worse than last year, and probably equally as bad as '09. This DEFINITELY needs fixed. I brought 8 guys against a 5 man line and did not get nearly the pressure that I should have. It's just completely unacceptable. I also saw a lot of blown coverages that led to me catching an easy bomb for a touchdown.
I only saw 1 fumble in 2 games, so that doesn't appear to be a problem for me. I didn't fumble once, nor did I hold in R1 once, either.
If they fix the zone defenses and the pass rush, this has the potential to be the best game they've ever made on any console. It's fluid, it's great looking, it has deep playbooks, the no huddle play selection is sweet, the crowd sounds better, the animations are much improved, the locomotion is sweet and the best addition they've made in a long time, etc...
They just really, really, really need to fix the things I mentioned.
OH YES, also, it is WAY too easy to get outside in the running game. I ran 3 or 4 outside run plays from IForm in a row and busted all of them for 10+ yards easily by breaking it outside. That also needs to be fixed, but I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue as the pass rush/blitzes and zone defenses as they can somewhat be limited by user play.
Has this happened for anyone else? When you are scrambling and you cross the line of scrimage, the quarterback lowers his shoulder and slows down. Doesn't look fluid to me.
Maybe I am confused but wasn't the leaning and twisting with the running back supposed to be in this game? If it is, how do you do it? I try to use the right analog and all I get are jukes and trucks. Pretty sure I remember JB talking about it after CD.
Hold forward, then move left or right to get the lean and twist. It's easier to see in Practice Mode and master then just to jump in a game and learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryby6969
Keep the thoughts and impressions coming. It will be very helpful leading up to release which you will find out about later on.
Is this a tease to some more good news coming down the line? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
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Originally Posted by cdj
Thanks, I knew I was doing something wrong! ;)
Community Day guys, do any of you know how old the build of the game the demo was built off of? I was just curious if there's a chance that some of the things I mentioned will be improved/tweaked when the final version is released. Did you guys notice the issues with zone coverage, pass rush, and over effectiveness of outside runs whenever you were able to go hands on with it during Community Day?
first game: Texas (CPU) 14, Oklahoma 0... had 3 fumbles in the first half (cpu had 1) ... trying to get used to the playcall screen. Can't really get a feel for the game because I've been drinkin so any legit thoughts will have to wait til tomorrow! :D
1 and 1 right now playing on Heisman losing with Clemson won with Texas. other two tomorrow
The demo went final in late April, so the gameplay build is probably from a few weeks (or more) before that. I've read that some issues in the demo have been addressed since then and there should be a blog on that or some details.Quote:
Originally Posted by IOUaBeatn
At the CE, the pass defense had some issues (IE: clueless safeties) which are not that way in this demo. The blog on issues addressed will probably help answer your question more effectively.
In my last game with Mizzou, I was able to find the seams you're talking about, but before that I was really struggling with the passing game, so I was finding it to be the exact opposite. Catching seems way too low, saw too many passes just fall after guys got their hands on it. The accuracy is a little too high, but the balls are floating so it offset in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhombic21
In three games I didn't have a single fumble. Though I did have three passes where my QB was hit as he threw and it went right at a DL. Hopefully that's not nearly as frequent.
On another note, I saw the ball spiral. Hopefully the guys who have been whining about that for years will be quiet now ... or find something else to whine about, I suppose.
I played six games on the 360 today and had zero fumbles and the CPU had 2 or 3 total (2 lost IIRC). I'm surprised when I see the high number of fumbles others are seeing.
Started Download at 5:30 pm, just finished at 9:03pm that's what you get for having 1.5 DSL plus a ton of people hitting the servers.
installing now.
I've seen some fumbles as well. 2 by the CPU in one game, 1 by me in that game. Another one by me in another game.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Use the cover-up button, I guess. :)
Both games I played tonight were on Heisman. Good feel to it. Really enjoyed it. Passing is a touch tougher than AA, but still very manageable. CPU QB was way patient in one of those games and then routinely took off running as the pocket broke down, but that was after a long time. Happened several times. Interesting, very patient.
Playing more soon. :)
You actually have access to your entire defensive playbook. Formations can be switched by moving down/up.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Alright, all settled in finally after all the E3 fun and the playcall blog coming out. Getting a game going now.
Sweet, thanks for the heads up. I'm eagerly anticipating that blog just to see what has been addressed since the demo build.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Me too. I wanna see it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by IOUaBeatn
Taking Mizzou and those quad formations against Clemson first.
I played 3 games before I came to work, and only had 2 fumbles, and both of them came from the hit stick.
my 1st game OU (me)vs Texas I won 10-7.
not bad for 1st game.
players felt like they were floating or something.
Alot of over throws (which I like)
had 4 fumbles in this game, 3 right before the half which was one play with 3 fumbles and the other was at the end of the game.
New playcall screen I don't know about right now, maybe I will warm up to it, but at the moment leaning on the dislike side.
I started really gashing the D at the end of the game with outside runs.
ESPN stuff at the 1st of the game does nothing for me.
I know that I had alot of dislikes but there is something about this game that I do like just can't place my finger on it.
I am not experiencing any issues with fumbles thus far. I am still seeing some really questionable things in pass coverage, particularly with regards to passes over the middle in the seems area and with regards to deep passes down the sidelines. On the latter, it appears that CBs are too aggressive, particularly in cover 3 zones and in man coverage without any safety help, and that they get turned around and beat deep too often. It's not unrealistic from the standpoint that if a player was squatting on routes the way CBs do in this game they would give up the big play, but the problem is that there doesn't appear to be any way to instruct your CB to play off and not bite on the initial cut.
Maybe thats the point of the Pass Commit option, to prevent your CB from biting on cuts. Have you tried using that yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhombic21
My running diary on game one:
- The band on the pregame entrance is really quiet.
- First game and I have rain...yay!
- Had trouble stopping Clemson's no huddle for a few plays.
- Recovered a fumble in the redzone.
- Had a hard time establishing the run.
- Converted a few 3rd downs and then a goal line run for the TD.
- Camera starts underground when it cuts to the ref on a penalty, expect it to be fixed for retail.
- User pick on play one of Clemson's 2nd drive.
- Fly route is seeming to be easier this year....completed two deep balls this half.
- Burnt the corner on a hook post....14-0
- Gambled on a play and got beat deep....was able to catch up to him and stop him around the 15.
- Gave up a FG to end the half up 14-3.
- Hooray to the chicks wearing spaghetti straps in the rain.
- Fumbled opening kickoff of 2nd half.....14-10
- Running kicks back trying to wedge in the holes of the kick coverage is a blast.
- Realized I needed to be more paitient to get the good run game going.
- ANOTHER completion on a deep fly route.
- Slot post was WIDE OPEN for the TD, 21-10.
- Hit the QB as he threw....still got some zip on it, but it ended up being too much zip...very nice.
- Be careful if you use presnap adjustments for the DL to crash in, I did this at community day as well....but if you go to fast you'll get an encroachment.
- Clemson lost another fumble....not sure why they were running 3rd and 20 with 1:09 left in the game.
- Ran the clock out and took a 21-10 victory.
Yeah, something is definitely wrong with the way that players in yellow ("hook") zones are matching up with receivers. It looks like they are too concerned with dropping to a predetermined area, and that they don't match up right with threats that enter their area. This results in players running free through the middle of the field.
I was on All-American FYI for my notes.
Yeah that happened to me a lot as I was playing. And sometimes when I was in Man coverage, there would still be a guy running wide open somewhere, but that could be due to a mismatch in coverage.
Yep, found that tonight, but forgot to post on it. Good catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Yes, and they also do the same thing they've done since I can remember. If a receiver runs a hook, instead of getting in front of the receiver or fighting him for position, the defender will happily wait behind the WR for him to catch the ball before tackling him. If they were more aggressive, I don't think the issues would be quite as glaring. As it is right now, though, it's pretty annoying and most definitely noticeable. I do believe it's better than past years, but it could still use some tweaks. I really hope they address this in some way for the final game. That and the ineffectiveness of line/blitz pressure are the 2 biggest issues I've seen so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhombic21
2nd game felt like a track meet. Clemson vs Mizzo which I guess it should. Clemson (me) 21 Mizzo 17
Qb can get outside to easy.
Throwing the ball to the middle deep seems easy
Ball rotates on replays....yeah!
I think my QB was something like 12/13 in this game for around 190 yards.
Game kinda felt like wide open gameplay, but again I guess it should with this teams, I just wonder how it's going to feel when playing with a
team Like Bama which plays D, hope it's not wide open.
I played alot with my DE and outside LB in this game just to see how I could rush, about 4-5 times my player would warp into the Tackle so he could block me. Not very happy about that.
Kickoff returns feels faster than normal play, I returned one for a TD
Did see the CPU drop a wide open pass and had my DB beat by 5 or more yards.
As i said before I come up with the bad, but theres something I like about it.
I actually got some good pressure on the QB and vice versa.....it wasn't ALL of the time, but I did get some good rushes, and I got sacked a couple of times.