NCAA Football 12 Demo - Share Your Impressions

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

Trajectory of the ball is still way too low on most passes. I'm also experience a ton of tipped balls at the LOS.

For the record, I'm actually having fun. Yes, that's right, for the first time since '07 on PS2, I'm actually enjoying myself. It's a good start, I have have my fingers crossed they actually fix the stuff that needs to be fixed via a patch or tuner pack.

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...and you're only playing the demo right now :nod:

You people must either have slow connections or the download service is swamped. I downloaded the XBox Demo in about 15 minutes, started at 5:30AM when I got up, when I got out of the shower it was done 15 minutes later.

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Originally Posted by hawkeyeguy

Please tell me that the linebackers (and some cases defensive lineman) able to jump over tall buildings in a single bound is gone...........

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It's not. Part of the problem is the low trajectory of the ball and part of the problem is they jump too high. I have a huge "what the.." moment earlier. I ran a post route over the middle against a cover 2 and my receiver was probably about 20 yards down field and the MLB was around 8-10 yards from the LOS, I fired a bullet(which would've been a pass that would be about 25 yards down field ideally) and the LB jumps up and picks it off like nothing. :fp:

just started my download, 8% 23 minutes left

Ever since the grass thread over on the Madden OS forums this black spotted grass is starting to bug me. I wish I never looked at that thread :(

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Originally Posted by umhester04

Ever since the grass thread over on the Madden OS forums this black spotted grass is starting to bug me. I wish I never looked at that thread :(

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Black spotted grass? I didn't read that thread; what is meant by this?

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

It's not. Part of the problem is the low trajectory of the ball and part of the problem is they jump too high. I have a huge "what the.." moment earlier. I ran a post route over the middle against a cover 2 and my receiver was probably about 20 yards down field and the MLB was around 8-10 yards from the LOS, I fired a bullet(which would've been a pass that would be about 25 yards down field ideally) and the LB jumps up and picks it off like nothing. :fp:

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If you fire a bullet, it is going to have low trajectory....

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Originally Posted by Oneback

At the rate your going I'll have mine downloaded and playing before you and I don't get home for another 2 hours. :)

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LOL this has to finish before you get yours done, I can't be the last one to the party for everything we do here :D:D

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

If you fire a bullet, it is going to have low trajectory....

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You are able to put touch on your passes....I did it many times on 12.

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Absolutely is.

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This is GREAT fucking news, thanks.

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Originally Posted by umhester04

Hey Oneback,


Is the Inverted Veer kind of like when Oregon has LaMichael James motioning in from the WR position to the RB position and sortof "running in place" as he waits for the snap and then it is a read option from there?

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Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bNvIronhy8

This is labled as inverted veer but looks like a midline variant...its hard to tell from the angle if he was reading the end or the DT. With inverted veer the QB is reading the frontside defensive end.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

It's not. Part of the problem is the low trajectory of the ball and part of the problem is they jump too high. I have a huge "what the.." moment earlier. I ran a post route over the middle against a cover 2 and my receiver was probably about 20 yards down field and the MLB was around 8-10 yards from the LOS, I fired a bullet(which would've been a pass that would be about 25 yards down field ideally) and the LB jumps up and picks it off like nothing. :fp:

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Wait it's still there?? WTF...............

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

If you fire a bullet, it is going to have low trajectory....

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For a 25 yard throw, it should never, ever be low enough for a LB only 8 or so yards deep to make a play on it, let alone jump up and get it without even taking a step backwards. A post route against cover 2 has to be a bullet throw. If you lob it, the safety is going to have all kinds of time to come over and make a play on it.

For the situation, a bullet pass was definitely the correct pass selection and there's absolutely no way the MLB should've even have a chance at making a play on the ball. I could understand if it was a 15 yard route, but it wasn't. My receiver was a good 20 yards down field and considering the receiver should have been led, the ball should've been thrown around 25 yards.

the option works pretty good I like it

Paakaa it really is a nitpicky thing so I do not know why it bothers me so much, but over on that thread they were showing pictures of the grass in madden as opposed to the grass in real life and the grass in madden/ncaa looks like the texture is zoomed in. It looks great on replays with the 3d grass but for normal gameplay it looks weird. One again it is 100% nitpicky but it just bothers me now and I wish it didn't because it isn't that big of a deal at all, but just knowing that the grass can look better is what bothers me I guess.

Black-spotted grass, huh?

They aren't talking about the black rubber pellets kicked up during replays that I presume is replicating FieldTurf rubber pellets, are they?

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Originally Posted by hawkeyeguy

Wait it's still there?? WTF...............

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No. What's he's talkin' about is perfectly normal. You can't bullet a pass 30 yards down the field without the ball being picked off by the underneath coverage. But you can throw the ball "normal" and put it right inbetween the coverage. It's easily doable, just don't expect to bullet the ball everywhere and not get picked off by guys playing the passing lanes.

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Originally Posted by umhester04

Paakaa it really is a nitpicky thing so I do not know why it bothers me so much, but over on that thread they were showing pictures of the grass in madden as opposed to the grass in real life and the grass in madden/ncaa looks like the texture is zoomed in. It looks great on replays with the 3d grass but for normal gameplay it looks weird. One again it is 100% nitpicky but it just bothers me now and I wish it didn't because it isn't that big of a deal at all, but just knowing that the grass can look better is what bothers me I guess.

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Such are the hazards of frequenting some threads, I suppose haha.

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

No. What's he's talkin' about is perfectly normal. You can't bullet a pass 30 yards down the field without the ball being picked off by the underneath coverage. But you can throw the ball "normal" and put it right inbetween the coverage. It's easily doable, just don't expect to bullet the ball everywhere and not get picked off by guys playing the passing lanes.

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Exactly....if you can't put touch on it because there is a safety there, you shouldn't try to Brett Favre it in.

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Originally Posted by AustinWolv

Black-spotted grass, huh?

They aren't talking about the black rubber pellets kicked up during replays that I presume is replicating FieldTurf rubber pellets, are they?

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No IMO thats how turf fields are supposed to look, I think the conversation was pretty much only about grass stadiums. I will find the link and post it here because I dont know how to post pictures.

OU, you got a video example? 25-30 yards really isn't that far, so a bullet pass isn't going to get that high above the ground......

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

No. What's he's talkin' about is perfectly normal. You can't bullet a pass 30 yards down the field without the ball being picked off by the underneath coverage. But you can throw the ball "normal" and put it right inbetween the coverage. It's easily doable, just don't expect to bullet the ball everywhere and not get picked off by guys playing the passing lanes.

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...are you serious? You can't find something wrong in a 25 yard pass being picked off by someone who is 8 yards from the LOS playing an underneath coverage? Ponder that for a moment, do the math, then get back to me.

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Originally Posted by AustinWolv

OU, you got a video example? 25-30 yards really isn't that far, so a bullet pass isn't going to get that high above the ground......

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This.

We need that Sports Science dude to solve this one. ;)


Btw, I hate all u guys that are playing the game while I'm at work! :)

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Originally Posted by AustinWolv

OU, you got a video example? 25-30 yards really isn't that far, so a bullet pass isn't going to get that high above the ground......

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When I'm stepping up into the pocket, the ball should be led. It wasn't even a full on bullet pass. It was more of a bullet than a lob, but it had some touch on it. I even had the analog stick pointing up so the QB would lead the receiver. It looked absolutely retarded, I do know that.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ds-work-8.html


This is the thread I was talking about.


So Oneback, the veer is basically a read option but instead of the qb reading the backside DE he reads the frontside one? Doesn't matter about the pre snap motion correct?

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Originally Posted by Deuce

We need that Sports Science dude to solve this one. ;)

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We might. I personally have a hard time believing a full on bullet pass should've been picked off, either, let alone one that had an ounce of touch on it. That's almost a 20 yard difference in total flight, so that's one hell of a jump. Like I said, a lot of it has to do with the low trajectory the ball is thrown at which isn't realistic at all. I've had several balls knocked down because the ball wasn't thrown high enough even though it had touch on it.

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Originally Posted by Deuce

We need that Sports Science dude to solve this one. ;)

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Haha yeah exactly :D

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Originally Posted by Deuce

Btw, I hate all u guys that are playing the game while I'm at work! :)

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I'm at work too....another hour or so.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

...are you serious? You can't find something wrong in a 25 yard pass being picked off by someone who is 8 yards from the LOS playing an underneath coverage? Ponder that for a moment, do the math, then get back to me.

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You do realize that with the arm strength to throw the deep out route (12-15 yards down the field), you have to bullet the pass pretty much with barely any arc on the ball at all right? You're trying to do the exact same thing over the middle of the field. 12-15 yards and 20-25 yards is going to barely have ANY difference on the arc of the ball if you're trying to sling it in there as hard as you can.

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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn

...are you serious? You can't find something wrong in a 25 yard pass being picked off by someone who is 8 yards from the LOS playing an underneath coverage? Ponder that for a moment, do the math, then get back to me.

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Absolutely agree with this. The fact that linemen and linebackers were jumping as high as they were in 11 to swat passes (hell even pick them off) is unrealistic as hell.

someone playing -critiqueing the demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8DgkUFzkeg&feature=feedu

Well one thing I just saw that I did not like at all was that I just had 6 defenders get pancaked AT ONE TIME.

Wow, I think I have thrown more interceptions than JB did at community day!!...:smh::D

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Originally Posted by Tarhead10

Wow, I think I have thrown more interceptions than JB did at community day!!...:smh::D

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...and that was just one game :D (for me :smh:)

And now 5 people just got pancaked at once on the DL. I am playing against bama by the way.

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Originally Posted by Deuce

Btw, I hate all u guys that are playing the game while I'm at work! :)

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+1 I am in the same boat. I get off in like 5 mins tho but, got a 30 min drive home. :fp:

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

You do realize that with the arm strength to throw the deep out route (12-15 yards down the field), you have to bullet the pass pretty much with barely any arc on the ball at all right? You're trying to do the exact same thing over the middle of the field. 12-15 yards and 20-25 yards is going to barely have ANY difference on the arc of the ball if you're trying to sling it in there as hard as you can.

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If it was a full bullet pass, yeah, I might be more inclined to agree. But like I said, it did have some touch on it. Obviously not a lot because then the safety comes into play, but there was touch. We're going to have to agree to disagree because there's no way I'll ever accept that a LB 8 yards off the LOS should be able to make a play on a ball that is thrown ahead of the receiver on a 20+ yard post route.

another youtube demo experience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vI5qmYCioQ&feature=feedu

I think Bamas O-line is just horribly overrated, because in the other games the OL-DL interaction is pretty good, but against Bama they pancake my players all game

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Originally Posted by beartide06

Well one thing I just saw that I did not like at all was that I just had 6 defenders get pancaked AT ONE TIME.

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And people were bitching and moaning a couple months or weeks or whenever ago when the bullrush video came out. At least that was only one offensive lineman. :fp: