5 will get you 10 it's FOX... I would expect to hear something announced soon.
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5 will get you 10 it's FOX... I would expect to hear something announced soon.
Texas was in a win-win situation.
Like it or not Texas was/is the crown jewell in all of this conference expansion talk. Some people claim Notre Dame is but I just have my doubts. With the current population trends Texas' fanbase/potential revenue is only going to continue to grow.
Texas knew this and used it to their full advantage. They clearly didn't like the current financial situation they had with the Big XII so they held the Big XII and the PAC 10 hostage and used them against each other. In the end they took the better financial deal and will rinse and repeat as necessary every time this stuff comes up every few years.
However, im my mind Nebraska is also a BIG winner. They get out of a conference which Texas clearly dominates and into a conference that is going to generate more revenue for the University with the Big 10 Network.
BIG LOSER Pac 10. They get the Denver market and no big name team(s) to replace the now on probation USC.
- Beebe is confirming that MU, KU, KSU, BU and ISU all gave in and will give the buyout fee monies to UT, OU and A&M.
Buyout fee money referring to what Nebraska and Colorado must pay in 'fines' for leaving early. Amazing.
The rich get richer.
Texas was making the most money in the conference before, so what's the difference now?
Every team can have a TV network if they wont.. of course Texas is the only school where a TV network would work. Texas brings in the most revenue, it's been that way. With the new setup schools are going to get more money. I know Baylor is going to double their revenue from a little over 7 million to 14-17 million a year. If there was no Texas do they think they would get that money?
Other than losing Nebraska, this conference isn't that worse off.
I just heard Texas Tech has yet to sign off on this, but I'm sure they will.
Ok, that's just stupid and absolutely spineless. Even though they can't have the Longhorns Network in the Pac-10, the Big XII (specifically the North) needs Texas a whole heck of a lot more than Texas needs the Big XII. Which means Texas essentially has the entire conference by the balls. They want to make a change no one else likes, threaten the teams with "thinking about leaving for the Pac-10 or elsewhere" and said vote suddenly gets passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
And maybe I'm over-analyzing the situation, but I can't help but think and wonder what might happen to recruiting for the schools not named Texas, A&M or Oklahoma. What recruiting pull do the likes of Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa State have anymore? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the conference champions will basically come down to only Oklahoma and Texas every year (with A&M making a push now and then), so there goes your ability to recruit effectively in terms of winning conference championships.
With the team going to 10 teams, so long Big XII championship game, so so long using that game as a recruiting tool. Unless they have some ungodly season like Kansas did a few years back, so long any chance at a BCS bowl and using visits to BCS bowls as a recruiting tool. "Your family could watch you play throughout the year on the Big XII network." "My family could watch my play every game throughout the year on the Longhorn Network." "We play Texas and Oklahoma every single year." "You get bitchslapped by Texas and Oklahoma every single year."
Maybe I am over-thinking and over-analyzing everything, but I can't help but think the way things are playing out, they are going to drastically affect recruiting for everyone but the Top 2/3, resulting in the talent and performance gap between the Top 2/3 and the rest of the league growing exponentially bigger.
That is exactly it, since CU and Nebraska would beat the Longhorns now and then. It is an even easier path for them now to BCS games, along with OU.
Which is exactly why I think the Big XII needs to just die. It was a fun conference to watch, but it's become nothing but a shell and a sham in this day and age. I have never been a supporter of the 16 team mega-conferences, but choosing between 16 team mega-conferences, and the "new" Big XII conference, I'd prefer the mega-conferences.
As well, everyone can convince themselves that the Big XII is now a fully stable conference again, but I honestly think, if 12 months down the road, as the Big Ten continues exploring further expansion opportunities, they send an invite to Missouri, Missouri will jump at that invite and bail, no matter how high Texas may try to set the exit fees. Either way, regardless of if Missouri eventually gets invited to the Big Ten or something else happens, I have no doubt that 4, 5 years down the road, we'll be going through this all over again in the Big XII.
Wow, that is amazing. It was nice to see the Pac-10 aiming high for once, but as a fan, I can't get too excited about adding Colorado and Utah, especially since it means the loss of the true round-robin in football.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Tech is a pretty stingy school when it comes to money, maybe they won't sign off on giving UT our money from the penalties.Quote:
Originally Posted by DookieMowf
Texas and OU were making more money than the other schools anyway. At least with this, the other schools are going to bring in more money yearly as well.
I was sure this was a joke. It's a joke, right? Please tell me it's a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Just looked it up. It wasn't a joke. Oh my fuck, Texas Ten conference it is.
Texas Ten is about the best name for the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
The Big 12 can still be a good conference at 10. Texas and OU are powerhouses which automatically gives it credibility. I think Texas A & M is on the way back up to being a really good team and with all the money Pickens poors into OSU I think they could end up being a good program. A few too many crappy teams but it's still better than the Big East.
Orangebloods.com (who broke the initial Texas to the Pac-10 story published an interesting article on the timeline of events from the last couple weeks. Sure sounds like we were thisclose to a significantly reconfigured colloege football landscape.
Rumor has it that the Big XII is going to ask for $15M for Nebraska leaving.
Yep, Nebraska and Colorado have to pay a penalty for leaving the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
Also, Looks like Utah may become the 12th member of the PAC-10.
Edit: Penalty rule doesn't exist: http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/nebras...nt-exist-28545
The thing is that they are arguably more top-heavy than the B10 was, which is what a lot of people across the nation were saying was the B10's weakness previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
And their other weakness (season ending 'early,' no CCG) is also gone now - and depending on schedule, the Big 12 may have that issue as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Now there's a new rumor out of WMKG TV in Orlando:
Next expansion targets are Memphis and UCF to the Big East.
When is all this going to end? I can't keep up.
FedEx CEO Fred Smith offered $100 Million over 10 years to any BCS conference that would take MemphisQuote:
Originally Posted by HWill
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...y-into-the-bcs
I heard that on the radio last night :D very weird. I've always thought all along Memphis to the Big East would be a great fit, especially for basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Bingo. Other than UT and OU, I don't see how the Big12 is better off.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
The B10 is for national recognition, but I think Big12 isn't.
Big XII is going to have the same thing happen that the Big 10 had for years....if they have a national title contender, they're going to sit damn near 60 days before playing their championship or BCS bowl game.
COME ON DOWN Memphis, YOU'RE IN THE BIG EAST!Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Pretty good post from a Penn Stater about the whole situation:
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Thank you for declining any overtures by the BigTen to join its conference. Thank you for deciding that joining the BigTen wasn’t in your best interests. Because it wasn’t until recently that I, a fan of Penn State and the BigTen, only recently realized that your joining probably wasn’t in OUR best interests. You’ve got a great intercollegiate athletics program, that’s for sure. And your academics are certainly on par with the best public colleges in the country. You enjoy a large in-state population and a large and devoted fan base. Many conferences would line up to sign up the Longhorns. The Pac10 did and was willing to also take your unremarkable in-state siblings to secure your allegiance. The BigTen considered a lesser conference schedule for you to facilitate retaining your traditional rivalry games. You certain are the belle of the ball. But as is often the case, the belle of the ball - - the pretty girl who has the world at her feet - - is also a conniving, self-centered, high-maintenance bitch.
These are not the words of a jilted courter of your affections. These are the words of someone who has come to understand the meaning of the word conference. An organization of EQUALS with common interests and whose decisions are guided to benefitting the value of the conference brand over the individual member brand. Conference members work together and share equally that which is produced by the group. To you, a conference is merely a recurring set of athletics opponents that can be exploited to serve your interests over that of the collective group. Your interest in preserving the BigXII was hardly a heroic or magnanimous gesture to save those less prestigious programs that would suddenly find themselves without a home. No, your interests in saving the conference were to leverage your marquee value to grab an even larger slice of the conference revenue pie.
You are King of the BigXII conference and you sit in a higher, padded chair at the head of a long conference table while your subjects sit on foot stools at the far end. The BigTen conference table is a round table, with neither a head nor foot and all chairs are of equal height and comfort. You would have found it uncomfortable at our table even as you elbowed for more space or a better view. And we would have found your company unbearable once we saw past your fair looks. A sincere “thank you” is owed to you and a word of caution is offered. Don’t be surprised if one day, your subjects storm the castle with torches and barbeque spits - - as slaughtered Longhorn would make a fine feast.
Zing.
...next on As The World Turns
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201....ap/index.html
Well now the Utes are the 12th team in the Pac-10.
I wonder if Boise St is pissed about that.
I can't imagine they're too upset, for two reasons: 1) they had to know Utah to the Pac-10 was Plan B if Texas fell through, and 2) even without Utah, the Mountain West is still a huge upgrade over the WAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Thing being is they needed Utah in the Mountain West to further the case for an automatic BCS bid, which is one reason to bolt from the WAC to the MWC. With Utah in it, the MWC would have had 4 teams that all have had strong, consistent seasons for the past few years. Easier to get that bid with 4 strong teams rather than 3.Quote:
2) even without Utah, the Mountain West is still a huge upgrade over the WAC.
Oh definitely. The chances of the MWC getting an auto BCS bid just went down dramatically. I'm just guessing that Boise State feels like they've upgraded conferences either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
I didn't know this, so I must share. Regarding the Big Ten:
We were known by practically everyone as the Big Ten, but not officially called that until 1987. Wow.Quote:
The conference’s official name throughout this period remained the Intercollegiate Conference of Faculty Representatives. It did not formally adopt the name Big Ten until 1987, when it was incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation. In 1990, the Big Ten universities voted to expand the conference to 11 teams, and extended an invitation to Penn State, which it accepted. When Penn State joined in 1990, it was decided that the conference would continue to be called the Big Ten, but its logo was modified to reflect the change; the number 11 is disguised in the white areas of the traditionally blue "Big Ten" lettering.
That is weird. It's going to be hard to hide the number 12 in the conference logo though.
Yeah, I'm pretty much hoping against hope that we change our name this time around. If the Big Ten and Big Twelve keep their names, I may go insane.
Hopefully they don't flip their names either, that will confuse me forever.
I don't think they will, specifically for that reason. Nobody in the Big XII would want their trademark confused, by anyone, with the Big Ten. And vice versa.
I would expect that you will see both of them change to non-numeric names. With all the uncertainty, it's silly to call yourself the Big Ten or Big Twelve now. SEC, ACC, Big East have it easy comparatively.
Some guy was speculating that Arkansas (due to Jerry Jones) will push to join the Big 12 (-2) along with possibly Houston. Many have said that Arkansas wouldn't leave the SEC due to the amount of money it receives ($17 million per year) but they miss not having a rival since their move to the SEC. The same guy then felt WVU would be a perfect replacement for Arkansas.