Madden NFL 16 Reveals Improvements to Connected Franchise Mode

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

To be clear, Rudy, the results in being on MLB15 are the same as MLB14.

I use Quick Counts though so maybe that is why I don't share your frustration.

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It's not a huge frustration, just a minor one. There isn't any one area where the Show is bad at. They are mediocre to great in every area.

And skip, if you don't like sliders then Madden vs cpu is terrible. I can't think of a worse sports game on default sliders than EA football. In the Show you don't have to make crazy changes. In Madden you will use 0 and 100 and still be pissed off at things since the sliders have sucked for awhile. Look at all the sliders nba 2k gives you. Then look at live and they had zero! As an offline gamer sliders are often the difference between loving and hating a game. Some EA developers need to get their head out of their ass in this area.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

It's not a huge frustration, just a minor one. There isn't any one area where the Show is bad at. They are mediocre to great in every area.

And skip, if you don't like sliders then Madden vs cpu is terrible. I can't think of a worse sports game on default sliders than EA football. In the Show you don't have to make crazy changes. In Madden you will use 0 and 100 and still be pissed off at things since the sliders have sucked for awhile. Look at all the sliders nba 2k gives you. Then look at live and they had zero! As an offline gamer sliders are often the difference between loving and hating a game. Some EA developers need to get their head out of their ass in this area.

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You will use 0 and 100 and still be pissed. Truer words!

And yeah, it is awfully vain to release a sports title with no sliders. Ridiculous.

Shopmaster on the scouting and draft changes. Scouting REALLY simplified and I understand it. I did love doing it last year - more than actually playing the game because I really worked and found some good players. It was a lot of time and this makes it easier for everyone although some hardcore fans will be disappointed - possibly me.

One big change is you have to scout every week. You can't just wait until the end and I do like that change.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2015/06/11/ma...-and-drafting/

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Because all EA cares about is head to head and formation subs could lead to cheese and is not a factor for their bottom line.

Every decision they make is based on 1) will this feature earn me more money and 2) how will it boost online numbers and profit from MUT? The offline gamer and cpu logic has been an after thought for a long time. There is no money in Micro transactions offline so it gets the shaft . There is no excuse for how horrible cpu qb AI is or how poor offline tendencies are. It's about allocating resources and focus and EA stopped caring about the offline gamer a long time ago.

I've about had it with their direction the last few years. Madden 16 officially is listed at $79.99 in Canada and with tax it's a hair over $90. If I don't see real improvements for me I will be voting with my wallet. I have rejected EA football titles in the past. They will have to earn my money this year.

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there isn't any problem or issue,its a toy company that makes games for children. Games are for fun and amusement,they've accomplished the goal

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

there isn't any problem or issue,its a toy company that makes games for children. Games are for fun and amusement,they've accomplished the goal

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Exactly.

If the games weren't for children and weren't toys, we wouldn't need mama to buy them for us. Right, ram?

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Originally Posted by Rudy

It's not a huge frustration, just a minor one. There isn't any one area where the Show is bad at. They are mediocre to great in every area.

And skip, if you don't like sliders then Madden vs cpu is terrible. I can't think of a worse sports game on default sliders than EA football. In the Show you don't have to make crazy changes. In Madden you will use 0 and 100 and still be pissed off at things since the sliders have sucked for awhile. Look at all the sliders nba 2k gives you. Then look at live and they had zero! As an offline gamer sliders are often the difference between loving and hating a game. Some EA developers need to get their head out of their ass in this area.

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Rudy I don't play CPU or offline CFM. I was just talking about in the past when I was in Franchises that weren't full...some by design and the CPU had to be played. Notably in a Fantasy keeper league that had to move to CFM when Create-a-team online unranked game ability was taken away.

If I'm playing Madden it is ALWAYS against another user. Whether its a league game or just pick up game against someone. I only play ranked games when I want to try a new PB or plays/team.

Can't say I've played more than 10-15 games the past 10 versions combined against CPU. Playing the CPU is horrid in both Madden and NCAA..unless in the latter you have the Davenci Code of slider configuration lol. And it has been in both for quite a while.

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

How do you sub someone out in NCAA for another player? If you want your number 3 RB in or #4 CB, or any sub that you didn't think of before the game you are playing. How do you do that in NCAA without pausing the game?
The TE at WR example...say in I-Form or Singleback Ace Normal. In NCAA either he is always at the WR spot via formation subs (before the game) or you aren't getting him from that spot without pausing the game am I correct? I use that because maybe I am playing a guy who has short or weak CB's and want him there at that very time during the game or I am running a Toss play to that side.

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As far as the 3 RB or 4CB I see what you are saying, but I guess I've been playing NCAA so long that I setup my depth chart to where I don't have that problem. Usually my 1RB is a combination speed/power, my 2RB is speed regardless of his OVR, and 3RB could be my powerback or he could not even be on my depth chart. I rarely use a power back so I formation sub him in in anticipation of where I think I will use him, or use my right stick sub to put in my FB since I use running FB's (H-Backs).

The TE at WR in ACE/Singleback Normal and I-Form Normal, there is a right stick sub that is called TE Flanker. It will put your TE1 at the right flanker/WR spot. I used that switch all the time in goal line situations to throw a fade route.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

So Madden and NCAA take all the good they have and split it between the 2 and never use them together? I could say this is for all EA games. Why not gain a concept, implement it for all and build from that foundation?

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This is actually the philosophy they had on PS2, or it could have been lack of resources. NCAA and Madden on PS2 played pretty similar except NCAA had a wide open feel/more chances for big plays. EA thought there wasn't enough separation between the two games so on PS3 they started having them develop in different ways, which led me to stop playing Madden. Towards the end I believe that more people felt that NCAA was the better game, which EA did not like. That plus the names lawsuit led the them scrapping NCAA and putting most of the dev team on Madden. Which is why we have started seeing Madden gameplay improve. Last year was the first year since 2006-2008 that I actually bought/played Madden. Of course it felt more like NCAA than the previous versions, especially since they added the majority of the NCAA sideline catches.

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Originally Posted by Escobar

This is actually the philosophy they had on PS2, or it could have been lack of resources. NCAA and Madden on PS2 played pretty similar except NCAA had a wide open feel/more chances for big plays. EA thought there wasn't enough separation between the two games so on PS3 they started having them develop in different ways, which led me to stop playing Madden. Towards the end I believe that more people felt that NCAA was the better game, which EA did not like. That plus the names lawsuit led the them scrapping NCAA and putting most of the dev team on Madden. Which is why we have started seeing Madden gameplay improve. Last year was the first year since 2006-2008 that I actually bought/played Madden. Of course it felt more like NCAA than the previous versions, especially since they added the majority of the NCAA sideline catches.

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I was with you up until the part about madden gameplay improving. I would say in some areas it has taken a big step back. Outside of 05 I would say Madden 10 was the most complete game experience both on and off the field. Robo QB's, borked OL lineplay, speed and acceleration issues, pshycic DB play, and phyics which defy human nature... are still staples to Madden's gameplay. It really goes back to Rudy's point that the single player offline experience is dying a slow, agonizing death. Online and MUT are priorities 1 and 2. :(

Correction.

MUT is priority 1.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

So Madden and NCAA take all the good they have and split it between the 2 and never use them together? I could say this is for all EA games. Why not gain a concept, implement it for all and build from that foundation?

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The Tiburon team tried to share resources between the two games, in example the gameplay team was really shared between the two, but there was a lot of rework done IMO.

Also, the amount of rework done/not shared between Canada and Tiburon would probably be mind boggling.

I think we'd all love to have NCAA next Gen.

I am an easy sale for EA and madden. Just don't screw me over too many years in a row. Honestly if the sliders were much improved and I had a customizable camera those features would guarantee a purchase from me.

How hard is it to have good sliders? Seriously? If you aren't going to fix the dumb cpu ai just give me good sliders to tune the game better. It would help quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Rudy

Shopmaster on the scouting and draft changes. Scouting REALLY simplified and I understand it. I did love doing it last year - more than actually playing the game because I really worked and found some good players. It was a lot of time and this makes it easier for everyone although some hardcore fans will be disappointed - possibly me.

One big change is you have to scout every week. You can't just wait until the end and I do like that change.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2015/06/11/ma...-and-drafting/

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Speaking of rework... the fact that there are requested features (like a draft board) that were in NFL Head Coach but still haven't made their way to Madden is infuriating.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Speaking of rework... the fact that there are requested features (like a draft board) that were in NFL Head Coach but still haven't made their way to Madden is infuriating.

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Draft boards, formation subs, score ticker... it's all the same. If they cannot turn a profit from micro-transactions then it's not important to the Tiburon team.

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

Draft boards, formation subs, score ticker... it's all the same. If they cannot turn a profit from micro-transactions then it's not important to the Tiburon team.

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Maybe they could sell draft boards, formation subs and the like to us offliners. :D

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Maybe they could sell draft boards, formation subs and the like to us offliners. :D

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Sad thing is I would pay more to have all those things... because I am so deperate to have a complete football game. Tecmo Super Bowl, NFL 2k3, 2k5 and Madden 05 offered that complete immersion experience. Playing Tecmo in the early 90's I fgured in 20 years the games would be "real." 20 years later I would kill to have some of the features from those previous games...

Do they have the chain gang in this years Madden 16

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Originally Posted by curtisleondouglas

Do they have the chain gang in this years Madden 16

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Doubtful as it has not been mentioned thus far.

OK thanks I hope they do

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Originally Posted by curtisleondouglas

OK thanks I hope they do

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I would like to see it too but Tiburon tends not to focus on little things like that so in all honesty I would not expect to see it back for a long, long time.