Bitchers??Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
Bitchers??Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
I don't care about the cannons. I never once said a word about the cannons. I know you're not pointing me out directly, and although I rarely say anything about it...I do, for the most part, have the same mentality as the "bitchers." Why? Because I've been waiting on these fixes for 5 years, so I don't have to wait to hear about the game play changes before I realize that the things I've been waiting years to get fixed...probably aren't going to be fixed. That may be the negative Nancy in me, but oh well. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
My best suggestion, in all honesty, if you find no enjoyment playing NCAA Football - don't buy it at release. Wait for reviews, community feedback etc. I am still playing and enjoying NCAA 11 (I don't trade it in before it's ever even patched). My experience with 11 wasn't so good early on because of some dynasty issues, had I traded it in for Madden, I wouldn't have enjoyed 11 (patches fixed some dynasty issues). As someone who only plays randoms online, why subject yourself to what you are sure won't be right until you have some feedback? If the feedback is good, buy it. If not, look for post-patch feedback and evaluate the situation again.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
I believe it was just before the Locomotion engine last season was announced, that everyone was whining about how terrible the movement and cutting and momentum was, because there was no good engine out to support that. And BAM! Locomotion came out as an announced feature! Now all of that stuff is a much bigger, better part of the game. You give up hope too easily without a real base, due to the massive improvements and changes to the dev team last year. Yes, I suppose you have that right, but it doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Madden then talks about improving their zone and core defense, and NCAA owned Madden's booty last year by incorporating everything Madden had in it and much MUCH MORE! Why wouldn't you think that NCAA is working on fixing the game up with the issues that you've addressed? There is talk amongst the devs on this very site that zones aren't good and they know it's an issue, and that man is overpowered and that's a known issue. They admit it needs fixing, why wouldn't you think they'll try and fix it? And don't tell me "well they've known it for years and they haven't done anything blah blah". That's not at all fair. They never admitted that was a problem (yeah I know they knew it was), but they wouldn't openly admit that as a problem if they weren't planning on looking into fixing it, they would deflect to other problems that they were looking at. That's how I would do business anyway.
Line interaction was worked on quite a bit last year, and defense is already being improved with new plays. I am more optimistic than I ever have been this gen on defense becoming a more serious part of the ball game. Is it going to get perfected this year? Nope, prolly not close by our standards. But I think it's getting closer (heck even if it WAS just new plays being inserted it's a good step), and that's all my $60 ask.
Also there's no possible way that they were only a few fixes away from a great game in 09 or 10....We finally got a cycle with several fixes last year and we're still on em that it's not close to right.
lol at this ridiculous argument. I got the email, and deleted it. sorry, but I prefer tax dollars to go to someplace else. I don't complain about money spent for a game, the chance of it being bad is the chance you take when you.. buy it. I hated 08, 09 and partially 10 ... so I played 2K, COD or something else. Not very hard to ignore a bad football game, EA has not and will not force me to play their product cause it's the only football game on the market. For the record, I got Madden 11 more than 3 weeks before release, realized that it sucked, but I had fun getting it early.
Because I'm a college football junky that needs my fix. This is the one game, good or bad, that I will buy every year. I also play randoms because it's what I find fun. I haven't been able to get a challenge out of the CPU since online came out in '04. I can put it on Heisman and it still isn't a challenge for me. The challenge for me is tournaments, online games against randoms, etc...I like the head to head chess battle as well as whoever has the best "user skills."Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
I just grew up with that. Like I said, between '04 and '07 on PS2, I logged close to 2,500 COMPLETED online ranked games.
Besides, the random players aren't the issue I have. You don't have to be a random to expose a zone defense that isn't properly programmed, or bad outside run pursuit angles by the AI.
@Jayrah, new plays isn't going to fix the defense. Zone defense has been a huge problem pretty much every game this generation. The AI is just completely messed up, and it has nothing to do with the play. If the ball is on the hash, the defenders will literally go to the wrong spot on the field which creates these massive throwing lanes and makes defense against a capable human player impossible.
My point was not who/how you play.
I know what your point was. Your point was to wait until the game come out and listen to the reviews. That's flawed for 2 reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
1. The reviews for the game have been great the past few years because reviewers only pay attention to the casual stuff. None of them pay attention to how line play is, or how well zone coverage is designed, etc..I could listen to other users, but again, that is so subjective that it's almost not worth my time to even read it.
2. As I said, I'm a football junkie. As it is, there's only ONE place every year I can attempt to get that fix. EA Sports has a complete lock on the college football/NFL game market. Compare that to shooters. I got Black Ops and it was terrible. You know why that didn't bother me one bit? Because I have a billion other different choices from different developers that have designed something that might work a little better. That's why I don't like that EA has a lock on things. $1,000 says that if they did lose the exclusivity for college football and there was competition, we would've seen all those issues fixed probably 2 or 3 games ago.
I know brotha-man! Im not sayin you're wrong, and I dont disagree with you on the issues of gp. Im sayin let the news for the correct issue play out a little bit before you get all worked up that its not in this seasons rendition and never will be because we've never seen it. Something on defense is being worked on for the first time in years, so it stands to reason there will be some gp work done to accompany that.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
:D yes that's my word :PQuote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Or, like I said, get community feedback. Let it simmer a couple of weeks (don't go on the initial OMG!!! posts). I'm sure there must be someone who has an opinion you'd trust on this.Quote:
1. The reviews for the game have been great the past few years because reviewers only pay attention to the casual stuff. None of them pay attention to how line play is, or how well zone coverage is designed, etc..I could listen to other users, but again, that is so subjective that it's almost not worth my time to even read it.
However, with your point #2, it's obvious that a) you know it will suck and be broken, b) you will buy it anyway, c) you will shelf/trade it before any patches are released (sadly, this is a huge mistake with any sports title nowdays and I'm not suggesting that patches fixed everything last year, lol). That's certainly your right.
This is true. It's just something that's been wrong for so long that I can't help but be a little skeptic it's going to get fixed. I'm not going to judge the game until it's released. Everything I've said so far is based on past releases, not NCAA '12. Like I said, I'm not one of those people that bitch about it just for fun...I actually WANT the game to be improved. After all, I buy it every year on release day, so I definitely want it to be as good as it can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrah
I didn't actually get rid of it until all the patches/tuner sets had been released and I was sure I wasn't going to get any enjoyment out of the game. That applies to all games I buy, actually, not just sports titles(except BB...I wanted nothing to do with that).Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Like I said, the only reason I buy it every year regardless of the quality is because of how much I love football video games. I usually do get my $60 worth out of it, I just want something that I WANT to play for the entire year until the next release rather than a month or two.