Exactly what I was going to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Guess the developers don't want to feel restricted or limited in regards, but it makes sense to add since cost vs what you would gain is favor of the latter.
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Exactly what I was going to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Guess the developers don't want to feel restricted or limited in regards, but it makes sense to add since cost vs what you would gain is favor of the latter.
That's exactly why I think both Sony and Microsoft are going for a lot of RAM regardless of whether the rumors are true or not. The biggest limiting factor in the current consoles was the RAM. The 360 has 512MB and I'm pretty sure the PS3 had only 256MB of RAM (don't remember for sure). You could really see that in later games and it was always present with the PS3 and it's horrible slowdown with the in game XMB.Quote:
Originally Posted by skipwondah33
I guess they finally realized that there's no point in taking the risk of the RAM potentially being a bottleneck when they can just load up on as much as they want because of how cheap of a solution it is.
Yep spot on and it would be ridiculous to have such a small thing in both cost and implementation be the reason for suffering performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
The XMB issue was and still is terrible.
I'm not disagreeing with the cost analysis. I simply don't buy that MS can have ZERO XB1s manufactured now 4 months out from launch. I don't see anyway possible they could just ramp up the assembly line and start cranking out all of the XB1s needed to even come close to meet demand. It's a time issue more than a cost/technology issue.
Oh I agree with that as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Just saying IF production hasn't already started...which I know it has already begun.
Perhaps that's where the rumors of production troubles started and it's not production troubles, but rather they haven't started production yet because they haven't nailed down the final specs yet. Considering Sony has 3 times the number of consoles available, it's definitely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Besides, they ALREADY can't meet demand. The stores around me have been sold out of the Xbox One for weeks.
This is still 100% rumors at this point, but it does make a little bit of sense.
Well let's presume it's all true. It's still playing into Sony hands (IF Sony can meet demand). If Sony has really sold out of 3x the supply and they can increase production the final 4 months to meet additional demand due to no XB1s X% will UNDOUBTEDLY just get a PS4 instead of waiting for XB1 to be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
The question is how high does X% get. If true, you could be looking at a super-majority world-wide and a clear majority in the US with PS4s.
I don't see how it's playing into Sony's hands. The Xbox 360 launched a full year ahead of the PS3 with a $200 cheaper pricetag and a much better catalog of games. They started off amazingly well and were way ahead of Sony. Look at the numbers now. The PS3 did WAY more things wrong than the Xbox One is doing and it ended up doing just as well as the 360 because no one cares about how the launch is, but rather how well it's supported throughout it's life cycle. You're putting entirely way too much weight into the launches of these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
But, back on topic, the Xbox One already sold out once and retailers were allotted more after a few weeks. It's impossible to predict how these things are going to fare in their first few weeks because there's too much unknown at this point. If they both can meet their respective demands, they're both going to sell extremely well.
I have no doubt in my mind that if Microsoft wanted to change the specs on the One, especially something like the RAM or increasing the power of the GPU, they'd still have plenty of time to do so. Whether or not they do, I don't know...I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.
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Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
This of course begs the question: Why change specs when "they don't matter"? (or whatever the quote was when asked why PS4 was more powerful)
Future proof, maybe. They have 8GB of RAM, but 3GB of that is going to be reserved for the OS, so developers are left with 5GB of RAM to work with. That's plenty for now, but a few extra GBs might add a little insurance to make sure the RAM isn't eventually a bottleneck, like it was for the 360 and the PS3.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Like I said, it doesn't really matter in the end. Games on both consoles are going to look virtually the same, and PS4 exclusives will look a tad bit better. Optimizing the GPU and adding more RAM isn't going to change that. It's going to be a carbon copy rehash of this gen.
Nope specs are "meaningless" according to Xbox Exec. Sounds like they are getting a spec "pump" or "implant" if you ask me. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
So you're going to listen to an executive who probably a. has no working knowledge of how any of the stuff works, and b. probably didn't even work on the console? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Of course specs matter. Only an idiot would say otherwise. When the specs are as close as what the One and PS4 are going to be, then no, the DIFFERENCE likely wont matter, but of course specs matter in general.
Yeah hoped that wasn't true that specs don't matter but couldn't up with a funny comment lol
Because its just hilarious for that to be said in the electronics world.
If that's the case I need to trade one of my inferior spec computers for a high end one straight up to Dell lol
That is what he said. Course if they bump it up to where they have more than Sony, well then let's talk specs will be the position. Point is when you are inferior in regards to specs, "specs are meaningless":DQuote:
Originally Posted by skipwondah33
lmao wow!
That almost needs to be a meme
Maybe what he meant was that specs aren't everything lol
Which in some cases you could have the best looking technical specifications with cheap parts, implementation, whatever and it be out performed by a counterpart with less glamorous specs I guess.
However to say that they are "meaningless" I don't believe is true lol
The only ones making a big deal about it are die hard Sony supporters. For the record, he clarified rather quickly afterwards in a post:
As I said before, he's dead right. Games on both consoles are going to look extremely similar.Quote:
I appreciate those who understand the point I was trying to get across. It’s always hard, after sitting doing interviews all day, and you’re trying to have an engaging conversation with someone, and words get pulled out our the tone what you’re trying to say didn’t come out how you meant it.
You should also understand this interview was done after our launch event, and prior to E3. So please take that into consideration.
I’m not diminishing Sony’s performance claims and I wasn’t trying to be arrogant or dismissive. What I was trying to say is – I’m not Sony’s engineering team. So I can’t comment on what they have published as specs. I know what our teams are doing, and I know how they thought about architecting the system. The guys who are building these machines (on both sides) are unbelievably talented and experts in their field. Nobody knows the specifics of how the machines are architected or if there may be bottlenecks in one system or accelerators in another that change the impact of the published specs.
What I believe is that our games are going to be great and they are going to look next-gen, and I *think* E3 sort of showed that. And great games are what matters. And while you guys joke about the cloud stuff, I think the stuff the Respawn guys have said starts to clear up what we’ve been talking about with cloud performance (cue the “have you seen Titanfall” meme)
Games on both systems looked awesome. I was there, and while I know RISE took a hit on the gameplay that was shown, I thought it was the most next-gen looking game I saw on either platform. Of course, I get I’m biased and I didn’t have time to see everything.
As always, I love taking the hits. And I appreciate that while the words I used may were probably worth some scrutiny, I do appreciate that some of you got what I was trying to say.
(BTW the picture in that article is not me, but it is my good looking friend Kevin who works in Marketing)
There's a HUGE difference between 5 gigs of RAM and 8 gigs of RAM and while the games themselves may look graphically similar, I GUARANTEE you that framerates will take a hit if they don't do some form of optimization on the XBONE to run within the 5 gig limitation.
I'm not a die hard Sony supporter FYI. I'd LOL at anyone who said that.
Sure I've eventually had Sony ever since the PS came out, but first next-gen console I had was a 360.
In fact the only reason I eventually got a PS3 1-2 years later was because I had 3...yes 3 xbox 360's fail on me during my time of owning. I actually got a 4th but decided to trade it in before the thing failed and eventually got a PS3. I didn't have any intentions on getting a PS3 due to the cost, unless they dropped in price at the time.
That PS3 that I got at the time didn't start having issues until last year when I replaced it in September. So got 5 years out of it. Whereas in a year's time I owned 4 xbox 360's...
Yeah specs are "meaningless"
In IOU's world non MS homer = Sony homer :DQuote:
Originally Posted by skipwondah33
Most of the Xbox One games at E3 were running at a constant 60FPS while most of the PS4 games were running at 30FPS. Name one game right now that actually uses 5GB of RAM. Good luck. Like I said, it's overkill because right now, there's virtually none that use that much RAM. The difference is going to lie with the GPU. The one Sony is using is definitely more powerful, but it's not more powerful in the sense that they're going to have hugely better looking games. It would probably come right down to some games being able to run at a full 1080p with full effects on the PS4, while the Xbox One version would have be run a 900p to achieve full effects. Would anyone be able to tell the difference? I know I sure couldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I didn't mean you. Hell, I didn't even mean CLW. I don't consider anyone on here one of the die hard Sony supporters I was talking about. CLW might be a little one sided, but I truly believe that he's just having fun and doesn't take this stuff that seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by skipwondah33
I was referring to the idiots that I read on various gaming sites who take this shit completely out of context and act like these "console wars" are the most important thing in the world.