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I think it's more of the point that these sanctions were to be a message that the culture of college football was to change. But as everyone knows and was said publicly on ESPN last night by Fowler and Davis that it's not going to change a damn thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
Did the NCAA actually say that these sanctions were going to be a message about changing the culture of college football? If so, they are truly retarded and it's media spin like a motherfucker. The culture of college football will be and has been since it became a televised sporting event about winning at any cost. Nothing short of dissolving the NCAA and forming a league outside of the notion that college football is about academics as much as athletics will change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
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Originally Posted by morsdraconis
Oh absolutely. It was the main point behind everything they said. They said it needed to start with the change at PSU
That's why on OTL last night Fowler was saying how there is no way it's going to change and they are to blame when they just created a system where the MNC goes to the highest bidder.
Also why Bob Ley asked Emmett on OTL that didn't you make this comment " when LSU football succeeds then LSU University succeeds" Emmertt was caught and bumbled through his response.
Then later Bob asked about academics and where LSU was which he answered. Then later asked about the change in football culture and to really focus on academics first to which Bob Ley said " well aren't they already doing that?
I'm not going to link it here but YouTube
Emmertt and Ley it's worth the 8 minutes.
So apparently the Freeh report has been corrected for errors :fp: Good diligent investigating :D
disclaimer - I have not read the article yet so I don't know what the errors were, just posting
http://www.statecollege.com/news/loc...-says-1098776/
Most were times and dates however one major blunder was the association with Shultz instead of Baldwin (I think if I remember it correctly) and it was in reference to knowledge of the 1998 incident. :smh: this is the bible we believe it as factual and always up for edits :D
Yeah they probably left out the fact Joe Pa was raping boys after Sandusky finished?Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
Seriously, it's time to move on. :Penn_State: has ACCEPTED the report as TRUE and has ACCEPTED the :NCAA:'s punishment. If you are a PSU fan and are angry the only people you can be angry with is the University.
Move on? Sir, you are obviously not thinking of the children with your comments. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Your wrong the President accepted this as true not the board or majority of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Those asking for compliance and completely open books were once again shunned but since most got what they wanted they can look the other way and see no issue with this situation.
Corey i know your semi satisfied as many are but there is a lot more to come from this. Whether you want to understand and follow is completely up to you but Eric and I will be closely following this as it unfolds.
Seemed to be lots of chatter of being forced to sign this or face harsher penalties like the death penalty. Now that the likes of espn and other people are finally looking at this different the public and some media are ready to move on. I find this so funny.
What happens if Curley and Shultz are found not to have committed perjury because of what they were told in their meetings with McQueary? Sure would make the NCAA look like they overstepped things and rushed to penalties without giving this institution the proper investigation like it states in the bylaws.
We just wanted a fair chance to allow the criminal courts to handle criminal things and the NCAA to handle things once the facts and trials were over. And I know your going to say or think I don't think PSU should be punished and that isn't the case at all. We just want what every institution is given and that is a fair investigation.
It appears right now at 5pm est there was a special board of trustees meeting regarding the decree signed without board approval.
Just adding this so you all know I'm not BS'ing you when I said President Erickson may hbe overstepped his position.
If Penn State had not accepted the package of NCAA sanctions announced Monday, the Nittany Lions faced a historic death penalty of four years, university president Rodney Erickson told "Outside the Lines" Wednesday afternoon.
In a separate interview, NCAA president Mark Emmert confirmed that a core group of NCAA school presidents had agreed early last week that an appropriate punishment was no Penn State football for four years.
Emmert told Erickson in a phone conversation on July 17 that a majority of the NCAA's leadership wanted to levy the four-year penalty because of Penn State's leaders' roles in covering up the child sexual abuse of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.
"Well, that's a pretty tough number to swallow," Erickson said he recalled thinking when told of the four-year possibility by Emmert. "It's unprecedented. It's a blow to the gut, there's no doubt about that & I couldn't agree to that at all."
Almost immediately after that conversation, intensive discussions between Penn State and the NCAA began in earnest, Erickson said. Penn State lobbied for the NCAA to take the death penalty off the table, and the NCAA described a series of other sanctions, both "punitive and corrective" in nature.
The discussions were so secretive that most members of Penn State's embattled Board of Trustees had no idea they were happening, several trustees said.
Indeed, the trustees had thought that Erickson was officially responding to a Nov. 17 letter of questions from the NCAA. In the interview on Wednesday, Erickson said the letter was set aside last week as the discussions between Penn State and the NCAA intensified.
Erickson said if Penn State did not agree to the sanctions, a formal investigation would have begun and the university could have faced a multiyear death penalty as well as "other sanctions," including a financial penalty far greater than $60 million.
"There were figures that were thrown around that were quite large," he said.
After five days of intense discussions last week, Erickson and Emmert agreed last Sunday to the historic punishment of a $60 million fine, a four-year postseason ban, significant loss of scholarships and the vacating of 14 years of 112 Penn State victories, causing Joe Paterno to fall from first to eighth on the all-time coaches' win list.
The punishment was for the role played by four Penn State leaders -- Paterno, former university president Graham Spanier, athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz -- to conceal Sandusky's child sexual abuse for more than 10 years, as described in the university-commissioned Freeh Report.
Erickson's comments were made Wednesday afternoon, shortly before he was scheduled to meet with Penn State's Board of Trustees about the terms of the consent decree he signed with the NCAA. Several trustees said they are furious that the board was not given a chance to vote on the agreement, which they say is bad for Penn State.
Erickson said his insistence that Penn State must avoid the death penalty was driven in large part with worry over the devastating economic impact of no Saturday afternoon football in central Pennsylvania and the words of newly hired coach Bill O'Brien.
O'Brien said in an interview Wednesday that he told Erickson, "I want to play football and I want to play football on television."
"Both of those things are possible under the sanctions," Erickson said Wednesday. "I think it is not only best for our football program but best for our entire set of sports in intercollegiate athletes to be able to continue on and have the opportunity to play in that stadium and participate."
Erickson said he disagrees with the criticism that the NCAA sanctions are worse than the death penalty.
"I think the death penalty would have been far, far worse for the program and the university over the long run," he said.
While it had been known that Penn State faced a possible multiyear death penalty, the level of NCAA support for a four-year death penalty and the import given to that threat by Erickson and other Penn State leaders were not previously known.
Erickson signed a consent decree that accepted full responsibility for the facts and conclusions of the 267-page Freeh report, a seven-month investigation by the firm of former FBI director Louis Freeh. His investigators interviewed more than 430 witnesses and reviewed more than 3.5 million documents.
The decree states the evidence against Penn State "presents an unprecedented failure of institutional integrity leading to a culture in which a football program was held in higher esteem than the values of the institution, the values of the NCAA, the values of higher education and, most disturbingly, the values of human decency."
The university's discussions with the NCAA last week were so secretive that most trustee members had no idea they were going on, even as late as last Sunday when Erickson and Emmert said the consent decree's terms were finalized.
Some trustees said they hoped the dismantling of Paterno's statue would send a positive message to the NCAA when it considered sanctions. Little did those trustees know, Erickson had already agreed in principle by last Saturday on the "punitive and corrective" sanctions.
Some trustees said they are considering a bid to overturn the consent decree in court because they don't believe Erickson had the authority to sign it. Erickson consulted with board chairwoman Karen Peetz, acting AD Dave Joyner and several other unnamed members of the board's executive committee, he said Wednesday.
Two trustees said most of the board's members did not find out about the terms of the agreement until Monday morning.
"This is the most significant decision in the history of Penn State, and we didn't know," one trustee said. "The financial impact of this decision could run as high as $500 million, and we didn't know anything about it.
"The Freeh Report criticized us for not being in the loop on the Sandusky matter, and we were totally out of the loop on this. What happened to the transparency that we were promised?"
Another trustee said there is a growing movement among some trustees to attempt to challenge the consent decree in court.
"They've destroyed the school, as far as I'm concerned," this trustee said. "Think of the innocent players hurt by this. They had nothing to do with this and they have to pay the price."
On Wednesday, Erickson said he had consulted with Peetz, the board chairwoman, and the university's outside counsel, about whether he had the authority to negotiate and approve the agreement with the NCAA.
"We felt that I had the authority to engage in that consent decree," he said.
Don Van Natta Jr. is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine and ESPN.com.
Yep so go ahead challenge the President's consent in Court. I'll assume you win that argument (although I have SIGNIFICNAT doubts about that). Here is what WILL happen after that.
#1 You will piss off the NCAA
#2 The NCAA will go through the motions and start a "formal investigation"
#3 The investigation will largely mirror what is already known and it might even get worse for Penn State
#4 The NCAA will institute a 4 year death penalty
#5 The entire economy around PSU will take a SIGNIFICANT loss
#6 In 2016 you can start recruiting football players again. (no guarantee there won't be further punishments reducing scholarships; bowls; Big 10 conf affiliation; BIGGER $ fine; etc...)
Penn State is much better off taking this punishment and moving on versus the alterantive above.
Yep, being forced to accept penalties or else mentality is exactly what all other institutions are rooting for as well. God help us all that we don't allow one person to have that much power and authority. Think how well that is working out in other situations in life.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
So allowing the NCAA to investigate the truth is something those pounding their chests earlier wants to avoid? Can you explain this to me?
I think some already know how pissed off PSU is, take Governor Tom Corbet the same guy that still stinks of this and hindered this investigation by only having one assistant helping while he was the attorney general is now back stepping and trying to gain public support by pubically stating the penalties were to harsh. Sorry pal, your term is over soon and you stand zero chance for reelection.
RB silas redd is the first transfer from penn state......gonna be a trojan
he's visiting this weekend, nothing final yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
So, who's rosters do we download if that happens ?
I don't know. I may be alone with this opinion, but I am going to pretty much end up thinking less of any one who does transfer out. A bunch of players and starters have already committed to sticking with the team, their "brothers" and the university, regardless of the circumstances and difficulties ahead. Anyone who transfers out, they're basically turning their back on the rest of the guys on the team, telling them to fuck off, showing that they're a pussy when faced with adversity, and that they care about nothing but personal gain or a trophy. Just because they play for Penn State, doesn't mean the NFL scouts aren't going to give a damn about them. They'll still get attention from NFL scouts and as much a chance at an NFL career as any other player at a major school.
And still be on TV just as much as well as options are being looked at for adding Hawaii for a 13th game :up:
While I won't hold any grudges if he goes, the USC move to me doesn't make sense. He's going to split time with McNeal and both of them are going to play second fiddle to Barkleys Heisman campaign.
If he stays he's going to be the offense and the national attention that this team is going to get is going to be ridiculous. Every week you know they will be talking about how they are doing. And Smooth is right, right now he's basically the only starter that hasn't committed to coming back so they are still going to be a decent team.
The only thing he gains from going to USC, is pretty much a guaranteed national championship. IMO, that seems shallow.