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I can't get manual substitutions to work.
Around Xmas, they had Santa hats on in-game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan HAMsen
Unfortunately, no those plays do not. However, somewhere in the settings you can see the full plays and diagrams for each coach. I *think* Cut (and the other quick plays) are in there, but I'm not 100% sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan HAMsen
- Play against Brooklyn & San Antonio. I think Williams & Parker play differently (PITA) and are tough to guard with the P&R.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryby6969
Closer to the rim, L1+Square (shoot) will do a floater, I think. The same combo does bank shots, IIRC. I may need to double check the controls; I'm second guessing myself....
EDIT - L1 + Square is a bank shot unless you are moving, then it is a floater.
During timeouts or during the action?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan HAMsen
Historically, I have never thought subs worked correctly in Live when using the 'packages,' such as Free Throw, Shooters, etc. but I thought that and individual subs were working in 14. I could be wrong though. What is happening for you?
I made changes to the line up after a foul. Horn sounds after the first free throw, but none of my subs change. Made the second free throw, but the shooter didn't sub out. Called a time out, still no subs.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
Looks like it won't matter to me. I was only wanting to manually sub because I hadn't set my rotation properly. It looks like, after one game, that Auto Subs will follow my game plan pretty much the same way that I would do it manually. Good. I don't really want to have to micromanage that part of the game anyway.
I started a dynasty with New Orleans. It is nice that I can set the expectations as a rebuilding year. That makes me feel like I can take the season to learn the game without worrying about missing the playoffs because of a slow start.
For now, I'm playing 6 min quarters on Pro. I set simulated quarters at 8, I think.
My gosh, I forgot how hard it is to shoot in this game. On pro I only shot 28% from the field. It does seem like cpu blocks have been toned down though and that's great. The players are still a little too slow moving and reacting for my tastes but at least the blocks have been addressed. Overall the game feels a lot more polished from the demo I have played.
Thanks again CDJ!
I just started playing this tonight, only a quarter and a half into my first game on it, but some very early observations.
* My god is the scoring streaky. Playing Milwaukee at Denver, Bucks open the game with a 7-2 run, then I got on a 13-4 run over a period of 3 or 4 minutes, then the Bucks go on a 10-0 run over a period of 3 or 4 minutes. So far, there is no back and forth. Your team sucks while the other team scores and runs up the score (or closes the lead), then after 4 or 5 minutes, it switches, the other team sucks and your team goes on a run and builds up a lead or closes the gap.
* Does anybody have any idea on shooting? I can't find any rhyme or reason when it comes to shooting. I can take two similar situations, have a player take a wide open, undefended 3 point shot, hold the button down the same length of time, control the player exactly the same, release the button at the same point of the shot, and yet one will swish and the other clanks off the rim. When I went on a 13-4 run, it seemed like I couldn't miss anything, 3-pointers, layups, dunks, jump shots, whatever. I'm currently mired in the middle of the Bucks going on a 10-0 run and it doesn't matter what I do, every single shot clanks out, even though they were the exact same shots I was taking during my 13-4 run.
* As others have pointed out, they need to work on acceleration some, players move a bit sluggish at times and some players that have that "go" speed up and down the court, it takes half the court for them to reach that "go" speed in the game.
* Sliders! This game not having any sliders was a concern of mine clear back in October, and playing it right now, it still is an issue. There are a lot of things this game does good. There are a lot of things this game does terribly. Some of those things that this game does terribly could easily be remedied by the user being able to adjust sliders and self-fix some of the problems on the court.
Just finished my first game, played 7 minute quarters. Denver (me) beats Milwaukee 73-64. I won, thanks to free throws. Ended the game going 10-10 in free throws in the final minute (my only points of the final minute), taking what was a 63-61 lead and turning into a 9 point win. Despite many issues throughout the game with missed shots (despite being what I considered clean and solid shots) and multiple minutes of one team or the other going on large streaks (7-2 to start, 13-4, 10-0, etc), I still managed to shoot 56% for the game, shoot 40% from 3-point range (one thing I love about Denver, never a shortage of solid 3-point shooting players) and 73% from the free throw line.
I still can't quite figure out the exact method of good shots vs. bad shots, but I've been able to figure out the proper timing on free throws (after going 2-6 in the first half) to turn them into automatic points every time I go to the line.
The scoring in the second half was still very streaky, no true back and forth scoring.
Rebounding, tune down the CPU rebounding just a bit please! I had Bucks players (tall or short, didn't matter) come flying up out of the pack to rebound the ball while my players just stood there hopping up and down off the ground.
Defense, am I the only one having trouble defending the ball in the paint or is anyone else having issues? I can defend pretty well up the court and along the perimeter, but once it gets into the paint, one or two quick moves by the ball carrier and they go shoot past my player to the bucket, while my defender just sits there for a good solid second or two before I can control them again. I can't begin to count how many very frustrating points I gave up in the paint because my defender would just stand there instead of trying to block the shot or make a play in the air while the defender just shot past him after making a quick move and laid it up with no pressure.
Now, one very good thing I noticed during the game, you CAN drive to the basket and make plays in the paint in NBA Live. One thing I hate, hate, hated about NBA 2K is it's damn near impossible to drive to the basket. Every time I'd try to drive to the basket, all a defender had to do was step into the lane and it was like hitting a brick wall. My player would get sucked right into the defender and even though I was going at a full sprint, bam, instantly stopped on a dime and the play ruined.
NBA Live, countless times I sat along the perimeter with the ball in the hands of Ty Lawson, set up a screen or pick, make a quick move (while hitting the turbo/sprint/boost/whatever the hell they call it while making the move so I could get some speed built up early) and then cut inside and sprint to the basket for a dunk or layup, often going through or past two or three defenders to make the play. Ty Lawson ended with 34 points in the game. 6 came from the 3-point line, 4 came from the free throw line. The remaining 24 points came from layups, dunks, drives to the basket and overall a bunch of paint play that I was able to successfully do for a change in NBA Live, while half of it would have been impossible to do in NBA 2K (or at least was impossible in the past, I don't know what next-gen 2K is like, if there's still defensive suction or whatnot).
So far, just one game in, so I can't really grade, praise or condemn the game with such a small sample size. However, so far, it's not bad. There are some things that really do need fixed, sliders really do need to be added (#1 request for NBA Live 15!) and it is definitely rough around the edges, there is no doubt about that. But, it also does some things well and there are at least one or two areas that it does better than NBA 2K. Overall, I'm content with it so far, we'll see how much, if any, my opinion changes as I continue to play more games, as I dive into Dynasty, Rising Star, etc. Ultimate Team, much like Madden, FIFA, NCAA, etc, I really don't give a damn about it, but I'll at least briefly try it to see what it's like in NBA Live, but even then, I doubt I spend much time on it as it has never been that much of an interest for me in any other sports game in the past.
Not sure why, but my last game of a Dynasty didn't save last night.
I don't even want to imagine what it was like before. The CPU is averaging about 8 blocks per game against me, also playing on pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Got my first dynasty win in game 3 at home against Charlotte, 48-40.
I went 20/43 from the field, and 1-6 outside the lane. Charlotte had 6 blocks.
Really, the big difference between this game and others is that I only turned it over 7 times.
I'm starting to be able to run the Cut quick play pretty good. The double screen quick play is my only chance at a 3 pointer, I've stopped shooting them except when the timing is good on that play. Also one of the set plays that I don't remember the name of, but I don't think I'm running it according to plan anyway, haha.
After playing a few more games this time using my terrible Ultimate Team, it just feels this game is one good development cycle away from being a really solid game. The main issue I am having is just the consistency with the game. One play it will feel like a really polished game and then the very next possession it feels like a beta.
I still feel like the player movement is way too sluggish. Almost like there is a slight delay in it reading my commands. I think it was smooth that mentioned sliders and I agree completely as well as the blocked shots. I also like some of the animations but the problem is there are just not enough playing out. I think I have seen the same few rebound animations every time. Maybe it is just me, but it also feels like the court may be too small. Just seems like it is a tad bit congested at times.
BTW, I have had the game crash on me in the middle of a game twice now. This last time I was in the 3rd QTR and was picking a play and I got an error code and it sent me back to the XMB menu.
I'm only 1 game in as I have been busy these last 2 days but 1 game and watching my 2 kids play against each other I thought the game was good.
I've noticed that if I square up on an offensive player I made them run out the shot clock 3 different times. I was confused as the offensive player CPU AI was just standing there dribbling as the clock hit 0.
Shooting has been tough but I'm trying on PRO and thought it would be better to take my lumps early and learn.
Free throw shooting is tough, in the very limited amount I've had I have struggled tremendously. It's just a feel thing and I'm sure I will get used to it but right out of the gate I've struggled.
Are there supposed to be quick plays when you just tap the d-pad once? They only work for me when I tap it twice.
I am really struggling with free throws and shooting in general. It would be great if shooting had a power metre for all shots so you could see the shot zone and know when to hit it. I find 2k's shooting system is much easier to learn.
That's been my big issue when playing. I can't find any exact rhyme or reason when it comes to why one shot misses and one goes through (when both look like perfect shots). I can't tell if there is any signal or meter or something to tell you when to release the button (and thus release the ball during the shot). Many of my shots are get open, chuck it up and pray.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
For free throws, I actually have for a method for them. Playing with Denver vs. Milwaukee, I found there's a certain point when the player is winding the ball up to shoot, that if you release the button at that exact point, it will go through as a swish every time. I finished the game going 10-10 in free throws with 4 different players, all with different speeds when it comes to taking a free throw shot, but always releasing the button at the same point. I'll have to play another game to remember the exact moment and be able to describe it or record, but free throws I've been able to nail down and turn into "money" shots and points.
Still suck at regular shooting though. :D
That issue was more prevalent before some of the game updates, believe it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan HAMsen
Single Tap (Offense)
Up - SCREEN
Left -ISOLATION
Down - CUT
Right - POST UP
Double Tap (Offense) [Basically same as single tap, but you get to select individual player for focus of play]
Up - SCREEN (Then press icon of specific player to set a screen; unsure of who/why it picks person to screen for)
Left - ISOLATION (Then press icon of specific player you want isolated; must then pass them the ball to take advantage)
Down - CUT (Then press icon of specific player you want to make cut)
Right - POST UP (Then press icon of specific player you want to post up)
Single Tap (Defense)
Up - 2-3 ZONE
Left - 3-2 ZONE
Down - MAN TO MAN
Right - FULL COURT
Double Tap (Defense)
Up - PACK PAINT
Left - STAR FOCUS
Down - COACH DEFAULT
Right - PRESSURE SHOOTERS
Thanks Chris for that play breakdown, that helps even though you wouldn't know it from my last game hahaha.
I started a dynasty with Golden State and opened against the Lakers.
I lost 66-38. Believe it or not it was a 2 point game heading into the half but I just broke down late and left them end the game on a 23-3 run :fp:
Smooth I think it was, your right about the free throws. I was able to find the rhythm and went 7-11 from the line.
I was an abysmal 1-14 from behind the arc. I have to quit trying so many threes or start setting them up a little bit better. Which is exactly why I only shot 28% in the game.
Not bad though for my first real game. I'm playing 7 minute quarters with it set on PRO. I will keep posting stats here and let you know my thoughts more as this progresses.
There is not a button per se for boxing out, but does the right stick towards the defender work? I want think I thought I saw this last night, but couldn't remember, and I was a few beers in.
I am getting killed in man D. My guy seems 2 steps behind the offensive player. The cpu is then money in the paint.
Help!!! How do you stop the cpu from driving in the paint? I just can't stay in front of the cpu player. John Wall just scorched me for 18 points in the paint. What exactly does L1 and L2 do for D? Boxing out seems impossible. Any helpful hints???
L2 puts you in a defensive stance and allows you to use the right stick to stay in front of your man.
You can use the Strategy tab (Far right in Timeout or L1 + Down then far right during gameplay) to assign a double team to Wall which will help as well.
Possibly the worst I have ever played in any basketball game ever. In the rookie showcase I was ranked 4.0
3/11 fgm/a
1/4 3pm/a
27% fg %
0/10 free throws... :bang:
1 asst
7 points
It didn't matter what I did. I could not hit a free throw if my life depended on it. Still I was selected #22 by Brooklyn.
I read on OS that one guy said the camera angle actually doesn't show your true defensive positioning. He suggested shading one way or another and it helps crack down on it since you aren't lined up the way you think you are (does that actually make sense?).Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
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Originally Posted by jaymo76
You and me both brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
I started up a Rising Star the other night, after I got done with my Play Now game of Milwaukee vs. Denver. I had to go head to head with freaking Trey Burke all damn game in the Rookie Showcase. Talk about getting my ass lit up. Every time he got inside, my player was ALWAYS one or two steps behind, allowing Burke to cut to the basket will absolutely nothing to slow him down and rack up something like 20-25 points.
My grade ended up taking a hit because of it. While I passed a lot and had a bunch of assists, even had some rebounds and a pair of blocks, and actually shot really damn good (I myself ended up with something like 24 points), my grade got dinged all to hell and ended up being something like 5.9 or 6.1 because of freaking indefensible Burke in the damn paint, constantly having all my progress ruined because my match-up scored. I got up to as high as a 7.9 grade at halftime, then between Burke lighting me up, and going stone cold for half of the third quarter, my grade slipped clear down to 4.0. It took everything I had just to get it back up into the 6.0 range.
I like this game. Frustrating though it may be, I think that means that it will be really rewarding long term.
However, the play calling bug is basically a Dynasty killer for me. I lost 3+ quarters Thursday night because of it. I replayed that game to completion last night, but then got hit with the same bug in the next game on the schedule. Losing progress like that is one of my biggest pet peeves in sports games. It is the reason that I quit playing online dynasties on NCAA. And that's NCAA, where the schedule maxes out at 14 games. It would be a real grind for me to complete an 82 game NBA season even if everything ran smoothly.
Honestly, under different circumstances I would probably just cut my losses and go back to the other NBA game on PS4. If this were a rental, I would have already taken it back. I do like this game though, and this situation is unique, so I'm not going to give up on it just yet.
On the positive side, I really like the social interaction elements of this game. I like getting updates about what y'all have been doing. I don't think I have ever had a sports game that did this. One of the things that I really like about Need For Speed is that it is constantly reminding you that your friends play that game, and prompting you to best their scores. Having something like this in Live is a really nice touch. Since I have almost zero interest in the real NBA, I ordinarily wouldn't have any interest in the Live Moments (or whatever it's called, I forget). But seeing y'all put up scores in that mode makes me want to play it. To me, that's when the social interaction is done right.
I really want to like this game and I keep coming back for more. In all honesty this game has the steepest learning curve of any sports game I have ever played. 2k is pretty easy to learn while with Live I am still mashing buttons trying to figure things out.
Please, please, please patch in a practise court!!! The tutorial videos sort of help but I need a skills trainer. I would love to see a player lock added to D. Basically use what NCAA BBall did... help me get back into position when I blow my coverage. There also needs to be a quicker way to access coach features. The L1 and then bumper pad is time consuming during the play. I would love to see a "re-mapping" of controls to make the game easier to play.
I'm trying to get my head around what that means exactly. After the kids go to bed tonight I will play around with the game again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
I don't have many problems staying in front of my man playing as a PG with the Baseline Low cam.
I agree completely on the practice court. Definitely need someway to work on the controls outside of an actual game. I also agree that this game has the steepest learning curve I have ever played. My first time ever playing NBA 2K, I was able to pick it up, and after at least glancing over the controls and button mapping, I was able to dive right into games and go to town. I'm still trying to learn everything here.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
I'm also sort of unhappy them having shooting mapped to the Square (PS)/X (Xbox) button. NBA 2K, as well as all of the NCAA basketball games, if I'm remembering right, had the shooting command mapped to the O (PS)/B (Xbox) button. It just seems so odd and unnatural to have to press X to shoot instead of B like normal.
That said, I actually am liking the game. I honestly can't say that I thought very much of this game when watching JB and others streaming it on Twitch. It just didn't look that impressive and I wasn't sure I'd want to play until at least NBA Live 15, after they've had a full cycle to work on it more and try to make it better, but while it absolutely is rough around the edges, there are some things this game does well and other than the aggravation of alternating hot/cold streaks in my Milwaukee/Denver game, I actually was enjoying myself and had fun. Other than the aggravation of not being able to defend Trey Burke in the Rookie Showcase, I was enjoying myself and having fun.
There are some things that are definitely aggravating with this game, some things that desperately need to be tweaked, cleaned up or completely reworked, but overall, after having some hands on time the other night (and more hands on time the next couple days after I get done with work for the week tonight), I actually think EA has a fairly solid foundation here for their first actual release. If they can fix the issues, clean things up and make some needed additions, NBA Live 15 actually could be a pretty damn solid title and quickly start giving NBA 2K a run for their money.
The free throw shooting is enough to make me want to headbutt something. It should at the very least tell me if I'm shooting too quick or holding it too long. Unless I'm missing something, it doesn't give you any feedback whatsoever.
+1000Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
I don't have this game and never will. I just don't like the sport. The last basketball game I ever owned was CH2k8 (the only one in that series that I ever had) and before that it was NBA Live 97 (I think).
All of that said, I've ALWAYS felt that free throw shooting should be completely reliant on ratings. I wouldn't enjoy a game where I couldn't get the mechanic down and therefore couldn't shoot free throws. Conversely, I would hate to shoot 90%, or so, just because I mastered the mechanic. I'd rather have free throws be done for me (based on the player's ability) than have either of those outcomes.
Just my 2¢.
The exact comment is even worse in Madden for kicking FGs. NCAA was lousy this year too. It's almost hard to miss and with their weak sliders you can't fix it. I thought 2K had an option where you could choose real percentage for free throws. Maybe EA should do that in Live and Madden as well (as an option).Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
You're spot on with the NCAA/Madden comments, brother. And, right again, 2k did have that option. It was a fantastic option and made free throws realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy
I agree. Tried switching between ratings and skill and just ratings but it doesn't seem to make a difference. Still pretty much dependent in when you release the ball which is frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Speaking of free throws, the contrast between the time it takes for CPU controlled free throws in Live and 2k is comical.
Damn power outage last night. I didn't get to do anything all night. The power is finally back on so hopefully tonight I can play a few games. I wonder though, is being a starter in the player career mode a guarantee? I had a terrible rookie showcase and am ranked 71 ovr yet I am an instant starter for the nets and played 18 of 20 minutes (five min quarters). I don't deserve to be a starter and there are better players on the team who are now on the bench. This mode needs some more of 2k's myplayer logic IMO.
Yeah i noticed that as well. Does the cpu even use one second to shoot in Live? It's crazy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan HAMsen
Shooting continues to frustrate me in this game. Versus Portland tonight I shot 31% from the field and 1/4 from the line. I'm not sure if it's timing or my players low ratings but whatever it is I have not improved much. Considering I am playing on rookie it is pretty embarrassing.
You and me both! I have found that I have an easier time driving in for the layup while tapping or pressing the triangle button. Makes it a whole lot easier than just straight up dribbling and going for that jump shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Is anyone having any problems actually getting the game to install? Once I finally got the game downloaded and started it up, all I have available is the tipoff mode. The bar at the bottom said installing and was only halfway done, but was not moving at all. I played half the tipoff game before I got frustrated with not being able to change any options whatsoever. Everytime I start the game up install progress has increased from the previous time, but does not increase while the game is actually on. Today I started the game and the bar was at the stripes on Kyrie Irving's right shoulder. I left the game on sitting at the main menu for almost an hour, come back and it's in the exact same spot -_-. I close the application then restart it hoping for a progress jump, but nope same spot.