So DENVER is now the lead candidate for Manning??? Not gonna lie; I NEVER expected to see that. I wonder how the fans will respond if they trade Tebow to say Jacksonville? If Manning struggles would the Denver faithful boo him?
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So DENVER is now the lead candidate for Manning??? Not gonna lie; I NEVER expected to see that. I wonder how the fans will respond if they trade Tebow to say Jacksonville? If Manning struggles would the Denver faithful boo him?
Based on the guys that Manning has talked to so far, Munchak, Philbin, etc. You think he would listen to them over John Elway? Another side note, Manning was REALLY impressed with Eric Decker prior to when he was drafted. It makes sense to go to Denver, draft a future QB in a year or two, or get a good backup for insurance on Manning's helath. He'll have Decker, Wayne will probably follow Payton as Denver can afford both, Eddie Royal, so there are some targets on the team.
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Originally Posted by jaymo76
But honestly, Peyton would be really screwed if he struggles. Denver's fan poll currently has Tebow ahead, 60-40 last I saw. So if the totally unscientific fan poll prefers Teblow + Peyton struggles? Ouch. That never works out well.
all owners say that stuff..owners try and get players that will sell tickets,it doesnt mean they are in it for a championship.They just want a draw card and asses in the seatsQuote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Yeah but Eric Decker is not Brandon Marshall or Kenny Britt. You add Wayne and Peyton to those teams and it's going to be nasty. Marshall might be a head case but he goes out every week and performs, and has done so usually without a QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
To my knowledge, the Titans have no problems drawing fans. You answer, I believe, is too simplistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
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True, but he doesn't have to be. Get a receiving corps of Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas, Eddie Royal, Wayne (if he were to follow Manning from Indy), that's already turning into a nice little group.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
True, it's not a bad group but the others would be better. IMO, if I were Peyton and the money was about the same, I'd go to the Titans. Great RB, good defense, you play the Colts twice and you know they are going to suck, and you have always handled the other two teams in the division. The Dolphins you have to play the Pats and Jets twice and in Denver you get in to those bitter slobber-knocker rival games with the Chiefs and Raiders.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
JayGlazer: Scoopage: Take 1 name off the list of free agents set to hit the market today. Saints have just agreed to new 5 yr deal w WR Marques Colston
Here's one reason the Broncos have a good chance. They can throw plenty of money at him.
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Teams with most salary-cap space are Bucs ($44 million under), Bengals ($41 million), Broncos ($38M)
Brandon Marshall was just traded to the Bears for 2 3rd round picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
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That's interesting. Hooking him and Cutler back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
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most NFL teams have no trouble drawing fans, that isnt the point.
Sometimes a simple answer is all you need..and its true. Owners are money oriented, just because you already make alot doesnt mean you dont hope to up the profit with a another draw card..you just keep telling the fans "we are working towards a championship because thars what they want to hear..the Titans have proven you cant take them that seriously.
Only the Packers, Steelers, and even though its been a while, the Cowboys have proven that its their ultimate goal and not just what you say when asked about it.
no, I believe he wont be a Titan when its over.
Pierre Garcon to the Redskins.... see Mors, it's not all bad
Uggh... God damn it...
So you are saying that most of the owners in the NFL are not looking to win a championship? So if they went 1-15 but made a shit load of money they would be happy?Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
The Cowboys??
They last won in 1995.
If having a meddling owner who thinks he is a draft guru and undermines his own coaching staff in the media is what it takes, you're right they do.
If the Vikings weren't retarded, and didn't give Dallas 50 draft picks for Herschel Walker, Dallas' last championship would be 1977. But, the Vikings were that dumb so people still view Dallas as something they are not.
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The 49ers and the Bills sure as hell would. They are two of the biggest tightwads in a league full of tightwads and sore losers.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
The fact that the Cowboys and the Redskins (the two franchises that make this fuckin' piece of shit league work) are getting punished for something that wasn't illegal at all (no written rules telling them not to do it because it would be considered colluding if they did and the NFLPA would have been all over the NFL's ass in about two milliseconds) and the other owners pushed for it happen and the NFLPA was ok with passing it just burns me up to no end. Good idea league. Piss off the two franchises that, combined, make more money for the league than the other 30 franchises combined.
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The Cowboys and Redskins were warned.
Do you have data to back up the claim that those 2 make more money for the league than the other 30 franchises combined? I'd be interested in seeing that.
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Verbally warned by the same backroom handshake, wink wink, nudge nudge shit that every other team was.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
It's plain and simple, the league colluded with one another to not use the uncapped year to wash away bad contracts because a good 20 of the 32 owners are barely staying afloat and therefore don't have the cash laying around to do what the Skins and Cowboys did (along with the Bears, mind you, who aren't being punished for doing the exact same thing).
So, because the Cowboys and Skins are able to make more money than any of the other franchises, and therefore have the ability to do what they did, unlike teams that are poorly managed, they are getting punished for it.
The Redskins and the Cowboys are getting punished for not participating in colluding.
As for whether or not they make more money for the league than the other 30 teams combined, I don't have any hard evidence, but there's a pretty damn good chance that it's real considering that the Redskins and Cowboys are in the top 5 in sports franchises worth the most money in the world (last I saw, Redskins were 3rd and Cowboys were 1st). When you have franchises worth billions of dollars, one has to think quite a bit of that money is going toward the league since the whole cap room thing is based on how much money the league is projected to make, as a whole next year and when the Cowboys and Redskins are making several $100 million dollars a year, you'd have to think it's pretty likely that those two combined are at least half of the league total.
You're not far off in how valuable the Cowboys and Redskins are. However, ALL 32 franchises are in the list of 50 most valuable in the world and several are in the to 10 to 15, close to Washington and Dallas.
To say those 2 teams make more than the other 30 (backed down to "half") is ridiculous though.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-sports-teams/
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Originally Posted by steelerfan
your opinion of how theyve done recently has nothing to do with it..just because you want to get to the top doesnt mean you will either..but in the Super Bowl era that you are so centric about, Dallas has proven thats very important to them, just like Pitt and GB..sure, alot of owners migh like to get to the top but they dont try as hard as those 3 teams.. you guys should know by now, sports franchises are tax write off toys for owners..as long as they can make a profit,thats all they care about..if they happen to beat the odds once in a while, of course they dont mind riding that wave..
any more Manning news?
should be the national Manning League...brother wins SB, other brother gets national attention shopping for teams.....every time Archie turns on the tv, his sons are there.....amazing
Reggie Wayne is staying with the Colts. He signed a 3-year deal.
There goes the automatic assumption that he'd follow Manning.
Maybe he knows Manning is still hurt and won't make opening day. :dunno:
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Peyton Manning to whoever is interesting to me, but the one I'm really keeping an eye on is Matt Flynn. For this reason more than any other, you would think, after the performance he had last year, that Miami (now coached by his former OC) would be very interested in his services. But it doesn't appear to be the case. Makes me wonder if they know something the league doesn't.
The other part of that which interests me is whether or not Miami (due to OC Mike Sherman) is going after Ryan Tannehill.
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Originally Posted by steelerfan
Wayne was a shocker. I did figure he'd follow Manning, or just go somewhere else. Didn't expect to re-sign with the Colts. And WOW I think the Redskins overpaid for Garcon, but that isn't much of a surprise, but just days after you find out you're going to get jacked for a ton of cap room, spending $21M+ guaranteed on RGIII to Garcon for 10-12 TD's is quite a gamble.
Garcon is probably an overpay if you put it into the perspective of "he's Pierre Garcon". Though he did have a very impressive year last year, considering his complete lack of a competent QB.
Though, if you consider him the #2 available receiver today (with Colston signing and behind Jackson), that's probably not an overpay. $21 million guaranteed is insane to me no matter who it is, though.
These numbers come out, then later the details are leaked and you find that the "guaranteed" money is not as high as originally reported (though it's not widely reported and you have to seek out that info).
Often, the initial reports of guaranteed money include future roster bonuses and the like. That sort of money is not really guaranteed at all.
That said, the Redskins and overpaying go together like shit and stink.
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It's actually "only" $13.1 million guaranteed, but, I agree, it's WAY too much money for a receiver that didn't do shit with Peyton Manning throwing him the ball and when he did do shit, he did it because his terrible QBs were throwing him the ball SIGNIFICANTLY more than any other receiver on the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
It's a bad signing in my opinion, but his contract, like all the ones we've signed so far, have a 2 year out clause that makes it easy to cut them with little repercussions.
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Originally Posted by morsdraconis
he's a pro, he caught balls thrown to him, that does not equal that he sucks LOL
Here's a blog post that explains precisely what I was talking about with "guaranteed" money. It breaks down a couple of the latest WR contacts in Jackson and Garcon.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/03...tract-numbers/
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Here's the actual breakdown of his contract, minus a few unknowns at the moment:Quote:
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Reported - signed to a 5 year, $43.5m deal with $20.5m in guarantees.
REAL guaranteed money = $13.1m
$11m SB
$2.1m base salary in 2012 guaranteed
65% of the contract value ($27.6m) is in the first 3 years.
His 2013 base salary of $5.6m is guaranteed IF he is on the roster on the third day of the 2013 league year
Cap Hits:
2012 - $4.300m
2013 - $8.800m
2014 - $10.100m (approx)
2015 - $9.700m (approx)
2016 - $9.700m (approx)
Still a couple more details to come on this to finish it but the essential infor we have already.
It's definitely not AS bad as originally stated, but I definitely don't care for how much he could possibly make if they feel he's worth it past the first year (since his contract isn't guaranteed at all until the 3rd day of the 2013 season).
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Official statement from Redskins front office
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“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets. Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office. We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”
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from another site I was at
And that site is? "From another site I was at" doesn't tell me if it's a believable source or not.
It's most definitely a believable source. If they received written requests not to do what they did, the NFLPA would be able to sue the NFL into the stone age for colluding with one another to lower the amount of money spent on players.
The NFL held the NFLPA hostage. They said, we either penalize these two teams this amount of money, or we don't raise the cap at all and therefore less money could theoretically be spent on players (even though that idea is COMPLETE bullshit because you have teams like San Francisco, Tennessee, and Buffalo that barely reach the cap floor, much less spend their allowed cap money - funny thing is, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers actually spent less than they were allowed to last year so that they could carry some of their cap savings over to this year to spend ridiculous amounts of it; which, btw, is against the CBA, but, do they get punished for it? Nope).
But isn't this "penalty" resulting in MORE money to the players, not less?
My understanding was that every team not named Washington or Dallas was simply getting $1.6 M of additional cap space to use, as they see fit, over the next 2 years while the penalized teams get no benefit or real penalty. Am I missing something?
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The money they got was the "fined" money from Washington and Dallas split between the 30 other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
The NFL wasn't going to increase the cap unless Washington and Dallas were fined, thus, they conned the NFLPA to sign off on them doing what they did saying some shit about competitive balance or some bullshit. Like the competitive balance Tampa Bay, San Francisco, Jacksonville, and several other teams "enjoy" by BARELY spending over the cap floor so that their greedy fuckin' owners can pocket the rest of the money? :smh:
So does Washington have to stay $18 M under the cap for the next 2 years too? And Dallas $5 M under?Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
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It's just money added to their cap expenditures.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Dallas has pussied out of the fight against the NFL, but, all signs point to Daniel Snyder bringing in ridiculously high priced lawyers to lay the smackdown if the CBA route with some special judicial system doesn't work in our favor.
The source was Bruce Allen, Redskins GM. Gotta love quoting without sourcing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
The most damning thing about Garcon, whether he was the #2 available receiver or not, is that he's below the league average catch rate every season so far. That doesn't bode well with a rookie QB.
Assuming the reports of the $36M/$10M were true, then the Redskins and Cowboys were given the option of spreading the fine over this year and the next, however they wish. They could have ate the whole $36M in year one, or waited to eat it in year two. Or spread it as they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
According to ESPN's legal guy, the CBA doesn't give the Skins (or Cowboys) many outs on this one. So it might have to be an anti-trust suit rather than a CBA-related ruling. I don't see (even) Snyder doing that unless he's incredibly confident.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis