NCAA Football 12 Update from EA SPORTS

For the record, I am not angry at Dewiel the messenger, I get that he doesn't know anything that he is not told. However, his announcement to me in my analogy of my car that is stuck in the shop that does NOT work sounds like the shop calling me to let me know that they have ordered me NEW WINDSHIELD WIPERS and that they should be put on in a couple of weeks! Saaaweeeet, I am getting new windshield wipers for my car a couple of weeks out but the darn thing still doesn't even start up.... awesomeness! Yes, that is why I am frustrated and feel like I am being cheated as this product is defective and the list of things that it says you can do with it is FALSE. If they did not claim that I could play a dynasty with this game I would not even think about buying it. That is the only reason I purchase this product and put myself through EA hell every year.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

I asked for an UPDATE on the TRANSFER FAILED issue that is keeping me from playing ANY DYNASTY. Its 2.5 months past release, I have zero desire to PLAY NOW myself to death any longer. I want an update on the issue that has BROKEN the game beyond play-ability. The no huddle issue is bad, I will agree, but I can still play the game. Patch #2 broke the game and it wont even allow me to start a NEW DYNASTY without the same error. I want an update on THAT which I do not think is asking too much. I personally view it the same as if I took my car into a shop while it was still working and then the shop broke my car, I would want DAILY updates on the issue. Fact is my game worked pre-patch #2 (the death patch) but we are not given a choice to skip it if we play in an OD.

How bad is the freaking code that 2.5 months after the game went "gold" that no one can fix the online dynasty problem? OD's are NOT NEW otherwise I would be a lot more understanding. In my opinion, EA has done so much to attempt to keep the kiddies from cheating in their ODs that they have over complicated the situation and BROKE the freaking thing. How about caring LESS about the cheaters (because they will find a way to cheat regardless and we can always not play with randoms) and cater more to the legit adults that buy the product.

I mean seriously, 2.5 months past release and I can't even play in a dynasty and asking for an update on THAT DAILY is asking too much? Give me a break!

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So what, you want them to come on here every single day and say "sorry, nothing yet", or do you want them to work on it and when they actually have something tangible to report, they come on here and say so? Once again, patience. It is a fuckton more complicated than you might think. It's not something that they can simply look at something, go "aha!" and have it fixed the next day. With all the ungodly number of variables as they have to deal with to figure out the exact issue and where and how to fix it (custom conferences, conference rules, custom rosters, dynasty settings, changes (if any) to the BCS bowls, custom playbooks, etc), it's not something simple. If they don't have something to report, then there's no point at all on coming on here day after day and saying "nothing today", regardless of whether you want it or not.

Justin, the community appreciates the updates you have been sharing and hope that you continue doing so. :up:

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

So what, you want them to come on here every single day and say "sorry, nothing yet", or do you want them to work on it and when they actually have something tangible to report, they come on here and say so? Once again, patience. It is a fuckton more complicated than you might think. It's not something that they can simply look at something, go "aha!" and have it fixed the next day. With all the ungodly number of variables as they have to deal with to figure out the exact issue and where and how to fix it (custom conferences, conference rules, custom rosters, dynasty settings, changes (if any) to the BCS bowls, custom playbooks, etc), it's not something simple. If they don't have something to report, then there's no point at all on coming on here day after day and saying "nothing today", regardless of whether you want it or not.

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Well I disagree completely. It should not take them longer to come on here and give a status update then it takes us to come on here and post something. Plus, if they are working on it 24/7 I would think a 2 minute break to post would be appreciated.

I do a bit of programming myself and its NOT as hard as you think to trap these bugs when you can run the program line by line and see where it gets stuck. Sure, its hard from the .exe or executable side but when you run the program inside the code line by line you can see what is going on. YES, I want DAILY updates until the game is fixed OR they admit that they are no longer working on the fix.

Posting about it, every single day, in multiple threads, will not make things happen faster.

So is my posting/venting about it here causing a problem? Am I somehow DELAYING the fix? What's the problem? This is a forum about a game that is BROKEN at my house and all I can do is log onto it and read TRANSFER FAILED every time.... am I not allowed to come here and share my thoughts/feelings about it? That is ALL I GET whether it be my old/new whatever dynasty. I thought this forum was about the game? If I had anything else to report or care about I would post it however all I got is TRANSFER FAILED error.

Are the TRANSFER FAILED recipients not welcome here? LOL

Honestly keyser, since you're unable to even create an OD, I'd almost recommend calling their customer support and reporting the issue. I've not heard anyone else reporting that same issue at all (though I haven't gone looking for it) but since that's not necessarily the same issue as the other Transfer Failed issues, I'd report it directly if I were you. Not sure that anything will come of it but perhaps it can be handled directly. Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

For the record, I am not angry at Dewiel the messenger, I get that he doesn't know anything that he is not told. However, his announcement to me in my analogy of my car that is stuck in the shop that does NOT work sounds like the shop calling me to let me know that they have ordered me NEW WINDSHIELD WIPERS and that they should be put on in a couple of weeks! Saaaweeeet, I am getting new windshield wipers for my car a couple of weeks out but the darn thing still doesn't even start up.... awesomeness! Yes, that is why I am frustrated and feel like I am being cheated as this product is defective and the list of things that it says you can do with it is FALSE. If they did not claim that I could play a dynasty with this game I would not even think about buying it. That is the only reason I purchase this product and put myself through EA hell every year.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

So what, you want them to come on here every single day and say "sorry, nothing yet", or do you want them to work on it and when they actually have something tangible to report, they come on here and say so? Once again, patience. It is a fuckton more complicated than you might think. It's not something that they can simply look at something, go "aha!" and have it fixed the next day. With all the ungodly number of variables as they have to deal with to figure out the exact issue and where and how to fix it (custom conferences, conference rules, custom rosters, dynasty settings, changes (if any) to the BCS bowls, custom playbooks, etc), it's not something simple. If they don't have something to report, then there's no point at all on coming on here day after day and saying "nothing today", regardless of whether you want it or not.

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Not sure why your coming to that conclusion keyser. Who said any of that?

All that is said is that Justin is relaying information from EA to us as he gets it. He has been keeping the community up to speed and keeping us as informed which is very welcomed.

The thing that doesn't make sense is you asked for an update. Justin said that the team was still working on the transfer problem and he will keep us up to date. You then asked for more information, what more do you want. He just gave you an update. Asking twice isn't going to change the answer. They are continuing to work on the problem and Justin will post information as he gets it to share with our community.

Pig come on man, who is hiding from the problems? I know your trying to be cute, but your not adding anything to this thread.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

So is my posting/venting about it here causing a problem? Am I somehow DELAYING the fix? What's the problem? This is a forum about a game that is BROKEN at my house and all I can do is log onto it and read TRANSFER FAILED every time.... am I not allowed to come here and share my thoughts/feelings about it? That is ALL I GET whether it be my old/new whatever dynasty. I thought this forum was about the game? If I had anything else to report or care about I would post it however all I got is TRANSFER FAILED error.

Are the TRANSFER FAILED recipients not welcome here? LOL

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You're allowed to share your feelings, but it gets old when you say the same thing every single day.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Pig come on man, who is hiding from the problems? I know your trying to be cute, but your not adding anything to this thread.

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ya im being funny.... but the "hide" part just goes to say the game has been broken and what did it take EA, like a week and a half or two weeks [or more - i lost track] to say one word about it??
as a business owner i'm miffed by the way they handle things sometimes...my customers would freakin hang me if i treated them like this... there have been some major MAJOR f-ups this year and the top dog should have come out and said something right away officially...not send some community leader guy to peak his head out.. [no offense Justin]

i remain hopeful that custom conferences, custom playbooks, no huddle etc etc will all work as billed here shortly
however, FIFA sure does make NCAA look bad

Ok, it's now 10:30 EST and EA has NOT held a press conference to give me an update on the TRANSFER FAILED issue that won't let me play my OD. :(

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This if for FIFA 12. They have a new way to play defense. However they offer you the ability to switch it back to the way it has been in the past, so they give you the option to play the new way and the old way.

Why can't NCAA give us the option to play like NCAA 11? Why can't they give us the option to remove the CPB. Why can't we play the game the way it was when it shipped? Why are you forced to use the updates if you want to play online?

If all I want to do is play online and not use no-huddle or CPB, why do I have to use the updates? Shouldn't it be pretty much like NCAA 11?

Well the forcing to use the updates to play online answer is simple.

How in the world would a game run when someone is using v. 1.0 and someone is using v. 1.2?

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Originally Posted by gschwendt

Honestly keyser, since you're unable to even create an OD, I'd almost recommend calling their customer support and reporting the issue. I've not heard anyone else reporting that same issue at all (though I haven't gone looking for it) but since that's not necessarily the same issue as the other Transfer Failed issues, I'd report it directly if I were you. Not sure that anything will come of it but perhaps it can be handled directly. Just my two cents.

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I sent them an e-mail a while back when it was suggested to me on this forum to do so. I sent it to the address given by Dewiel. I have heard zero back.

Are you telling me there is a number that I can call and tell this to a human being who will care and give me an answer other than: "Yes sir we are aware of the issue and are working on it"

What exactly are my options here? For the first 2 weeks I did NOT post much of anything about it but simply logged on every other day, loaded up the OD to see if it was fixed receiving the ERROR message. I then went hunting on this site and OS to look for possible solutions and tried out every possible thing I found on either site. I even tried the solution that was brought to gschwendt in a dream but it didn't work. I have put several hours in attempting to find work arounds to simply get the OD to work even if it meant blowing up a recruiting class or allowing all my underclassmen to leave early.

All attempts have come up empty, I had pretty much waved the flag at my current OD so I went ahead and started a new one to "hold us over" until they fixed this one only to get the same TRANSFER FAILED error in week 1! This is the only game that I play on my xbox. This game is the sole reason that I have a GOLD account to play with my buddy who lives half way across the country. If not for this game I don't spend $60 on a gold membership.

Its not as much about money with me as it is about customer service at this point. I am a paying customer who took them at their word when they say that these features in the game WORK if you go and buy a gold account, pay for the online code or whatever that EA supplies separate to play in an OD. If EA takes out the OD portion of the game I assure you I quit buying as playing PLAY NOW games or even online against other people is not for me.

If there was ANYTHING else for me to discuss at this point I would. If you go back and look at what I use to post about BEFORE my game broke you will see I was very positive and talked about my OD quite a bit. I enjoyed the game before the second patch and was having fun with it. It is the best of the series with regards to CPU AI difficulty by FAR in the series.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Well the forcing to use the updates to play online answer is simple.

How in the world would a game run when someone is using v. 1.0 and someone is using v. 1.2?

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Had my OD partner and I both been given an option we would have said DON'T UPDATE and given the community a few weeks to beta test the patch for EA mainly because my buddy, not me, was hell bent that EA would break the game. I told him I did not think they would take the time to patch a game that would break it but I was sadly mistaken.

i'm also guessing FIFA has twice the budget of NCAA if not more...in fact I'm positive it's waaaay more!

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Originally Posted by Pig Bomb

i'm also guessing FIFA has twice the budget of NCAA if not more...in fact I'm positive it's waaaay more!

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Oh yeah. Most definitely.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Well the forcing to use the updates to play online answer is simple.

How in the world would a game run when someone is using v. 1.0 and someone is using v. 1.2?

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I don't think you're seeing my point.

I understand different VERSIONS of the game wouldn't be compatible. I'm saying FIFA gives you the options to play it like an older version. If they can implement that into FIFA (and Madden for the matter, with the option to have different play calling screens) then it is possible.

And to say, “i'm also guessing FIFA has twice the budget of NCAA if not more”


Well that’s just annoying. I’m the consumer, I don’t give a crap what their budget is for a certain game, in my eyes they all cost $60.

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

I don't think you're seeing my point.

I understand different VERSIONS of the game wouldn't be compatible. I'm saying FIFA gives you the options to play it like an older version. If they can implement that into FIFA (and Madden for the matter, with the option to have different play calling screens) then it is possible.

And to say, “i'm also guessing FIFA has twice the budget of NCAA if not more”


Well that’s just annoying. I’m the consumer, I don’t give a crap what their budget is for a certain game, in my eyes they all cost $60.

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Twice the budget? LOL, shouldn't the games cost differently then?

Here is a serious question. Why does ANYONE put BETA on a piece of software? What does that mean? If it doesn't have BETA what does that mean? Are there any legal reasons for doing so?

Keyser, that email address is to pass information to the developers, etc., not necessarily a communication portal. I imagine they reply to some but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the emails they receive go unreplied (though not necessarily unread).

As for a customer service number, there is indeed a phone number you can call, not sure where you get it from, it used to be in the manual so I assume it is either on the insert in the box or in the manual inside the game. I don't know that they'll give you much more of an answer than you currently have, but you at least can receive some sort of response. They might be able to upscale it to "technical support" (just like if you were having issues with a cell phone) or they might apologize, and say "they're working on it sir". That said, I'd start with the standpoint that you're unable to create an OD; don't say the words Transfer Failed until they ask you for an error message so that it doesn't get lost in the other issue.

At this point though, Justin nor anyone else is going to provide daily updates... about the best we can expect to receive is similar to what we've gotten so far "it's not fixed but we're still working on it" until they're actually able to fix it. I'm sure once it's fixed or once they have something for us to try, they'll give us some kind of info.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Twice the budget? LOL, shouldn't the games cost differently then?

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No.

It's tied to sales numbers. Just as in any business, the group that makes the $, takes the $.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

No.

It's tied to sales numbers. Just as in any business, the group that makes the $, takes the $.

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Exactly, it's still going to EA. Just because one game sells better than the other doesn't make it right to have the excuse that a different product should be of lesser quality. NCAA may not have all the same features that Madden does but it should work without major bugs.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

No.

It's tied to sales numbers. Just as in any business, the group that makes the $, takes the $.

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In the business I am in if a product costs twice as much to make as another product, it will be sold for more. I am aware however that virtually every video game sells for $60 and they don't all cost the same to make.

I will look into the phone number but typically calling those type of things end up in some seriously frustration let alone lost in translation.

As for the UPDATE, I would appreciate a simple notification if in fact THEY ARE MAKING ANY PROGRESS. I don't think its asking too much to tell us whether they are closer to fixing something then they were last week or yesterday. If they truly are working 24/7 this should not be a big deal as I would assume they are making progress. What is the disadvantage of letting us know on the progress? Does anyone else at their work have to give progress reports like me or does everyone get to tell their customers that "we are working on it" and not a peep more until the job is done? If I did that we would be OUT of business by now.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

No.

It's tied to sales numbers. Just as in any business, the group that makes the $, takes the $.

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That's why CoD gets 6 or 8 patches.

I think the 24/7 was more of a figure of speech kinda deal. I always tell our clients I am working on it and I don't call back until I am finished unless it is taking 2-3 weeks. Lol.

I can understand the more budget = more rescources put into the game. I can also understand that in the end it may = a higher price tag.

The thing I can't and refuse to agree with is, less budget = incomplete product.

I am in the plumbing world. It always bothered the living heck out of me when our boss would say something like, 'ok guys this is a million dollar + house so let's make sure we do a good job on this one."

That annoys the hell outta me. Shouldn't the customer that is working hard for their $100,000 house get the same service the $1,000,000.00 house gets? You charge both the same per hour rate, so why should one customer get something better?

In my brain they should NOT, they should get what they pay for.

In the plumbing world, you offer a service (you work is your product) it should be the same no matter how rich the customer is.

I would HOPE it's the same in the video game world. EA's name is on these products, so it SHOULD matter.

If all EA games for the most part are $60, then they should all hopefully turn out the same complete product.

Thanks for listening.

Well, Gus, think of it this way.

If my budget allows me to employ 10 plumbers, and your budget allows you to employ 2, which company is most likely to accomplish the most in a calendar year? Yours, or mine?

I'm not saying this is exactly how it is, I'm totally unfamiliar with FIFA's team, I'm just giving you an explanation (in your terms) of why budgets are meaningful.

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Originally Posted by oweb26

I think the 24/7 was more of a figure of speech kinda deal. I always tell our clients I am working on it and I don't call back until I am finished unless it is taking 2-3 weeks. Lol.

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In our industry we actually do sell some software to carry out our tasks. If we sold software to a customer who had ALREADY PAID FOR IT (typically this is not the case and a customer does not pay in full until AFTER he agrees that you gave him what you said you would give him) but if he did pre-pay and then it didn't work, there is ZERO percent chance he/she would be cool with the response of "we are working on it don't call back until I am finished." Pretty sure we would be contacted by a lawyer, and 100% certain our reputation would be finished. Being that we don't have a monopoly on our product/service we have to care about our reputation as it is tied to sales.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Well, Gus, think of it this way.

If my budget allows me to employ 10 plumbers, and your budget allows you to employ 2, which company is most likely to accomplish the most in a calendar year? Yours, or mine?

I'm not saying this is exactly how it is, I'm totally unfamiliar with FIFA's team, I'm just giving you an explanation (in your terms) of why budgets are meaningful.

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Ok, I see your point.

I guess my point is not seen. All I'm trying to say is, whether you have 2 plumbers or 10, whether you have 50 people working on the game or 5, it seems like you should not turn out a broken product.

..."the I'm sorry ma'am your water heater is broken b/c we only have 2 employees" (by the way, that will be $200).... just doesn't cut it in my book.

My point is, how in the world can they turn something out that isn't tested, or if it is, why are there such big problems?

I shouldn't have made the comparison. I should just keep my mouth shut and hope for a new patch to come along.

It would be nice if the game worked when it came out in July. It would be nice if they didn’t have to patch it, it would also be nice if we could play it patch-free during the real NCAA season.

Oh well, I guess I’m just annoyed that it’s not working properly.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

In our industry we actually do sell some software to carry out our tasks. If we sold software to a customer who had ALREADY PAID FOR IT (typically this is not the case and a customer does not pay in full until AFTER he agrees that you gave him what you said you would give him) but if he did pre-pay and then it didn't work, there is ZERO percent chance he/she would be cool with the response of "we are working on it don't call back until I am finished." Pretty sure we would be contacted by a lawyer, and 100% certain our reputation would be finished. Being that we don't have a monopoly on our product/service we have to care about our reputation as it is tied to sales.

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You are exactly right in my book. WE agreed to pay for the game. We were under the impression it was complete when we paid for it in July.

In the end, EA is not out any money. Who cares if we don't buy their products in the future? They got our money for this one and if they fix it or not, they still got our money for this one.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Twice the budget? LOL, shouldn't the games cost differently then?

Here is a serious question. Why does ANYONE put BETA on a piece of software? What does that mean? If it doesn't have BETA what does that mean? Are there any legal reasons for doing so?

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I've always thought that BETA meant test version. It seems like the beta version usually isn't complete and it's "usually free". If it's not free then the later compelted Full version should cost more, b/c I would assume you are getting more than the "not completed, still in test mode, beta version"....but I'm starting to wonder...LOL

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

Ok, I see your point.

I guess my point is not seen. All I'm trying to say is, whether you have 2 plumbers or 10, whether you have 50 people working on the game or 5, it seems like you should not turn out a broken product.

..."the I'm sorry ma'am your water heater is broken b/c we only have 2 employees" (by the way, that will be $200).... just doesn't cut it in my book.

My point is, how in the world can they turn something out that isn't tested, or if it is, why are there such big problems?

I shouldn't have made the comparison. I should just keep my mouth shut and hope for a new patch to come along.

It would be nice if the game worked when it came out in July. It would be nice if they didn’t have to patch it, it would also be nice if we could play it patch-free during the real NCAA season.

Oh well, I guess I’m just annoyed that it’s not working properly.

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Imagine your company have exclusive rights to do all the plumbing in your town.... now you have the power. Its like my cable company who is the ONLY show in town. My choices in cable are either them or satellite but I have zero other choices in cable companies so when my service is down quite often, I don't have the leverage of calling up a different cable provider if in fact I prefer cable to satellite. Its about the closest thing I have to NCAA game... I like the college football game more then I like other sports games that work better.

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

I've always thought that BETA meant test version. It seems like the beta version usually isn't complete and it's "usually free". If it's not free then the later compelted Full version should cost more, b/c I would assume you are getting more than the "not completed, still in test mode, beta version"....but I'm starting to wonder...LOL

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Hmmm, never thought of the beta version being free. I am pretty sure I have had to pay for beta versions in the past. I will look this up. As for thinking beta means incomplete, if that was the case I would think EA would have to call their game on release day "beta" since everyone knows a patch will always comes out shortly after because it is never finished.

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

Ok, I see your point.

I guess my point is not seen. All I'm trying to say is, whether you have 2 plumbers or 10, whether you have 50 people working on the game or 5, it seems like you should not turn out a broken product.

Oh well, I guess I’m just annoyed that it’s not working properly.

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No i definitely see your point.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Hmmm, never thought of the beta version being free. I am pretty sure I have had to pay for beta versions in the past. I will look this up. As for thinking beta means incomplete, if that was the case I would think EA would have to call their game on release day "beta" since everyone knows a patch will always comes out shortly after because it is never finished.

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Well I don't know, I've played EA games for a while now since the 90s. I would say the free demo version that comes out for download a few weeks prior to the full game release date as being similar to a beta. It said it has most of the features but not all.

It just dissappointing that this one has had so much trouble.

I've played other games in the past, and have always turned to EA for sports game. I think I started in jr. high with the NHL series on Sega. EA has always been good, I guess it takes a few bad apples to upset the apple-cart.

I also think this online download/patch thing is a double edged sword. In the past, prior to this option, prior to online games, if the game sucked and was broken I would trade it in. Now with the option/hope that it will be fixed or repaired I keep it and keep playing it, hoping that a "fix" will come out. Even though realisitically EA, I would think, is working more on NCAA 13 than they are this one.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Hmmm, never thought of the beta version being free. I am pretty sure I have had to pay for beta versions in the past. I will look this up. As for thinking beta means incomplete, if that was the case I would think EA would have to call their game on release day "beta" since everyone knows a patch will always comes out shortly after because it is never finished.

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Every game comes out with a patch at some point, regardless of who makes it. Should every game be called "beta" on it's release day?

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

Every game comes out with a patch at some point, regardless of who makes it. Should every game be called "beta" on it's release day?

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If they know that the game you are buying out of the box does not work properly, yes. Just imagine if you did NOT have internet or the ability to get the "patch". LOL, I do get the irony in my statement since you would be BETTER off in this case had you not been able to download the patch of death. I get your point though. I don't play many games and back when I did play more games patches were NOT common. Now there were "expansions" that you could purchase but not patches. I don't play much any more outside of NCAA so I wouldn't know. Guess I am old school.

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Originally Posted by keyser soze

Imagine your company have exclusive rights to do all the plumbing in your town.... now you have the power. Its like my cable company who is the ONLY show in town. My choices in cable are either them or satellite but I have zero other choices in cable companies so when my service is down quite often, I don't have the leverage of calling up a different cable provider if in fact I prefer cable to satellite. Its about the closest thing I have to NCAA game... I like the college football game more then I like other sports games that work better.

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I guess this is just the nature of the beast we call capitalism.

When I graduated college we had 3 choices for cable where I live, the cable company which like you're saying had a monopoly, they sucked, they were VERY expensive and if your trash stopped working they would take days to come out to fix, horrible customer service. PLUS they raised their rates all the time without warning.

The 2 sat companies that were in our area were decent, but they didn't work when it rained, which prior to 2011 is usually a lot here.

So the options where, pay for something that worked, sometimes, when you had problems it would be like wheel of fortune when they would show up (please be home from 8-5pm....um ok....) and they would raise their rates all the time. OR you could go with sat that didn't work when it rained, which was a lot.

Then all of sudden the powers that be, the DEMAN powers of the supply/deman module said ENOUGH and 51% of the people F YOU cable company and magically after a while they went out of business. Well that left us with sat, but it also opened up our market and MAGICALLY a new company came in, here comes the magic SUPPLY part of the fun...well it works!

The prices have been the same for 3 years. They have excellent customer service. I'm sure given time it will all come back around but it's just annoying that is has to be this way. I guess it's b/c it's like the video game world, since the machines (xbox, ps3, are always getting better) or a newer faster, better version is on it's way then this brings in an entire headache of outside factors...and in the end, everyone wants more money for their "better" product. Like the cable company that also provides us with high speed internet, I'm sure it will go up in cost sooner or later, they keep improving it and then will say, "well we have to cover those costs."

I guess the morale of the story is, I understand cable or inter companies are going to change/upgrade...I understand that nature of the beast. However, when I buy a game that is on a disk and realistically should be complete when I buy it at the store and there REALLY won't be huge changes/patches done to it anyways since next years version is coming out in less than 12 months....I don't see why the one I buy can't be more complete.