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Same thing when you run it on offense... it only allows you to pick plays from the first formation listed in each set of your playbook (so 4-3 Normal, Nickel Normal, Dime Normal, etc.) If the opponent runs no huddle and you're in Nickel 3-3-5, you can't pick plays from that formation, only the tops of the list of each set.Quote:
Originally Posted by keyser soze
Oh, ok, I can deal with that vs the CPU.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Does anyone have a breakdown of what was fixed and what was broke by the patch. I am trying to decide if I should even bother with downloading the patch.
LOL, gotta love EA. I seriously wonder what the mood is at their studio today or if they even care. My gut still tells me that the few of them that play video football play Madden so they either don't care or are oblivious to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by roccogator
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Originally Posted by Oneback
I'm stunned
LOL did you download it yet ? I havent either, but I obviously have to, to continue anything online.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
they did this more than once last year , right ? I mean, there will be a follow up patch, right? I think at best, the wide receiver blocking and playbooks need to be solved before September ends for sure.
I will tonight when I play my OD game.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
We are almost exactly 2 months past the release date and the 'product' still does not work correctly. I'm trying to think of another product or service I use that this would be acceptable. Can anyone think of one?
Just look at the automobile industry, sometimes they never fix issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by uf83198
The product does actually work correctly. There are some bugs but it still plays as a football game and many many people are still playing and having fun with it.
Our elected politicians?Quote:
Originally Posted by uf83198
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Originally Posted by jbmorden19
I guess one thing that throws me for a loop, and it's probably just a marketing trick...on the ESPNU show, making of NCAA 12 they made a big deal about how they really REALLY listen to the fans. How they go on their internet forums and LISTEN to their audience.
Yet, then you come on here and other sites and listen to people that get the game early, play it, give their pros vs cons...and those people say things like, well all we do is give them feedback it's up to them with how they deal with it....
Yes EA (on the ESPNU show) would have you believe it's REALLY important to them as to what their audience has to say, what they want, and their feedback is important....
....so I guess the morale of the story is, have a coke and smile and shut the F up. They will release their product in whatever state they want, we are the freakshows that fork out money for it, we are the silly ones that think they are listening to this forums.
I'm no software guru, I have no clue how to program a video game, but when they say they listen to their audience it would also be nice if they would in turn, produce a product that isn't fubar. What I mean is, it seems like YEARS we've been asking for a custom playbook. Then they finally after YEARS of asking in forums say, well we are going to unvail it, CUSTOM PLAYBOOKS....yet now it looks like if I play an OD using a Custom playbook, that can cause issues, if I create a PB it sometimes does and does not have formations. I'm just wondering why they listened about wanting CPB but turn out a product that doesn't really work. It seems to cause more problems than it's worth. If CPB are the root of all the issues, can't they release a patch that turns that feature off? I know it would be like going back to NCAA 11, but alteast it wouldn't be messing things up.
I'm sure it's not that simple, there is nothing simple in programming I'm sure of that...just wondering...if they been really listening to these forums for years and really HEAR that we want a Custom Playbook, then all of a sudden they throw it in with out really testing it? Didn't they start working on this version about this time last year? Or was custom playbooks throw in 2 days prior to packaging it up?
This excuse of, flaws don't pop out until the product hits mainstream is crazy. I could understand if is was something simple like shoe colors are off, or something simple, but online games freezing as soon as you flip the coin toss, plays missing from formations, ODs still not advancing properly, no-huddle fubaring things high heaven....those things CAN and should be tested.
You mean this patch was "said" to be release sometime in Aug, I think Aug 2 is when they said, they hope it will come out soon....did they not test it from Aug 2 until Sept 8th? I find that hard to believe.
I'm really amazed at how they can get away with this...it seems like it comes down to a better business issue, they are releasing a product that isn't complete, then they release a patch that makes it worse, all the while still selling it at $60/copy they are making money on a broken product. There is no disclaimer that it isn't working when you buy it, you assume it will work and I guess that is your loss for assuming that a $60 video game will work as advertised.
Maybe it should be more like this, "hello sir I'd like to buy a game, ok what are you looking for....I'm looking for a good football game, well here you go....is that good? SURE....does it work? Maybe....that will be $60+ tax....good luck LOL!
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Originally Posted by jbmorden19
yet and still, WR blocking and playbooks better be fixed ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
Also, banning rhombic was a total vagina move.
No it doesn't work correctly and it doesnt play as a football game when someone can go no huddle and you cant call plays from your playbook, or your DB's watch speed option go right past them, or your dynasty won't advance past bowl games, or the game freezes at the coin flip screen, etc. Would you continue to buy the same cell phone if only 'some' of the features worked? Can you give me 1 thing that the patch made better?Quote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
I get the impression, from watching some of their demo games where they actually play, that they are fans of NCAA football. They like watching college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by keyser soze
But that they don't KNOW football. Maybe Anthony White who is the play creation director guy. When you got guys like Oneback, rhombic, and even just regular fans on this site alone that can discuss offense philosophy and intent, zone defense assignments and read adjustments, run block assignments, etc...............in detail no less........and that stuff which is mostly fundamentals, not NFL veteran tips or complicated reads, is NOT in the game.........well, to me that shows that EA hasn't invested in football being football. They've invested in a game that mimics what a casual viewer sees on TV but doesn't really understand all that is going on and why. Hell, the ability to align to your defense to the strength of the offense has NEVER been in the series.....all you can do is flip the formation which doesn't align players you want them........WILL and SAM backers are different types of players for example in most defenses, but the game merely treats them as right and left OLB and just flips the play, not the players.
I've wondered for years why they haven't just brought in some offensive and defensive coaches to teach them how the assignments works and how that read progression should go if the first assignment isn't there, like what Oneback covered earlier in the thread. Hey, FB....there is no LB to crush? Go to the next level, instead of doubling back right into my RB to go chase someone that is not a threat to the fucking play.
Um no, he got away with it last time he attacked the site. It was completely justified. Guessing he went to a dying vine to cry about it right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by MtneerManiac
So was him insulting the staff here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MtneerManiac
He had a point about EA sucking it up, but it wasn't fair to blame the guys here for EA's foul-ups. If the staff here was the ones messing up the programming, not putting in the right features, then he'd have a point. They are just internet forum owners, and if you guys think they have any more power than you or I, you are thinking too much of them. No offense to them, as they fronted for the site and run it and put in a lot of work on it. The perks that they do get is nice, but it doesn't mean that everything they say or communicate gets through EA's marketing dollar-driven business skull.
Yes!! THIS!! It would only take 1 or 2 former or current coaches to fix alot of A1 issues that some of the developers don't fully understandQuote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
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Originally Posted by AustinWolv
http://www.websitelooker.com/search....ngtailgate.comQuote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
http://www.websitelooker.com/search....strategies.com
I guess the meals at Golden Corral and the free stays and Days Inn must give you all the edge in this contest. :D
Doesn't even need to be big name guys. Just grab local high school or small college coaches for a small fee for each one. And each one should be selected based on what he knows, i.e. find a guy that runs a WCO attack, a gun that runs an option attack, a guy that runs a pass-based spread, a guy that runs spread option, a guy that runs 4-3 Cover2, a guy that runs 335, and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by uf83198
Should be very cheap to do so on a one-time consultant thing for a day to get the high-level basics and then you bring those guys back in now and then with small fees to iron out the small stuff.
Hell, high school coaches go to coaching clinics put on by the big-name coaches every damn summer and learn this stuff, so why couldn't EA pay to do the same?
WTF does that shit have anything to do with a valid discussion? You obviously don't see the point that anyone is making. Rhombic could have easily stated his arguments without taking shots at us and/or Ben and been perfectly fine. He obviously gets fed lines from other sites and is filled with completely inaccurate information. End of story. Go run back to that other site and tell them what I said so they can give you suggestions on how to respond. We're waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by MtneerManiac
Yep...MtneerManiac can enjoy the same vacation Rhombic has.
But thanks for pointing out that we have closed quite the gap in traffic in just 16 months.
Funny enough, if you look at that, it says our site age is 319 days old, yet founded in May. That says that those numbers are from before April... 5 months ago. Find a comparison from the past few months and I imagine they tell a considerably different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by MtneerManiac
Yeah look more specifically at May, June, July, and August when we basically have more traffic, even though we were told we wouldn't survive but a few months :D again....failed jokes doesn't = the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Ummm... Actually it fixed everything that you mentioned. With the exception of the no huddle which is a new problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by uf83198
Well I guess you cell phone example doesn't make sense to me as most of these issues are new to this years game so you're not really buying a product the same product and only some of the features work. Last years game was fairly bug free, other than some gameplay improvements and they will always need to make game play improvements.
gee whiz, Gschwendt almost seems uncomposed in this, thats so unlike him LOL j/k juuuust kiiiddiinngQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Not going to lie... big fan of Golden CorralQuote:
Originally Posted by MtneerManiac
Straight-out lies and intentional misinformation do that to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
I honestly can't believe people still come over from the other site and troll. Seriously, grow up.
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never been there yet myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by psuexv
its their decision, but I wouldnt call what Rhombic did, trolling, by any stretch. Just a strong opion is allQuote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
It's more of a continuation of what he started when he insulted many members of the community prior and should have been banned then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
Huh? You can't be serious? :fp:Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
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Look I did not mean to call out anyone and that includes anyone with the prospect of going to community days in the future but here is my reasoning for being pissed. There were multiple people with access to the game through out the development cycle from this site and multiple others and they all received early copies of the game. But not once during that time did I hear or read anyone point out the issues with the game. There were obvious problems but no one said so even after the embargo lift. If there was a time when those guys relayed those issues to ea, they knew about those issues and fixes should have began to be worked out. The patch took forever and I have been waiting for them. Now it's sept 9th and I really don't even see the reason to download the patch. Nothing about that post had any influence from anywhere but common sense. If I would have attended a community day and came back point out every issue with the game and had a negative (truthful) outlook you bet your ass I would not be invited back. My outlook is the same as it was 2 years ago. The NCAA series will not change until it is taken out of the Tiburon Studio.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
I've said it several times but I'll say it again. I honestly and sincerely did not see any major issues with the game from the time they sent it to us early to the time that you guys received it. I still never saw any of the major issues that were discovered the first day the public had access... I never saw the zero play bug aside from at community events and the two guys that reported to me as having seen it, they were prior to the day one patch which suggested it would be fixing it so I assumed it would have been fixed. Honestly prior to this latest patch, I could find lots of enjoyment out of the game with the exception of transfer failed errors and guys getting DC'd in OD games.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin2608
I assure you, our goal is not to be an EA mouthpiece or just gloss over the issues with the game whether you or anyone else believes that to be the case. Just because we don't scream from the rooftops and post on twitter or facebook or elsewhere about the issues with the game, doesn't mean that we're ignoring them or anything like that, it just comes down to the fact that is not our style. We relay news, we provide a place to discuss the game, we discuss the game with you, but aside from podcasts, we don't share our "site" opinion all that much, and even in podcasts we give the good with the bad.
I know I'm not going to convince a lot of people of this fact but all I can do is pass it along and let each person take it for whatever they wish. My conscience is clear.
There was nothing we were hiding when he got the game early. Any problems we had noticed were relayed to EA immediately. Considering there are a lot of people that haven't even come acrossed some of these issues, it is very easy to not see EVERYTHING in two weeks. The first patch didn't hit until a few days before release, so most of the time we had with the game before release was straight up the retail version. Some of these issues didn't come to light until after the first patch. All in all, nothing was hidden from anyone to drive sales or whatever idiotic spin people are trying to put on it.
Like I have said a million times, I am very frustrated with the problems this game is having; however, I'm still in 4 OD's and play in two offline dynasties from time to time and can do so just fine. The majority of people will agree with that, but you have certain loud trolls that only show up when things go wrong to magnify them...and put the blame on us.