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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

kinda begs the question as to how they havent been penalized yet? :dunno:

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My thoughts exactly.

The big thing, this is going to get confusing as to who would be banned from postseason play in each sport. Taking UAB as example. Their 2010 multi-year APR scores, they'd be banned from bowls in football due to a 887 APR, they'd be banned from the NCAA tournament in basketball due to their 825 APR, but they would qualify for the baseball postseason with a 958 APR. It's going to get confusing fast trying to go school by school to figure out who is banned and who isn't in each individual sport every year.

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While this issue has been going on for years now, I am still so sick of this fucking PC bullshit. :fp: The entire NCAA and their "brilliant" ideas can go fuck themselves.

so the SEC doesnt want a&m?

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...s-options-open

I doubt they ever did. A&M is just butthurt that Texas got it's own network. Why would anyone want A&M? Football is usually the #1 reason a school is wanted and outside a few years they have been at the bottom of the Big 12 South. Texas Tech has owned them 11-5 since 1995 although they did lose the last two.

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Originally Posted by bdoughty

I doubt they ever did. A&M is just butthurt that Texas got it's own network. Why would anyone want A&M? Football is usually the #1 reason a school is wanted and outside a few years they have been at the bottom of the Big 12 South. Texas Tech has owned them 11-5 since 1995 although they did lose the last two.

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But they do have a Texas market that helps any conference out and that is a factor big time.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

But they do have a Texas market that helps any conference out and that is a factor big time.

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When Nebraska bolted for the B1G last year, there was a lot of articles stating the SEC really wanted to get into Texas somehow. I still think A&M ends up there.

The regents gave the TAMU president the authority to investigate conference realignment this afternoon. He said he has been in contact with the SEC since 7/21. It's just a matter of time now as well as the SEC deciding who else to add and/or when to do so.

EDIT - Now there are reports from A&M sources saying the SEC is looking to expand to 16 teams. Hello, super-conferences!

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Originally Posted by cdj

When Nebraska bolted for the B1G last year, there was a lot of articles stating the SEC really wanted to get into Texas somehow. I still think A&M ends up there.

The regents gave the TAMU president the authority to investigate conference realignment this afternoon. He said he has been in contact with the SEC since 7/21. It's just a matter of time now as well as the SEC deciding who else to add and/or when to do so.

EDIT - Now there are reports from A&M sources saying the SEC is looking to expand to 16 teams. Hello, super-conferences!

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Yea I'm interested to see how fast super conferences take shape once the SEC moves on this.

I like yourself think Texas A&M not getting the support on Sunday was just SEC figuring out who else to invite with them.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Yea I'm interested to see how fast super conferences take shape once the SEC moves on this.

I like yourself think Texas A&M not getting the support on Sunday was just SEC figuring out who else to invite with them.

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Yep, they're not going to make a move until they have at least one more team 100% on board to bring in at the same time as Texas A&M. They're not going to bring them in now, and set themselves up as only 13 teams next year, and then try and start searching for and try to get a 14th team to come and join them. They're going to have everything laid out, worked out, planned, and all the back door lawyer crap done and paperwork signed before official invitations are extended to anyone.

This is where the Big 12 screwed up. They should have gone after TCU and Houston to replace Nebraska and Colorado. It also would have given them schools in the DFW and Houston markets.

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Originally Posted by bdoughty

This is where the Big 12 screwed up. They should have gone after TCU and Houston to replace Nebraska and Colorado. It also would have given them schools in the DFW and Houston markets.

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At that point, they may as well just call themselves the Big Texas Conference. It already is since clearly Texas is running the show, and everyone else is just sucking on their teat. Sure, Oklahoma and others can make it sound like they're also running the show as well, but clearly everyone in the present day Big 12 is nothing but Texas' bitch when it comes to the shape and stability of the conference.

I agree, bdoughty. If they don't make some moves (and very soon) they might find themselves losing more top programs (such as Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to Pac-12 or SEC) on the road to becoming a non-BCS conference or wiped out completely.

OU is just sitting back and watching to see what happens. OU can pick and choose as they please. The teams that are shitting in their britches are Texas Tech and Baylor (in the South). I think Oklahoma State will follow OU wherever they go and with T Boone Pickens and his pocketbook they will look attractive to any conference.

The entire remnants of the North division are probably scared to death as well. Mizzou probably thinks they have a B1G invite in their cards at some point down the line, but the rest may be screwed. Kansas may get a Big East invite (based upon bball alone), but Kansas State and especially Iowa State may be left in the cold (read: MAC).

I doubt anyone would end up in the MAC. I would not wish that on anyone.

There is always the C-USA where Baylor and Tech would be a good fit, joining Rice, SMU and Houston

The MWC could add Kansas, KSU and possibly Iowa State. A couple good basketball teams in the conference already (UNLV, New Mexico) and the last thing the Big East needs is more basketball teams.

Missouri is still in talks with the SEC and B1G but could also end up in the MWC.

Tons of options that are making my head hurt processing them all. Thankfully NCAA 12 gives me the option to play out every scenario. :)

Yep, pretty much anyone left out in the cold from the Big 12 would have an invite to the MWC long before they'd ever go to the MAC. C-USA could have a shot at some the Texas schools like bdoughty said, but most likely anyone not going to the Pac-12, Big 10, or SEC, would be calling the MWC their new home.

A Kentucky farmer ... or a KY Farmer ;) carves a corn maze of Calipari.

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I wonder if you make it through the maze, Calipari hands you a check.

That's crazy, if it's real that's some wicked talented man with a tractor.

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Originally Posted by psuexv

That's crazy, if it's real that's some wicked talented man with a tractor.

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Something tells me that's not the first time you've uttered that phrase :D

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Something tells me that's not the first time you've uttered that phrase :D

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What? LOL

Watching college lacrosse right now on ESPNU, #16 Denver is just exploding and destroying #3 Duke right now. It was 6-5 Denver at halftime, and Denver has scored 4 goals in a 5 minute period to take a 10-5 lead over Duke. If Duke doesn't do something to stop this run by the Pioneers, it's gonna get real ugly and Denver is going to blow them out.

granted, its high school, but still sad.

umpire dies during hs softball game.

Damn.

"They didn't want to put him in a body bag". Lol. Dumb kid.

They shouldn't put that in the article. First, it makes no sense. Body bags are for messes. Some guy who had a heart attack is not a mess. Second, a paramedic cannot pronounce some one dead in Texas. It has to be a doctor, medical examiner, or Justice of the Peace. Third, to put something like that in an article, particularly after quoting the man's daughter, is thoughtless, classless, and disrespectful.

Sorry, just the Funeral Director coming out of me again.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Third, to put something like that in an article, particularly after quoting the man's daughter, is thoughtless, classless, and disrespectful.

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They were quoting a player's Twitter. Placement of the quote was not their first mistake.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

They were quoting a player's Twitter. Placement of the quote was not their first mistake.

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Yep.

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SMU fires their AD a week after he hires Larry Brown to coach their basketball team. Oops :D

ESPN NCAAF - Ohio St. coach Urban Meyer acknowledges having committed secondary NCAA violations (Plain Dealer)

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

ESPN NCAAF - Ohio St. coach Urban Meyer acknowledges having committed secondary NCAA violations (Plain Dealer)

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Shit. Urban is a walking secondary violation.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

ESPN NCAAF - Ohio St. coach Urban Meyer acknowledges having committed secondary NCAA violations (Plain Dealer)

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I was actually just reading an article on this. Not that I think Meyer and OSU are clean, but some of these violations are a little suspect.

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Coach Urban Meyer wishing recruit Noah Spence “Good luck” before his state championship game in December. That sort of contact on game day violates the bylaws.

— Assistant football coach Mike Vrabel used smokeless tobacco on the sidelines during games. According to the documents obtained by the paper, OSU got an anonymous tip from an area health teacher. The NCAA forbids tobacco use during games or practices.

— Football staff member Kirk Barton ordered 20 “JT” bracelets for $5 each for players to wear in honor of Tressel. Barton sold the bracelets for $15 to ensure he’d stay clear of the NCAA. It wasn’t good enough, because players had access to something not available to the general public.

— On Aug. 20, a parent of a recruit sent a text message to assistant coach Dick Tressel to ask which gate the parent should use to enter the stadium for a scrimmage. The coach responded, but texting the parents of a recruit is a violation.

— In December of 2010, five players took five recruits to a movie. The cab ride the players used, however, took them $1 to $5 over the maximum of $60 spending money.

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Originally Posted by psuexv

I was actually just reading an article on this. Not that I think Meyer and OSU are clean, but some of these violations are a little suspect.

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Cheaters! :D

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The fact that a bunch of tiny shit like that are violations, shows the NCAA needs to die and some new entity needs to take over college sports. :fp:

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

The fact that a bunch of tiny shit like that are violations, shows the NCAA needs to die and some new entity needs to take over college sports. :fp:

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Exactly, some kids parent texts me as a coach about what gate to go to and I'm supposed to ignore them. Yeah that's going to sell them on my school.

One of them is the fact that all Urban said was "good luck" :fp: seriously? Like that HS football player just creamed his pants when Urban talked to him and he'll instantly commit to Ohio State. Oh. Wait. That probably was what was going to happen.

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Originally Posted by psuexv

Exactly, some kids parent texts me as a coach about what gate to go to and I'm supposed to ignore them. Yeah that's going to sell them on my school.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

One of them is the fact that all Urban said was "good luck" :fp: seriously? Like that HS football player just creamed his pants when Urban talked to him and he'll instantly commit to Ohio State. Oh. Wait. That probably was what was going to happen.

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Yep. The NCAA has COMPLETELY become blind to their original mission that they were created for, and instead spend all day creating new rules, by-laws and violations to sit there accusing schools and coaches of violating. They need to just be trashed like the BCS. Kill both at the same time and start fresh with a new bowl/playoff system and a new governing body.

More of the "violations" by Ohio State (with some of the previously posted ones by psuexv mixed in) courtesy of Deadspin, each making me :fp: harder and harder with each one. :fp:

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• Urban Meyer met with two high school coaches before a state championship game. While leaving the field, he told a player "good luck." That player turned out to be an OSU recruit.

• Assistant coach Mike Vrabel used chewing tobacco on the sidelines.

• Athletic director Gene Smith and alumni association CEO Archie Griffin recorded a personalized video for football recruit Ezekiel Elliott for his official campus visit on March 31. Recruiting videos are forbidden.

• The parents of a football recruit texted an assistant coach to ask which gate to enter Ohio Stadium for a scrimmage. He texted them back with the answer.

• Greg Paulus, video coordinator for the basketball team, was seen talking with players while pointing to the court. Since he's not technically on the coaching staff, he's not allowed to "coach" anyone in this manner.

• On a recruiting visit, a diving prospect's student host bought him an $8 Halloween costume for a party.

• Assistant coach Stan Drayton last July accidentally sent a text message to a recruit when he meant to send an email. Emails were permissible. Text messages were not.

• In December of 2010, five current football players took five recruits on OSU visits to a movie. NCAA rules allow each recruit $60 in spending money for entertainment. A cab ride to the movie put each recruit between $1 and $5 over budget, which the football players paid out of pocket. That was not allowed because the $60 limit was exceeded.

• The school realized that during three days of the football team's Rose Bowl trip from Dec. 26, 2009, to Jan. 2, 2010, the players received both a $15 per diem and breakfast. That pushed them over the allowable three meals of $45 per diem.

• A lacrosse recruit visiting campus for an instructional camp had his personal stick stolen. The OSU staff gave him another one as a replacement.

• A lawyer and booster for the athletics department threw a birthday party for his wife, and invited his close friends who happened to have a kid playing sports at OSU.

• A women's soccer coach tried to leave a voicemail for an academic counselor named Lindsay. He later realized he had dialed the wrong "Lindsay" in his phone, and left the message for a recruit.

• Five graduating seniors on the women's hockey team received framed jerseys and rings. The value of these gifts exceeded the allowed amount, by $4.

• A random man showed up at the tennis facility. He told a coach his daughter was a tennis recruit. The coach told him she couldn't talk to him, and he left.

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http://deadspin.com/5911519/ohio-sta...o-gives-a-shit

Here's the link for the PDF of the official reports filed by Ohio State: http://www.scribd.com/Deadspin/d/940...caa-Violations

It's time for the NCAA to die and someone else to take their place. :fp:

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A random man showed up at the tennis facility. He told a coach his daughter was a tennis recruit. The coach told him she couldn't talk to him, and he left.

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How in the world is this a violation?

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Athletic director Gene Smith and alumni association CEO Archie Griffin recorded a personalized video for football recruit Ezekiel Elliott for his official campus visit on March 31. Recruiting videos are forbidden.

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This one I actually agree with. Namely because we're fucking stupid for somehow forgetting that wasn't a rule. Or, more likely, it's been done before and this one got reported. Why the hell would the AD and Archie be recording a personalized video in the first place? (EDIT: Just read the report and found out that what happened was that the recruit was on campus during the NCAA tournament. Archie and AD Smith were off-site and recorded a video since they wouldn't be there to meet him. Because they said his name, it became a "recruiting video" and a secondary violation. If they hadn't made it "personal", it sounds like it would have been okay. Laughable, though still inexcusable that we forgot that.)

But yes, the rest of the list is just laughable. Two other funny things with this to me: 1) Many (outside Ohio State) have reacted to this by saying that Ohio State should expect this many violations, just because of their size; 2) There was one often-used-in-NCAA-violation-cases lawyer who said that it's more suspicious to NOT have this level of violations reported than it is to have them. Kind of puts that whole "Ohio State has self reported X number of violations" controversy from last year in a new perspective. Somehow, having this number of reported violations is a sign that you have a good compliance department because you're reporting them. I fail to see how, since I mentally equate "compliance" with "security" I deal with at my work. A security department would not be "good" if it was reporting a lot of minor violations, rather than, y'know, stopping them.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

More of the "violations" by Ohio State (with some of the previously posted ones by psuexv mixed in) courtesy of Deadspin, each making me :fp: harder and harder with each one. :fp:

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My personal favorites so far: A) The health teacher that reported Vrabel-being-Vrabel was really irate. "Do you suspect a supervisor or management is involved?" "How about any coach, including Fickell - How can you miss it when he has a huge dip in and is spitting it on the sideline?"

B) "While reviewing [offseason football camp] registrations, Ms. Singel noticed that there were two registrations for a prospective student-athlete by the name of Ryan Moore from Fort Lauderdale, Florida ... After an Internet search of Mr. Moore's high school as well as an e-mail to Mr. Moore's parent, Mr. Rogers was unable to determine Mr. Moore's correct age." So, the kid (possibly) lies about how old he is, we trust him, and that's a violation? Plus, somehow we can't find the answer? I'm not sure which is worse.

Damn, AFA ...

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Tailback Asher Clark, Air Force's second-leading all-time rusher, has been kicked out of school less than a week before graduation as a result of an investigation into illegal drug use, The Gazette of Colorado Springs has reported, citing unnamed sources.

School spokesman David Cannon confirmed to the newspaper that Clark, a four-year starter for the Falcons, is no longer enrolled but would not comment further, referring to the Privacy Act.

According to The Gazette, the school said in January it had suspected at least 15 students were involved in illegal drug use, findings that stemmed from an academy investigation that eventually expanded to involve 31 cadets, some of whom were student-athletes.

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