I'm a sheep. I love the big schools and don't have any interest in the small ones. A game centered on the Big 5 would be great for me.
I'm a sheep. I love the big schools and don't have any interest in the small ones. A game centered on the Big 5 would be great for me.
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Originally Posted by Rudy
There will be an itch and all these naysayers will scratch. Even with just the Big 5 there would still be 62 teams to choose from. If you love college football the most, how could you pass on this over Madden? More variety, teams, play-styles and a better offseason mode.
Again, no Navy, no Bowling Green/Toledo, no C-USA, no Mountain West, etc, they can go fuck off. I don't give a shit if they still end up having 62 teams with Big 5 only. I can play NCAA 14 and have 126 teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
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Would anyone be interested in a RTG game with complete control of editable teams, rosters, districts, and schedules? Except you would begin as a freshman, and the new freshmen after each progressed year would be AI based, as in no recruiting, just random players from bad to great. I'm talking about a high school football game. Team builder could be utilized, but they need to make upgrades such as editable equipment and a stadium builder among other things, all online.
Just think, as a freshman you're not being recruited, but then your performance and measurables begin determining year after year your prospect ranking and who recruits you.
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I'd personally pass. RTG is fine for a week or two, especially when whoring trophies and achievements. But after that, I pretty much couldn't care less about RTG from that point on. It's dynasty or nothing for me.
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I would implement a dynasty feature with it too, but I could see how interest would be lost from 1) your player graduating and 2) you can't recruit and build your team -- just plug and play with random incoming freshmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
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That pretty much sums it up for me. This one player control stuff just isn't for me. I want a pure dynasty where I control everything, like what we have had all these years. I want to control recruiting, I want to control all the players, I want to control redshirts, and plays called, and coaching philosophies for the teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMB0B
Those are the reasons why RTG has never really interested me. I play it while I waited for sliders every year and just long enough to get the related achievements, and then I was done with the mode.
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F that. Why would I want to purchase a game that wouldn't include my school or our conference?Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
That's exactly what I've been trying to tell him this whole time. Would he still buy the game if it left out Oklahoma and the Big 12? I doubt he would. So why would I?Quote:
Originally Posted by coogrfan
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I guess what I'm envisioning is the same control that you have over a dynasty like NCAA, but it's high school. You can do RTG mode if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Still no recruiting, though.
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Which is what breaks the deal for meQuote:
Originally Posted by TIMB0B
I couldn't care less about RTG and I especially couldn't care less about high school. It's either the college teams with full recruiting (because EA would absolutely fuck up progression from year to year and incoming freshman and thus teams would end up total trash by year 5) or I pass. I wouldn't even buy a game like that if it was $5.
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Point taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
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Actually, I would still buy it. I rarely ever played as Oklahoma the past few editions. In fact if OU is on my schedule I just simulate it. Have spent more time playing with Texas Tech, North Texas and Northwestern over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
It is all speculation, I am in the camp that we are a long way from seeing NCAA games.
I will add that there really is an easy fix to the roster issue and EA having no liability. Randomly generated rosters when you launch the game for the first time. No two rosters would be alike, leaving players unable to claim likeness. Roster makers would just have to spend some time tweaking appearances before releasing rosters.
Nope. B/c creating a game that would allow others to misappropriate someone else's property can also lead to liability - see e.g., Napster Remember them? They technically did nothing wrong just like EA but their software allowed others to do so. Plaintiff's lawyers would sue EA again and EA has already shown it has no stomach to fight so write another big fat check.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Napster was the go-between for all the files to share, technically they did everything wrong by doing so without the licensing or approval of the companies whose files were shared. EA had licenses with the NCAA/CLC. There was no player union to make a deal with. Not a really good comparison. EA would probably have to get rid of the roster share and "roster sharing" would have to go back to the old ways. Just as PES has always done. They (PES) have always always left room to add teams too. Last I checked they have not been sued? Pretty sure every league not licensed in the game has know this for some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
The reason they haven't been sued is easy not enough $ money to interest those plaintiff's lawyers flying around in their 4 private jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Does anyone know why bowls can give players gifts with the NCAA's blessing?
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It's not just the Bowls passing out the gifts.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIMB0B
My understanding is the gifts have going around since the 1950's. So it is nothing new, outside the amount of the gift's which forced the NCAA to put a limit on how much. Obviously without limitations this could be used as a great recruiting strategy.Quote:
The NCAA allows each bowl to award up to $550 worth of gifts to 125 participants per school. Schools can, and almost always do, buy additional packages that they can distribute to participants beyond that 125 limit. In addition, participants can receive awards worth up to $400 from the school and up to $400 from the conference for postseason play, covering both conference title games and any bowl game.
In the NCAA's mind a gift does not equal cash, therefore it does not count. ;) As for why? A reward for being one of the 70 teams out of 125 to make a bowl game? I would use the logic that it is a form of compensation for having to stay at school and missing out on some of the holiday break, being separated from their families, etc. Of course, basketball players do the same thing. It is the NCAA, logic be damned.
I wouldn't play an NCAA game with just the Big 5 schools in it. Mind you, Louisville would be in the game - but it takes away from the experience imo. I enjoy taking teams in Dynasty outside the power conferences, and playing every game on the schedule in different stadiums, weather etc. I can just play NCAA 14 on my Xbox & be content until the series makes it return.
I agree 100%. Any college game without at the very least ALL FBS level schools is not a college game for me. Heck, I still am choked FCS teams are missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by xMrHitStickx904
I don't know, I played the hell out of Bill Walsh on the Genesis and it only had, I believe, 36 schools. It would be tough to go back to something like that but I think most would think something is better than nothing.
It's easy to say that I'd just keep playing NCAA 14, but we're less than a year removed from its release. What if we go 5 years with no game and then get something with 50 schools. Would you all still play NCAA 14? 10 years?
If a game is ever made again, it could be that long. I don't think many people would pass and keep playing NCAA 14.
It appears that it's all a matter of who you root for. If your school is in a power conference, you may be more easily swayed by Big 5 game. If you're all about the little guys, it's all or nothing.
http://deadspin.com/the-one-fuck-up-...ium=socialflow
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Astonishingly, an organization that tells us to think of it as "a marching band celebrating student-athletes in everything they do" did not call a single … wait for it … student-athlete. Two of the NCAA's four pre-competitive justifications for prohibiting compensation are that consumer demand of college sports is dependent on maintaining amateurism and that amateurism rules promote an integration of academics and athletics. Who could possibly be more qualified to speak to the merits of amateurism than a successful former amateur athlete?
To be fair to the NCAA, the judge hearing the case previously ruled that any college athlete who has appeared in televised game footage since 2005 was automatically a class-action plaintiff, and therefore could not be called to testify on behalf of the defense. Still, out of all the thousands of athletes that played college sports before 2005, the best the NCAA could come up with was Jim Delany, a former North Carolina point guard who played in the '60s, a former Kent State basketball player from the '70s named Chris Plonsky, and Diane Dickman, who played college golf in the '80s for Tulsa.
Here are some fun facts about those three pro-NCAA former student-athletes: Jim Delany is the current commissioner of the Big Ten, Chris Plonsky is the current athletics director at Texas, and Diane Dickman is the NCAA's current director of academic and membership affairs.
Consider how stupid this makes the NCAA look. According to the NCAA's Division I manual, a college athlete's participation in sports should be "Motivated primarily by education and by the physical, mental and social benefits to be derived." And yet Emmert and his goons couldn't find a single "student-athlete" who does not currently have a financial stake in the NCAA's continued existence to take the stand and plainly state, "Yes, I got into this for the education as well as the physical, mental and social benefits to be derived."
To all of you talking about playing a game with generic players, and the possibility of it allowing editing that could make teams more like real teams ... remember that Backbreaker was initially billed as a game that would allow full customization. It didn't have an NFL license, but would allow you to customize it to your heart's content.
A mere threat of a lawsuit from the NFL killed off that feature before the game was ever released.
I think EA would be rather gunshy with anything generic. The only likelihood I see of a generic game with customization ability getting released is if it's by a company that simply doesn't think it will make enough waves to get sued.
Just started a new dynasty on the ps3, and this is one the reasons why I didn't buy a ps4. Because I only play Madden & NCAA, what's the point. I'd rather buy another ps3 to backup the one I already have. I know this is whishful thinking, but, you think we'll be able to roll over the grad class to M15? This is really a sad time 4 me, gotta wait until August to get a new football game:fdown:
SCOTUS denies EA appeal, will not hear case.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/10/02/72085.htm
Ex-Ryan Hart attorney Tim McIlwain seeks $4.62M in fees from EA video game settlement. McIlwain claims Keller attorneys reneged on deal.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015
:D
At one point in EA case, McIlwain notified court he wanted to replace Ryan Hart as plaintiff with 3 former CFB players. That didn't happen.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Court filings: There have so far been 8,273 claims made by ex-players to be paid in EA, CLC, NCAA video-game settlement.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Court filing: So far only objection to NCAA, EA, CLC settlement is from ex-UConn basketball player Tate George (former O'Bannon plaintiff.)
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015George dismissed individual claims vs. NCAA. He now wants each class representative to get about $417K, far more than other class members.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015O'Bannon attorney: George's objection disregards court-approved class notice against objecting in order to pay yourself more.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Court filing: Keller lawyers collected contact info for 87,406 college athletes. So far 3 opt-outs, 1 objection to EA, NCAA, CLC settlement.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Keller plaintiffs are seeking $8.58M in attorney fees from EA settlement (21.45% of $40 million settlement). Keller would get $15,000.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015O'Bannon plaintiffs seek $12M in attorney fees from EA settlement (30% of $40M settlement). Ex-players named in suit would get $5K or $15K.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Keller attorneys: A player who appeared in EA video games from 2007-11 could recover $4,324, assuming a 25% claim rate from settlement.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Assuming 100% claims rate, player would get $270 each year avatar was in NCAA video game from 2006-14, and $74 for each year from 2003-05.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015Hourly rates for Keller attorneys at Hagens Berman range from $900 to $215. Keller attorneys say they spent 20,061 hours on case.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015
Wow. $74, $270, $4,324, $5,000 or $15,000. Hope it was worth destroying the entire series jackasses.
#TheScriptIsDead
Well, for the lawyers it was definitely worth it. They'd likely love to do it again. :smh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
If I understand Solomon correctly, less than 10% of those eligible joined the class-action suit. I wonder how that compares to the average % in similar suits.
O'Bannon attorneys seek $1.8M from EA settlement to reimburse expert costs. Would go down if similar expenses are approved in NCAA motion.
— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomon35) April 14, 2015
Along the same lines, I'm pretty sure nobody involved actually wanted to kill the series ... maybe a few people thought it was so problematic that they wanted to see the series end ... but I think Keller and others just wanted some compensation for the fact that they were being used without permission.Quote:
Originally Posted by cdj
The lawyers, clearly, were the ones truly interested in a big pay day. What a joke.
Yeah, the lawyers made out with a nice big fat payday.
#TheScriptIsDead
CLW, can we now sue Keller and O'Bannon and the lawyers for taking the game away from us? They denied my right to pursue happiness as stated in the Declaration of Independence
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20,000 plus hours! Good lord at $900 an hour haha