2012 NFL Offseason Talk

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

NFL says they have 18,000 documents and over 50,000 pages of evidence pertaining to the Saints' bounty system.

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probably another victim of texting too much LOL..amoung other things

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Actually, Ike Taylor is a very good tackler.

In fact, I read a breakdown last offseason that showed how all of his coverage numbers were on par with Revis' with the obvious exception of INTs. The breakdown detailed how much better he was in run support (and at tackling) than any of the top CBs in the league. The whole point of the article was that Taylor is as important to the Steelers' defense as Revis is to the Jets and that Pittsburgh was fortunate, from a salary cap standpoint, that Taylor's total package was perceived as less valuable than Revis' ability to create turnovers.

EDIT: that article may have been about Asomugha, can't remember. The point is the same, Taylor is a better tackler than most CBs.

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Yes he can tackle but I was saying he wasn't the best tackle the Steelers have. And more so your CB shouldnt be the team's best or lead the team in tackles lol.

Only thing Ike doesn't do is catch INT's. Can't be sure of the numbers but his aren't very high over the last few years. Combination of things I know

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Yes he can tackle but I was saying he wasn't the best tackle the Steelers have. And more so your CB shouldnt be the team's best or lead the team in tackles lol.

Only thing Ike doesn't do is catch INT's. Can't be sure of the numbers but his aren't very high over the last few years. Combination of things I know

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He has never led the team in tackles, nor does anyone claim he is the team's best tackler.

The point is, he's a very good tackling corner.

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Some non bounty Saints news. Randy Moss is working out with the team today.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

He has never led the team in tackles, nor does anyone claim he is the team's best tackler.

The point is, he's a very good tackling corner.

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Wasn't say none of those things either lol. Speaking of CB's in general

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Some non bounty Saints news. Randy Moss is working out with the team today.

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Apparently it went quite well for Randy as well. ESPN article here.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...ut-reports-say

the State of Indiana before the final 4 tourney and Manning makes big headlines for having to leave a team...I honestly dont think he will consider an NFCteam unless he gets less offers then he expects/wants/hopes for...Sanchez better get acquainted with the sideline....

I love the rumour this morning of Manning considering Houston. I think that would be awesome!

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

I love the rumour this morning of Manning considering Houston. I think that would be awesome!

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Fuck that!

Unless, of course, he is unhealthy, and done. :D

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Originally Posted by jaymo76

I love the rumour this morning of Manning considering Houston. I think that would be awesome!

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Wouldn't that be some shit...Going to Houston in the same conference as the Colts

I'd actually love to see that as well.

My ranking of teams to land Manning:

1. Miami
2. Kansas City
3. Denver
4. Washington
5. Seattle

Pretty much everyone has Manning to Miami as most likely. I personally think it's gong to be either Arizona (because of the dome) OR Kansas City (weakness of the AFC West).

Holy fuck. Rams and Redskins talking trade. Redskins get the Rams 2012 1st round draft pick (2nd overall). Rams get 2012 1st round draft pick (6th overall), 2012 2nd round, 2013 1st round, 2014 1st round.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

Holy fuck. Rams and Redskins talking trade. Redskins get the Rams 2012 1st round draft pick (2nd overall). Rams get 2012 1st round draft pick (6th overall), 2012 2nd round, 2013 1st round, 2014 1st round.

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Yep RG3 to Washington.

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:sick: x :infinity:

I'm about to become a closet Steelers fan. WTF are you thinking Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen?

Only prayer now is Irsay is dumb enough to take Griffin instead of Luck.

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

:sick: x :infinity:

I'm about to become a closet Steelers fan. WTF are you thinking Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen?

Only prayer now is Irsay is dumb enough to take Griffin instead of Luck.

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Yeah, I was instantly :fp: when I saw it mentioned during college basketball. Way to throw away three years of 1st round draft picks. RG3 may be a decent to good NFL player, but no way in hell is he worth four draft picks, three of them being 1st rounders.

whoever gave the go-ahead for that, should be canned. there isnt a quarterback in the league who is worth 3 first rounders. this probably goes down as one of the dumbest pick swapping trades of all time.

This just in....

The Rams included Herschel Walker in the deal to Washington. Good job, Redskins!

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Well, the thing is, apparently there were teams, like the Browns, offering fuckin' FOUR first round draft picks for the spot. FOUR!

Doesn't matter though because, unless we somehow have Luck fall in our laps, we're fucked because I can guarantee that Griffin won't be a good NFL QB.

Rams just OWNED the Redskins 3 first round picks and this years 2nd for RGIII (who I think has BUST written all over him). If the Rams draft well they could become a NASTY team after this is done.

The Redskins really rolled the dice on this one. They better hope it doesn't come up snake eyes. I may be wrong but I don't see RG III being a big time NFL QB. I have seen the Raiders do this type of thing way too many times in the past and it never panned out. I guess we will all find out this fall if Washington made the right decision.

Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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Nope. It's pretty much a lose-lose. I know Washington had to basically lop off both nuts to get the #2 slot, since Cleveland could package together their #4 and #22 first round picks this year, plus whatever else, but this was just stupidly insane what Washington gave up.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

Yeah, I was instantly :fp: when I saw it mentioned during college basketball. Way to throw away three years of 1st round draft picks. RG3 may be a decent to good NFL player, but no way in hell is he worth four draft picks, three of them being 1st rounders.

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

Well, the thing is, apparently there were teams, like the Browns, offering fuckin' FOUR first round draft picks for the spot. FOUR!

Doesn't matter though because, unless we somehow have Luck fall in our laps, we're fucked because I can guarantee that Griffin won't be a good NFL QB.

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LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists :D

you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.

I admit, I am rooting for the guy. He's fun,funny,smart,appears to be normal and not a jerk...and with the new pansy QB and pass defense rules, more QBs will succeed then not in the future. Just ask Flynn and Newton....

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Even if RG3 pans out, it will be 2015 before Washington has a first round pick to build around him with. I just don't see how this will end well for the Redskins.

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in this massive free agency era, drafts arent quite as important..building through the draft takes too long now. You have to find formulas that work sooner.

I of course think building through draft works better, but its harder to do now.

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

in this massive free agency era, drafts arent quite as important..building through the draft takes too long now. You have to find formulas that work sooner.

I of course think building through draft works better, but its harder to do now.

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Look at all of the top teams in the league. Then list all of their top players. You'll find that the vast majority of top players on the top teams were drafted by that team.

Washington has tried to build with high-priced Free Agents ever since Snyder bought the team and it has got them nowhere.

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists :D

you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.

I admit, I am rooting for the guy. He's fun,funny,smart,appears to be normal and not a jerk...and with the new pansy QB and pass defense rules, more QBs will succeed then not in the future. Just ask Flynn and Newton....

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No, it's called he's fucked. He was either going to the Browns or now to the Redskins. His career just ended before it got started based on those teams and their current personnel (no offense Mors).

The biggest problem RGIII will have is being coached by Kyle Shannahan. I would rather have Cam Cameron(whom I despise) than those two assholes in DC.

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

LOL neither of you guys have proven to know shit about anything, and youre both flaming pessimists :D

you have no freaking clue whether RG III will succeed or not...have you not seen him on the NFL network? He isnt your typical dumb ass jock. He can think on his feet quite well. If he can do that in on field situations in the pros..it could be interesting.

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its not that at all. its the fact that washington gave up 4 extremely high picks for him. your first rounders are guys you want to have be your franchise type players, and your second rounders are guys you look at to start or be an immediate backup. throwing out a bust, and washington is basically giving up 2 guaranteed starters, plus an immediate backup. trading away all of that for a qb who hasnt proved himself yet is stupid.

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Originally Posted by steelerfan

Look at all of the top teams in the league. Then list all of their top players. You'll find that the vast majority of top players on the top teams were drafted by that team.

Washington has tried to build with high-priced Free Agents ever since Snyder bought the team and it has got them nowhere.

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

its not that at all. its the fact that washington gave up 4 extremely high picks for him. your first rounders are guys you want to have be your franchise type players, and your second rounders are guys you look at to start or be an immediate backup. throwing out a bust, and washington is basically giving up 2 guaranteed starters, plus an immediate backup. trading away all of that for a qb who hasnt proved himself yet is stupid.

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Exactly. This isn't baseball, you can't buy a championship. All of the top teams have built their teams from the ground up. Patriots, Steelers, 49ers, Packers. They bring in a FA here or there to fill some holes but never to build around.

And if you pick right, that 1st round draft pick can be an immediate force. Look at Denver and their first round pick last year, Von Miller. The guy had an immediate boost and huge effect on the defense. If you make the right pick and get a player who is a sure thing to not be a bust, you can greatly improve your team with just that one pick. Washington has nothing for the next three years now in the first round. Way, way, way, way, way too much given up for an untested QB.

Ouch. It gets somewhat worse for the Redskins fans. From Adam Schefter.

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NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from Cowboys and Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year.

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Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.

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It's bullshit. They make the rule AFTER we build the contracts to do it that way (or, at least, in the sense of what the Redskins did with their contracts).

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Originally Posted by morsdraconis

It's bullshit. They make the rule AFTER we build the contracts to do it that way (or, at least, in the sense of what the Redskins did with their contracts).

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You and the rest of the Redskins fans just can't catch a break at all lately. Under investigation for Williams, trading away the next three years in the NFL draft for RG3, and now this. :smh:

Fail to the Redskins!

(No offense, mors)

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Well to be fair, they only really traded away the next two years. That's been the common misconception on this trade. They just swapped with them this year.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Well to be fair, they only really traded away the next two years. That's been the common misconception on this trade. They just swapped with them this year.

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Well true, but since they're drafting RG3 and traded away their second rounder as well, I just sort of counted this year among it all.

Moss to 49ers....whats he thinking ? they run the ball..alot

Chiefs and SeaHawks

are out of the running for Manning.

He'll talk to Titans, but I doubt that amounts to much at all...?

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Originally Posted by ram29jackson

He'll talk to Titans, but I doubt that amounts to much at all...?

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Uhm ... why? Bud Adams has publicly said that he wants Manning more than any other free agent. And the guy's got a little bit of a history in Tennessee ...