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I'll be honest, I didn't see the big fuss about the PS3 demo graphics so I might not be the best person to ask. That said, what are the specific complaints? Would static comparison images work (from demo to retail) or would it require video? Is it screen hitches, tears, etc. or just general quality?Quote:
Originally Posted by pistonica
Haven't really done much testing. To be comfortable with answering that definitively, I'll want to do a fair amount of more testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by fsuprime
Only difference I see is the PS3 colors looked washed out a little and don't pop like the 360 retail version videos. That is about it.
In my opinion the whole quality...the contour,the outlines of the players are interrupted...and with a lot of glimpse...my only problem are the players..they look roughQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
As Guru mentioned, watch some of the videos that we've posted and see if that helps you decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by pistonica
I've seen them...and they look good..but on youtube...things can be misleading...so i was wondering if any of you PLAYED the retail version on ps3.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
EA never seems to get kickoffs right. They are either overpowered or non-existent. That said I'd rather have the kickoffs how they are now than what we had last year. Those were ZERO fun and extremely unrealistic. I had to super-sim them they were so bad.
Yes. Those videos that are embedded on the homepage are uploaded by members of this site, including myself. But like I said, I didn't see much problem with the demo version so I'm not the best to judge.Quote:
Originally Posted by pistonica
It could be from me this problem with the graphics....the display or games settings on my ps3 might be messed up...or..can it be like this because i am from europe...? I don't know...i am thinking at anything right now...i just want that the full game to be the same as yours :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
if the graphics look "good" over youtube after being processed and sqaushed, then im pretty sure you will be fine with them on retail disc... i mentioned that the people from this site have played the games i linked you to...
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A couple gameplay bugs in the demo, wanted to know if they were fixed in the retail version. Apologies if this was already answered somewhere.
1. In the demo, you cannot flip an offensive play or audible to a different play until all players are finished lining up and are set. In NCAA 11 and past versions of the game, you can flip or audible immediately after breaking the huddle (or, in no-huddle, immediately after you've called a play).
2. Couldn't get an intentional grounding flag in the demo, no matter how hard I tried to trigger one.
Lets have a nice civil discussion about gameplay issues, since this is the gameplay thread.
First Video:
4:38 - first play from scrimmage illustrates EA's fundamental misunderstanding of the shotgun running game. This is a clear example of the "BD-Veer." (can I say broke-di*K?) In the play art in the huddle, it shows the QB's path going toward the right side of the formation. When you get to the line, however, the QB's path follows the RBs path off to the left. On other formations where the RB's path is more to the outside, the backfield action resembles an inverted veer, which Nebraska got a lot of mileage out of last year in real life... could be cool, except for the fact that THE BLOCKING IS WRONG. For some reason, EA left the blocking so that the backside DE is the option read (also note that the pre-snap play blockign art seems to be broken this year as it shows him being double teamed... odd, and also frustrating*) This results in a fully BROKEN play. If a backside DE is allowed to crash with this backfield action, he can play both the dive and the QB, as is seen in the video (gschwendt sees the DE crash on the HB so keeps it, but the DE still tackles him for a loss). I'm not sure if EA messed up the backfield action or the blocking scheme, but there are a lot of formations where the "read option" will be fundamentally broken for the same reason. From the demo, we see the same thing in shotgun formations with the HB on the weak side (Shotgun y-trips hb wk). First play, not off to an auspicious start, but I'm glad you covered it so that I could address it. This is not a matter of opinion and it is not nit-picking, EA has really dropped the ball by breaking the zone read from many of these formations.
*On the busted play art note, I think there is something funky/broken about the blocking shown before the snap this year. Another example can be seen when you run the triple option at 6:30 and the blocking art flickers a couple of times but then right before the play shows the optioned DE being blocked. This could be very confusing for someone who doesn't understand who is being optioned.
As "community representatives," I think that the community expects you guys to be able to see and recognize these types of problems. I mean, isn't that the point of the whole community interaction thing in the first place? When I see a video in which the very first play contains a perfect example of a broken play, I have to ask: are you not noticing that sort of thing, or do you notice it and just choose not to bring it up? Am I expecting too much from my community representatives?
Just so you don't think I'm a negative nancy here, lets talk about some good things... I noticed a shotgun counter at about the 6:00 mark. Shotgun counters were woeful in the past, and this actually looks really nice. I love the way the left tackle starts by taking a pass block stance, letting the DE come up field before blocking him out, which allows the guard to pull through the hole. The hand off animation is also sped up enough to work. This is the type of little "correct" detail that I love. The broken shotgun counters were something that I harped on constantly for the last few years, so it was awesome to see an example of it well executed.
Another gameplay note: I'd also like to know if you guys have noticed any issues with streaks run by outside WRs running right past deep zones. It is VERY easy to see in the demo, and I'd like to know if it is that way in the retail version. I only had time to watch the first video and didn't notice any streak routes run against zone coverage.
Pretty sure they bring these things up plus collect feedback on sites like this one to consolidate and share with the NCAA team.Quote:
As "community representatives," I think that the community expects you guys to be able to see and recognize these types of problems. I mean, isn't that the point of the whole community interaction thing in the first place? When I see a video in which the very first play contains a perfect example of a broken play, I have to ask: are you not noticing that sort of thing, or do you notice it and just choose not to bring it up? Am I expecting too much from my community representatives?
I doubt each and every one of them is a football expert on every formation, play concept and execution, and philosophy out there. Even sites like Smartfootball, which has lots of good info, comes across new tweaks and such all the time found on the real field.
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Originally Posted by Gator3guy
Agreed. In the Illinois video on I think the first kickoff the return man takes it up the middle and it looked like the blockers held their blocks perfectly. In the demo basically what happens is everyone just runs in a blob towards the middle and you have no choice but to run into everyone. Looks better in the retail version.
It wasn't an insult, it was an honest question. No need to get defensive. ;) As you so astutely noticed, perhaps tact isn't my strong suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
The bottom half of your response seems to indicate that you believe I'm simply expecting too much. Perhaps you are right.
:D I laughed when I saw that for the first time last night. Guys are getting fancy:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Deuce
You termed it 'representatives' yourself, right? They represent all of the football gamers that choose to comment. They are not called 'X&O experts'. :)Quote:
The bottom half of your response seems to indicate that you believe I'm simply expecting too much. Perhaps you are right.
That's just my opinion.
Here's my take... you're welcome to dissect it however you choose.
For the first play in that video, I'm not sure that the DE commits either way to the HB or QB, certainly not a dedicated, hard commit like we mostly saw last year. It was hard to read but I'm honestly curious what would have happened had I handed it off to the HB, would the DE have been able to make a play? As for the playart, I agree that it seems odd on the field with the QB angled to 11 o'clock... in the playcall and in the actual execution, everything carries to 3 o'clock as you'd expect. With the pre-play blocking logic that's shown, this is the first time I believe I'm seeing the "fluid" blocking art, I don't recall seeing it in previous community events and obviously in '11 it was less dynamic.
For both though... at the community events, I don't specifically recall seeing the wrong QB arrow nor the blocking art technically saying it's picking up the DE (even though it doesn't). It may have been there and I just overlooked it but it didn't stick out to me. I think the blocking is due to the new fluid blocking art and just a bug in the programming for that.
All of that said, we're certainly capable of missing things whether at community events or even months after owning the game, but I promise that we do give tons of feedback in an attempt to get as much correct as we can possibly influence.
For the deep zones, I'm still trying to put my finger on it but something does seem to be wrong. There's a play in one of my gameplay videos I posted earlier (I think the second one) where I throw a streak to the outside WR. The SS is playing deep zone doesn't bail out in time and as a result gets beat deep. I don't know if that's the same issue you're seeing but I have seen it happen... not sure if it's happening 50% of the time and should only happen 5% or if it's happening more or less or anything. However, we have forwarded that on to the developers in our discussion since just yesterday as a talking point.
Cool, I appreciate the response. From what I've seen on the read options (at least in the demo) if the DE takes the dive, he will also get the QB for a loss if he keeps it (on the BDV plays). If the DE stays home, the play works overly well whether you keep or give. Simply put, the blocking does not match the backfield action on those "read option" plays from hb weak formations. The problem is more readily apparent on the shotgun weak formations where the hb takes an outside path and the QB will run to the same side as the HB.
I'm glad someone else is noticing the deep zone problem, as I thought I was taking crazy pills there for a minute. Might want to check out the pistol read options as well, as it is impossible to give to the HB on the "read option" from some of the formations (though some claim to be able to do it, so who knows... I tried it 20+ times and was never able to give, no matter what I tried).
Travis, do you know this forum is for the retail version of the game?
That's fixed in retail. I experienced the same issue in the demo but in retail I was able to successfully hand off and had fair success with it as well (granted all in practice mode).Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Travis
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Originally Posted by JBHuskers
Yes, which is why I was responding to things I saw in the video of the retail version of the game. As an aside, I also mentioned a couple of problems that were prevalent in the demo, since some of the others (BDV) seemed to carry over from the demo to retail version. Is this not the appropriate place to ask about whether or not the pistol zone reads are broken in the retail version?
Cool, thanks for checking.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Travis, I think you missed a post: http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/for...ll=1#post74692
Retail questions do go here.
Guys, let me know if my post above is appropriate here (I'm essentially asking if these are still issues in the retail version), or if I need to post somewhere else. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwallace0317
I saw it, I just forgot to quote his post in my response. It's all good.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinWolv
Those are fine to ask, I'll just have to check on them later this evening since I didn't check on either of those yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwallace0317
These plays are something I was planning on going over tonight. I've confirmed that the inverted veer and midline are not in the game. Once I get a chance to go through them I'll be able to give more information and pass the info onto the devs.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Travis
Like gschwendt stated even with as much time we had with the game this year its impossible to touch everything especially when you factor in we are basically trying to change a tire while the car is moving in a lot of cases. While we are in the studio the build changes from day to day and in some cases could change from morning to afternoon. In those cases the first thing all of us would do is check to make sure everything was implemented correctly suggest tweaks if needed then go back to checking other issues.
Very good point, Mike. It's something the community just doesn't understand. It's not like we've been sitting around playing the retail game since January. If people saw what we saw at various stages, it'd make things clearer for them. Unfortunately, they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneback
Another thing that, generally, escapes the community's grasp is that every tweak can have a negative impact somewhere else. It's a very delicate balancing act to try to get everything to react properly in every situation.
After looking at JB's apple cup videos thekickoff and punt returns look great. The lanes are there and the possibilities for returns definitely exist now and it look much better than the demo in a good way. I pray to god they keep it the way it is because I really want there to be a return game this year as opposed to the non-existant one we had last year. It looks really good right now!!
Has anyone had a chance to check this out? I'm talking about 3 players, same console in an offline dynasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera1968
Thanks!
I'll try to check that this evening for you but I would expect it would be the same as it was in NCAA11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pantera1968
on defense- what kind of timing do you need to swat ball with L1 button?
do you have to time it or is like a ps2 past version where you could keep L1 pressed and he wouldnt jump till the ball got there...? any other new nuance about swating this year ?
It's basically the same as it was on NCAA11 but in case you weren't aware, you can hold it down and it will time the swat for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ram29jackson
well, thats cool, of course, but I did ask because in the demo, it didnt seem responsive or my timing was off etc...it may be the only thing that keeps me from looking really bad in games hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
I apologize to whoever asked the question as I've lost where it was asked, but the defensive assist (:ps3x:/:360a:) is in the game this year.
1. It appears as though you cannot flip the play as the team is approaching the line. Oddly, you can call it once (but they don't flip) but after that, pressing :ps3sq: doesn't respond until you get to the line. I'll try to keep testing this but right now I'd say it's probably the same as is in the demo.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwallace0317
2. This does appear to be a bug... snapped the ball and immediately pressed :ps3R1: and no flag was thrown.
I'm going to pass #2 along to the devs, I'll wait until I have more research for #1.
On second thought... I just called hail mary and a shotgun play, waited a second or two, then threw it away and intentional grounding was caused. I then went back and tested an under center play and no penalty was called. I'm starting to think that it may be happening only on under center plays. Let me know if you find the same thing in the demo or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Have you noticed if the pancake bug has been fixed? Also have users been able to record 1/2 sacks?
I have had 0.5 sacks, yes. With pancakes, if you are asking if entire defensive lines are being demolished at the snap, no, they are not. If you're asking about stat-tracking, I only checked once and it appeared to be the same as NCAA 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geauxlden