Although it seems an outside run is more likely to bust wide open on press plays because your cbs get blocked better, being closer to the wr.
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Although it seems an outside run is more likely to bust wide open on press plays because your cbs get blocked better, being closer to the wr.
Today's play is up if someone wants to post it here... I can only get to it on my phone while at work. It's a new 3-3-5 formation & play that looks pretty nice. Never really used the 3-3-5 before so I'll defer to gschwendt on this one.
3-3-5 Okie NCAA Blitz 3- The 3-3-5 Okie formation is new to NCAA Football 12. This formation allows teams that base out of the 3-3-5 defense to get into a more rational “3-4 Normal” look. A widely used scheme from this look is the NCAA Blitz 3 which is a three deep, three under fire zone scheme.
I love that they're adding new formations to the 3-3-5! This formation looks like it would be great against 3WR sets as one SS is already deep and the other is up on the line. Would love to be able to browse the rest of the formation to see what else it has. Personally though I would rarely (if ever) run this play as I hate 3-under zone defenses.
Interesting, I'm with you G as I never really run a 3 under defense. Just doesn't work for me I guess.
I like that there is a "new" formation in the 3-3-5 as well. Very cool.
so far both offensively and defensively the plays they are rolling out are showing a lot of versatility. I am happy to see a concept like this that gives one formation a little more flavor in the way it lines up and attacks the offense. This is not an every down play, but gives a little bit of a different look to the offense. I would imagine there will be at least another play from the 'okie' look, probably a man concept, so that it can't be completely diagnosed from just the way the D lines up.
Never really ran the 3-3-5 but that formation looks solid and depending on the plays in it could have me itching to try something different.
wonder if i show blitz how will the blitz angles will be, but i like the diversity in plays.
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Originally Posted by gschwendt
As you two probably both know from playing me so many times, I love under defenses. So I'd certainly be willing to add it to the repertoire. At the very least, having a Cover 3 shell gives me some versatility over the Cover 2 looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
hopefully this new formation gets a ton of other plays with it, that arent gonna be shown in the release of the 25 new plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
JDewiel said on PastaPadre that there are more than 25 plays, they're just advertising these specific 25.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
well thats some good news!Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffHCross
Quarters Normal Dbl Loop 3 - With the ever increasing popularity of spread style offenses in NCAA Football, we made the decision to add the Quarters Normal formation to the game. The Quarters normal formation features three down linemen, one linebacker, and seven defensive backs. DBL Loop 3 is an overload fire zone concept that’s used to bring pressure to the weak side of the offense.
wooo a Quarters normal. Hopefully, it can at least slow down the spread passing attacks some.
this must mean there's another quarters defensive alignment if they gave it the "normal" designation. right?
I'm sure they kept the 3-deep Quarters that is in NCAA11.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
I like this. Not a bad thing, be interesting to see how this play looks in action. With so much pressure on the interior I hope guys can bat a few balls down.
ya, i'm sure of it too. why would they take it out? i meant like if they added the dollar formation thats been in madden the past couple of years or something like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Yeah, NCAA has had 3-deep for a while, while Madden's had both Quarters Normal and Quarters 3-Deep depending on your playbook.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp
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Originally Posted by cdj
I like this! Well done EA! Now let's just hope that ZONE D is fixed for 12 or all of this is for not...
New formations always welcome. Hopefully offense is not running a flat route when you call this play...
Would rather the offense call a flat route when I'm playing 3+-Under than call a post when I'm playing 2-Deep :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrah
No kidding. Finally something with some pressure hopefully while keeping open routes underneath the coverage on long downs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
Nickel 2-4-5 Slant Zone 2 – Nickel 2-4-5 Slant Zone 2 from a coverage standpoint is a standard 2 deep, 4 under fire zone pressure. The play calls for the two inside linebackers in the 2-4-5 formation to move to each side of the formation to show blitz. Combined with the pre-snap movement of the nickel cornerback, remaining linebackers, and both defensive tackles, the play gives the look of an “exotic” blitz scheme in which any combination of the players could blitz.
I don't like the fact the middle of the field will be open for a few seconds waiting for people to get into their zones. Quick routes over the middle look like they will destroy this play. Have to wait and see.
Unless they have some sort of new animation or trigger that says "sprint to" for them to get to their spot in the zone. I'll be interested in seeing this play in action and curious if they have other plays in this or other formations that have similar fake blitz coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryby6969
It won't help if a TE lines up to the right side of the formation and runs a streak though. Especially if he has any quickness at all. It also looks like a run to the right might be money also. Like you said though, maybe they did other things to make plays like this work. I really wish they would bring back delayed blitzes.
I actually like this play. It would be really good in 3rd and long/medium situations. Of course, slants by slot receivers and routes by the tight end across the middle could really hurt this defense. I just LOVE that the defense is gettin' some LOVE this year. Hopefully, the AI is improved as well as all of this is for not if zone coverage still completely sucks.
Wish the corner was in a purple zone, but I can adjust to that. I like the look of it, definitely want to see how the alignment will be when I show blitz.
Love anything new on defense. Like any of the plays they've released, a lot depends on the changes made/not made to gameplay.
I think a big part of this play will be the pre-snap look. As stated above, if you know it's coming, the middle will be open momentarily. How "momentarily" remains to be seen. I'm with Kwizzy on this one.
:) New "exotic" blitzes and more presnap movement in general are going to be welcome, especially from this particular formation imo. I think the key to the play will be calling it in the right situation and "setting it up" correctly. All blitzes have openings in them. My only fear vs the cpu is that the cpu will snap the ball too quick for the presnap movement to take place, leaving the user players out of position when they make their moves to their zones.
Bingo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayrah
However, if you're not expecting this play (I'm hoping the pre-snap movement doesn't telegraph it), then you'll have to hope you have the right play called.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryby6969
Nickel 2-4-5 Cover 3 Bluff - The complimentary play to the Nickel 2-4-5 Slant Zone 2, the Nickel 2-4-5 Cover 3 Bluff uses the exact same pre-snap movement by the linebackers, defensive tackles, and nickel cornerback. This scheme falls in line with what’s known as an “illusion” defense. The defense gives the offense the appearance of an all out blitz with the exotic look, but in reality it’s a basic 3 deep, 4 under zone coverage.
Nice! Welp this at least shows that they recognize the need to provide similar looks for different plays. Lets hope this theme has carried throughout all of the plays in the game.
loving these defensive looks and the variations that will keep people guessing. perhaps the game will be a little more balanced than in years past.
True! People have seen the same play for 5yrs now with no real change so when you line up they know what D your in and the have a counter for it. casual players have no chance!. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CLW
Shizzle your right. I take it back then. Bring back no knowledge required NCAA Football. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by xRomo9
Couldn't agree more. I like what I'm seeing so far. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwizzy