Being a local, did anyone else find it weird that there were so many cheers and applause when the doors opened?
Had to love Central PA represented by the lady holding a paper plate with the word GUILTY on it :D
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Being a local, did anyone else find it weird that there were so many cheers and applause when the doors opened?
Had to love Central PA represented by the lady holding a paper plate with the word GUILTY on it :D
No, but without Joe on the sidelines, granted it was only a matter of time anyways before he eventually wouldn't be on the sidelines anymore, Penn State needs to hope that their new coach was a good hire and try not to fall into a cycle of revolving coaches and mediocre or worse seasons like so many other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
I don't think anyone around here thinks that O'Brein will be here very long. My personal belief is we have Bill O, for 2/3 years max and then the following happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
After talking to someone very close to things I like what he told me. Al Golden wants the PSU job but given everything surrounding the program he didn't want to be that guy to take over given the circumstances. Al wants to bring his staff and a few others that have discussed things that would be really interesting.
Thankfully, that ANIMAL will be put behind bars for the rest of his life.
Of course, this is hardly the end for Penn State here. I believe there are still ongoing criminal investigations as well as two perjury charges. Depending on any applicable statute of limitations University officials could be charged as well as accomplices if they knew/should have known and basically covered it up.
On the sports side of things I also wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA conducted its own investigation and I could easily see a "lack of institutional control" ruling leading to sanctions and possibly even a death penalty.
The reality is IF Penn State's athletic department officials knew what Sandusky was doing and/or should have known and turned a blind eye to it those actions are IMHO far worse than ANY college scandal that I can think of. This is far worse than paying players, recruiting violations etc...
Again IF its as bad as alleged the storm at Penn State has only just begun and this process will likely take YEARS before the dust finally settles.
:D
my friends emails, they are Nebraska fans and heres the stuff they sent the last 24 hours :D
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I thought that they were replacing the lion with the Tickle Monster? I heard that It looks kinda like the Stanford Cardinal except for it has Sandusky's face.
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While the jury affirmed the horrible acts that took place, it was ten years too late because of the lack action taken by PSU administrators. As long as they clean house and strengthen their reporting policies and procedures, I will pull for them as big 10 brethren. I think theyre headed in the right direction. They should replace the nittany lion mascot with Tony the Tiger, just so people know they're serious too.
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If the adopt Tony I will relax my stance a bit
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I'm celebrating the guilty verdict and the coming case against Penn State. The State Attorney General refused to comment about Penn State due to the pending case. Needless to say and nothing personal Perry, I will be rooting against Penn State for a long time. I hope they get theirs for turning a blind eye to what this creep was doing and allowing him to hang around the university after they knew something. I will be pissed if the creep gets protective rights inside the prison walls. The prisoners will let him know pay back is a bitch.
and for the heck of it,one friends comment about college playoffs
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Yah, I know, but what would our lives be like without Capital One Bowl Week on ESPN? It's so annoying listening to ESPN espouse the virtues of a coach's resume by saying how he has turned around a program by taking them to their first bowl in 20 years, even though their record was 6-6.
The Big 10 is scared of a playoff, and are using the Rose Bowl as a shield. They had 10 of 12 teams make bowl games last year earning close to $46.5 million. Keeping the Rose Bowl affiliation guarantees about $22.3 million of that pie. With the total bowl pie at over $259 million, that gives the Big 10 about an 18% share. The conference has sent the most teams to BCS bowls since its inception (even ahead of the SEC), thus, a nearsighted view of a playoff would suggest that the conference could lose $, or their percentage share could drop. Also, an equal share of the net earnings (revenues less bowl expeneses) from the bowls goes to the B10 league office, where I'm sure Delany is ripe to award himself a raise on an annual basis.
Establishing a playoff that guarantees that dollar amount doesn't drop and keeps growing is why we'll be left with lackluster bowls and a 4-team scenario where the title game is bid out to the highest bidder. Hopefully interest in the bowls will drop, while the "playoff" games gain more momentum.
CLW there is zero chance the NCAA would ever want to walk that fine line of getting involved in handing out punishments to institutions for criminal charges.
They have zero jurisdiction in making these kind of decisions and would never have the man power or attorneys to handle all these problems within Universities.
Yes this one is terrible and disheartening but so is murder, burglary, drug trafficking, domestic violence, and so on and so on. Just no way to handle the shear volume of cases they would face before them.
No the NCAA cannot obviously criminally charge the university/officials (that is a job for the Commonwealth and/or U.S. gov'ts). However, they can lay the ban hammer down after a program has been involved in criminal activity/cover ups. See :Baylor: basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
But the difference is Baylor used theirs to gain an advantage to win games. This was in no way used to recruit or win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
This article which states the difference between the two.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-not-from-ncaa
My only issue would be, why would you take action against the football team? Yes he was a former coach, but as Snoop said, it wasn't anything helping them to win games. IF there was a cover up, it was the AD, the head of police and the president. I think that if actions are taken by the NCAA it has to be against the university as a whole or the athletic department as a whole. This isn't a football issue.
Another article here that to me breaks things down better.
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-...ack-of-control
Jail inmates taunt Sandusky with Pink Floyd anthem
After being stripped of all dignity and facing a minimum of 60 years in prison on child sex abuse convictions, it's been reported that disgraced ex-coach Jerry Sandusky was further shamed upon arriving at a Bellefonte prison by inmates taunting him with rounds of the lyric "Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone" from "The Wall." Prisoners at the Centre County Correctional Facility were prohibited from direct communication with the former Penn State coach but could see him, and when the lights went down, they began serenading the convict with the classic Pink Floyd anthem through the walls. Sandusky is on suicide watch, and his lawyers have said they plan to appeal the guilty verdict.
http://now.msn.com/now/0624-sandusky...?ocid=ansnow11
:D Goddamn, those prisoners are awesome. I love prison justice sometimes. :D
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I'll just say this: You don't think covering up a sex scandal can be viewed as gaining an advantage to win games? Imagine if it hadn't been covered up all those years ago and it came out that the D-Coordinator was raping boys. I think that would hurt Penn State on the recruiting trail which in turn would hurt them in winning games. I would imagine that one of the big factors many recruits/recruits parents liked about Penn State was its image as being squeaky clean. Take that away from them in the Midwest/Rust Belt and it basically becomes "The U" which might fly down on South Beach but doesn't to a large chunk of the kids Penn State has recruited in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
You might think it is a stretch but honestly I cannot think of any other reason why someone would cover up the fact that a man was raping/molesting children. (again this assumes it can be proven of an actual cover up or turning a blind eye to it)
The rabbit hole gets even deeper.
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Report: Officials exchanged emails
Former Penn State officials exchanged emails in 2001 to determine how they would deal with allegations of inappropriate behavior against Jerry Sandusky, according to a CNN report.
According to the report, emails between former Penn State officials Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier show the trio initially planned to tell authorities about the allegations against Sandusky, who was convicted on 45 of 48 charges against him last week.
However, the three men opted not to alert authorities after speaking with "Joe," according to the report.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," read one of the emails, according to CNN.
During the Sandusky trial, prosecutors said Schultz, a Penn State vice president, kept a secret file containing allegations of inappropriate behavior against Sandusky that directly contradicted statements Schultz made to the grand jury investigating the disgraced former defensive coordinator under longtime coach Joe Paterno.
"The commonwealth has come into possession of computer data (again, subpoenaed long ago but not received from PSU until after the charges had been filed in this case) in the form of emails between Schultz, Curley and others that contradict their testimony before the Grand Jury," the document states.
The document also states that Schultz, who also oversaw the school's police force, "created, maintained and possessed" the file.
Yeah this shit smells to high heaven and just a hunch but I suspect LOTS of "higher ups" at the university knew about it and then covered it up. Lots of people should go to jail as accessories to a child molester.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Yeah, I'm going to assume this is not the end by far in regards to trials and court cases related to the whole issue. I have a feeling there are going to be some former and current university higher ups that could be facing charges, and as you said, should be facing charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
If there are members of the BOT that get imprisoned, I'll be pleased.
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I'm going to try to wait till more is learned then just a clip from an email context that no one has officially seen or can speak of only to theorize the subject matter.
But whomever leaked said context certainly gained what they were looking for in gaining the publics outcry when in fact if they could just handle thing properly in this god foresaken case everyone would be on board and calling for justice anyways. I want justice, but I also want facts too. One without the other just isn't fair.
Again though, yes you can tie it into that it kept the image clean by covering it up, of that is proven to be the case. But I'm not the only one that thinks it would be an unprecedented step by the NCAA to get involved and laying out punishment for criminal activities relating to Universities.
Sure anyone can tie the LOIC into play but until more information is gathered and processed I don't see it in play given the "factual" date at present. PSU lawyers would have a field day going through history of cases which have involved criminals associated with Universities and it wouldn't be pretty. Everyone just needs to wait, be patient, and just allow the facts to come out. Once there then we can judge.
Great statement by the Paterno family asking for all the emails to released, not just carefully picked snips.
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From the moment the Jerry Sandusky crisis erupted, Joe Paterno patiently and persistently called for a thorough and professional investigation. He abhorred the rush to judgment that occurred last November and he spoke out forcefully for a comprehensive review that protected no one while preserving due process for everyone. Coach Paterno emphasized that the best way to serve the victims and protect the reputation of Penn State was by a total commitment to uncovering the full truth.
With the leaking of selective emails over the last few days, it is clear that someone in a position of authority is not interested in a fair or thorough investigation. To be clear, the Paterno family does not know the source or sources of these leaks. The question that needs to be asked is why this breach of confidentiality, which seeks to preempt the Freeh report and undermine the courts, is not being objected to or otherwise addressed by those in a position of authority. It should not be the responsibility of the Paterno family to call for an honest, independent investigation. Given the seriousness and complexity of this case, everyone should be demanding the full truth, not just carefully selected excerpts of certain emails.
Releasing these emails in this way is not intended to inform the discussion but to smear former Penn State officials, including Joe Paterno. The truth is Joe Paterno reported the 2001 incident promptly and fully. He was interviewed by the Grand Jury for a total of 8 minutes and told the truth to the best of his recollection. He was never interviewed by the University. He was not afforded due process and his story was never fully told. And he was never allowed to see the files and records that are now in question. In spite of these facts, however, numerous pundits and critics are exploiting these disconnected and distorted records to attack Joe Paterno.
Accordingly, the Paterno family today is calling on the Freeh Group and the Attorney General's office to immediately release all emails and records they have related to this case. The public should not have to try and piece together a story from a few records that have been selected in a calculated way to manipulate public opinion. Joe Paterno didn't fear the truth, he sought the truth. His guidance to his family and his advisors was to pursue the full truth. This is the course we have followed for 9 months. It is the course we will follow to the end.