The Anything Thread

I'm guessing we don't see eye-to-eye politically, MVP, but ... honest opinion, are/were McCain/Palin, Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Mitch McConnell really in touch with the American people? Is ANY politician with any clout in their party (the Tea Party seems to have lost practically all clout within the right) actually in touch with the American people?

Personally, I'm not happy with the job Obama has done. But I'm also highly skeptical that anyone else could have (or will have, in the upcoming election) done better. And I don't mean in a "You think you could do better than me" challenge kind of way ... more of a "I think we're so screwed up politically that neither party will get shit done" kind of way.

I hate all politicians, regardless of party affiliation. They're all liars. They're all scum. They're all out for themselves.

That said, when I'm flipping the channels and I see Chris Christie talking, I stop and watch. He's funny, seems like a regular guy etc. He's probably an ass though. Who knows?

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we'll never know for sure if they could have done a better job.....imo, it depends on the politician's upbringing/surrounding community more than anything. if they grew up in an urban environment, they're gonna be clueless no matter what....whereas, the politicians who have some sort of rural background seem to have a much better track record of "knowing" what the people they represent want.

obama recently delivered a speech at CU- boulder talking to CU students about student loans and similar items. he had the nerve to say that he didnt come from a wealthy family and had racked up more money in student loans than the mortgage on his first house. what he didnt tell the students, was that he went to harvard law school. seriously, what 18/19 year old in this country, who comes from a median/low income family is able to go to harvard law? its situations like that, when obama lies in an attempt to relate to the majority of the country that piss me off more than anything.

I think in that case the school was irrelevant. Do u know how many people rack up more student loan debt then there first home? My brother did especially after he finished law school himself. So I get what he is saying about the entire system.

I agree with everything g posted in his last message. I don't think where they are from rural or urban as anything to do with it you really need someone who doesn't give a shit if he pisses off his/her party and does what is right but good luck finding that person?

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Because this is about politics, I'll make my one (long) post and get out of it unless someone asks me a question or wants me to respond to something. It's civil now but we all know how fast it can derail.

Before I start, I'll make my allegiance known. I'm a very happy independent. I think both sides are right and I think both sides are wrong. I think the 2-party system is the best thing and the worst thing about our political system. It's good because it sparks debate and allow 2 viewpoints to be heard. It's HORRIBLE because people follow their side blindly, hating all opposing viewpoints by default. My wife is a Democrat and will vote Democrat no matter if the candidate is qualified or not. It bothers me to no end but there's nothing I can say or do to make her realize that an all-Democrat government is just as bad as an all-Republican government (too much power with no resistance).

Now, I don't think Obama is doing a bad job (Full disclosure: I voted for Obama). Where we were when he was elected, we were DEEP in a pile of shit and no one can just magically fix the shit we were in. And as powerful as we make the president out to be, we all know the real power is in Congress (as it ought to be). The problem is that Congress works with a hive mentality. Democrats want A, Republicans want B. instead of compromising and finding solution AB, they just don't do shit until they have enough seats to make A or B possible just by pure numbers alone. That makes all the fans of A or B happy but pisses off the other side thus making everyone divisive. You're with us or against us. Hello! We're all in the same fucking boat! I mean, take the "Buffet rule" thing. Would it solve our financial crisis? Nope. But if Buffet's secretary is paying a higher percentage in taxes, doesn't that seem a bit unfair? In the words of Chris Rock in Head of State, "That ain't right!"

But anyway, back to Obama, it's a little unfair to think that as president, he has to spend every waking minute of the day trying to fix America. He's still a human being and he really can't do anything without Congress anyway. And even if he does do something (like Obamacare), you then have everyone who opposes anything taking it to the Supreme Court. So basically, nothing can ever really get done because if it were McCain were in office, it would be the same thing, in reverse. And while I have no problem with disagreeing with Obama's policies, calling him a dumbass is a bit extreme. He's obviously a very well educated man who can sweet talk the panties off a virgin. Now, the previous president, that guy.......well......I have no comments but I'm sure you can guess what I'm getting at.

Anyway, this country is going to Hell and there's no way to really stop the bleeding. The extreme ends of every issue get all the media attention and get people all riled up and the sensible people in the middle are "socialists" or "cowards" for not taking a stand against the "evil" of the other side. Nothing gets done and when shit actually does get done, it's not through compromise but through force.

I knew you having that southern miss avartar wasn't a sign of your intelligence level, turns out you are a smart guy. LOL :D:P

Just messing with you man.

P.S Obama has made some pretty questionable decisions in his presidency, though I don't think any of them have been as egregious as the other political parties have made them out to be.

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Originally Posted by oweb26

I knew you having that southern miss avartar wasn't a sign of your intelligence level, turns out you are a smart guy. LOL :D:P

Just messing with you man.

P.S Obama has made some pretty questionable decisions in his presidency, though I don't think any of them have been as egregious as the other political parties have made them out to be.

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LOL! Huked own fonix werkd fo mii.

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Originally Posted by souljahbill

But anyway, back to Obama, it's a little unfair to think that as president, he has to spend every waking minute of the day trying to fix America. He's still a human being and he really can't do anything without Congress anyway. And even if he does do something (like Obamacare), you then have everyone who opposes anything taking it to the Supreme Court. So basically, nothing can ever really get done because if it were McCain were in office, it would be the same thing, in reverse. And while I have no problem with disagreeing with Obama's policies, calling him a dumbass is a bit extreme. He's obviously a very well educated man who can sweet talk the panties off a virgin. Now, the previous president, that guy.......well......I have no comments but I'm sure you can guess what I'm getting at.

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if we were just comparing IQ levels of the two, then yeah, i'd probably agree. but since we're talking about knowing how to run a country, bullshit. fwiw, i'm about as far republican as one can get. so i fail to see the logic at why people want a democrat in office, especially one who's blatantly shown he supports more governmental control in everyone's life. thats partly why i vote republican. i want to have the liberty to do what i want to do (within reason), i want to drive what i want to drive, i want to decide what kind of insurance is right for me, whenever i meet my future wife i want to decide what food i give my future kids, etc. the list goes on and on. imo, more freedom is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

if we were just comparing IQ levels of the two, then yeah, i'd probably agree. but since we're talking about knowing how to run a country, bullshit. fwiw, i'm about as far republican as one can get. so i fail to see the logic at why people want a democrat in office, especially one who's blatantly shown he supports more governmental control in everyone's life. thats partly why i vote republican. i want to have the liberty to do what i want to do (within reason), i want to drive what i want to drive, i want to decide what kind of insurance is right for me, whenever i meet my future wife i want to decide what food i give my future kids, etc. the list goes on and on. imo, more freedom is a good thing.

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I don't think there is one definitive indicator that says someone is ready to run or isn't ready run a country. I do believe that the republicans are as much in my life as the democrats are they are just better at hiding it behind the demos. Everything you just named are very extreme examples and is really the whole fucked up think about politics. They will try to scare the shit out of you to get there point across, I haven't heard not one time that I cannot drive what I want to drive, or eat what I want to eat. Hell there is even a restaurant titled "Heart attack Grill". As far as the Insurance business goes I personally don't believe in the government mandated option but I understand why its there.

What they don't tell you is the tax payers are footing the bill anyway on people without insurance, so if mandating (which it is still optional BTW) that people get the insurance or pay a fine for "repeat offenders" then I am okay with that. I have worked in that field before so I know how much it is abused and how people even refuse to get insurance through there jobs if its too expensive and just go get the free stuff again which isn't really free. I have even sold insurance where people have gotten declined for some of the most asinine reasons, because they fell out of some mathematicians risk chart.

The whole food thing is driven not really by any political party its driven by people trying to tell everyone how to raise there kids I can point out where Fox news has spread fear about foods just as much as I can point CSNBC. I think that's becoming a cultural thing that the news is just blowing up beyond belief. I completely agree with you on your sentiments though I refuse to let any letter of the law tell me how to raise my kids, be it I am a good parent or a bad parent they are my kids, as long as I am not abusing them I should be left alone.

I consider myself an independent mostly because I don't blindly follow anyone, for me it boils down to who I agree with the most at that time.

Just found out that a good friend of mine is getting divorced. REALLY sucks because it seemed like they were really great together. Of course, at first, I thought the bitch was annoying as hell, but she had grown on me and I felt like she was part of the "family" and now that's gone. Not sure how to think really but I feel bad for the guy.

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Originally Posted by baseballplyrmvp

more governmental control in everyone's life.

imo, more freedom is a good thing.

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Since you mentioned control ... Boehner said today that CISPA (which passed the House today) was opposed by the White House because the Democrats want the government to control the Internet. From here:

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Basically this means CISPA can no longer be called a cybersecurity bill at all. The government would be able to search information it collects under CISPA for the purposes of investigating American citizens with complete immunity from all privacy protections as long as they can claim someone committed a "cybersecurity crime".

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Does that sounds like more government control, or less government control to you? I obviously don't buy into Boehner's comment (but I practically never agree with anything he says), but either way ... CISPA bothers me on many levels. Wondered what your take on it is.

Boehner. :D

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Since you mentioned control ... Boehner said today that CISPA (which passed the House today) was opposed by the White House because the Democrats want the government to control the Internet. From here:

Does that sounds like more government control, or less government control to you? I obviously don't buy into Boehner's comment (but I practically never agree with anything he says), but either way ... CISPA bothers me on many levels. Wondered what your take on it is.

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sounds like big brother to me. it'd give the government more unchecked power to involve itself in people's lives and invade our privacy.

left side, right side, indifferent I don't give a flying monkey's ass we are all in this together idiots (politicians), and it's bout time we stop playing tiddly winks and start making some tough decisions.


The fucking Media should also come with a warning label " those easily influenced should only watch for a 2 minute on, 10 minute off". Matter of fact, I'm tired of the Media all together. They can't report anything good, I mean I read on the web somewhere recently that some random guy saved some kids and teenagers from attacking dogs. That would be a hell of a story to focus on, but.....the news rooms thought johnny, who was smoking crack and fucking chickens who shoot someone in Walmarts parking lot was much more news worthy. :fp:

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

left side, right side, indifferent I don't give a flying monkey's ass we are all in this together idiots (politicians), and it's bout time we stop playing tiddly winks and start making some tough decisions.

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This. I don't give a fuck if you're republican, democrat, whatever. Enough of this "we're not going to agree with whatever the other side proposes because it'd upset our hardliner supporters" bullshit. This entire country is fucked, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY IS IN CONTROL, unless everyone is willing to negotiate on shit and work together. An entire all democrat government isn't going to work, an entire all republican government isn't going to work.

Enough of this our way of the highway shit by both parties, and enough of this shit by people voting ONLY a single party just because they consider themselves republicans or democrats. Officially, I'm registered as a democrat as that's what I marked when I registered back in high school. But when actually voting, I'm middle of the line. I vote for both democrats and republicans every election, because I vote for who I consider the best person, the best option to actually pull their heads out of their asses and get something done in goverment for a change, not who is affiliated with which party.

Until everyone in this country starts voting for who is actually the best person for each job, not blindly voting for someone just because of which party they're affiliated with, and until both democrats and republicans pull their heads out of their asses and start working together in Congress, this country is fucked. We're on our way to becoming the United Property of China with all the fucking debt we're swimming in, and everyone in Congress refuses to do anything about it because heaven for-fucking-bid that they actually work together with the people across the aisle in the other party and appear "weak" to their voters back home. It's not us or them in this shit. It's ALL OF US. If the US goes down, we all fucking go down, not just this party or that party, everyone!

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

This. I don't give a fuck if you're republican, democrat, whatever. Enough of this "we're not going to agree with whatever the other side proposes because it'd upset our hardliner supporters" bullshit. This entire country is fucked, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY IS IN CONTROL, unless everyone is willing to negotiate on shit and work together. An entire all democrat government isn't going to work, an entire all republican government isn't going to work.

Enough of this our way of the highway shit by both parties, and enough of this shit by people voting ONLY a single party just because they consider themselves republicans or democrats. Officially, I'm registered as a democrat as that's what I marked when I registered back in high school. But when actually voting, I'm middle of the line. I vote for both democrats and republicans every election, because I vote for who I consider the best person, the best option to actually pull their heads out of their asses and get something done in goverment for a change, not who is affiliated with which party.

Until everyone in this country starts voting for who is actually the best person for each job, not blindly voting for someone just because of which party they're affiliated with, and until both democrats and republicans pull their heads out of their asses and start working together in Congress, this country is fucked. We're on our way to becoming the United Property of China with all the fucking debt we're swimming in, and everyone in Congress refuses to do anything about it because heaven for-fucking-bid that they actually work together with the people across the aisle in the other party and appear "weak" to their voters back home. It's not us or them in this shit. It's ALL OF US. If the US goes down, we all fucking go down, not just this party or that party, everyone!

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Well boys, I think we're all in agreement, our party affiliations be damned.

Which, I really think, is how the newest political generation is going. More independents, more unity against the current political set. It's going to be very interesting to see how the future proceeds.

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Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes

An entire all democrat government isn't going to work, an entire all republican government isn't going to work.

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Eh, an All-Republican government works, in so much as they can actually get shit done. I'll give them credit -- I generally disagree with their politics, but those guys know how to unite. All-Democrat doesn't work because they have so much power they don't know what to do with it. It's like Wile E. Coyote if he actually caught the Roadrunner, or Sylvester if he caught Tweety.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

Well boys, I think we're all in agreement, our party affiliations be damned.

Which, I really think, is how the newest political generation is going. More independents, more unity against the current political set. It's going to be very interesting to see how the future proceeds.

Eh, an All-Republican government works, in so much as they can actually get shit done. I'll give them credit -- I generally disagree with their politics, but those guys know how to unite. All-Democrat doesn't work because they have so much power they don't know what to do with it. It's like Wile E. Coyote if he actually caught the Roadrunner, or Sylvester if he caught Tweety.

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Well, yeah, they can and do actually get shit done, but I'm of the opinion one party should never control both halves of Congress and the White House. That much power to one party can lead to bad ideas and bad things being passed by the government that maybe shouldn't and most likely wouldn't under a two party Congress. The thing is just getting all these idiots in a two party Congress to actually work together instead of refusing to give and take with each other.

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Originally Posted by JeffHCross

All-Democrat doesn't work because they have so much power they don't know what to do with it. It's like Wile E. Coyote if he actually caught the Roadrunner, or Sylvester if he caught Tweety.

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