Penn State Football

Well, looking at the graphic on the Big Ten Network, Wisconsin just got handed the Leaders Division for the next couple years. With Ohio State and Penn State ineligible, no way in hell are Indiana, Illinois and Purdue winning the division.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

How does disabling the football program really make those victims feel better?

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I would think that knowing that a big part of the reason that they continued to be abused (penn st football's importance) being slapped hard would feel pretty good to them JB.

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Originally Posted by Kwizzy

I would think that knowing that a big part of the reason that they continued to be abused (penn st football's importance) being slapped hard would feel pretty good to them JB.

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What about the fact that many of them were still attending football games up until all of this broke? And one of the victims attended games with Jerry as recently as a year or so ago, because he wanted to go to games that bad. Not saying I disagree with the sanctions, just stating a fact. I honestly don't know what those victims are thinking.

Yeah, I don't want to put my thoughts into their heads but I would think that Sandusky being in jail for life, all the accomplices getting tar and feathered, and 60 mil for charities directed other victims would be good enough.

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Originally Posted by Kwizzy

I would think that knowing that a big part of the reason that they continued to be abused (penn st football's importance) being slapped hard would feel pretty good to them JB.

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Yeah but hurting their revenue actually prevents the university from helping the victims even more.

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Damn that new coach must be pissed.

Didn't he leave New England for this job?

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Damn that new coach must be pissed.

Didn't he leave New England for this job?

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Yes he was the OC at NE last year.

Thanks Skip for asking something I could answer without popping a blood vessel :up:

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In regards to the death penalty, I think this works

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kgac...eature=related

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I guess what I should've said was: "the argument could be made that..." You're right though, anyone who speculates as to what this does or doesn't do for the victims is out of line. No one knows what they feel but them.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Thanks Skip for asking something I could answer without popping a blood vessel :up:

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Yeah figured I'd lighten it up a little

Write something nice.......click cancel......write something mean spirited....click cancel.......write something with a little of both.....click cancel...... I feel this urge to hit cancel again but fuck it :D

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Originally Posted by Kwizzy

I guess what I should've said was: "the argument could be made that..." You're right though, anyone who speculates as to what this does or doesn't do for the victims is out of line. No one knows what they feel but them.

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I understood what you meant. I was just stating that these were people that were still attending football games and in one case that we know about, attended games with the person that did this to him long after the abuse was done. Assumption here, but they love PSU football and hurting the program doesn't make them feel better.

Could that Coach get out of his contract somehow if he wanted?

I mean no one could have predicted this but certainly they weren't being forthcoming with the possibility of something happening.

Even still were he to leave he would be screwed pretty much like those who would want to transfer this late in the game

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Could that Coach get out of his contract somehow if he wanted?

I mean no one could have predicted this but certainly they weren't being forthcoming with the possibility of something happening.

Even still were he to leave he would be screwed pretty much like those who would want to transfer this late in the game

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Word is he does not have an out in his contract for NCAA sanctions. Not sure if he has some other out that he could use, but as it looks now he is staying with the program for at least a year. He also publicly stated today that he is here for the long term(we'll see).

IMO though, he might as well stay. He gains some good head coaching experience and if he losses, nobody will really hold it against him with the sanctions. If he puts a winning program on the board, even 7 to 8 wins, he'll look really good.

He's said that he wants to rebuild the program. I doubt he'll go anywhere.

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Could that Coach get out of his contract somehow if he wanted?

I mean no one could have predicted this but certainly they weren't being forthcoming with the possibility of something happening.

Even still were he to leave he would be screwed pretty much like those who would want to transfer this late in the game

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He has said that he knew something like this was possible, just today again as well. He seems to be saying lots of the right things (not that hard given the circumstances) but time will tell. I've always felt Bill O'Brien was only here for 3 or so years anyways but if he has a decent year this year it may only be 1.

I've heard before any of this ever come down (the sanctions and freeh report) that at least 1 assistant coach wants to get back into the NFL.

I can see some FR or SO leaving, but for a JR or SR right now it would be really tough. They still have the option to play here and get a great education (though some would lead you to believe that to not be the case anymore).

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Originally Posted by psuexv

Word is he does not have an out in his contract for NCAA sanctions. Not sure if he has some other out that he could use, but as it looks now he is staying with the program for at least a year. He also publicly stated today that he is here for the long term(we'll see).

IMO though, he might as well stay. He gains some good head coaching experience and if he losses, nobody will really hold it against him with the sanctions. If he puts a winning program on the board, even 7 to 8 wins, he'll look really good.

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All very true.

But this job wasn't suppose to be a "stepping stone" sort of speak. This is/was a premier job in college football. Especially coming from the Patriots in the NFL. Not like he had to go from the University of Buffalo lol

Like you said though it is a win-win situation on the surface I would imagine.

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

He's said that he wants to rebuild the program. I doubt he'll go anywhere.

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Well it definitely will be a true rebuilding project now

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

All very true.

But this job wasn't suppose to be a "stepping stone" sort of speak. This is/was a premier job in college football. Especially coming from the Patriots in the NFL. Not like he had to go from the University of Buffalo lol

Like you said though it is a win-win situation on the surface I would imagine.

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I think it was exactly a stepping stone for Bill O'Brien to be honest. Correct me if I'm wrong here Eric but I've been told that not one of the coaching staff have purchased a house as of yet? Now I know there are factors there that can certainly cause such a thing, but it aligns with what I was told via a former coaching staff member and former player who does some PSU stuff with the program and for PSU fans.

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Well it definitely will be a true rebuilding project now

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LOL Understatement of the day there :D

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

But this job wasn't suppose to be a "stepping stone" sort of speak. This is/was a premier job in college football. Especially coming from the Patriots in the NFL. Not like he had to go from the University of Buffalo lol

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There has been mixed signals on this. As Snoop said earlier he only expected him here 3 years. He said when he was hired his dream is to be a head coach in the NFL, so most viewed it as a sort of stepping stone.

Paterno family released a statement calling the NCAA sanctions a "panicked response" that punishes the Penn State students.

Can someone explain to me the 5 year probation thing? What are they on Probation from? Highering future child predators? Allowing the football program to take over again? I'm not understanding the probation part. I get the scholarships, and bowl bans, etc...

The $60 mil also sounds really bad at first but then they say it's going to be broken up over 5 years at $12 mil a year. It sounded worse when they first said it, like Penn St was going to have to open up the check book RIGHT NOW and write a $60 mil check.

It's not cool that this will effect the football program and/or the current and future players. However, I'm thinking this is the exact message they are trying to send, right? They are trying to get the institution to understand what they did was wrong and they must pay for it. If Penn St is really bigger than Joe Pa, then they as an institution must pay the price, not just the people involved. I just keep hearing it's not fair for the players and the future of the univeristy, if others will claim that the university was NOT run by the football program then, the university should be punished. If the university WAS run by the football program, then again it should be punished. It seems to go hand-in-hand to me.

I'm sorry for the players, but not going to lose sleep over it. There are a small % of players that would make it to the NFL, to do this as a job. There isn't anyone saying the players still can't stay at Penn St, future players can't still PLAY for Penn St and OH BY THE WAY GET A FREAKING COLLEGE EDUCATION so they can get a job and be a productive member of society!

I think it's fine and dandy that you can play the card of, all these NFL players dreams are dashed, let's be honest, if those FEW players go somewhere else, those that do have PRO potential, they WILL get to play on other teams. Superstars don't sit on the sideline just b/c they transferred in late.

AND, if they do transfer to other schools and do not have the potential to play at the next level, they can still.....EARN A COLLEGE DEGREE. Isn't that, hopefully 51% of the real reason they are going to SCHOOL?

I understand that the NCAA is a "NFL mini-training camp" for a small handful of players, but you can't convince me of ANY football program that turns out 100% of their players to the NFL. Hopefully the education side of things is more important. Even if these handful of players make it to the NFL, how long are their careers compared to others with a degree and an education to help them more than just 2-4 years?

I don't think this punish the current and future players mentality is really a concern to the NCAA.

A) it's not like we have a time machine and can go back and change things, or punish things in the past.
B) the NCAA has a never ending talent pool (high school) to pull from so they don't really give a crap about the current players, it's not like football is going tos top b/c of this, so years from now if they do the right things they will be back, maybe not to where they were, but nothing is impossible.
C) I also agree with some of the analysts on ESPN, it's a mixed message the NCAA is sending here, that coaches shouldn't be idolized and they shouldn't be paid so much, hinting that it shouldn't be so much about the money...yet then in the near future there are going to be bidding wars over where the bracket games and national championship games are going to be held, so like I believe Chris Fowler said, "That ship has already sailed".

I think like a lot of things in life, when we don't get all the facts we leave things like today's press conference with a heck of a lot more questions than when we went into it. Like how he dances around the answer of not singling out individuals. It just begs the questions of WHY?

One other point, and again I can't remember which one brought it up, but why is Joe Paterno the one taking so much crap? What about this Graham Spanier, why isn't he being called out and hammered like Joe Paterno is? Is it b/c Joe Pa has passed and can't be taken to court? Maybe Graham Spaniers day in court is coming? I just don't understand why Joe is taking all the heat? Was HE the university?

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Originally Posted by JBHuskers

Paterno family released a statement calling the NCAA sanctions a "panicked response" that punishes the Penn State students.

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I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering :D

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering :D

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An "oh shit" moment. I've been told 1 of those can ruin 1,000 atta' boys'

Anyway thanks for the clarifications guys regarding O'Brien. I didn't know his main goal was to move to the Head Coaching ranks in the NFL. Not sure why he didn't just stay in New England unless the decision wasn't ultimately not his (wasn't going to have his contract renewed, fired, etc.) I mean if there is one thing BB can do is get your foot in the door for a head coaching gig.

I figured he was going to stay in the college ranks of head coaching which is why I said Penn State is/was a premier job.

I'm impressed with this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ncaa-sanctions

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

I can agree that it is panicked. They couldn't even let the trials finish. Just sitting here, what happens if Curley and Shultz are found not guilty? Just wondering :D

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More like Curley and Moe.

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Will NCAA 14 have Penn St as a 1 star D team next year?

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

Can someone explain to me the 5 year probation thing? What are they on Probation from? Highering future child predators? Allowing the football program to take over again? I'm not understanding the probation part. I get the scholarships, and bowl bans, etc...

The $60 mil also sounds really bad at first but then they say it's going to be broken up over 5 years at $12 mil a year. It sounded worse when they first said it, like Penn St was going to have to open up the check book RIGHT NOW and write a $60 mil check.

It's not cool that this will effect the football program and/or the current and future players. However, I'm thinking this is the exact message they are trying to send, right? They are trying to get the institution to understand what they did was wrong and they must pay for it. If Penn St is really bigger than Joe Pa, then they as an institution must pay the price, not just the people involved. I just keep hearing it's not fair for the players and the future of the univeristy, if others will claim that the university was NOT run by the football program then, the university should be punished. If the university WAS run by the football program, then again it should be punished. It seems to go hand-in-hand to me.

I'm sorry for the players, but not going to lose sleep over it. There are a small % of players that would make it to the NFL, to do this as a job. There isn't anyone saying the players still can't stay at Penn St, future players can't still PLAY for Penn St and OH BY THE WAY GET A FREAKING COLLEGE EDUCATION so they can get a job and be a productive member of society!

I think it's fine and dandy that you can play the card of, all these NFL players dreams are dashed, let's be honest, if those FEW players go somewhere else, those that do have PRO potential, they WILL get to play on other teams. Superstars don't sit on the sideline just b/c they transferred in late.

AND, if they do transfer to other schools and do not have the potential to play at the next level, they can still.....EARN A COLLEGE DEGREE. Isn't that, hopefully 51% of the real reason they are going to SCHOOL?

I understand that the NCAA is a "NFL mini-training camp" for a small handful of players, but you can't convince me of ANY football program that turns out 100% of their players to the NFL. Hopefully the education side of things is more important. Even if these handful of players make it to the NFL, how long are their careers compared to others with a degree and an education to help them more than just 2-4 years?

I don't think this punish the current and future players mentality is really a concern to the NCAA.

A) it's not like we have a time machine and can go back and change things, or punish things in the past.
B) the NCAA has a never ending talent pool (high school) to pull from so they don't really give a crap about the current players, it's not like football is going tos top b/c of this, so years from now if they do the right things they will be back, maybe not to where they were, but nothing is impossible.
C) I also agree with some of the analysts on ESPN, it's a mixed message the NCAA is sending here, that coaches shouldn't be idolized and they shouldn't be paid so much, hinting that it shouldn't be so much about the money...yet then in the near future there are going to be bidding wars over where the bracket games and national championship games are going to be held, so like I believe Chris Fowler said, "That ship has already sailed".

I think like a lot of things in life, when we don't get all the facts we leave things like today's press conference with a heck of a lot more questions than when we went into it. Like how he dances around the answer of not singling out individuals. It just begs the questions of WHY?

One other point, and again I can't remember which one brought it up, but why is Joe Paterno the one taking so much crap? What about this Graham Spanier, why isn't he being called out and hammered like Joe Paterno is? Is it b/c Joe Pa has passed and can't be taken to court? Maybe Graham Spaniers day in court is coming? I just don't understand why Joe is taking all the heat? Was HE the university?

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Gus come on man your so wishy washy here it's not funny.

First you said a few pages back that no current players are going to be effected by this then today you say they will then say they won't. Which one is it?? I'm baffled right now.

Then you say why is this all about Joe?? What about the other people? But again a few pages back you said that the reason is because Joe has a statue and because his name is on the Library. Again what are you saying or asking I'm confused?

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Originally Posted by psuexv

I understood what you meant. I was just stating that these were people that were still attending football games and in one case that we know about, attended games with the person that did this to him long after the abuse was done. Assumption here, but they love PSU football and hurting the program doesn't make them feel better.

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Yeah, I'm sure that is true of some of them but, as with anything, sweeping statements meant to apply to many different people are dangerous. Either way, I think it's tough for anyone myself included, to speak as to how the victims feel about all of this. It's a tough tough situation with no good answers. All I really can say is that hopefully some good comes out of this.

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

An "oh shit" moment. I've been told 1 of those can ruin 1,000 atta' boys'

Anyway thanks for the clarifications guys regarding O'Brien. I didn't know his main goal was to move to the Head Coaching ranks in the NFL. Not sure why he didn't just stay in New England unless the decision wasn't ultimately not his (wasn't going to have his contract renewed, fired, etc.) I mean if there is one thing BB can do is get your foot in the door for a head coaching gig.

I figured he was going to stay in the college ranks of head coaching which is why I said Penn State is/was a premier job.

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To me an underlying reason and something note worthy was the immediate hiring of Josh McDaniel again. All while Bill was finishing out the playoffs as well. With Brady and his standing being questioned there mid season it's interesting to me atleast.

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

Will NCAA 14 have Penn St as a 1 star D team next year?

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Their depth chart should hurt much in NCAA since we only have 70 roster spots :D

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Originally Posted by gigemaggs99

Will NCAA 14 have Penn St as a 1 star D team next year?

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Now this is a good question.

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Originally Posted by psuexv

Now this is a good question.

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Gus always brings the thunder :D:D

Interesting

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0723/esp...nierletter.pdf

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

To me an underlying reason and something note worthy was the immediate hiring of Josh McDaniel again. All while Bill was finishing out the playoffs as well. With Brady and his standing being questioned there mid season it's interesting to me atleast.

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I thought that was because he was fielding interviews for jobs, then once Paterno was fired. McDaniels wasn't hired until later.

If the writing was on the wall for him to leave then that is understandable and probably the reason. I'm not a fan of either team so my knowledge of the situation is absent.

Still I wouldn't have thought he knew he was signing up for this. No one did until today.

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Originally Posted by psusnoop

Interesting

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2012/0723/esp...nierletter.pdf

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Definitely.

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Originally Posted by skipwondah33

Definitely.

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Reading through that I can't help but think: Why the hell would you not follow up more. It is not enough to say that's all they told me. When you're the president of a university, you should should at the very least further investigate a report like he got. Ask a couple of questions for god's sake man. If I heard grown man, young boy, shower, & horseplay together. That's enough to merit a couple of questions at the very least.