Their balance sheet would dictate otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by JBHuskers
This is a company that posted it's first annual loss (2012) in the three decades.
Even with sluggish sales they are making a profit off the last 12 months.
Printable View
:D:D
That is hilarious if true. Means the used game complaint goes out the window, as does rental worries.
The game is afoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
It'll be even ground pretty much aside from the $100 difference.
...and the sizable difference in graphics capabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
Even if this is true, it doesn't affect my current plan to go PS4 first. I really don't like the idea of paying a $100 premium for inferior hardware just because of an included camera I'd never use. Still, if true, good news. I don't see the point personally since it's going to happen eventually, but eh. :D
But the Kinect is included, which makes it a wash. Unless you are paranoid of it spying on you, like one outspoken member here, then it is still box of evil and debauchery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
I don't know, I mean I see where gamers hate that Kinect is included, but if you recently bought a 360 it included Kinect didn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Yeah, I seem to recall that being a big selling point for the PS3, how did that work out for them? Outside of Sony games and a few titles most games were a wash or looked/played better on the 360. Plus games like Skyrim and Fallout on PS3 were a complete clusterfuck. :fp:Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Personally I think the multi-platform games will be very similar this next gen on the Xbox One and PS4, just as they were this gen.
Reality is that the First Party games and exclusives will now be a big decider in what system to buy. I am still leaning toward PS4 for this reason. When I do jump on the next gen bandwagon I would like to have a baseball game and hopefully the next Uncharted will be in the works.
Since I hate most sci-fi games, the only exclusives I cared about were Arcade games like Trials HD/Evo.
Nope, unless it was a special bundle. Right now the main SKU's are the standard 250gb and 4gb models.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
The PS3 didn't have anywhere close the advantage over the 360 the PS4 is going to have over the One. There was only a marginal difference and most of the babble about that was centered around the cell architecture, which turned out to be an over hyped marketing tool for Sony that ended up backfiring on them because it took developers forever to figure out how to develop for it. Microsoft's doing the same thing right now with their "power of the cloud" BS. The PS4 vs the One is a much bigger difference than PS3 vs 360.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
I never said games on multiple platforms would look a lot different. They wont. That isn't because of the power of the console, though. That's because developers more than likely aren't willing to optimize one version over the other, and because Microsoft will probably require publishers to sign contracts that their game can't be vastly better on other platforms, just like they reportedly did with the 360 this generation.
In fact, I'm pretty sure the 360 had a BETTER GPU than the PS3. It was the processor that made the PS3 marginally faster.
LOL. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
That's actually a huge bummer. I was really looking forward to being able to share a library of games (I already had my "family" picked out) and being able to play without needing to have the disc in. Oh well.Quote:
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
Requiring the disc to be in the tray is definitely a huge bummer... that was one of the nicer features I would have wanted as I'm a lazy bastard. When the PS3 was launched, I kept wondering when they were going to offer some kind of disc changer system :D
Well, really the whole DRM never mattered much to me, but in the big picture, it is a good thing if true.
My 360 is always connected to the internet. I have it automatically log into Xbox Live and my account on start up. I always install my games onto the hard drive very first thing I do with each new game. If my internet goes out, I couldn't care less about playing a game, I'm trying to figure out why my POS internet went out.
The only games I have ever sold were NCAA 09/10 and Madden 09/10 years ago. Everything else, I keep just because every now and then I'll get the itch for one of them and want to be able to just pop them in and fire them up. I still like to go back and shoot shit up in the campaign of Call of Duty 4 now and then. Same with other games. There's a reason I still own all of the Final Fantasies from Anthology up through XIII-2 on PS1, PS2 and 360. I still keep my PS2 hooked up to fire up some of the PS1 Final Fantasies from time to time. I'm basically a hoarder when it comes to games. :D I don't play them all often, but I still play them all now and then.
Ultimately, if true, it will finally put to rest all of the PS4 vs. 360 DRM shit and we can get back to just talking games. And maybe Xbox One will get a fair shake now in the eyes of gamers and media.
The only thing that keeps me (and has kept me) from going 100% all in on Xbox One day one is the reports of overheating. After hearing (thankfully never experiencing) the horror stories of RRODs on the 360, it has me concerned with the day one systems. Something I'm going to have to keep an eye on over the coming months.
All games will be downloadable day one. So, for the truly lazy...Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Was that something announced my MS or Major Nelson?Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
That is great news! I'm glad all that BS is gone and we share games and what not and not be connected 24/7 . When I finally the X1 it will be awesome. But the ps4 comes first!
This is true, but then you'll (probably) have to fork over full retail price and then you wont have the option to sell it once you're done. I'm really hoping that digital prices start to fall a little bit. Sony and Microsoft are both HORRIBLE at prices for full retail digital games. Offer them at $45 or $50 day one and people will buy it. Besides, it SHOULD be cheaper. No discs to manufacture, no shipping and packaging, no dealing with retail stores, it's all 100% pure profit. There's no reason why they should be full price, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
That post was directly from Microsoft:Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Link
:nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Honestly, I'd be tempted to go that route. I already buy all my games new, so I'm paying full price anyways. And practically no one puts manuals in the cases anymore, just their EULA crap. So simply buying and downloading games straight from the console and skipping the Amazon/B&M stores would work for me if I wanted to do that.
lmao if that isn't the BIGGEST admission of defeat ever I don't know what is. It will be interesting to see how this plays out now.
Will consumers say "all is forgiven"? I mean after all NOTHING would stop MS from re-instituting the DRM policy at a later date after you've paid for your console of course.
Completely agree. You should at the very least get $10 off the games. A) Because of all the things you mention. B) It pleases the Game Publishers, since you can't resell it, thus "not costing them a sale."Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Nice! So it is indeed official then. I think I may cancel my PS4 pre-order now. :D While it would be nice to get both, Shelling out $900 literally weeks before the holiday season (and the other loads of money I'll be spending then) is a little steep for my wallet. Since there is no longer any DRM to deal with on the Xbox One, any remotely potential issue there is no longer valid. Only issue is RRODs/overheating. Otherwise, I'm good to go full speed ahead on the Xbox One. I may still get the PS4 down the road, but their exclusives (other than MLB The Show) have never really be something I just HAD to have. Xbox on the other hand, has Halo, and will have Titanfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Good point, never thought of that. Since that is the case, you'd think publishers would be really trying to go after digital sales by making them more enticing. Personally, if there was a $10 or $15 discount over retail, I'd go digital only in a heartbeat. However, when the price is the same, I just don't see the point...I guess I'd rather have a physical product if it's the same price.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdoughty
Yep its the BIGGEST difference between "Steam model" and PSN/Live model. You give up your right of selling something you ought to get something back in return (i.e. lower price due to giving up that right).Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
I'm seriously disappointed that family share thing is gone. That was the main reason I was excited for the One. I understand they had to do that since the online check is now gone, but still, I was really looking forward to that.
Actually this may sway to x1 first instead of the ps4. Again the only exclussive on ps4 was MLB the show and I can live with out that for know.
Yeah if they're the same price I agree, I'd much rather have the physical copy. I like looking at the game cover artwork.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
Maybe, but at least they're doing something about it, even if it is nothing but a giant picture of them raising the white flag. At least they released that they overstepped big time on DRM and are reeling it in. Could they re-institute it later on? Of course. It's no different than EA being able to re-institute online passes sometime down the road. Will they though? I doubt it. The public backlash and fury that would follow if they just one day decided to slam it all back on probably really would bury the Xbox One and MS. Because of that, I doubt they'll consider DRM on a console again until the next next-gen consoles (and only after Sony has revealed what they plan to do).Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
I think by the time it's ready for the next next-gen consoles, we'll be on a solely digital platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Yeah, that would have been nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by I OU a Beatn
I definitely wouldn't be surprised there. It'll be somewhere after 2020 when the next consoles come out, by that time, I have a feeling a lot will have changed. I sort of wondered, before all the details for both came out, if they would both go all digital THIS upcoming gen. Next time around, I would almost be expecting them to go straight digital on everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
I've been saying this for 2 or 3 years now. This upcoming generation will be the last with physical media. After this generation, it'll be all digital, meaning you wont be able to trade in your games anyway. That's exactly why I never understood all the backlash anyway. It's going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingpin32
:bp:
Still doesn't change anything for me, except I might consider the XB1 sooner than originally planned, which was tax refund 2015.
I wouldn't be surprised either, but then what would happen to the retail aspect of the game section at department stores? I think there's always gonna be some sort retail presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
This is the best news since E3 . Damn ps4 might have competition now! Oh yea!
I dunno. Lots of bridges have been burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorfanStovy
Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta