Being a local, did anyone else find it weird that there were so many cheers and applause when the doors opened?
Had to love Central PA represented by the lady holding a paper plate with the word GUILTY on it :D
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Being a local, did anyone else find it weird that there were so many cheers and applause when the doors opened?
Had to love Central PA represented by the lady holding a paper plate with the word GUILTY on it :D
No, but without Joe on the sidelines, granted it was only a matter of time anyways before he eventually wouldn't be on the sidelines anymore, Penn State needs to hope that their new coach was a good hire and try not to fall into a cycle of revolving coaches and mediocre or worse seasons like so many other teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
I don't think anyone around here thinks that O'Brein will be here very long. My personal belief is we have Bill O, for 2/3 years max and then the following happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
After talking to someone very close to things I like what he told me. Al Golden wants the PSU job but given everything surrounding the program he didn't want to be that guy to take over given the circumstances. Al wants to bring his staff and a few others that have discussed things that would be really interesting.
Thankfully, that ANIMAL will be put behind bars for the rest of his life.
Of course, this is hardly the end for Penn State here. I believe there are still ongoing criminal investigations as well as two perjury charges. Depending on any applicable statute of limitations University officials could be charged as well as accomplices if they knew/should have known and basically covered it up.
On the sports side of things I also wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA conducted its own investigation and I could easily see a "lack of institutional control" ruling leading to sanctions and possibly even a death penalty.
The reality is IF Penn State's athletic department officials knew what Sandusky was doing and/or should have known and turned a blind eye to it those actions are IMHO far worse than ANY college scandal that I can think of. This is far worse than paying players, recruiting violations etc...
Again IF its as bad as alleged the storm at Penn State has only just begun and this process will likely take YEARS before the dust finally settles.
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my friends emails, they are Nebraska fans and heres the stuff they sent the last 24 hours :D
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I thought that they were replacing the lion with the Tickle Monster? I heard that It looks kinda like the Stanford Cardinal except for it has Sandusky's face.
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While the jury affirmed the horrible acts that took place, it was ten years too late because of the lack action taken by PSU administrators. As long as they clean house and strengthen their reporting policies and procedures, I will pull for them as big 10 brethren. I think theyre headed in the right direction. They should replace the nittany lion mascot with Tony the Tiger, just so people know they're serious too.
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If the adopt Tony I will relax my stance a bit
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I'm celebrating the guilty verdict and the coming case against Penn State. The State Attorney General refused to comment about Penn State due to the pending case. Needless to say and nothing personal Perry, I will be rooting against Penn State for a long time. I hope they get theirs for turning a blind eye to what this creep was doing and allowing him to hang around the university after they knew something. I will be pissed if the creep gets protective rights inside the prison walls. The prisoners will let him know pay back is a bitch.
and for the heck of it,one friends comment about college playoffs
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Yah, I know, but what would our lives be like without Capital One Bowl Week on ESPN? It's so annoying listening to ESPN espouse the virtues of a coach's resume by saying how he has turned around a program by taking them to their first bowl in 20 years, even though their record was 6-6.
The Big 10 is scared of a playoff, and are using the Rose Bowl as a shield. They had 10 of 12 teams make bowl games last year earning close to $46.5 million. Keeping the Rose Bowl affiliation guarantees about $22.3 million of that pie. With the total bowl pie at over $259 million, that gives the Big 10 about an 18% share. The conference has sent the most teams to BCS bowls since its inception (even ahead of the SEC), thus, a nearsighted view of a playoff would suggest that the conference could lose $, or their percentage share could drop. Also, an equal share of the net earnings (revenues less bowl expeneses) from the bowls goes to the B10 league office, where I'm sure Delany is ripe to award himself a raise on an annual basis.
Establishing a playoff that guarantees that dollar amount doesn't drop and keeps growing is why we'll be left with lackluster bowls and a 4-team scenario where the title game is bid out to the highest bidder. Hopefully interest in the bowls will drop, while the "playoff" games gain more momentum.
CLW there is zero chance the NCAA would ever want to walk that fine line of getting involved in handing out punishments to institutions for criminal charges.
They have zero jurisdiction in making these kind of decisions and would never have the man power or attorneys to handle all these problems within Universities.
Yes this one is terrible and disheartening but so is murder, burglary, drug trafficking, domestic violence, and so on and so on. Just no way to handle the shear volume of cases they would face before them.
No the NCAA cannot obviously criminally charge the university/officials (that is a job for the Commonwealth and/or U.S. gov'ts). However, they can lay the ban hammer down after a program has been involved in criminal activity/cover ups. See :Baylor: basketballQuote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
But the difference is Baylor used theirs to gain an advantage to win games. This was in no way used to recruit or win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
This article which states the difference between the two.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-not-from-ncaa
My only issue would be, why would you take action against the football team? Yes he was a former coach, but as Snoop said, it wasn't anything helping them to win games. IF there was a cover up, it was the AD, the head of police and the president. I think that if actions are taken by the NCAA it has to be against the university as a whole or the athletic department as a whole. This isn't a football issue.
Another article here that to me breaks things down better.
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-...ack-of-control
Jail inmates taunt Sandusky with Pink Floyd anthem
After being stripped of all dignity and facing a minimum of 60 years in prison on child sex abuse convictions, it's been reported that disgraced ex-coach Jerry Sandusky was further shamed upon arriving at a Bellefonte prison by inmates taunting him with rounds of the lyric "Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone" from "The Wall." Prisoners at the Centre County Correctional Facility were prohibited from direct communication with the former Penn State coach but could see him, and when the lights went down, they began serenading the convict with the classic Pink Floyd anthem through the walls. Sandusky is on suicide watch, and his lawyers have said they plan to appeal the guilty verdict.
http://now.msn.com/now/0624-sandusky...?ocid=ansnow11
:D Goddamn, those prisoners are awesome. I love prison justice sometimes. :D
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I'll just say this: You don't think covering up a sex scandal can be viewed as gaining an advantage to win games? Imagine if it hadn't been covered up all those years ago and it came out that the D-Coordinator was raping boys. I think that would hurt Penn State on the recruiting trail which in turn would hurt them in winning games. I would imagine that one of the big factors many recruits/recruits parents liked about Penn State was its image as being squeaky clean. Take that away from them in the Midwest/Rust Belt and it basically becomes "The U" which might fly down on South Beach but doesn't to a large chunk of the kids Penn State has recruited in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by psusnoop
You might think it is a stretch but honestly I cannot think of any other reason why someone would cover up the fact that a man was raping/molesting children. (again this assumes it can be proven of an actual cover up or turning a blind eye to it)
The rabbit hole gets even deeper.
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Report: Officials exchanged emails
Former Penn State officials exchanged emails in 2001 to determine how they would deal with allegations of inappropriate behavior against Jerry Sandusky, according to a CNN report.
According to the report, emails between former Penn State officials Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier show the trio initially planned to tell authorities about the allegations against Sandusky, who was convicted on 45 of 48 charges against him last week.
However, the three men opted not to alert authorities after speaking with "Joe," according to the report.
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," read one of the emails, according to CNN.
During the Sandusky trial, prosecutors said Schultz, a Penn State vice president, kept a secret file containing allegations of inappropriate behavior against Sandusky that directly contradicted statements Schultz made to the grand jury investigating the disgraced former defensive coordinator under longtime coach Joe Paterno.
"The commonwealth has come into possession of computer data (again, subpoenaed long ago but not received from PSU until after the charges had been filed in this case) in the form of emails between Schultz, Curley and others that contradict their testimony before the Grand Jury," the document states.
The document also states that Schultz, who also oversaw the school's police force, "created, maintained and possessed" the file.
Yeah this shit smells to high heaven and just a hunch but I suspect LOTS of "higher ups" at the university knew about it and then covered it up. Lots of people should go to jail as accessories to a child molester.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmoothPancakes
Yeah, I'm going to assume this is not the end by far in regards to trials and court cases related to the whole issue. I have a feeling there are going to be some former and current university higher ups that could be facing charges, and as you said, should be facing charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by CLW
If there are members of the BOT that get imprisoned, I'll be pleased.
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I'm going to try to wait till more is learned then just a clip from an email context that no one has officially seen or can speak of only to theorize the subject matter.
But whomever leaked said context certainly gained what they were looking for in gaining the publics outcry when in fact if they could just handle thing properly in this god foresaken case everyone would be on board and calling for justice anyways. I want justice, but I also want facts too. One without the other just isn't fair.
Again though, yes you can tie it into that it kept the image clean by covering it up, of that is proven to be the case. But I'm not the only one that thinks it would be an unprecedented step by the NCAA to get involved and laying out punishment for criminal activities relating to Universities.
Sure anyone can tie the LOIC into play but until more information is gathered and processed I don't see it in play given the "factual" date at present. PSU lawyers would have a field day going through history of cases which have involved criminals associated with Universities and it wouldn't be pretty. Everyone just needs to wait, be patient, and just allow the facts to come out. Once there then we can judge.
Great statement by the Paterno family asking for all the emails to released, not just carefully picked snips.
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From the moment the Jerry Sandusky crisis erupted, Joe Paterno patiently and persistently called for a thorough and professional investigation. He abhorred the rush to judgment that occurred last November and he spoke out forcefully for a comprehensive review that protected no one while preserving due process for everyone. Coach Paterno emphasized that the best way to serve the victims and protect the reputation of Penn State was by a total commitment to uncovering the full truth.
With the leaking of selective emails over the last few days, it is clear that someone in a position of authority is not interested in a fair or thorough investigation. To be clear, the Paterno family does not know the source or sources of these leaks. The question that needs to be asked is why this breach of confidentiality, which seeks to preempt the Freeh report and undermine the courts, is not being objected to or otherwise addressed by those in a position of authority. It should not be the responsibility of the Paterno family to call for an honest, independent investigation. Given the seriousness and complexity of this case, everyone should be demanding the full truth, not just carefully selected excerpts of certain emails.
Releasing these emails in this way is not intended to inform the discussion but to smear former Penn State officials, including Joe Paterno. The truth is Joe Paterno reported the 2001 incident promptly and fully. He was interviewed by the Grand Jury for a total of 8 minutes and told the truth to the best of his recollection. He was never interviewed by the University. He was not afforded due process and his story was never fully told. And he was never allowed to see the files and records that are now in question. In spite of these facts, however, numerous pundits and critics are exploiting these disconnected and distorted records to attack Joe Paterno.
Accordingly, the Paterno family today is calling on the Freeh Group and the Attorney General's office to immediately release all emails and records they have related to this case. The public should not have to try and piece together a story from a few records that have been selected in a calculated way to manipulate public opinion. Joe Paterno didn't fear the truth, he sought the truth. His guidance to his family and his advisors was to pursue the full truth. This is the course we have followed for 9 months. It is the course we will follow to the end.
Thanks for posting that, Eric. My stances on Coach Paterno and on the BOT and the University are well documented.
I'm not going to go into it, but nothing has changed my belief on any of it, or my opinion about any of those 3 parties.
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Yeah I just want the whole story.
Understood. Me too. I still believe that the whole story will show that my feeling/opinion will be correct.Quote:
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I want the whole truth, not some agenda driven BS
Everyone involved in this is getting hammered right now.
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Originally Posted by ryby6969
I'm having a hard time with this report for many reasons as you can tell.
One thing not really related is how it has been handled. Not interviewing Mike McQueary. Leaking stuff towards the end of the investigation. Then finding out that around 2:30am this morning Deadspin.com got information about it, then seeing the transcript that they planned the site for the .pdf to crash at 9:05am which it did makes me just :smh: at everything.
It's to a point where I don't even like to talk about it because my views are clearly influenced with where I live and work which makes things a little tougher for me to accept or see the other side clearly (meaning I still don't trust the BoT and this investigating team). So it's probably best that I steer clear of commenting to be honest.
Totally understand, and this is also why I have stayed away from commenting on the subject in the past. My views will probably not be the same as most(specifically fans of PSU) so I have avoided commenting to avoid the ensuing arguments that are sure to follow. :D
Just let it play out.
I think Joe is greatly at fault. But I also believe the Paterno family saying they were tricked by Sandusky. That's what a man errrr monster like him does. Manipulate and trick people.
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LOL trying my best, I've closed twitter for the day and I'm not reading what some are posting on facebook either now :DQuote:
Originally Posted by souljahbill
Haven't read the full report yet but from the summary it sounds like everyone to the top down at the University is to blame. As expected there were multiple opportunities to stop this A-hole and everyone looked the other way and tried their best to "keep it on the down low".
Lots of people are going to get sued (including the University itself) and probably several are going to be charged criminally for the coverup. As a PR and (probably sound legal advise) PSU should just get the checkbook out and whatever is asked for (after a brief confirmation the claim could be legit) write the check.
I wouldn't be surprised if people sued Paterno's estate civilly as well. Paterno's family should likewise get the checkbook out.
Time cures allot of things but Paterno's legacy (at least nationally) is likely ruined.
I really hope they get this mess figured out prior to football starting, it's annoying that any of this had to happen, but it's annoying and sickening to keep hearing about it. Punish these people and move on. Give us the whole story, everyone then puke for hours and then MOVE ON. I'm not in the Penn St bubble so I don't have this Joe is the man attitude. I am an Aggie and when BonFire fell in 1998 I "WAS" in the mind set of DUDE build it back and light that sucker up! But now, years removed, older, Father of my own kids....well Bonfire is nice but not if it means kids getting hurt or killed. There is no way it's should even be a 2nd thought. Accidents happen, learn from them and move on.
Penn St, from the sounds of it had an "accident" in the late 90s and didn't learn from it and move on, they covered it up and turned the blind eye....allowing it to continue.
I think the death penalty that SMU received was very harsh. Experts everywhere have said the NCAA should never use this again as it's taken SMU 20 years to finally get back to above 500. However, SMU paid players, that is nothing compared to this. From the sounds of it, again, I'm just on the outside looking, the football program was larger than life. They WERE the authority and seemed to call all the shots. Like it or not, Joe Paterano was the Head Coach. It's not like he just started working there, YEARS of coaching there, you would think, or hope, or like to think he had a clue what was going on under his watch. To say or lie, or whatever you want to call it, that they knew nothing like this was happening it hard to believe. It just doesn't sit right with me. The head football coach at a major university HAS to know what's going on in HIS program. This HAD to make major waves amongst everyone involved and to just say, I didn't know....or I let the other guy know...and just leave it at that...seems like that action that a HEAD football coach in charge of his program just doesn't do.
When SMU was getting in trouble, the head coach at the time, he stepped down, he didn't say, Oh wow gee really? Hmmm I didn't have anything to do with it.....he knew it was wrong, got caught and stepped down. I just seems like Joe should/could have done more.
I don't agree with the death penalty 99% of the time but if you listen to this reporters arguement...well it makes sense.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...?ocid=todfox11
If football was larger than life, larger than the authorities, enough to make janitors fear for their jobs and lively-hood, then the football program needs to be put in it's place. SMU did the same, they broke the rules, were told MULTIPLE times to stop, yet laughed in the face of authority and FINALLY the NCAA dropped the death penalty BOMB on them. Now 20 years later, I HOPE they think twice if a donation comes in from an alumni "suggesting" they pay a player. HOPEFULLY they learned from their mistakes.
I agree, it would be VERY VERY harsh, but if that's what it takes for the people INSIDE Penn St to realize, what happened there is NOT RIGHT to make them understand you HAVE to go to the police, regardless of if you might lose your job....YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I know it's taken me a while, 14 years since Bonfire fell and 12 kids were killed (hasn't taken me 14 years to come to this conclusion) but it did take 1-2 years....the risk of human life, or mental/physical torture (as is the case with Penn St) to KIDS or Adults should NEVER come after the concerns or agenda of a football program.
My wife and I are a nice meal and we see this report come over the tv. I'm not trying to start any fights or arguments but here is the MAIN problem I have with all of this.
I'm just a simple man, Married, I have a decent education, B.S. in Psychology from Texas A&M, I'm a lic Plumber in the state of Tx, I have bills and responsibilities just like every other person on the face of the planet. I have 2 wonderful kids so I understand the Parental side of this issue....that ALL being said why on God's green earth does it take an "expert" former FBI director to make the Earth shattering conclusion that "More should have been done". Why if normal folk like myself say this, it's just answered with, well you don't know all the facts, you don't know everything that's going on.....I'm sorry I'm a simple Dad, if someone is raping a kid STOP THEM REPORT THEM. It's that simple. I have NEVER had a job that is more important that that. I would rather be homeless and jobless than know I watched some kid have that done to them and then thought, well I gotta pay my cable bill first...
Is it that this is SO BIG, that MONEY, Jobs, Income for the university are so huge that it takes a man, with such a BIG title to state the obvious and finally people stop and think, WOW this guy is right, what happened there is WRONG! Why does it take a former FBI director to shock human beings back to reality that IS NOT RIGHT, you cannot rape kids!
Thanks for listening, sorry for ranting and raving...it just makes me sick to hear all of this, I mean it's even on Fox news now....It's just sickening to hear about, sickening to hear people defend Joe Paterno, hear about MANY others turning a blind eye, all because the football program was larger than life. I don't know if the death penalty is 100% the right answer, but IF it will shock them into reality, then I would think long and hard but probably recommend it. It would make me SICK to even contemplate, what if, 1 or both of my 2 boys grows up (they are only 4 and 1 now), learns and likes football, is really good, good enough to attend camps and other learning clinics, goes to Penn St and this happens to one of them? Only to be told, well we knew it was an issue but we thought it was taken care of. It shouldn't take people to think...what if it happened to MY kids, we are as adults supposed to look out for EVERY kid, they are our future.
As far as not agreeing with reports, at some point, again it took me a while too, you have to look at it from the outside. When Bonfire first fell they did a big outside-independent report it showed fault and placed blame. A big argument from the "inside" was this is Texas A&M (A=agricultural M=mechanical=engineering SMART KIDS) so how can these so-called experts really know what they are talking about...well both sides had a point, but in the end it's people getting hurt and killed, not who is smarter. In the end you have to make the prudent choice when it comes to human life.
Thanks for listening, sorry if I upset anyone with this post. I'm just expressing my opinions, ranting a lot, and hopefully Penn St will get to the bottom of this SOON and we all can learn from it and hopefully move on.
This is super long so I'm responding in parts. The 1998 inquiry was handled by the DA and police and no charges were filed. That certainly isn't covering anything up in my eyes. The issue regarding that is that Joe said he knew nothing of it, but it was reference and implied he knew otherwise according to the report. There lies the problem regarding that date. Let's let factual information be factual and not stretch it to a cover up in 1998 when in fact it wasn't.
See now I'm getting more involved then I want to here grrrrrrrr....
Ok so after u reference the 1990's you then in the next paragraph imply that JoePa knew of and allowed the rape and abuse of young children to continue without any questions?? Are u fucking kidding me, first I keep hearing these email references and joe never used email. Some will say well his secretary did and emailed for Joe. So we know this as factual data or implied again? What did Curley and Joe discuss that made Curley change his mind not to contact authorities? I have no clue nor does anyone other then Curley.
The issue I have is you implied Joe allowed this savage to do this to children willingly and knowingly and I'm just not buying it.
What I do buy is that these 4 people, Joe, Graham, Curley and Shultz really screwed the pooch here and made a horrendous decision to not get this looked into in 2001 by people with authority to see if anything criminal had taken place. Call it what you want a cover up a mistake bottom line it was a total and utter fuck up of colossal magnitudes.
The problem is you are not going to convince anyone(me included) that Joe Paterno had no idea what the other 4 men were doing. Joe Paterno WAS(and to some people still is) Penn State football and 10-15 years ago I do not see much of anything happening without him knowing about it and in most instances saying yay or ney on decisions that were made.
I'll just end this by stating that listening to twitter or any news reporters claiming this or this should be done to the football program ARE STILL MISSING THE FUCKING POINT!!!!
How about anyone that did anything criminal be punished to the fullest for justice of the victims surrounding this.
Instead you have reporters and society in all their self righteousness that feel if they don't say the harshest penalties against PSU are less of a person and them themselves guilty of not sympathizing with the victims. The irony is they are doing the exact opposite. Just once I want to hear "with all of this that has come out, here is what Penn State now has in place to protect the youth surround the University (notice I didn't say football program)"
I'm not debating that, I'm asking if you or anyone in the truth of truth think for one second that Joe allowed the sexual molestation of children to occur continually for 10+ years? Something doesn't add up, we the public are missing something or not getting all the facts because while I agree the decisions (which are implied joe halted curley in reporting) were not good I just can't buy that joe knew to that type of degree this was happening and allowed it to continue.Quote:
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Lolol, ok I gotta stop before I snap a blood vessel in disgust for this day and the handling of this tragedy.
Do you think parents of child molesters feel the same way you do about there kids when they first find out? Sorry snoop, but I do and that is the exact reason I have stayed out of this thread until today. If this were to happen at Miami, I would not be able to be a fan of the school anymore. I would root for USF(bro-in-law's school) or another team that I may have some fondness too. I just think whether you want to believe it or not, there is just too much evidence to suggest that JoePa knew SOMETHING. And to me, if you hear anything about something like this it is your duty as a human being to do everything in your power to take care of it.(not saying you do not feel the same way)
I do feel the same way, I want justice for each and every victim and want all the facts to come out too which is debatable too.Quote:
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I root for the players and team not the administration. I couldn't see myself root for another team like I do PSU.