Starting a new one after the idea from JHC.
With two game updates and two Live Tuning Packages, share your thoughts on the game with the community!
Starting a new one after the idea from JHC.
With two game updates and two Live Tuning Packages, share your thoughts on the game with the community!
Defense, in general, appears to be back to what it was in '10. Basically, incredibly easy, even with the sliders I was using to make the CPU better at running the ball prepatch have basically become nothing now as, once again, the CPU is pretty easy to stop.
So, no reason to try to work on my Max Defense sliders, I take it. :D I finally was going to have time this weekend!
Oh, I'm sure there's a way to make them actually competent but lets just say I just finished playing a game against Virginia Tech with WVU where I ran the ball for 275ish yards on 25 or 30 carries (Devin had like 20 carries for 230 yards or something insane like that) with rush defense set to 60 and tackling at 50.
I'm probably going to up some things and see if they make a difference. I'm pretty sure that raising tackling actually causes teams to play significantly better defense against the run because I did have it at 55 and they seemed to shut everything down. I lowered it to 50 and it opened up big time. Very strange.
On my Heisman sliders, after 1 game, my D got sacks galore (QB was holding onto the ball quite a long time....), but the CPU passing % was reasonable and their RB averaged 5.5ypc. Seemed to see better separation against man coverage, particularly when the CPU's S tried to man up on my slot receiver which 86 yards later was a TD......he left him on the cut to the post. The CPU actually played my running game decently, except for the 78 yard TD run I had.....my starting RB was at 4ypc if you leave that run out and the CPU was very aggressive in stopping my run game.
Initial feel, for my Heisman sliders, is that human pass coverage and rush will need to drop slightly, while CPU pass coverage and pass block may need a slight bump up.
Oh, and zones were a bit better about not getting torched as easily......I almost ran no zone pre-patch since CPU would slice them up easily.....now the coverage was making the QB hold the ball a bit and the rush would get to him.
Have to play more games to make sure it wasn't some flukey stuff since it was a home game for me.
Has anyone else messed with fake snap post-patch? fsuprime noticed in a game in our OD that he used it and the opposing DL jumped even when on normal (and maybe on conservative?). He indicated that it could become an issue... any other experiences with it so far?
Against the CPU, I have done it several times and I have yet to get them to jump offsides (that's on All-American with 100 Offsides slider).Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
Twice in 4 games, I got the CPU to jump and give me a "free play". Doesn't seem bad to me. I probably tried about 5 times per game.Quote:
Originally Posted by gschwendt
I was able to play two more games last night with both the patch and tuner. I had read about people saying that a lot of slider tweaks are necessary but I don't think so. Some areas have definitely changed so tweaks may be necessary but I don't think any huge changes will be required. Prior to the patch I probably had both human and cpu running games a little too strong while the passing games weren't quite open enough. The patch fixed both problems for me.
The outside running game is certainly a lot tougher now. I usually run between the tackles and don't use many speed backs so this won't affect me much. But when I called outside runs the results were usually 1-2 yard gains. I did get a couple decent runs but no long runs and my share of negative ones as well. I actually found there were an increase overall in the number of negative runs in the two games I played. I think it's good and helps tone down the ypc. To run outside now I think people are going to have to use it to punish teams cheating inside or use players that have the speed to get outside quicker. I think this is a good change and the overall rushing numbers for both human and cpu will be down a bit post patch.
The passing game has been loosened up for both human and cpu and this was needed imo. Man coverage isn't as tight and I found myself completing a lot more slants. The psychic DBs you would see at times definitely seem toned down. Both myself and the cpu seemed to have more success passing and this is something I was looking forward to. If you liked your sliders pre-patch you might want to boost cpu and human pass coverage a notch or two to keep it the same post-patch. I found the overall offensive numbers in my game to be similar to pre-patch. Its just that the running games took a slight hit and the passing game got a bit of a boost. I don't see a difference in the pass rush. In two games I was able to get about the same amount of pressure as pre-patch so this is one concern that I read about that I didn't see.
I was thinking I hadn't seen many drops until my impact WR dropped a wide open TD pass in the endzone. SOB!! I don't think the Catch or INT sliders need to be adjusted post patch but it's only two games. I had read that quarterbacks were more accurate but I think the jury is still out on that. I still saw misfires by both my QB and the cpu QB. Quarterbacks will have more success now with man coverage toned down but I don't know if the QB accuracies have really increased post patch. With just two games I'm far more likely to keep all my sliders intact at the moment.
I definitely saw a few more penalties than before. You certainly can pull the cpu offsides now. I could never do it prior to the patch. I could catch them cheating but they always got back in time. In two games I got three encroachment penalties and a delayed offsides. Unfortunately, the cpu never drew me offsides and I had my DL on aggressive the entire time.
Maybe I was just lucky but in my first dynasty season I never had any long term injuries. In three dynasty games post-patch (one without the tuner) I've had a RB go down for 7 weeks and my starting QB Forcier go down for 4 weeks. Coincidence or OSU programmer? By the way, screw you Ohio! Had the #1 OLB and #3 DE, both kids from Ohio, commit to OSU this past week. I had been fighting tooth and nail with them the entire season. Not used to not getting recruits but AA recruiting is a lot more fun that way.
I think the punt returns are slightly easier. The blocking isn't quite as dumb but you still won't see many big returns. Kick returns are still tough. I'd rather it be like this than too many big returns but I think it could still be loosened up some more. I think the patch made kicking field goals easier. I have no idea why they would make that change. I had been playing with human FG accuracy at 30 but the last few games the game didn't seem to punish me as hard for not lining the kick meter up right. Am I the only one seeing this? I'll play some more before changing but I really do think this got changed.
Overall I'm happy with the patch. There are some nice changes that I think people will like.
Edit: I think injury notifications are fixed now. Erin Andrews talks more and I think we see them all now.
Also, I only saw one fumble total (on a punt return) between all teams in two games. That may have been toned down.
I've played 4 games and I haven't seen anything that would warrant a slider change just yet. I do wonder about injuries too. I went all season with virtually nothing then had a rash of them in my 2 Dynasty games to close out the season. I still wish we'd see offensive linemen get hurt and a higher occurrence of defensive injuries.
My sliders have changed since the patch. I had them right where I wanted them but now I have to make some changes. Since the patch my pass rush is great, a little too great. Vs Miami I had 7-8 sacks. My run D is great and my rushing is way too good. I had 225 yards on 25 carries and thats them most I have ever had. I think I am going to lower my run block and pass rush and increase the CPU run block and see what that does.
it seems uver v user jump the snap may be broken, i think it may be fine if the users never turn aggressive DL on (i never do) but once someone does and is drawn offsides, even if he changes to normal or conservative his players will be susceptible, lots of talk on utopia about it :/
I agree with Rudy. The patch will have minimal effect on my sliders. The one area that I have noticed a slight difference is cpu rushing and human rushing. My RB aren't breaking huge gains to the outside as often as they were before. That's really good because it has brought my rushing avg down which I just could not fix with sliders. Second, the CPU rushing game is somewhat improved. I originally had the cpu RB at 60 and RB blocking at 80. I am going to move the cpu rb to 50 and the rb blocking to 75 and see how that does.
QB Accuracy may be too good. The sliders I'm using for my OD are set at 25 for HUM QB Accuracy but despite that, my 70THA QB completed 11/21 passes... most of the incompletions were either the defense making a play or me forcing a pass. Pretty much all of the throws were as the QB was standing tall and his couple of throw-on-the-run passes were errant but still yet... just didn't feel right for that low of a rated QB.
What are your rushing sliders set to for HUM and CPU? Also what do you have your tak and Rush d set to for HUM and CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaymo76
This is what I am using as of todayQuote:
Originally Posted by griffin2608
Cpu RB 55 (FROM 60)
Cpu run block 75 (FROM 80)
Cpu rush D 70
Hum RB 50
Hum rush block 50
Hum rush D 30
I have tackling at 50 for hum and cpu. Other than the changes listed above I really haven't changed my sliders since week one.
I think I need to trash my ND Dynasty, take some time to rework sliders, and start over.
The sliders I have were perfect before patch 2. Now, in season 4, I'm getting a headache playing the game. I run all over the CPU, I can't pass or pass protect, I get no pass rush, I watch the CPU complete 80%, and I watch them miss PAT after PAT. And, the games are now fumble fests.
I think part of the problem is sliders and part is recruiting and progression issues. I was near the end of year 2 when the first set of fixes hit. That means I had 1 year of bad progression and 2 crops of bad recruits. Now, it shows. I doubt I have the patience to play a few years to let things level out.
But, even if I play horrible teams, the games feel the same. I'm no longer certain if it's bad players, bad sliders or both. I need to play with the default rosters again and see if it's sliders.
I'm skeptical that starting over is going to fix the kicking game. It'd be a shame if such a fantastic game is ruined by so many horribly inaccurate kickers. I know the new classes are better, but I doubt they're good enough. Simming PATs may end up being the way to go.
Honestly, I'm not sure if I have the energy to go through slider work again.
Someone talk me off the ledge, lol.
I feel the same man and I wish I could but I feel the same way. I'm seeing drastic differences as well in season 4 as well and it's driving me nuts. I hate to start over though cause I'm getting some awesome recruits now and everything but it definitely looks like that's what I'm going to have to do to get any type of consistency out of this game now...Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
Yeah, I had the #1 class after season 3. I know what you mean about not wanting to start over. I went 11-2, 10-3 and 11-2 in the first 3 years. I had a blast. Now, I have a headache.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I guess it's up to me to decide if I wanna work with sliders or wait for NHL.
Off topic, I guess, but looking at the CPU's Depth Charts makes me ill. Nearly every defensive position has a FS as a backup. Why on earth would the CPU let an 84 OVR LG rot on the bench while starting a 67 RG and a 52 C? The CPU needs serious work to it's depth chart/position change logic.
One thing I've noticed is I can finally get some INT's. Still had several drops but felt I caught the ones that were obvious.
So, I played about a half with the default rosters and, while it may be mental, it sure seemed like the game was playing faster (than my season 4 dynasty). I was using the exact same sliders I have in my Dynasty. Same game speed, everything. I'm beginning to think that the only solution is to start a new Dynasty (after some slider work). I'm reasonably certain, at this point, that recruiting and progression issues are my biggest problem and there's nothing I can do about that. I can only hope the fixes have cleared eveything up or I'll be in the same spot after another few years on a new Dynasty.
I'm thinking that it's definitely progression causing the issue and instead of fretting over it, I think I'm going to just sim a few seasons forward (still recruiting and everything) and then see if it's still an issue. It's not a very fun alternative, but it's definitely better than completely starting over.
I thought about that too. I don't see myself picking up a few seasons down the line though. When I say "start over", I mean a new team and everything. I think I need to just digest it all for a few days and see what a clear mind tells me.Quote:
Originally Posted by morsdraconis
I've only played one game post patch, and other than my HUM QB Accuracy being a little higher than I expected, nothing seemed off. CPU running game was decent but not spectacular, my running game was the same.
Well, lets just say, year 4 with my B across the table team, against an A offense B defense team, I blow them out and run for 250+ yards.
Two games later, same team Bs across against an A- offense B+ defense, I get massacred 60-15, my QB throws multiple absolutely RETARDED interceptions, my offensive line can't block worth shit, my RBs won't break tackles, my corners won't cover anyone, no one will make a damn tackle, etc.
It felt like I changed the sliders significantly when I didn't change a thing at all.
Same offense, same gameplan, same everything (besides playing at their place instead of mine). I mean, that's just fuckin' crazy the incredible inconsistencies put forth by two games. Granted, I was so pissed about that absolute bullshit game, I haven't tried to play it again to see if it was just a fluke or what, but to have such drastic differences in score just blows me away, especially since opponent two had a "worse" offense.
I think some of the issues mors and steelerfan are having are due to poor recruiting classes before the patch. I have only had one recruiting class and it was after the first tuning set. Nebraska had a terrible kicker last night but I won't be seeing the progression issues like you guys are and hopefully won't have the same depth chart issues.
I actually think the new patch made running the ball harder. I know I've had a lot less success. I think the human pass rush has gotten a boost and I will tone that down. I think the cpu run block might need some more boosting. I don't see much difference in QB accuracy. One thing I do see is they made all the kickers legs and accuracy better. This might be better for bad kickers down the road but it's not good for the default kickers. I am knocking down every single kicking slider by one notch.
I do notice some glitches. I'm getting audio skips at times when it switches to my custom sounds on 4th down. And I had a game freeze just before halftime of my Nebraska game. I was pretty annoyed to have to play the game 1.5 times last night. Furthermore, replays during the coach's challenge appear to have gone missing. Not a big deal but I don't think it was like that before.
I did see the cpu QB throw the ball downfield on a screen pass. That was nice. Overall I'm happy with the patch but some sliders are going to have to be tweaked. I don't think wholesale changes are necessary based on the initial rosters though.
I've played several games post Patch #2 now and I'm going to have to adjust my sliders. In my Duke Dynasty I'm in Year 2 now and in the Previous year I got DESTROYED by Va Tech. I adjusted the sliders even more in favor of the CPU to start the 2011 season and I beat Va Tech 34-24 throwing for like 380 something yards with 3 TDs and 0 INTs.
two major things i've noticed post patch... cpu qb accuracy increased significantly...
the game glitches at certain points .. happened to me right before a fg...
could be just me but i also noticed a couple times where the WRs caught the ball in a weird animation with their hands...
theres def a diff feel to the game post patch.. i've only played two games since though both on AA... with Louisville (my offline dynasty) first one i beat WV second one got blown out by Pitt...
Rudy, you are correct about recruiting and progression but I would guess that your first class is bad if you started the dynasty before the first tuner. My understanding of the game is that once you start a season and the CPU generates a class, those player's ratings as freshman are set. in other words, just because we can't see that a guy will be an 80 OVR, it's already set in stone. A tuner added in week 11, for example, will not suddenly make that guy an 83. It's too late for that class. The next class (2nd in your case) would be better.
If that's not the way it works, then I only have 1 bad class too.
I'm almost 100% positive this is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelerfan
It's a bit annoying to have to tweak sliders a little more but I think human pass rush (-2 clicks?) and rush defense (-2 clicks?) will need to be toned down. I think the kickers got a big boost in the patch and every one of them needs to be bumped down 1-2 clicks (power and accuracy for human, cpu power although cpu accuracy I'm undecided on). I'm not touching the QB accuracy slider. Still seeing misfires and I like the improvement in the passing game.
The more I play post patch the more frustrated I get with the horrible cpu running game. It's just awful right now. I think this area will require a lot more adjusting than I thought. Right now I've got cpu run block at 100 and human run defense at 30. Maybe I should just try human run defense at 0 and see how it plays. The sliders in the run blocking and defense areas are very weak. Reminds me of NCAA 09 in this area and that's not a good thing. I like that the patch made my running game tougher but it's too tough on the cpu right now.
Hook zones are now completely useless when the ball is on the hashmark. I'm not sure if it was always like this or not. For some reason I thought that before the patch you could manually reposition a player and re-hot route him to a hook zone, and he would stay and guard the desired area.
Agreed on hook zones. I found one way they end up being useful, but that is ... well, not a very useful technique. But without any adjustments, they're absolutely useless from the hash.
Which basically means that zone defense is worthless from the hash. Which then means that pass defense is essentially broken, since the ball is on or near the hash a majority of the time.
So, in other words, not much has changed from last year on that front. They were broken last year, they're broken this year.
Yes, but this year it's probably a bigger problem because of the running game and also the slightly toned down man coverage (post-patch).
The basic problem is that defenders are too concerned with getting to a predetermined drop point and do not adjust to routes that develop in front of them before they get to that drop point. In the middle of the field this isn't a HUGE issue, since the drop points generally position the defenders so as to remain between the WR and the ball for most of the route anyways, but when the ball is on the hashmark all of the angles change, and so it opens up huge gaping holes in the defense. By the time the defenders hit their drop point and then begin to adjust to the routes, receivers are often running completely free in the secondary.
Because this impacts ALL underneath defenders, there's no real workable way to cover it with manual defense, as there will always be a huge hole somewhere that there shouldn't be. Additionally, the deep zones are just awful at picking up anything other than deep lobs, so if you concentrate on covering the shorter stuff manually then the intermediate to deep stuff will not be covered very well.
Strange thing ... I was on the hash and called one of the zone defenses ... and then hot routed my two DEs to hook zones. The two LBs in the middle were already in hooks. All four players dropped almost straight back. I almost want to chalk it up to a fluke, but ... I swear I saw it.
After a few days I can now say I have some major issues with this game post patch 2.
1. The game has become to easy... games just aren't as challenging~ I haven't lost a game yet on AA
2. What happened to the cpu rush game? Post patch two not one team has over 100 yards ruhsing.... (the closest was 71)
3. I think zones are even worse than before???
However, the BIGGEST ISSUE that still remains is the CPU DEPTH CHART GLITCH. In year five of my dynasty it is absolutely brutal!!! The strong teams don't have as many issues, but the small programmes are in complete dissaray.
Eg.
Bowling Green:
QB #2 SS
QB#3 FS
RG#1 TE
RT#1 TE
C#1 DT
WR#2 SS
WR#3 CB
DE#1 FS
DE#2 SS
DT#1 TE
DT#3 FS
MLB#1 SS
** notice a trend here? After the game I go and check out BG's roster. They are short in most positions. However, the worst part... no word of a lie...they have 7 Strong safties and 5 Full safties. Once fatigue kicks in it's just a joke. This needs to be fixed. A lot of you who are only in season one/two may not notice this yet but at this point for me it's really impacting a game that just a week ago I was loving. This needs to be fixed ASAP or else a great game will hit the shelf far before its time.
Jaymo, they said they fixed the problem of teams stockpiling certain positions. Your Dynasty (like mine) would take years to correct itself. A patch isn't going to instantly correct a roster that has 7 Free Safeties and such. That would take a few years for that team to turnover their roster.
That being said, I don't know if it's fixed now. The only way to find out would be to start a new Dynasty and get back to year 5 or so.