Gamespot's "On The Spot" with NCAA Football 12 - Video & Recap

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05-12-2011, 05:35 PM
gschwendt

Gamespot's "On The Spot" with NCAA Football 12 - Video & Recap

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As part of the May 12 edition of GameSpot's "On The Spot" web program, the show featured a taped interview with NCAA Football 12 producer Ben Haumiller discussing the game and featuring some gameplay footage. To watch the video archive of the show, head over to GameSpot.com and continue on to read our show recap. After watching, share your thoughts with the community.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjXfiYA4gl4

Show recap:

- Ben Haumiller with host
- Wanted to add unique team elements, such as entrances in pre-game and also aspects during the game
- Oklahoma's Sooner Schooner entrance shown
- Enhanced Collision System discussed
- Oklahoma State (Alex Howell) at Oklahoma (CPU)
- GameTrack discussed. Can be very detailed or simple in telling game story
- 3D Grass and Crowd discussed
- HDR Lighting discussed
- Game in stores July 12 for 360 and PS3
05-12-2011, 06:34 PM
souljahbill

They're talking about SMB3 now. Have they shown the NCAA footage yet?
05-12-2011, 06:39 PM
gschwendt

Quote:

Originally Posted by souljahbill

They're talking about SMB3 now. Have they shown the NCAA footage yet?

Nope... they've made mention that it will be on the show but haven't actually shown anything.
05-12-2011, 06:55 PM
xMrHitStickx904

started.
05-12-2011, 06:59 PM
xMrHitStickx904

tackles look great. from how he's playing, he's making good reads, thus finding the holes.
05-12-2011, 07:06 PM
cdj

Show recap:

- Ben Haumiller with host
- Wanted to add unique team elements, such as entrances in pre-game and also aspects during the game
- Oklahoma's Sooner Schooner entrance shown
- Enhanced Collision System discussed
- Oklahoma State (Alex Howell) at Oklahoma (CPU)
- GameTrack discussed. Can be very detailed or simple in telling game story
- 3D Grass and Crowd discussed
- HDR Lighting discussed
- Game in stores July 12 for 360 and PS3
05-12-2011, 07:06 PM
souljahbill

It just ended. Not bad. :up:
05-12-2011, 07:12 PM
WolverineJay

I tuned in just in time to see the touch pass over the LB on the 4 verts play that went for a TD. I'm 90% sure that LB would have broke that up or picked it off in NCAA 11.
05-12-2011, 07:25 PM
WolverineJay

Also heard Ben say that even though they improved zone defense this year it isn't overpowered at all. Then he elaborated that there will be holes in the zone to allow an offense to still move the ball against zone D, which is all were asking for in the sim community.
05-12-2011, 08:13 PM
Jayrah

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineJay

Also heard Ben say that even though they improved zone defense this year it isn't overpowered at all. Then he elaborated that there will be holes in the zone to allow an offense to still move the ball against zone D, which is all were asking for in the sim community.

Not to be rude.... But Ben talking about the stuff means squat! Lol. Of course he'll talk it up! That being said, it looks like it will play the way they're describing. If it does and they don't tweak it to death after release for anything that's "too hard" I think this is the version I've been searching for since this gen released!
05-12-2011, 08:43 PM
WolverineJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayrah

Not to be rude.... But Ben talking about the stuff means squat! Lol. Of course he'll talk it up! That being said, it looks like it will play the way they're describing. If it does and they don't tweak it to death after release for anything that's "too hard" I think this is the version I've been searching for since this gen released!

LOL. You can be rude to Ben he said it not me, lol. I just reported what he said for those that didn't watch the show.
05-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Rudy

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolverineJay

Also heard Ben say that even though they improved zone defense this year it isn't overpowered at all. Then he elaborated that there will be holes in the zone to allow an offense to still move the ball against zone D, which is all were asking for in the sim community.

The OS preview on Madden felt the zone defence was a little too over powered. Still a little worried about it.
05-12-2011, 08:54 PM
WolverineJay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy

The OS preview on Madden felt the zone defence was a little too over powered. Still a little worried about it.

I understand what everyone is saying and will withhold my personal judgement until I get my hands on the demo next month, but in the video the guy completed a 4 verts play for a TD versus a cover 2 zone. He hit the post route wr over the deep middle, which is a realistic hole in that zone defense so that was promising to see.
05-12-2011, 09:10 PM
xMrHitStickx904

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/smack.gif

^ OS previews have let me down lately.
05-12-2011, 09:15 PM
JeffHCross

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy

The OS preview on Madden felt the zone defence was a little too over powered. Still a little worried about it.

Trust me, we'll keep our eyes on it for you ;)
05-12-2011, 10:58 PM
Jaredlib

Guys....uh hopefully someone can held me calm about this stuff but after watching that video I am VERY concerned.

The OSU guy hits the same post route twice in a row right before Ben specifically says something about the post route being stopped this year. Right after that you see the verticals play that looks exactly like it does against zone in NCAA 11 with the MLB getting no depth. Also the OSU QB scrambles twice and the defenders don't react all until he crosses the line of scrimmage.

On defense you see him call man coverage, control the LB who is manned up with the RB (who runs to the flats) and just abandons his coverage and blitzes, forcing an incomplete pass even though the RB is WIDE open.

The positive from the video is, just like the IGN vids, you see the computer running backs run the ball with authority, pulling off a nice spin in this one. Looked good.

I was really happy with what I saw in the IGN videos but this vid brought me way down. It looked like some cheese tactics will work just as well in 12 to, just being honest. I am gonna watch it again
05-12-2011, 11:10 PM
rhombic21

Yeah, the video didn't look so great with respect to zone coverage against the skinny post or with respect to DL pass rush (which is developing as a trend). Again, the DL doesn't do a good job collapsing the pocket or maintaining rush lanes, and the second level defenders do a poor job reacting to the QB scramble.

One thing that also sticks out to me is that the computer does a HORRIBLE job with alignment issues. Virtually every play in the video they align with the strong side of the defense to the wrong side. For instance, they are often times in a Nickel package, but play it with the CB on the weak side with no slot receiver or tight end to cover. This leaves the LB on the other side with multiple receivers to cover, and is just poor in terms of football fundamentals. There's no point in playing nickel if you aren't going to put your 3rd CB over a receiver.

These are the AI things that EA needs to get right if offline play is ever going to be realistic. The computer just doesn't make intelligent decisions, whether you're talking about playcalling, utilizing substitution packages, or pre-snap adjustments.
05-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Jaredlib

Can the community guys please look into this at the next event? I am begging you guys to look the devs in the eyes and tell them this stuff isn't right
05-13-2011, 02:39 AM
Jayrah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaredlib

Can the community guys please look into this at the next event? I am begging you guys to look the devs in the eyes and tell them this stuff isn't right

:D

You gotta think that was on Varsity Default settings. That was some crappy defense by the #1 squad in the land. Community guys have already said it's not that easy. I don't think there's anything to take out of the video.
05-13-2011, 05:07 AM
Rudy

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhombic21

One thing that also sticks out to me is that the computer does a HORRIBLE job with alignment issues. Virtually every play in the video they align with the strong side of the defense to the wrong side. For instance, they are often times in a Nickel package, but play it with the CB on the weak side with no slot receiver or tight end to cover. This leaves the LB on the other side with multiple receivers to cover, and is just poor in terms of football fundamentals. There's no point in playing nickel if you aren't going to put your 3rd CB over a receiver.

This has always been a minor beef for me as a user as well. When I call nickel zone against a 3 WR set, I expect my nickel CB to line up against the slot WR. I shouldn't have to flip the formation every time to make this happen and it completely gives up the fact I'm playing zone. The same logic should apply to the cpu.

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