Plan for Next Powerhouse OD

[JeffHCross]

Alright, gentlemen ... it looks like it falls to me to keep this ship headed in the right direction (well, any direction, actually). I've never been a commish before, so there will probably be some growing pains (namely in the offseason), but we'll get through. But here are my ideas for the "next" Powerhouse OD. Feel free to leave feedback, especially if you have objections to anything I suggest here. This is a plan ... not set in stone by any means.

Start Date
Because I know several people, including myself, have a busy week this week and also for the 4th, I don't plan on taking the field until July 6th at the earliest. We'll start drafting and things like that before then, but I don't expect the Preseason to start until July 6th.

Teams
Obviously this will depend on rosters but, based on the default rosters, my current plan is for 84 OVR and below, 3-star and below teams to be the pool to choose from. This is subject to change based on rosters and the fact that I'm currently relying on memory. But I believe with 84 OVR, 3-star as the cutoff, there are at least two teams available in each conference for us to choose. These are the Vanderbilt, Kansas, and Indianas of the CFB world, so choose wisely ... and hey, you might as well take on a challenge while you're at it.

Rosters
I'm 50/50 on these right now. A few different teams are working on 2015-16 rosters on Operation Sports right now, so I'm considering those. In at least one of those threads, I saw someone else say that Ole Miss stopped being playable for them in Year 2 of the dynasty, so it's interesting that Ole Miss is becoming a common problem. I'm going to try to play around with those rosters and see if I can find any bugs (like teams that don't have conference games, Ole Miss problems, things like that). Otherwise we'll probably just go with the default, out-of-the-box rosters with auto-named players.

Coaches
My plan is to have everyone use Existing Coaches. I will customize them as you wish in terms of appearance, name, etc. But I think Existing Coaches is the way to go. That removes (IMO) the likelihood of adding a new user being a dynasty killer ... if their coach isn't earning XP, they can change teams without creating a new coach. It also removes the threat of getting fired ... if your coach gets fired, you can quit and rejoin as the new coach that was hired. Basically my thought on a fired coach is that you can either follow your coach to his new school or quit and take over the new coach at your previous school.

Sliders

Assuming we restart, I think we should either use the Operation Sports community sliders (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ncaa-football-sliders/641608-ncaa-14-os-community-playmakers-split-sliders.html) (which, if memory serves, required some edits to coach philosophy) or use these sliders from MrHurricane:
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I know they may seem easier than our current sliders, but he uses them for his NCAA YouTube videos (which I've watched and seen him lose appropriately) and ny_kia also uses them for his offline dynasty and OD (KIA is currently 1-2 with Kent State)I'm planning to test the OS Community Sliders in Year 5 of a dynasty this week, so we'll see how I like them. Main things I'm looking for are QB accuracy and RB/tackling ability.

Death Penalty Dynasty
As I've said several times, I want to play at least a couple games of the DPD before moving on. Assuming that G wants to move on ASAP, I'm going to join with my alt account tomorrow, and he can transfer commish to me. Everyone who isn't interested in continuing with the DPD will be set to auto (or can retire), and those of us (myself, Escobar, etc) that want to keep playing can do so.


Any objections ... discuss below. Anything I didn't think to mention here ... ask the question, 'cause I'm sure I forgot something.

[skipwondah33]

Sound good to me

May as well run a few games with my improved LSU team next season.

[JeffHCross]

Knew I forgot something ...

Bringing over players from DPD
Several players, myself included, have expressed interest in keeping some of our players from the Death Penalty Dynasty. Others have said they wanted to start from scratch. In an attempt to split the difference, my proposal is to allow up to 5 players (max of 3 on one side of the ball) to be copied from DPD to the new dynasty. You do not have to use all five. Copied players will maintain ratings post progression and maintain their class for what would have been the next DPD season. So a freshman that was redshirted this season will be a redshirt freshman, sophomores become juniors, etc. Copied players will replace the best existing player for the class level of the copied player, or closest available. In other words, if the team you pick already has a stud freshman WR, you don't get a 2nd one by copying a player ... you just have 1, and he's the player you would have had in DPD, if you choose to do so.

Anyway, just an idea ... let me know if you guys are good with that. I figure two guys isn't going to make or break an offense, but we also worked hard to recruit these players and it sucks to have to leave them.

[skipwondah33]

I'm in the minority in that part, not interested in bringing anyone over...even though next season I will have what will be the best collective of players I have had up to this point

[JeffHCross]

I actually don't think you're in the minority, skip, but I think both sides feel strongly so I'm trying to split the difference.

[marcotte14]

Are we dropping ratings of the rosters once we choose our teams like a DP OD? IMO I think starting at 84 overall or less is pretty generous to start. By year 3, most of us should be close to 90 overall and be in the same situation were in now where user teams are consistenly in the top 10 every year. I want it to be a slow building process to keep the OD going for the long haul.

[TheAgency]

I agree with skip & marcotte. I think two star teams will give us longevity. Are you plucking teams from all over and building custom conferences. I'd rather not bring players over. We all start from ground zero and make it an arms race

[pearice]

I just want to play both leagues and keep them Rollin!

[JeffHCross]

Are we dropping ratings of the rosters once we choose our teams like a DP OD? IMO I think starting at 84 overall or less is pretty generous to start. By year 3, most of us should be close to 90 overall and be in the same situation were in now where user teams are consistenly in the top 10 every year. I want it to be a slow building process to keep the OD going for the long haul.My intention was to make it so at least two teams were available in every conference. The SEC obviously skewed the baseline as a result.

There will not be any reduction of teams from the rosters. I. E. no Death Penalty. That simply required too much work.

[Escobar]

Knew I forgot something ...

Bringing over players from DPD
Several players, myself included, have expressed interest in keeping some of our players from the Death Penalty Dynasty. Others have said they wanted to start from scratch. In an attempt to split the difference, my proposal is to allow up to 5 players (max of 3 on one side of the ball) to be copied from DPD to the new dynasty. You do not have to use all five. Copied players will maintain ratings post progression and maintain their class for what would have been the next DPD season. So a freshman that was redshirted this season will be a redshirt freshman, sophomores become juniors, etc. Copied players will replace the best existing player for the class level of the copied player, or closest available. In other words, if the team you pick already has a stud freshman WR, you don't get a 2nd one by copying a player ... you just have 1, and he's the player you would have had in DPD, if you choose to do so.

Anyway, just an idea ... let me know if you guys are good with that. I figure two guys isn't going to make or break an offense, but we also worked hard to recruit these players and it sucks to have to leave them.

I like this idea, and how it replaces your best player at that position. It still will keep it level.

[Papa LoneStar]

I'm down to bring players over....especially my QB.

I'm excited....I'm finally going to venture away from Texas....it hurts too bad when I lose....lol

[JeffHCross]

Are we dropping ratings of the rosters once we choose our teams like a DP OD? IMO I think starting at 84 overall or less is pretty generous to start. By year 3, most of us should be close to 90 overall and be in the same situation were in now where user teams are consistenly in the top 10 every year. I want it to be a slow building process to keep the OD going for the long haul.

I agree with skip & marcotte. I think two star teams will give us longevity. Are you plucking teams from all over and building custom conferences. I'd rather not bring players over. We all start from ground zero and make it an arms raceThere's no setup that will make everyone happy, but based on the discussion that happened before the Death Penalty dynasty, I don't think "slow building" is the direction everyone wants to go. This isn't a dynasty where we're going to start with Sun Belt level teams and work our way up to Powerhouse teams ... we aren't (at least I'm not) going to be starting with the Ohio States and Alabamas of the world, but we don't want to start with Old Dominion either.

Looking at one of the 2015-16 rosters (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ncaa-football-rosters/844354-ncaa-14-2015-2016-rosters-360-now-ps3.html), the team I plan to use is 75 OVR. But even if we make the cutoff 79 OVR, that still drastically limits the number of Power 5 conference teams that are available for choosing. I don't want the guys at the end of the draft forced to choose MAC teams just because that's the highest ranked team available.

And even if we are 84 OVR ranked teams, there are still plenty of teams above us. If you were 84 OVR, you'd be in the bottom 2 of the SEC ... and I fully plan on putting people in the SEC. I mean, c'mon ... the TGT OD started with 1* teams, and you (marcotte) went undefeated in your first year, and HANDS won the national championship in Year 2. We started this dynasty with Death Penalty teams and I won the national title in year 2. There's almost nothing we can do (besides heavy house rules and recruiting restrictions that are difficult to enforce and not fun for most people) that will actually make this a slow-build type OD.

Similarly, two star teams eliminates almost the entire Power 5. That's not the purpose here.

[marcotte14]

I guess the thing we can really do is find a good set of sliders to make the cpu more competitive and recruiting restrictions. I don't have a problem being in power 5 conference because I know the other teams will get better every year as opposed to being in the MAC or SunBelt.

[JeffHCross]

Agreed. If you look at how DPD played out, the Big Ten had the advantage of not facing Alabama every year. I'm hoping that if we do have to face Alabama or Ohio State every year, that might keep some user teams down in the first few years.

My plan at the moment is to follow similar recruiting restrictions to what we did with DPD. That worked pretty well.

[JeffHCross]

For anyone interested, go ahead and start taking a look at these rosters (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ncaa-football-rosters/844354-ncaa-14-2015-2016-rosters-360-now-ps3.html). I've only taken a glance at them so far, but they at least imply that they're "complete" minus a few things here and there. There are probably some teams that need a lot of help, but oh well. I'm choosing to think this is like an NCAA 16 release ... we all know those rosters were never perfect.

Anyway, go ahead and start taking a look and see if you see any obvious problems with those rosters. I'd like to at least get the rosters nailed down (chosen) before I leave for vacation on Tuesday, so we can have a draft over the holiday.

[psusnoop]

Jeff this sounds great! Also just go ahead and sim my bowl game and put me on auto as I am on vacation till July 5th.

I'm ok with not bringing any of my guys over. I like the idea of starting fresh. I'm also interested in the new rosters too. I think that would be fun.

[JeffHCross]

For anyone interested, go ahead and start taking a look at these rosters (http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ncaa-football-rosters/844354-ncaa-14-2015-2016-rosters-360-now-ps3.html). I've only taken a glance at them so far, but they at least imply that they're "complete" minus a few things here and there. There are probably some teams that need a lot of help, but oh well. I'm choosing to think this is like an NCAA 16 release ... we all know those rosters were never perfect.

Anyway, go ahead and start taking a look and see if you see any obvious problems with those rosters. I'd like to at least get the rosters nailed down (chosen) before I leave for vacation on Tuesday, so we can have a draft over the holiday.Still doing some simulations to see if I can find any obvious issues with these rosters. So far the Heisman Award results have been ... interesting, but whatever.

If we do a cut off of 3-star teams, regardless of OVR, here's the choices we would have. The top team (Georgia Tech) is 86 OVR. That's higher than I would like to see us start with, but as I've said before I don't want someone to feel forced to choose a non-Power 5 team. There are 15 Power 5 3-star teams. I also included the 3-star non-Power 5 in this list. List is sorted by OVR, then Coach Level, OFF, DEF.

EDIT: Any team from a non-Power 5 conference is eligible. There are no 4-star non-Power 5 (at least that I saw), I just didn't take the time to list the 2-star and 1-star schools here. If someone wants to be a 2-star or lower school, be my guest.



Team
Conference
Stars
OVR
OFF
DEF
Coach Lvl


Georgia Tech
ACC
3
86
84
87
25


NC State
ACC
3
86
88
85
21


Kansas St
XII
3
84
84
87
40


Colorado
Pac-12
3
84
86
85
25


Boston College
ACC
3
84
83
87
22


Boise State
MWest
3
84
83
85
14


Duke
ACC
3
83
83
83
34


Wash St
Pac-12
3
83
83
82
32


Northwestern
B1G
3
83
83
85
28


Cincinnati
American
3
81
84
80
30


Minnesota
B1G
3
81
81
80
26


Iowa State
XII
3
81
79
83
24


Wake Forest
ACC
3
81
77
85
20


Marshall
C-USA
3
81
81
80
17


Purdue
B1G
3
79
77
82
22


Syracuse
ACC
3
79
81
76
19


USF
American
3
79
77
82
18


Indiana
B1G
3
79
81
76
17


Houston
American
3
79
79
78
15


Toledo
MAC
3
79
83
76
13


SMU
American
3
77
77
78
27


ECU
C-USA
3
75
75
76
18


Connecticut
American
3
75
75
76
15


Kansas
XII
3
75
75
76
10



These coach levels may seem high, and there are a few that I'd consider artificially lowering just to not give one person such a large advantage (K-State comes to mind). But these rosters come with some very high coach levels ... Nick Saban is a 52. Just to show you what we're up against, here's the 4 through 6 star teams.



Team
Conference
Stars
Overall
OFF
DEF
Coach Level


Ohio State
B1G
6
99
99
97
46


Alabama
SEC
6
95
93
97
52


LSU
SEC
6
93
93
92
44


Florida State
ACC
6
93
91
93
42


Georgia
SEC
6
91
93
92
41


Auburn
SEC
6
91
90
93
35


USC
Pac-12
6
91
93
90
31


Florida
SEC
6
90
86
95
24


Texas
XII
6
88
84
90
31


Oklahoma
XII
5
93
91
93
43


Stanford
Pac-12
5
91
93
90
35


UCLA
Pac-12
5
91
93
92
31


Oregon
Pac-12
5
91
95
90
28


South Car
SEC
5
90
90
90
37


Tennessee
SEC
5
90
88
92
34


Texas A&M
SEC
5
90
90
90
30


Cal
Pac-12
5
90
91
88
24


Clemson
ACC
5
88
91
87
35


Arkansas
SEC
5
88
91
85
34


Ole Miss
SEC
5
88
91
87
33


Miami
ACC
5
88
88
90
31


Michigan
B1G
5
88
88
90
30


Nebraska
B1G
5
88
90
87
25


Washington
Pac-12
5
86
86
87
34


Baylor
XII
4
91
91
92
40


TCU
XII
4
91
95
88
36


Michigan St
B1G
4
90
93
87
39


Virginia Tech
ACC
4
90
88
93
37


Arizona
Pac-12
4
90
91
88
36


Arizona St
Pac-12
4
90
90
90
35


North Carolina
ACC
4
90
90
88
22


Missouri
SEC
4
88
86
90
38


Louisville
American/ACC
4
88
88
87
37


Miss St
SEC
4
88
88
88
35


OK St
XII
4
88
86
92
34


Penn State
B1G
4
88
90
88
29


West Virginia
XII
4
88
86
90
29


Utah
Pac-12
4
88
88
90
28


Wisconsin
B1G
4
88
88
88
28


Pittsburgh
ACC
4
88
91
85
25


Kentucky
SEC
4
88
84
90
25


Texas Tech
XII
4
86
88
85
19


Rutgers
American/B1G
4
86
84
88
17


Oregon St
Pac-12
4
84
84
83
31


Virginia
ACC
4
84
83
87
22


Iowa
B1G
4
83
83
83
37


Vanderbilt
SEC
4
83
84
83
18


Maryland
ACC
4
81
81
80
23


Illinois
B1G
4
79
83
78
18

[skipwondah33]

Nice, thanks for posting Jeff

Quite a few options

[TheAgency]

Are custom conferences a bad deal? Bringing over let's say Temple and kicking out a bottom feeder. Would that mess up what we are trying to achieve.

[JeffHCross]

Are custom conferences a bad deal? Bringing over let's say Temple and kicking out a bottom feeder. Would that mess up what we are trying to achieve.No, that should be doable, and in fact I'm planning on it. However, I want to make as few changes as possible. Going into the DPD we changed every user conference to be only 10 teams, which meant some conference had, I think, up to 16 teams. I think it would be better to keep the conference sizes as they are and just swap teams rather than change the actual size.

The roster I've linked to includes instructions on what conference changes to make in order to replicate the 2015 season as closely as possible. I intend to do that, and then additionally swap user teams into conferences.

Right now I think the user conferences will probably be the SEC, ACC and Pac-12, both because those conferences have 6-star teams and they all have CCGs. That's as even a playing field as we can make it. The SEC and Pac-12 have the highest average OVRs among 4-6 star teams, with the B1G and ACC even and just behind.

Might go with SEC, Pac-12 and B1G, with somebody like Florida State and Miami swapped into the B1G to make them a little more top heavy. And if I did that the Rose Bowl would not be B1G vs Pac because that would mean two conference champions would have a guaranteed user game and that's not fair/even.

[psusnoop]

I love it actually. I have my team in mind already haha

[marcotte14]

I'm surprised there are no 3* SEC teams.

[JeffHCross]

I'm surprised there are no 3* SEC teams.Yeah, I was too. There are in the default roster, but only two (Vandy and Kentucky). I'm not sure what criteria they used to determine what rankings teams were, but they clearly changed quite a few teams. Overall I like where they have most teams though.

[Papa LoneStar]

What's the issue with creating coaches? And if we are able to....what's the starting level?

[marcotte14]

Yeah, I was too. There are in the default roster, but only two (Vandy and Kentucky). I'm not sure what criteria they used to determine what rankings teams were, but they clearly changed quite a few teams. Overall I like where they have most teams though.

I agree, I didn't know that you could change the prestige, that they were just set at default when the game released. Not so sure I agree with Vandy being a 4*.....

[JeffHCross]

What's the issue with creating coaches? And if we are able to....what's the starting level?The issue is that a) we can't change the default starting level once the dynasty begins, so even if someone joins in year 5 they start at the same point we did & b) If you're forced to create a coach then you run the risk of not gaining XP (which has led to both of the last two restarts). If we use existing coaches, then if we find coaches that aren't earning XP, thoseteams just can't be used and the person can quit and rejoin with a different team. With created coaches that doesn't work.

I agree, I didn't know that you could change the prestige, that they were just set at default when the game released. Not so sure I agree with Vandy being a 4*.....They used the editor. You can change practically anything in there.

[skipwondah33]

Going to load these rosters and look at teams later today.

Getting that excitement back

[Papa LoneStar]

Definitely gotta do the same, Skip

[TheAgency]

Two questions, are we moving players from the old dynasty and how does the draft work.

[skipwondah33]

Unsure about the rosters

The team ratings aren't the same as you posted Jeff with these rosters.

Also the depth charts may be messed up.

Played Georgia and instead of 92 rated Chubb, they had #51 or whatever his name at RB

Only played a few series, will get back on here shortly

[marcotte14]

Played a half with 2 of the listed teams with the sliders posted and was up 35-0 with the opposing team not getting a first down in the first half. I know it was only a brief sample size, but it still seems way too easy to stop the cpu. I will play again, and encourage others to get a feel for it before we kick this off. Would like to get a good competitive set of sliders down.

[skipwondah33]

Unsure about the rosters

The team ratings aren't the same as you posted Jeff with these rosters.

Also the depth charts may be messed up.

Played Georgia and instead of 92 rated Chubb, they had #51 or whatever his name at RB

Only played a few series, will get back on here shortly

So yeah #51 is the MLB and he's #1 on the depth chart at RB at a 55 rating. Nevermind again he's an MLB. Chubb is #2 on depth chart

So these rosters will need to be looked over before put into use.

Edit: Georgia also has a LT with a 0 rating at the #5 WR spot. Has a blank for speed and acceleration. They also have a QB at the CB position

There are quite a few teams messed up

[JeffHCross]

So yeah #51 is the MLB and he's #1 on the depth chart at RB at a 55 rating. Nevermind again he's an MLB. Chubb is #2 on depth chart

So these rosters will need to be looked over before put into use.

Edit: Georgia also has a LT with a 0 rating at the #5 WR spot. Has a blank for speed and acceleration. They also have a QB at the CB position

There are quite a few teams messed upI did hear that the depth charts can be screwed up. I'll take a look at Georgia and see if what you saw is consistent with my download. The OVR ratings may be different than what I posted simply because I wrote it manually; typos are always possible :D

[JeffHCross]

Two questions, are we moving players from the old dynasty and how does the draft work.We will not be moving players over. It seemed to me that more people wanted to start from scratch. The draft is pretty easy ... we have a list (formed randomly) and people pick teams.

[skipwondah33]

It appears a lot of them are. I'm seeing team ratings of 60 and 70's for teams you have as 80's.

Alot of guys are out of position. Especially at RB. WR playing RB and starting...QB's at FB

[JeffHCross]

So yeah #51 is the MLB and he's #1 on the depth chart at RB at a 55 rating. Nevermind again he's an MLB. Chubb is #2 on depth chart

So these rosters will need to be looked over before put into use.

Edit: Georgia also has a LT with a 0 rating at the #5 WR spot. Has a blank for speed and acceleration. They also have a QB at the CB position

There are quite a few teams messed up

It appears a lot of them are. I'm seeing team ratings of 60 and 70's for teams you have as 80's.

Alot of guys are out of position. Especially at RB. WR playing RB and starting...QB's at FBIt sounds like Skip and I got wires crossed on which roster I was talking about, so just to be clear, please download the roster from roster share PSN: JoshC1977 . The offline download appears to be different (and screwed up).

[skipwondah33]

Played 2nd game with sliders from OS. They aren't bad but I didn't edit the coach philosophy and only played comparable teams.

The other set was relatively easy

[JeffHCross]

If you use the rosters we're going to use, skip, they should already be set.

Also, FYI everyone, I've made the rosters available through my roster share as well.

[TheAgency]

I'm confused about coaching levels. With things set as they are, you start with 30 levels of XP's to distribute amongst the coaching tree?

[skipwondah33]

Well damn lol

I'll play against a superior team later

[JeffHCross]

I'm confused about coaching levels. With things set as they are, you start with 30 levels of XP's to distribute amongst the coaching tree?We're going to be using the existing coach levels (though I could manually change them if we decided to make everyone even), so if you pick a team with a coach at level 30, you start with 30 skill points to distribute. If you pick a team with only 14, you get only 14.

Again, if people decide over the next week that we should start evenly, we can do that as well.

[TheAgency]

We should definitely start even. I thought it was kind of rolled into the starting from scratch concept.

[skipwondah33]

I'm fine with starting even.

[JeffHCross]

You guys can figure that out amongst yourselves while I'm on vacation :D

[skipwondah33]

I'm on vacation all this week...but just staying home

[JBHuskers]

I was gone all last week, but yeah I would lean on not bringing any players over, just start fresh. If we get a good set of new rosters for the upcoming season, that would be sweet too.

[JeffHCross]

I was gone all last week, but yeah I would lean on not bringing any players over, just start fresh. If we get a good set of new rosters for the upcoming season, that would be sweet too.We're not bringing any players over, and we're going to give a 2015-16 roster set a try.

[JeffHCross]

We're going to be using the existing coach levels (though I could manually change them if we decided to make everyone even), so if you pick a team with a coach at level 30, you start with 30 skill points to distribute. If you pick a team with only 14, you get only 14.

Again, if people decide over the next week that we should start evenly, we can do that as well.


We should definitely start even. I thought it was kind of rolled into the starting from scratch concept.


I'm fine with starting even.


You guys can figure that out amongst yourselves while I'm on vacation :DSooooooooo........... nobody else cares to talk about what level we start at?

[gschwendt]

My thought is everyone should be even... otherwise it's a case of the rich get richer.

[skipwondah33]

That will likely happen anyway with lighting up scoreboard and XP.

We started the same in DPD but some were behind drastically I believe. I know I'm behind all but a few guys I'm pretty sure.

I didn't start moving up in levels until I started smoking cpu

[TheAgency]

My thought is everyone should be even... otherwise it's a case of the rich get richer.

I agree. Even tho the teams aren't equal that's even more of a reason to have coaches start on an even playing field.

[marcotte14]

My thought is everyone should be even... otherwise it's a case of the rich get richer.

I also agree. IMO we should all start at the same level and as low as possible. Maybe even making the progression slower in order to increase the length of the dynasty.

[psusnoop]

I think we should all start even, just to keep it fair to start with.

[JeffHCross]

Alright, even the guys that stand to benefit most from the levels as they were have said even, so we'll go with that. Coaching levels will be even.

The average coach level for the 8 3-star teams chosen was 21. The lowest three were 10, 14 and 15. The lowest 4-star coach is level 17, so I don't think any lower than 10 would be advisable.

[pearice]

10-15 IMO

[skipwondah33]

I thought it was going to be start from 1...

[pearice]

I like that too

[JeffHCross]

I thought it was going to be start from 1...Starting from 1 puts us incredibly far behind the CPU coaches. Ask Agency how much fun it is to play against Level 31 coaches as Level 1......

[psusnoop]

Maybe 10-15 works for me too. Starting at 1 would starting way to far back in my opinion.

[marcotte14]

The problem with Agency is that he wasn't gaining XP. We will all catch up to CPU coaches eventually as long as we're gaining XP. I'm up for whatever, but I would vote for starting as low as possible.

[TheAgency]

Starting from 1 puts us incredibly far behind the CPU coaches. Ask Agency how much fun it is to play against Level 31 coaches as Level 1......

I'm for starting at 1. But I won't cry if we start somewhere above it. It sucked not gaining points for the work I was doing each week.

[skipwondah33]

I thought thats why everyone wanted to be even in the first place.

Not worried about catching up the cpu...we will do that easily anyway.

If not starting at 1 then we may as well start at the levels our coaches are at for teams we drafted

[JeffHCross]

:smh:

[skipwondah33]

Just saying thought that was the purpose so wouldn't be unfair to one another...not the cpu lol

[Escobar]

11

[Papa LoneStar]

What's the lowest for 3 star program's coach? I vote for that....

[JeffHCross]

What's the lowest for 3 star program's coach? I vote for that....10. Kansas.

[JeffHCross]

Just saying thought that was the purpose so wouldn't be unfair to one another...not the cpu lolRight, but we also don't want to add any more to our frustration than we have to. Starting even is how you make it "fair". Starting at 1 versus 10 is just a question of difficulty and frustration. No matter what, I think it would be stupid for us to start any lower than 3, because at 1 or 2 we don't even have the ability to scout fully in 1 week.

[skipwondah33]

The way the CPU recruits though maybe we should be at a disadvantage. Their recruiting strategy seems to be rather odd.

I'll go with the majority either way...if we do start off with points, atleast I know how to use them this time lol

[marcotte14]

Right, but we also don't want to add any more to our frustration than we have to. Starting even is how you make it "fair". Starting at 1 versus 10 is just a question of difficulty and frustration. No matter what, I think it would be stupid for us to start any lower than 3, because at 1 or 2 we don't even have the ability to scout fully in 1 week.

So let's start at 3, so we can scout right away.

[JeffHCross]

We basically have the same number of people saying start at 10+ as saying start at 3 ... figure it out, boys.

[JeffHCross]

Just to add more numbers to the discussion, the absolute lowest level on these rosters for any HC is 8.

[marcotte14]

I vote 3!

[skipwondah33]

1 or 8 for me...simply because I ride with 8 on the roulette wheel faithfully.

[JBHuskers]

10 or 11

[psusnoop]

I like Skip's reasoning, I'll go 8 as well.

[Papa LoneStar]

The ones wanting 3....put them at 6....the ones wanting 10....put them at 7....lol

[skipwondah33]

Really whatever gets us kicked off is all that matters to me lol.

In seriousness though, you guys know more about this game and the process/points with coaches more than I do so my vote or opinion can be taken with that in mind. Anxious to work with this team and new schemes

[pearice]

2

[JBHuskers]

I like Skip's reasoning, I'll go 8 as well.
I'll second it for the sake of agreement and compromise lol

[psusnoop]

I'll second it for the sake of agreement and compromise lol

Damn right! What I say is the word...of course I'm only copying what I read but forget that small tidbit and let me feel this great moment when you have agreed with me!

[JeffHCross]

Still have plenty of times for you guys to figure out what level we're starting on. Lol.

[gschwendt]

I'd recommend 8 or so. The reason being is when Jeff edits the coach levels of the roster coaches, it will randomly pick which attributes so if you start at 3, it's very unlikely everyone (anyone) will have fully unlocked scouting.

As well, you may consider allowing skills reset in the offseason... You can't change that option once the OD starts.

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[skipwondah33]

8 or so it is...good job guys!

[Papa LoneStar]

8 is good

[JeffHCross]

G, I was going to double check, but I think if I reset the Coach Skills before saving the roster than it will be a blank slate. But I agree with your suggestion of 8 anyway.

[JeffHCross]

Sorry for the delay guys, all this prep work is taking longer than I expected and I only have so much time before work. I'm getting closer, but it will probably still be another day or two before we're ready to start. So get your pre-season position changes in!

[JeffHCross]

Good news! I simmed to Year 2 and have now successfully loaded a game with every team in the dynasty. I'm hoping that means that we aren't likely to run into Ole Miss type issues, at least that aren't caused by some corruption that has nothing to do with the rosters and is because of something related to advance.

Going to make a little list of which steps I need to take to get ready for the OD:

Load/Start games with all teams
Test conference changes
Edit user team coaches
Pre-season position changes
Start OD!