Test OD

[psusnoop]

I was thinking of starting a test OD and inviting anyone here that wants to play to try out some sliders.

I would move all of our teams to independents and try and manually move the schedule so we'd play each other in the early weeks.

Any thoughts and suggestions would be very welcomed!

[ryby6969]

I am game.

[psusnoop]

I'm going to set one up tonight at the very least it will be you and I Roy. I'd like to play 2 games the first one can be Miami vs Okie State then we will use 2 other teams from our OD. Who would you like to use as your second team in the next matchup?

[Kingpin32]

Though I'm not in the official OD, I'll be willing to help in the test OD

[ryby6969]

I'm going to set one up tonight at the very least it will be you and I Roy. I'd like to play 2 games the first one can be Miami vs Okie State then we will use 2 other teams from our OD. Who would you like to use as your second team in the next matchup?

I will use GT to see how I can run the triple option.

[JBHuskers]

I'll jump in tonight.

[psusnoop]

psusnoop vs ryby week 1 Okie State vs Miami

Escobar vs JB Huskers Week 1 ??? vs Oklahoma

What team would you like Escobar?

[gschwendt]

I will likely be around tonight so go ahead and include me.

[psusnoop]

Week 1
psusnoop vs ryby
Escobar vs jbhuskers
gschwendt vs ?? ( We need another player here!)

Week 2
psusnoop vs gschwendt
ryby vs jbhuskers
escobar vs (We need another player here!)

I want to play 2 weeks tonight and I want the stats posted here, as complete as possible please.

Thanks everyone!!

[JBHuskers]

I'm around tonight except for 8-10 central.

[Oneback]

Go ahead and throw me in there, I'll take Nebraska - I can only play 8p - 10p. May be able to do 7:30 at the earliest.

[JBHuskers]

Snoop why don't I play you since we can easily get a hold of each other to play.

[psusnoop]

Thanks OB!!

OK JB that will work.

Who can play Oneback in Week 1 between 8pm and 10pm?

[ryby6969]

Thanks OB!!

OK JB that will work.

Who can play Oneback in Week 1 between 8pm and 10pm?
I am not sure if I will be able to play 2 weeks tonight unless we start fairly early. I have to be up at 3am for work so I would prefer to be in bed by 10pm.

[JBHuskers]

I am not sure if I will be able to play 2 weeks tonight unless we start fairly early. I have to be up at 3am for work so I would prefer to be in bed by 10pm.

Snoop, put me playing Ryby at week 1, and you on week 2.

Ryby, I'll be home and can start the game from 5-7 central.

[psusnoop]

Ok so here goes a rough draft:

Week1
Ryby (Miami) vs JB (Oklahoma)
Week 2
Ryby (Miami) vs Oneback (Nebraska)
JB (Oklahoma) vs snoop (Okie State)
G (Washington) vs kingpin (FSU)


The week 1 will be set up here by 5pm est so it can be played. JB has my log in information to advance the week once their game is finished. Then week 2 can be played up to I finish up against JB roughly 11-1130pm est.

G if you want another game at 1130 roughly I would play you in week 3 if your interested.


Anyone else that wants in please text me before 425pm.

[ryby6969]

Okay JB, sounds good. I am playing mommy tonight because my wife has a meeting for the kids football/cheerleading so I will let you know when.

[JBHuskers]

Okay JB, sounds good. I am playing mommy tonight because my wife has a meeting for the kids football/cheerleading so I will let you know when.

K, I'm in a golf tourney from 8-10 central, that's all I got going on.

[ryby6969]

K, I'm in a golf tourney from 8-10 central, that's all I got going on.

It will definitely be before that. Just have to make sure the kids eat and the 3 year old washes his ass and I should be able to play.

[psusnoop]

Invites sent but I can't change the schedules yet because the invites will need to be accepted.

Password is ph14

[JBHuskers]

It will definitely be before that. Just have to make sure the kids eat and the 3 year old washes his ass and I should be able to play.

Make sure to wash your ass too!

I'll be on playing something either NCAA, Tiger, or something else. Just message me.

[Oneback]

Invites sent but I can't change the schedules yet because the invites will need to be accepted.

Password is ph14

I'll accept as soon as I get home around 7p central.

[ryby6969]

This is not the roster we will use for the official OD is it?

[psusnoop]

Don't think so Roy

[Kingpin32]

G do you have my number? I can't remember if you had it or not.

[JBHuskers]

No sign of Ryby. Might have to give me a bye week in week one. I'll have to start my game in the next 30 mins.

[gschwendt]

G do you have my number? I can't remember if you had it or not.
I don't. PM it to me.

[Oneback]

These sliders aren't going to work, I was bored and uninterested the entire game...pass rush is ridiculous, on every obvious passing down his entire defensive line would come free, I had time for maybe one read. QB's are still too accurate, WR's come WIDE OPEN on way to many routes, the running game was difficult for both of us as ryby was 27 for 73 yards (2.7 ypc) and I allowed him to gain 40ish of that on one play when I ran my defense in the opposite direction so I would score. I ran the ball 24 times for 40 yards (1.6 ypc).

I know not all of this is the fault of the sliders, but I'm really starting to get more and more pessimistic about finding a set of sliders that will fix any of the glaring issues this game has.

I just couldn't get into the game, it wan't fun in the slightest for me, the problem however is I'm not really sure there are any answers.

[Escobar]

Me and Papa had a great game. There actually seemed to be some sort of pass coverage based on the numerous interceptions we both threw. You couldn't just force it to a receiver. We actually saw some fumbles, which I haven't really seen in other games.
Are these the same sliders you posted earlier or new ones, because we also saw some off target throws by the QB which I didn't really see with the set you posted earlier.

[JBHuskers]

Ryby and I played to a 20-7 game. I thought the pass rush wasn't terrible. I ran for almost 100 as well. Just didn't have many open WR's.

[Escobar]

These sliders aren't going to work, I was bored and uninterested the entire game.

Maybe we could try these ratings based sliders. The guy went through and tested every slider and adjusted them based on how players' ratings affected gameplay. People in the thread seem to be getting good and fun results from them.

Difficulty: Heisman

Quarter Length: 7-9 minutes.

Speed: Normal

Threshold: 50

Game Play Sliders: User/CPU

QB Accuracy: 5/5
Pass Blocking: 45/40
WR Catching: 30/40
RB Ability: 60/80
Run Blocking: 40/50
Pass Coverage: 50/55
Interception: 30/45
Rush Defense: 30/45
Tackling: 45/50

Special Teams

FG Power: 45/40
FG Accuracy: 5/35
Punt Power: 20/45
Punt Accuracy: 50/50
Kickoff Power: 50/45

All penalties at 50

[Escobar]

Ryby and I played to a 20-7 game. I thought the pass rush wasn't terrible. I ran for almost 100 as well. Just didn't have many open WR's.

Against Papa, I didn't really see alot of receivers roaming free either resulting in coverage sacks. I think that may be because Texas CB's are faster/better in coverage than Michigan's WR's.

[gschwendt]

Kingpin & I had a pretty good game. I had a really balanced attack and ended up with 456 total offense, 185 rushing and 271 passing. Kingpin & I each threw 2 interceptions. Most (if not all) of my wide open passes were setup with playaction passes and most of the sacks I recorded were from sending 6+, though not all.

Here's the stats (http://www.twitch.tv/m/50665) and here's the full game (http://www.twitch.tv/m/50667) (if you want to watch it).

[JBHuskers]

Snoop and I just played to a very competitive 20-17 game. Only complaints is bump up run block a hair, bump down WR ability. Bump down interceptions a hair.

[psusnoop]

Run blocking could go up 5, QB accuracy down 5 to 10, INT's could go down 5, wr catching down 5 as well to even out the completion percentages.

Check out all of the stats on the web and I will as well. Offer up some thoughts on what to change and what not too.

Also we could try the sliders that Escobar posted in a quick set up like this too or make some changes to these and try it again. Thoughts?

[JBHuskers]

I played two very competitive good games against users. Some slight tweaks is all it needs IMO.

[ryby6969]

Run blocking could go up 5, QB accuracy down 5 to 10, INT's could go down 5, wr catching down 5 as well to even out the completion percentages.

Check out all of the stats on the web and I will as well. Offer up some thoughts on what to change and what not too.

Also we could try the sliders that Escobar posted in a quick set up like this too or make some changes to these and try it again. Thoughts?

The main issue I had was the fact that on almost every play the ball carrier felt "sluggish" when they got the ball. I felt that had an effect on my running game, and was a big reason in my lack of a running game for the most part. I was quite surprised how well my defense played in both games as compared to the online games I had played prior versus OD members. My personal preference would be "too much" defense and pass rush compared to what we ended up with at times on NCAA 13. I went into games last year knowing I basically had to score each drive if I wanted a chance to win the game.

BTW, is it confirmed that sliders work in user vs user games this season as well?

[Escobar]

I loaded a test OD with the Ratings sliders posted (7 min quarters. 8 took too long and had too many total plays) above under my second account. You can view the thread here for other stats http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ncaa-football-sliders/641168-charter04s-ncaa-football-14-heisman-sliders.html#post2045209282

I also used the latest OS Community Roster file they posted last night since it is the most accurate/updated. I invited everyone. And whoever wants to join just post and accept the invite. Then I'll set the schedules. I would like to have the same matchups that we had tonight, that way we can have a close comparison.

It's called RTOS

[psusnoop]

I will join when I get home tonight.

[psusnoop]

The main issue I had was the fact that on almost every play the ball carrier felt "sluggish" when they got the ball. I felt that had an effect on my running game, and was a big reason in my lack of a running game for the most part. I was quite surprised how well my defense played in both games as compared to the online games I had played prior versus OD members. My personal preference would be "too much" defense and pass rush compared to what we ended up with at times on NCAA 13. I went into games last year knowing I basically had to score each drive if I wanted a chance to win the game.

BTW, is it confirmed that sliders work in user vs user games this season as well?

If Oneback would like I will make some tweaks to the set and restart another one but I'd also encourage everyone to try out the set of sliders Escobar has as well. We could try that one tonight and then see where we are.

[psusnoop]

As a whole here are some stats:

For all user games here are the stats:



COM

ATT

%

INT's

Sacked



152

228

67

21

25









ATT

Yards

AVG

FUM



271

891

3.08

2







There were 12 penalties for 140 yds.

This was for 5 games involving user vs user.

Scores -

Miami (ryby) 20 - 7 Oklahoma (JB)
Miami (ryby) 41 - 7 Nebraska (OB)
Washington (G) 31 - 21 FSU (Kingpin)
Michigan (Escobar) 29 - 20 Texas (papa)
Oklahoma State (psusnoop) 20 - 17 Oklahoma (JB)

[ryby6969]

I signed up Escobar, but I work at 3am tomorrow so I will not be able to play very late tonight. If someone can play this evening, then I am all for it.

[ryby6969]

The main stats that concern me are the rushing average and the int's. The fumble numbers are a know issue so that is a given.

Here are our starting QB's ratings:

Morris- 90THP 86THA
Gardner- 92THP 78THA
Martinez- 88THP 82THA
Winston- 91THP 85THA (freaking joke as he has never taken a snap)
Bell- 92THP 85THA
Chelf- 85THP 85THA
Ash- 87THP 83THA
Price- 86THP 83THA

That gives us a THP average of just under 89 at 88.875 and an average THA of 83.375 so I would say the int numbers are not far off.

[Oneback]

I'm not going to be able to play tonight, have a work get together to attend.

[Oneback]

As a whole here are some stats:

For all user games here are the stats:



COM

ATT

%

INT's

Sacked



152

228

67

21

25









ATT

Yards

AVG

FUM



271

891

3.08

2







There were 12 penalties for 140 yds.

This was for 5 games involving user vs user.

Scores -

Miami (ryby) 20 - 7 Oklahoma (JB)
Miami (ryby) 41 - 7 Nebraska (OB)
Washington (G) 31 - 21 FSU (Kingpin)
Michigan (Escobar) 29 - 20 Texas (papa)
Oklahoma State (psusnoop) 20 - 17 Oklahoma (JB)

How many Passing TD's were there? The INT number seems astronomical for 5 games, that's an average of 4 a game, meaning as a group we'd throw 151 INT's per season in user vs user games alone - 12 users * 3 game min * 4.2 (int avg from above) = 151.2

Passing accuracy is a tad high for the players we're playing with as well with an avg THA of 83.3 I'd say we need to shoot for a Comp% of 63-65%.

[Oneback]

Another thing we need to be aware of that I've noticed on Heisman is when running Inverted Veer and the DE keys the QB and a handoff to the HB is executed the DE is able to change course and tackle to the HB...this should not happen.

[psusnoop]

How many Passing TD's were there? The INT number seems astronomical for 5 games, that's an average of 4 a game, meaning as a group we'd throw 151 INT's per season in user vs user games alone - 12 users * 3 game min * 4.2 (int avg from above) = 151.2

Passing accuracy is a tad high for the players we're playing with as well with an avg THA of 83.3 I'd say we need to shoot for a Comp% of 63-65%.

The TD's totaled on 14 and I do want to drop the accuracy and the WR catching. Then the INT's need lowered by at least 5 maybe 10 as well. I don't want to lower them to the point that we don't get punished for making bad throws but I don't like where it's at currently either.

The run blocking and running back ability need bumped up to improve on those numbers as well.

[psusnoop]

Another thing we need to be aware of that I've noticed on Heisman is when running Inverted Veer and the DE keys the QB and a handoff to the HB is executed the DE is able to change course and tackle to the HB...this should not happen.


Is this only on Heisman?

[Oneback]

Is this only on Heisman?

As far as I've seen its only on Heisman, I've had some problems handing the ball off in Online Games but that may just be me being slow.

[psusnoop]

Here are the sliders that I'm trying out

8 Minute Quarter length

Heisman
Heisman
Heisman
On
On
On
Normal
20
On
On
60 offside
61 false start
59 holding
58 facemask
100 offensive pass interference
100 defensive pass interference
100 kr/pr interference
58 clipping
100 intentional grounding
53 roughing the passer
100 roughing the kicker
10 QB accuracy
20 pass blocking
25 WR catching
45 RB ability
50 run blocking
80 pass coverage
10 interceptions
55 rush defense
60 tackling
40 fg power
30 fg accuracy
40 punt power
30 punt accuracy
45 kickoff power
15 QB accuracy
25 pass blocking
30 wr catching
55 RB ability
55 run blocking
80 pass coverage
15 interceptions
65 rush defense
60 tackling
40 fg power
40 fg accuracy
40 punt power
40 punt accuracy
50 kickoff power

Blue = I lowered these

Red = I raised these


Minor tweaks made I will make them and restart the OD as well.

Escobar I will be joining yours this evening at some point and I wouldn't mind a week 1 matchup against another user.

I will restart another test OD as well and send out invites. This time I want Week 1 user games and then Week 2 CPU games which I will try for a decent matchup to compare those stats too.

I will be using Escobar's roster he posted (I think he did).

[psusnoop]

As far as I've seen its only on Heisman, I've had some problems handing the ball off in Online Games but that may just be me being slow.

Let try Escobars and then one more shot with mine, if we can't get something that works between the two then lets start with All American and work towards a competitive slider set for that. I really think we can make Heisman work just gotta find that balance.

[Escobar]

I will be using Escobar's roster he posted (I think he did).

PSN: Pudgee691

[psusnoop]

PSN: Pudgee691

Thanks

[Papa LoneStar]

Not gonna be able to play tonight....date with the wife. I still joined to practice recruiting.

[psusnoop]

I invited everyone, those that want to play a game in week 1 just join and I will set you up against another user. I'd like to have the games in by tomorrow evening at the latest so we can look at some numbers.

Thanks.

[gschwendt]

I'm going to have to pass on testing this weekend... I may be around but it will be sporadic.

[Escobar]

Put it back on 8 Min. After testing one game in the test OD, and some in an offline dynasty I started with Syracuse. 7 min isn't really giving enough plays.