General Next Gen Console Thread

[I OU a Beatn]

For the stuff that relates to both. Looks like the case design has been revealed for both.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2013/05/xboxonebox-1369216258.jpg

EDIT: Don't know if these are official or just placeholders, but IGN seems to think they're real.

[gschwendt]

With the art of the X1 being more zoomed out, I wonder if they're sticking with DVD size cases rather than Blu-ray cases but for this image they just sized the cover art to be the same

[bdoughty]

Those crazy kids at Neogaf have taken that fake PS4 ad, which they created (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=565537) and run with it.


http://i1.minus.com/iTeLpeC1uxjdU.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/S8PwQV4.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/QQo5Xmj.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img703/8475/neogaflolxbox.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/5eRjW8R.jpghttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p480x480/947170_10151528671828369_2033477518_n.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dfpzkvN.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/PWq8j3H.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/MPG7b7i.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/VFrSRW1.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/wDtue2u.jpghttp://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/JamieOD/ps3gamerslikeusagain_zpsebce5908.png

[CLW]

http://oi42.tinypic.com/66jg8x.jpg

PS4 - better conference (77% of vote)

PS4 - better controller (54% of vote)

PS4 - better name (78% of vote)

PS4 - better overall (75% of vote)


http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/31/xbox-one-vs-ps4-the-results-ign-versus

[baseballplyrmvp]

any "real" American would buy a console from an America based company. :P :D

[GatorfanStovy]

Wtf kind of voting is that from IGN. IGN is anti xbox aren't they ? Stupid IGN. I will own both systems some day so it don't matter.

[JBHuskers]

Michael Pachter is an idiot, but he has come out and said that XBOX One will cost $399, and PS4 will cost $349. Again, it's Pachter so take it for what it is worth.

[CLW]

Michael Pachter is an idiot, but he has come out and said that XBOX One will cost $399, and PS4 will cost $349. Again, it's Pachter so take it for what it is worth.

I cannot imagine them being differently priced (unless MS or Sony goes "subsidized" requiring gold/plus for X years).

[JBHuskers]

He said it was based on estimated cost of each. XBOX One costing more to make.

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[I OU a Beatn]

I cannot imagine them being differently priced (unless MS or Sony goes "subsidized" requiring gold/plus for X years).

I don't have a problem believing that. Microsoft has similar specs (the only difference being the weaker GPU and RAM) and they're packaging in a $100+ camera while Sony is not. There is no doubt in my mind that Microsoft's system will be more expensive.

[CLW]

I don't have a problem believing that. Microsoft has similar specs (the only difference being the weaker GPU and RAM) and they're packaging in a $100+ camera while Sony is not. There is no doubt in my mind that Microsoft's system will be more expensive.

Well IF Sony goes all used game on us One might be in BIG trouble.

[I OU a Beatn]

Nah, they did exactly what I said they would do. Exclusive timed Call of Duty DLC, improvements to Live, and they're going to be coming out with Halo and supposedly a couple more exclusive shooters. If they're even close in price, I'd put money on them winning North America again. I'll get one when they inevitably get rid of the stupid listening Kinect.

[JBHuskers]

Nah, they did exactly what I said they would do. Exclusive timed Call of Duty DLC, improvements to Live, and they're going to be coming out with Halo and supposedly a couple more exclusive shooters. If they're even close in price, I'd put money on them winning North America again. I'll get one when they inevitably get rid of the stupid listening Kinect.

It took a while, but overally worldwide, Sony officially overtook 360 in sales. So I dunno about MS winning in NA being a shoe in.

[I OU a Beatn]

Sony only recently overtook Microsoft globally, and they're still getting dominated in North America week in and week out. I just don't see Sony winning North America. Microsoft is focused on shooters and competitive online games, while Sony has a mix of everything. Americans really seem to love their shooters, so as long as that's Microsoft focus (and as long as they keep the DLC timed exclusive for Call of Duty), they'll win America.

Personally, I'd say it's going to be exactly the same this generation. Sony wins overseas. Microsoft wins in America.

[CLW]

Americans really seem to love their shooters...

Indeed:


A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

:nod:

[JBHuskers]

I just know in the impending apocalypse, I won't be a sniper, gimme an assult rifle :nod:

[SmoothPancakes]

I just know in the impending apocalypse, I won't be a sniper, gimme an assult rifle :nod:

With the increasing amount of fucktards in this country, I hope it's sooner rather than later. Earth has never been more deserving on an asteroid just wiping it the fuck out than this day and age.

[CLW]

I just know in the impending apocalypse, I won't be a sniper, gimme an assult rifle :nod:

Can't have it Obama gonna take all the ARs away. :nod:

[Rudy]

Michael Pachter is an idiot, but he has come out and said that XBOX One will cost $399, and PS4 will cost $349. Again, it's Pachter so take it for what it is worth.

I find it hard to believe the PS4 would only be $349. I think it's a near miracle if they start at $399.

[CLW]

I find it hard to believe the PS4 would only be $349. I think it's a near miracle if they start at $399.

We need a separate Price Is Right Thread for PS4/One Prices. TGT will supply prizes. If you get the price exactly right free copy of the PS4/One! :nod:

[Rudy]

We need a separate Price Is Right Thread for PS4/One Prices. TGT will supply prizes. If you get the price exactly right free copy of the PS4/One! :nod:

+1000

[I OU a Beatn]

Well if CLW is supplying the free PS4 or Xbox One, I'm in!

[steelerfan]

Well if CLW is supplying the free PS4 or Xbox One, I'm in!

:up:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[JBHuskers]

We need a separate Price Is Right Thread for PS4/One Prices. TGT will supply prizes. If you get the price exactly right free copy of the PS4/One! :nod:

More like the TGT Lawyer and his salary will fund the prizes :nod:

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[CLW]

More like the TGT Lawyer and his salary will fund the prizes :nod:

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You guys keep forgetting I was forced to become a Democrat from December until April. :nod:

Got a new job but its much more low key and the salary reflects that. Dr. CLW will undoubtedly be the primary breadwinner from now until death do us part. Hell she nearly beat me last year when I was a really nice salary. I don't think Dr. CLW will approve of me supplying 2 console prizes. She's already fake scoffing at me wanting a PS4 @ launch.

[JBHuskers]

You guys keep forgetting I was forced to become a Democrat from December until April. :nod:

Got a new job but its much more low key and the salary reflects that. Dr. CLW will undoubtedly be the primary breadwinner from now until death do us part. Hell she nearly beat me last year when I was a really nice salary. I don't think Dr. CLW will approve of me supplying 2 console prizes. She's already fake scoffing at me wanting a PS4 @ launch.

Tell her to get back in the kitchen and shut up.

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[I OU a Beatn]

:D

[steelerfan]

Tell her to get back in the kitchen and shut up.

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No shit!

A woman doctor??? LMFAO! What complete bullshit. How stupid does he think we are?

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Rudy]

I just saw a stat the other day that showed last year 40% of the women in the household made more than the men! I was surprised. It's come up quickly.

[JBHuskers]

CVG poll: PS4 four times more popular than Xbox One (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/414854/cvg-poll-ps4-four-times-more-popular-than-xbox-one/)

A next gen console poll, taken by more than 5,000 CVG readers, suggests that Sony's PS4 is nearly five times more popular than Microsoft's Xbox One.

On Thursday CVG asked readers to declare whether they were intending to buy either Sony or Microsoft's next-generation game consoles. By Monday morning, more than 5,000 responded, with a clear majority (71%) declaring their interest in PS4.

By contrast, just 15 per cent of respondents said they were intending to buy an Xbox One. Six per cent said they intended to buy both machines, meaning that the combined PS4 price and Xbox One price will set customers back $900 or £780 at launch.

Meanwhile, nine per cent of respondents said they had no intention of buying either system (the majority claiming they would stick with their PCs, with some sticking with their Wii Us).

Microsoft has a tough launch period ahead of it as customers continually speak out against the machine's anti-pre-owned measures and always-online requirements. The survey data suggests that the issue could be affecting Microsoft in territories where it is strongest.

Despite the neck-and-neck global lifetime sales of the PS3 and Xbox 360 (both edging towards 80m units), the geo-breakdown of those numbers shows that Xbox's main business is in the US (40m) and UK (8m); two areas where it has been consistently dominant.

While PlayStation is hardly an insignificance in those two countries (about 25m sales in the US and 5m in the UK), it balances those numbers with a healthy business across Japan and other parts of Europe.

Sony has said the PS4 release date is set for "Christmas 2013" across Europe and the US. CVG understands the Japan launch could be pushed to 2014 if manufacturing count comes up short, though a final decision hasn't been made yet.

Microsoft has said the Xbox One release date is due for November.

[I OU a Beatn]

By the way, finally coaxed one of the GS managers in my area to give up how many systems they're allotted for orders. According to him, they were allotted 25 PS4s for order and 8 Xbox One systems. He also mentioned that most GS stores around the country will have a similar 3:1 ratio in terms of available consoles. Kind of lends credit to that rumor that Microsoft was way behind in the in the development and manufacturing of their console.

[JBHuskers]

By the way, finally coaxed one of the GS managers in my area to give up how many systems they're allotted for orders. According to him, they were allotted 25 PS4s for order and 8 Xbox One systems. He also mentioned that most GS stores around the country will have a similar 3:1 ratio in terms of available consoles. Kind of lends credit to that rumor that Microsoft was way behind in the in the development and manufacturing of their console.

Makes sense on the launch day preorder window being longer on the PS4 as they probably are in the same boat, just on a much longer scale.

[Kingpin32]

By the way, finally coaxed one of the GS managers in my area to give up how many systems they're allotted for orders. According to him, they were allotted 25 PS4s for order and 8 Xbox One systems. He also mentioned that most GS stores around the country will have a similar 3:1 ratio in terms of available consoles. Kind of lends credit to that rumor that Microsoft was way behind in the in the development and manufacturing of their console.

Sony is trying to push large numbers out the gate. Seeing as I'll be talking to gamestop every week I wonder if I can coerce some info out of them as time goes along.

[I OU a Beatn]

Makes sense on the launch day preorder window being longer on the PS4 as they probably are in the same boat, just on a much longer scale.

Yeah, he told me this is going to be a nationwide thing with them, so it has to be the same everywhere else. The interesting thing is that Amazon is completely sold out of the launch day PS4s (and has been since the first 24 hours of the thing being announced) which apparently has a much larger stock available while the launch day Xbox is still available with a reportedly much smaller available units.

I wonder just how telling this will be on the first week/month of sales for the two.

[I OU a Beatn]

Sony is trying to push large numbers out the gate. Seeing as I'll be talking to gamestop every week I wonder if I can coerce some info out of them as time goes along.

According to all the sources I've read, Sony had a 2 or 3 year head start on Microsoft in developing and planning for this upcoming generation. I've also read numerous sources that Microsoft is having overheating problems and have had to under clock the system which would be another reason why they would be not confident they can supply as many consoles as launch.

All of those are from supposed inside sources and could be wrong, but having a 3:1 ratio certainly makes you think something is up.

[JBHuskers]

I just wish a release date would be announced so I can take off two days :D

[Kingpin32]

I just wish a release date would be announced so I can take off two days :D

I really think it's gonna be released the first week of November. Hopefully the week of the 10th, cause I've calculated that I'll be done paying for the PS4 and BF4 and Watch Dogs on that week.

[morsdraconis]

I GUARANTEE that it'll be released before Black Friday. No console have EVER been released in NA after the last week before Black Friday (November 19th or so). Black Friday is the biggest sales day on the planet. Both consoles will be out before that if they are going to come out in 2013.

[Kingpin32]

I GUARANTEE that it'll be released before Black Friday. No console have EVER been released in NA after the last week before Black Friday (November 19th or so). Black Friday is the biggest sales day on the planet. Both consoles will be out before that if they are going to come out in 2013.

I agree. I thought Xbox had a more definitive date than PS4 but they'll definitely be out for the holiday shopping season. The PS2 was released late October and the PS3 was released early November. So I think that that'll be the range of dates.

[JBHuskers]

According to all the sources I've read, Sony had a 2 or 3 year head start on Microsoft in developing and planning for this upcoming generation. I've also read numerous sources that Microsoft is having overheating problems and have had to under clock the system which would be another reason why they would be not confident they can supply as many consoles as launch.

All of those are from supposed inside sources and could be wrong, but having a 3:1 ratio certainly makes you think something is up.

After the RROD issue, that would make me VERY leery to get a launch day console. That's just screams same mistake all over again.

[I OU a Beatn]

After the RROD issue, that would make me VERY leery to get a launch day console. That's just screams same mistake all over again.

I doubt it would come to that as they've rumored to under clock it to make the yields more suitable. Here's an article on it, although I originally read about it somewhere else:


Microsoft may be facing issues due to starting development on the Xbox One late. They had earlier revealed that they had began work on it sometime in 2010 while Sony began PS4 work back in 2008.

Due to the delay, the company may be facing yield issues and has underclocked the Xbox One GPU.

The APU in the system is said to be big and has required a lot more AMD engineers. The original figure for GPU was given at 1.2 teraflops which may be reduced to 900 gigaflops which is 50% less than what the PS4 GPU is capable of.

Of course, things may change since there’s still a lot of time to go before the console comes out, but in order to prevent heat issues and another RROD fiasco, Microsoft may slow down the system purposely.

This has confirmed to be true by many sources but Microsoft can do something about it since there’s time. However, things aren’t looking too good for the Xbox One when it comes to facing the PS4 head-to-head in multiplatform port quality.

EDIT: Here's the original thread where multiple insiders leaked it (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869)

[CLW]

By the way, finally coaxed one of the GS managers in my area to give up how many systems they're allotted for orders. According to him, they were allotted 25 PS4s for order and 8 Xbox One systems. He also mentioned that most GS stores around the country will have a similar 3:1 ratio in terms of available consoles. Kind of lends credit to that rumor that Microsoft was way behind in the in the development and manufacturing of their console.

Yeah my mom asked too and the girl at the counter said the ratio was like 2:1 in sales and available units. They must be behind in manufacturing compared to Sony. This gen is shaping up to be almost the exact opposite as the last. MS making mistakes on price behind on development + DRM etc...

[JBHuskers]

Well regardless...I think I'll get an extended warranty direct from the PSN store. I'd do the same for XB1 in a heartbeat too.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEdwSqgHkIY

[JBHuskers]

VGChartz just released approximate preorder numbers

PS4 - 75k
XB1 - 45k

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251076/ps4-vs-xbox-one-pre-order-totals-to-june-15th-2013/

[GatorfanStovy]

Way to go Sony! Kill it this gen I bet you. It really sucks I can't or won't be able to afford both systems this holiday's so hard to just choose one ha.

[I OU a Beatn]

Last I heard PS4 had 50% more. Don't take anything VG Chartz puts up as real data, they've been caught numerous times making up numbers. Not saying they're wrong on this, but take it with a grain a salt.

The two GS around me that I visit told me last week that right now it's about 2:1 in favor of the PS4, though. Given the higher price tag, I'm surprised it's even that close really.

[CLW]

PlayStation 4 - Top 10 Pre-orders

1. Battlefield 4 (http://gamewise.co/games/46159/Battlefield-4)
2. Watch Dogs (http://gamewise.co/games/45811/Watch-Dogs)
3. Killzone: Shadow Fall (http://gamewise.co/games/46222/Killzone-Shadow-Fall)
4. Madden NFL 25 (http://gamewise.co/games/46415/Madden-NFL-25)
5. Call of Duty: Ghosts (http://gamewise.co/games/46158/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts)
6. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (http://gamewise.co/games/46266/Assassins-Creed-IV-Black-Flag)
7. Need for Speed Rivals (http://gamewise.co/games/46524/Need-for-Speed-Rivals)
8. FIFA Soccer 14 (http://gamewise.co/games/46416/FIFA-Soccer-14)
9. Knack (http://gamewise.co/games/46231/Knack)
10. Driveclub (http://gamewise.co/games/46225/DriveClub)


Xbox One - Top 10 Pre-orders
1. Battlefield 4 (http://gamewise.co/games/46159/Battlefield-4)
2. Dead Rising 3 (http://gamewise.co/games/47586/Dead-Rising-3)
3. Ryse: Son of Rome (http://gamewise.co/games/33518/Ryse-Son-of-Rome)
4. Madden NFL 25 (http://gamewise.co/games/46415/Madden-NFL-25)
5. Call of Duty: Ghosts (http://gamewise.co/games/46158/Call-of-Duty-Ghosts)
6. Watch Dogs (http://gamewise.co/games/45811/Watch-Dogs)
7. Forza Motorsport 5 (http://gamewise.co/games/46517/Forza-Motorsport-5)
8. Kinect Sports Rivals (http://gamewise.co/games/47592/Kinect-Sports-Rivals)
9. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (http://gamewise.co/games/46266/Assassins-Creed-IV-Black-Flag)
10. Need for Speed Rivals (http://gamewise.co/games/46524/Need-for-Speed-Rivals)


Yeah not sure how VG Chartz gets its numbers but I think its just another indication that Sony is ahead right now in the console war. Obviously MS felt that/knew that too and felt the need to remove the DRM in an attempt to catch up. Time will tell if it was the right move or if it just made them look weak.

I'm also surprised COD isn't #1 in pre-orders given 14 y/o love of that series for some reason. Also surprised Titan Fall (what looked to be XB1's best game) isn't even in the Top 10.

[JBHuskers]

I think CoD is just not trying to innovate much any more, so they're not going to full take advantage of the new hardware like Battlefield 4 seems to be.

[SCClassof93]

I know I am done with COD. BO2 was the same ole same ole, going to try BF4 on ps4:nod:

[Kingpin32]

i think cod is just not trying to innovate much any more, so they're not going to full take advantage of the new hardware like battlefield 4 seems to be.

what about the dog?!?! Did you not see the dog and all his furry glory??!

[AustinWolv]

I love dogs, but not COD.

[JBHuskers]

I know I am done with COD. BO2 was the same ole same ole, going to try BF4 on ps4:nod:

Sweet, you can join Snoop and I in shooting Commie bastards.

[morsdraconis]

Yeah. Same here SC. If I buy any of the new FPSs coming, it'll be BF4 on the PS4.

[SmoothPancakes]

what about the dog?!?! Did you not see the dog and all his furry glory??!

$10 says the dog dies before the end of the campaign story. Just the existence of the dog all but cements its place on the list of deaths in the game.

[Kingpin32]

$10 says the dog dies before the end of the campaign story. Just the existence of the dog all but cements its place on the list of deaths in the game.
Yeah, I'm sure they'll kill poor Reilly off. Buuut I'll be playing BF4 so I'll just watch it on Youtube lol.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yeah not sure how VG Chartz gets its numbers but I think its just another indication that Sony is ahead right now in the console war. Obviously MS felt that/knew that too and felt the need to remove the DRM in an attempt to catch up. Time will tell if it was the right move or if it just made them look weak.

I'm also surprised COD isn't #1 in pre-orders given 14 y/o love of that series for some reason. Also surprised Titan Fall (what looked to be XB1's best game) isn't even in the Top 10.[/FONT]

Honestly, they pull most of them out of their ass. They've been caught making up numbers numerous times. If Microsoft wanted to catch up, they would've dropped the price, not their 24 hour check. The average customer (the vast majority of their potential consumers) wouldn't even know about all this online and used games stuff.

You just answered your own question as to why Call of Duty isn't up there. Call of Duty appeals to kids, plain and simple. Kids can't afford to throw down $400+ on a console, so they'll be playing on 360.


I think CoD is just not trying to innovate much any more, so they're not going to full take advantage of the new hardware like Battlefield 4 seems to be.

That's the understatement of the decade. They haven't innovated since Call of Duty 4, which is admittedly one of the greatest shooters of all time. However, when you released 5 or 6 garbage sequels in a row all with the same problems, the original gem tends to get overshadowed.

[CLW]

Sweet, you can join Snoop and I in shooting Commie bastards.

Wait you get to shoot liberals in the game? Damn motion sickness! :nod:

[JBHuskers]

That's the understatement of the decade. They haven't innovated since Call of Duty 4, which is admittedly one of the greatest shooters of all time. However, when you released 5 or 6 garbage sequels in a row all with the same problems, the original gem tends to get overshadowed.

They've added some cool stuff, Kill Confirmed, weapon prestige, but yeah nothing overly innovative.

[I OU a Beatn]

They've added some cool stuff, Kill Confirmed, weapon prestige, but yeah nothing overly innovative.

Yeah, but those are minor things. Hit detection is still horrible, spawns are the worst in any shooter, map design is amateur, too much of a focus on kill streaks, over powered kill streaks, unbalanced weapons, etc...

I could literally go on for days. The campaigns are fun for what they are, but the online just isn't there for me. I like the customization, but the game play needs to be better.

[CLW]

Amazon is banking that cash money....

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/21/xbox-one-playstation-4-shatter-amazon-pre-order-records

[bdoughty]

I think CoD is just not trying to innovate much any more, so they're not going to full take advantage of the new hardware like Battlefield 4 seems to be.

But the fish move when you get near them? Behold the power of AI that was found in Mario 64.

[bdoughty]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/21/xbox-one-playstation-4-shatter-amazon-pre-order-records

Xbox One and PlayStation 4 contributed to Amazon's biggest pre-order week ever, with as many as 2,500 next-gen console purchases per minute funneling through the online retailer.

Mors? Probably too busy whining about Lebron to reply. #keepthatdayjob

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlKsg8rJc1k

[CLW]

Some interesting articles on this whole DRM thing and how having it wouldn't necessarily benefit the companies UNLESS they dropped the price of new games (something MS wasn't willing to do).

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/nyu-used-games-study/

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/06/xbox-one-used-games-drm/

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/06/not-used-games-again/

[CLW]

Not that anyone here probably bought the "spin" but the 180 hasn't paid off yet as PS4 still tops XB1 in sales at least from Amazon for the year thus far.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2013/videogames

[gschwendt]

Wow... PS4 controller looks huge

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNnSUaKCQAE40Ut.jpg:large

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah, definitely not a fan of the PS4 controller. The old dual shocks from the PS2 days were great, but can't say I'd be happy with the PS4 controllers. I've become a bit to accustomed, and feel comfortable with the 360 controller. Thankfully MS kept things similar with the Xbox One controller.

[JBHuskers]

What is this? The controller version of the Human Centipede :D

[SmoothPancakes]

What is this? The controller version of the Human Centipede :D

:D :D :D

[CLW]

Damn I always liked the smaller controller of PS and I just NEVER could get used to comfortable with MS' controller despite the rave reviews of it. Oh well I guess I will learn.

[JBHuskers]

Honestly it doesn't bother me at all in the Gen3 between the two controllers, so it won't bother me in Gen4 either.

[morsdraconis]

:D :D :D

Everyone complains about the PS3 controllers being too small and liking the size of the 360 controllers better. Sony makes them bigger for the PS4 and now everyone is complaining about it being too big.

:fp:

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm not complaining at all. It looks much improved. The DS3 was truly just a God awful controller in virtually every aspect except the d-pad and the face buttons.

[JBHuskers]

:D :D :D

Everyone complains about the PS3 controllers being too small and liking the size of the 360 controllers better. Sony makes them bigger for the PS4 and now everyone is complaining about it being too big.

:fp:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2553393/denny-d-head-nod-o.gif

[skipwondah33]

:D :D :D

Everyone complains about the PS3 controllers being too small and liking the size of the 360 controllers better. Sony makes them bigger for the PS4 and now everyone is complaining about it being too big.

:fp:lol

The PS3 controllers were small IMO but I'm sure I won't have a problem with the PS4 controller. My hands are fairly big so I'd prefer it actually.

[SCClassof93]

lol

The PS3 controllers were small IMO but I'm sure I won't have a problem with the PS4 controller. My hands are fairly big so I'd prefer it actually.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1DbMyDk72i3Y-BeFNdSsRqOeKAA7utl1rb4gr-SHWHVSNw_5m

[morsdraconis]

:D :D :D

[skipwondah33]

Haha :D

[JBHuskers]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ1DbMyDk72i3Y-BeFNdSsRqOeKAA7utl1rb4gr-SHWHVSNw_5m

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r98/kandyflip445/burger-king-tiny-hands.jpg

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8uarlSpmIg

Sony wins E3 with 59.9% of vote

Nintendo Runner-up with 25.4% of vote

MS DEAD LAST with 14.7% of vote

[I OU a Beatn]

From IGN:


While Astro and Microsoft have yet to formally announce a partnership, Astro Gaming marketing chief, Aron Drayer, is confident that the company will be able to bring solutions to market in the "near future." As part of Microsoft's new proprietary format, Drayer says that cross-platform compatibility, like that found in the A40 headset, will likely be impossible. Despite the limitations Microsoft has placed on peripherals, Astro is looking forward to working on the platform:

"We love what they are doing," Drayer said. "It's super progressive, and we're really excited to potentially partner with them."

As for the PlayStation 4, Astro is anticipating many of the same standards found on the PlayStation 3, including USB and Bluetooth support, as well as the new chat port on the DualShock 4.

Basically, if you have an Astro and are getting a One, you're screwed when it comes to chatting. If you're getting a PS4, the included cable should work and you wont have to buy anything else. Audio will obviously still work on both since they both have optical audio ports.

[CLW]

From IGN:



Basically, if you have an Astro and are getting a One, you're screwed when it comes to chatting. If you're getting a PS4, the included cable should work and you wont have to buy anything else. Audio will obviously still work on both since they both have optical audio ports.

With the A40s will I need to plug something into the controller for the PS4 or do you think it was exactly the same setup? I still have all of the wires many of them I have never used so they are still in the box.

[CLW]

Better/full article on Astro:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/26/we-asked-astro-about-next-gen-gaming-headsets-and-the-xbox-one.aspx

[I OU a Beatn]

With the A40s will I need to plug something into the controller for the PS4 or do you think it was exactly the same setup? I still have all of the wires many of them I have never used so they are still in the box.

I'd imagine you would need a cable running from the mixamp to the DS4.

[CLW]

CNET's Readers' favorite gadgets in June 2013
PS4: 7th most viewed item

XB1: 11th most viewed item

http://reviews.cnet.com/8334-17742_7-57591839-15/readers'-favorite-gadgets-in-june-2013

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2C32PlzjI

[jaymo76]

No demos? That would really suck!!! The demo is often the deciding factor for me in a purchase.

[GatorfanStovy]

yes wtf no more demos :fp: damn that would suck hair monkey balls. Don't kill the demo's Sony/MS come on man. It's all we look forward for NCAA/Madden sport games in general.

[JBHuskers]

I rarely mess with demos.

[CLW]

I rarely mess with demos.

Yeah the only demo I download/play are EA Sports demos. So with season ticket they are kind of pointless.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm sort of split. Sports games, meh, I've got season ticket. I've played the NCAA '14 demo exactly one time since it was released. And that one time consisted of me playing Ohio State-Michigan for exactly one half until I dashboarded out at halftime to play something else. So EA Sports demos, not the least bit concerned about. Season Ticket is my "demo".

Now for other games, I would miss demos. I probably never would have bought Bulletstorm Tuesday night if I hadn't played the demo before, nor be waiting for the bastards at MS to list XCom on their sale so I can buy it if I hadn't previously played the demo, and I probably wouldn't have bought Sniper Elite V2 back in April or May if I hadn't played the demo first. While walkthrough/playthrough videos on Youtube are great and all, I want to have the actual hands on experience of the demo to sell me on getting the game.

However, on the flip side, I've bought probably 10x more games without ever playing a demo. I bought Red Dead Redemption back when it came out just based on recommendation from the Gamestop employee while I was browsing games. He told me about the game, told me of his experiences with it (and its wildlife) and it sold me without playing a demo or watching a video.

Overall, I'll ultimately be fine without demos. My game purchases have largely been wrapped up into certain games and series that I know I will enjoy from playing predecessors of them. For the games/series that I have never played before, I'll just do what I did with Bulletstorm, Crysis and H.A.W.X., wait until it drops to $5 or $10 on Xbox Live, either permanently or during a sale, and take the cheap gamble on it.

[AustinWolv]

Hm, I like having demos available, as some games I'm not too sure I'd like or are my style, but it allows me to try different types of games that I wouldn't bother otherwise.

[CLW]

Feel bad for IOU guys he's going through allot right now:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci4q2BixHFE

:nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

Pretty sure you're the one who'll relentlessly defend one brand while trashing the other, not me. :D

As I've said before, I think brand loyalty is just weird. Unless I have stock with one of the companies, I don't care who does better.

[CLW]

Analyst Believes The PS4, Xbox One And Wii U Won't Match Their Predecessor's Sales
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/17/analyst-believes-the-ps4-xbox-one-and-wii-u-wont-match-their-predecessors-sales/?partner=yahootix (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/17/analyst-believes-the-ps4-xbox-one-and-wii-u-wont-match-their-predecessors-sales/?partner=yahootix)

[I OU a Beatn]

If they're talking combined, then they're probably right. The Wii sold like gangbusters so it would take an EXTREMELY hot console to equal that. The One has no chance due to manufacturing, the Wii U has been dead-on-arrival so far, and I don't think the PS4 is going to be able to sell that much to make up for the other 2. I'd say there's going to be an even bigger decline than what they're expecting.

[JBHuskers]

With the ability to do more, there could be a renaissance in gaming.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

[CLW]

With the ability to do more, there could be a renaissance in gaming.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 4 Beta

I think if you exclude Wii sales from the equation I could see PS4/Xb1 combined doing better than PS3/360. However, I currently forecast PS4 picking up market share but not anything significant in terms of "new" gamers.

The article is right there isn't anything revolutionary coming this time. I mean seriously who want's to use their console to watch t.v.? Wii got hot with casuals and they are gone now.

[I OU a Beatn]

I'm sure a good many people will use the TV features, but that doesn't mean it's "revolutionary."

This generation is going to be all about improved draw distances, pretty effects, and more shit on the screen. We're also going to see more games released more quickly simply because Sony is no longer using a hard to develop for architecture so developers will be able to crank out games much quicker for all systems.

I don't even think that PS4/One can match PS3/360 to be honest. I'm sure it'll be close either way, but I don't see some massive growth. Overall, though, versus PS3/360/Wii there's no chance because none of these consoles have that *whatever it was that the Wii had* so none of them are going to sell as well as it did. I mean, the Wii STILL has a 20+ million lead on units sold over the 360 and PS3. :D

[AustinWolv]

Analyst Believes The PS4, Xbox One And Wii U Won't Match Their Predecessor's Sales
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/17/analyst-believes-the-ps4-xbox-one-and-wii-u-wont-match-their-predecessors-sales/?partner=yahootix (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/07/17/analyst-believes-the-ps4-xbox-one-and-wii-u-wont-match-their-predecessors-sales/?partner=yahootix)


Shit, with the way the economy is going and thanks to the d-bags who got elected again, a lot of people probably can't and won't stretch their budget to buy a new console. Especially since the games on the existing ones are still damn good, even if at the end of the technical abilities......

[Kingpin32]

Shit, with the way the economy is going and thanks to the d-bags who got elected again, a lot of people probably can't and won't stretch their budget to buy a new console. Especially since the games on the existing ones are still damn good, even if at the end of the technical abilities......
Well I'm definitely stretching my budget to get a console lol.

[GatorfanStovy]

Meh at 400 bucks i think the ps4 will be fine. I has a tone of pre orders in the green bay area.

[SmoothPancakes]

I has a tone of pre orders in the green bay area.

:ram?:

[SCClassof93]

:ram?:

pre orders.....They have tone :easy: :beer:

[JBHuskers]

pre orders.....They have tone :easy: :beer:

Have tone?

http://www.nowgamer.com/siteimage/scale/800/600/325310.png

[gschwendt]

XB1 will allow video capture just like the 360 did but still unsure about the PS4.
http://kotaku.com/you-can-use-video-capture-devices-on-xbox-one-but-what-985846898

[JBHuskers]

XB1 will allow video capture just like the 360 did but still unsure about the PS4.
http://kotaku.com/you-can-use-video-capture-devices-on-xbox-one-but-what-985846898

Common sense would dictate with the huge rise of game capturing that PS4 would allow it....or it's just false hope on our end :D

[CLW]

Common sense would dictate with the huge rise of game capturing that PS4 would allow it....or it's just false hope on our end :D

Meh Sony has basically gone with on all these "issues" Same as PS3.

[I OU a Beatn]

Common sense would dictate with the huge rise of game capturing that PS4 would allow it....or it's just false hope on our end :D

I'd be willing to bet it's the same way as PS3 - no HDMI. There's ways you can get around that anyway, so I'm not too concerned whether they do it or not.

[CLW]

Meh Sony has basically gone with on all these "issues" Same as PS3.


I'd be willing to bet it's the same way as PS3 - no HDMI. There's ways you can get around that anyway, so I'm not too concerned whether they do it or not.

And who was complaining about not reading posts? Just sayin'

[I OU a Beatn]

And who was complaining about not reading posts? Just sayin'

There's a difference between posting the exact same article and having a similar opinion. :D

I was just saying, Sony seems out of touch with online gaming and anything related to it, so I'd personally be shocked if they changed anything regarding that. No one should care, either, because there's ways around the HDCP.

[JBHuskers]

I'd be willing to bet it's the same way as PS3 - no HDMI. There's ways you can get around that anyway, so I'm not too concerned whether they do it or not.

How do you get around it?

[gschwendt]

How do you get around it?
http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/24041.jpg (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023104&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2)
http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/14191.jpg (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=1419&seq=1&format=1#largeimage)
http://images.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/53692.jpg (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011405&p_id=5369&seq=1&format=2)

[JBHuskers]

Does that work with Hauppauge?

[gschwendt]

Does that work with Hauppauge?
It won't... you would have to get a HDMI to Component adapter but the little experimenting I did with that didn't have very good results.

[I OU a Beatn]

You could do it with the new PVR 2 since it has HDMI recording capabilities. I would have to assume that would have better results than using the original PVR and using the HDMI to component adapter. I do it with my Elgato and it works the same as usual.

[JBHuskers]

I'll just have to upgrade sometime soon then.

[SmoothPancakes]

Thank god I'll be able to completely avoid all that hassle with the Xbox One, if I end up getting an Elgato in the future.

[SCClassof93]

Thank god I'll be able to completely avoid all that hassle with the Xbox One, if I end up getting an Elgato in the future.

You are getting a ps4 and playing Destiny with me and you know it.....stop with the bs :D

[CLW]

Possible Xbox One and PlayStation 4 UK Release Dates
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/05/possible-xbox-one-and-playstation-4-uk-release-dates

[JBHuskers]

Are we still on a wait and see if the converter + Hauppauge 2 or Elgato works on the PS4? Or are we in the wait and see if it works without the converter?

[gschwendt]

Wait and see if it works without the converter... it should work with the converter regardless.

[JBHuskers]

Wait and see if it works without the converter... it should work with the converter regardless.

K, the Elgato was on a lightning deal today for $130, but ended before I woke up. I'll keep an eye on the price.

[I OU a Beatn]

Why it was only a matter of time before Sony started charging for online (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/424557/ps4-will-make-12bn-each-year-from-ps-plus-analyst-estimates/)

Basically, Plus made them $140 million in 2012, while Microsoft earned $1.25 billion during the same time frame with Xbox Live. They're estimating that once Sony puts online gaming behind their pay wall, they'll be making about the same as Microsoft.

[souljahbill]

Since NCAA looks to have its days numbered, my jump in point for next gen probably is Mass Effect 4.

[jaymo76]

I see today that best buy (canada) has now changed the release date for ps4 to nov 30th. It used to have dec 31 as a placeholder. I have been given several emails all saying Nov 30th. I just don't see these consoles releasing in october, like many have suggested. Late november continues to come up. Staggered or not I don't expect to see consoles before then.

[oweb26]

Since NCAA looks to have its days numbered, my jump in point for next gen probably is Mass Effect 4.


Yeah , its getting tough to justify the jump when nothing I play consistently is even close to coming out.

[CLW]

Season Ticket does not carry over to PS4/XB1

http://www.operationsports.com/news/652119/ea-sports-season-ticket-exclusive-to-360-ps3-does-not-transfer-to-xbox-one-or-ps4/

KNEW this was coming when I re-upped for NCAA 14 so looks like I paid $25 for a weekend rental of NCAA 14 Madden 25 and the stupid NUT packs. :smh:

[I OU a Beatn]

Since we're going to be finding out release dates in a couple of days (more than likely anyway), any predictions on them?

Personally, I'm going with:

PS4 - October 23
One - November 13

[CLW]

Since we're going to be finding out release dates in a couple of days (more than likely anyway), any predictions on them?

Personally, I'm going with:

PS4 - October 23
One - November 13

PS4 - October 15th

One - Never. After Sony beats them to the market by a month MS takes their ball and goes home leaving the video game market forever. :nod:

[I OU a Beatn]

I know you're joking, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft has enough money available to withstand a complete bombing of the Xbox One, release another Xbox, have it bomb as well, give away about $10 billion, and still be A-okay. :D They're not pulling out no matter how good/poorly the One does.

Also, neither one of the fuckers had better pull a Nintendo and release it on a Sunday. If they do, Amazon orders wont arrive until Tuesday. I will be pissed.

[CLW]

GameStop Expects Xbox One, PS4 Launches To Be Biggest Ever

Retailer also expects "a significant increase in launch day quantities versus the last console launch."


GameStop is continuing to offer a "first-to-know" list for both consoles that informs customers of when additional systems become available for pre-order. Bartel noted there are 1.5 million people on the list for PlayStation 4, while there are 700,000 on the list for Xbox One. Keep in mind these numbers don't reflect the number of people to have already successfully pre-ordered either system.


http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/22/gamestop-expects-xbox-720-ps4-launches-to-be-biggest-ever

Interesting that its 2:1 for US demand + speculated additional pre-orders for PS4 over XB1. If that is true and PS4 is outselling XB1 2:1 in the U.S. it won't be good for MS in Europe/Japan elsewhere.

[I OU a Beatn]

They're basing it off a "first to know" list, so that's hardly a legitimate thing to go by. Pre-orders don't mean anything, either. The Wii U had great pre-order numbers and look at what it's doing now. Both consoles will be successful in North America and Europe, Microsoft will probably struggle in Japan just like they always have, and the world will continue to go 'round and 'round.

[CLW]

They're basing it off a "first to know" list, so that's hardly a legitimate thing to go by. Pre-orders don't mean anything, either. The Wii U had great pre-order numbers and look at what it's doing now. Both consoles will be successful in North America and Europe, Microsoft will probably struggle in Japan just like they always have, and the world will continue to go 'round and 'round.

Yes "first to know" is a measure of consumer demand/interest. Moreover, you have even admitted the speculated shortage in supply (compared to PS4 units). We have Amazon's 2013 video game sales for 2013 and PS4 is ahead of XB1 in the U.S. etc...

I think you would have to be really dumb and/or praying for a miracle if you want to bet/proclaim XB1 will outsell PS4 this year.

[I OU a Beatn]

Yes "first to know" is a measure of consumer demand/interest. Moreover, you have even admitted the speculated shortage in supply (compared to PS4 units). We have Amazon's 2013 video game sales for 2013 and PS4 is ahead of XB1 in the U.S. etc...

I think you would have to be really dumb and/or praying for a miracle if you want to bet/proclaim XB1 will outsell PS4 this year.

No, it isn't. It's a list to get an email when information is released. Most people can get that information on various sites. To say there's more interest in the PS4 in their list would be accurate, but to say there's more interest in the PS4 based solely on that list is just retarded. Does everyone shop at GS and only at GS? Does every who wants a console sign up for the list? Unless both of those answers are "yes," it isn't accurate to use that as the end all argument of who has more interest.

Never said which would outsell the other. I also don't care. I don't have stock in either one of them, so as long as both of them do well enough to be around for the following generation, I'll be happy for the both of them. I think it's pretty obvious that the PS4 will outsell the One this year, considering it's got a $100 price advantage and the fact that it's launching in over twice as many countries.

I'm just saying it's stupid to assume that based on a "first to know" list at one retailer.

[SmoothPancakes]

No, it isn't. It's a list to get an email when information is released. Most people can get that information on various sites. To say there's more interest in the PS4 in their list would be accurate, but to say there's more interest in the PS4 based solely on that list is just retarded. Does everyone shop at GS and only at GS? Does every who wants a console sign up for the list? Unless both of those answers are "yes," it isn't accurate to use that as the end all argument of who has more interest.

Never said which would outsell the other. I also don't care. I don't have stock in either one of them, so as long as both of them do well enough to be around for the following generation, I'll be happy for the both of them. I think it's pretty obvious that the PS4 will outsell the One this year, considering it's got a $100 price advantage and the fact that it's launching in over twice as many countries.

I'm just saying it's stupid to assume that based on a "first to know" list at one retailer.

Case in point, I signed up at the source, Xbox.com, for information on when the Xbox One would be available to pre-order/order, instead of Amazon or Gamestop or wherever else. I know I sure wasn't the only one. So while PS4 may have the edge at Gamestop, that doesn't mean it's the case in the overall picture when you take every other store or website in the US and world offering people the ability to sign up for such lists. Go compile a large enough sample size of lists and tally up the numbers, and then maybe there will be a case to make one way or the other. Numbers from only one, single site? Yeah, too small of a sample size to even try and predict one way or the other.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Case in point, I signed up at the source, Xbox.com, for information on when the Xbox One would be available to pre-order/order, instead of Amazon or Gamestop or wherever else. I know I sure wasn't the only one. So while PS4 may have the edge at Gamestop, that doesn't mean it's the case in the overall picture when you take every other store or website in the US and world offering people the ability to sign up for such lists. Go compile a large enough sample size of lists and tally up the numbers, and then maybe there will be a case to make one way or the other. Numbers from only one, single site? Yeah, too small of a sample size to even try and predict one way or the other.

i'm sure if we went to xbox.com and saw the numbers for the amount of emails they have for pre-order info, they would show that the XB1 is outselling the ps4 a million to nothing.....

[SmoothPancakes]

i'm sure if we went to xbox.com and saw the numbers for the amount of emails they have for pre-order info, they would show that the XB1 is outselling the ps4 a million to nothing.....

Clearly. :D

And that's the point, using just one site, one place to base your presumptions on is ridiculous. You'd have to go to a bunch of sites and tally up all the numbers to have a proper sample size before you can start to draw any conclusions. Otherwise, it's just picking the site that fits your agenda. We could simply go find a site that is reporting the opposite of Gamestop, numbers giving Xbox a 2:1 edge in the US, and make the same claims as CLW is making. You can making any claim you want with as tiny as a single source for your sample size. Doesn't mean that it's gonna be correct.

[CLW]

i'm sure if we went to xbox.com and saw the numbers for the amount of emails they have for pre-order info, they would show that the XB1 is outselling the ps4 a million to nothing.....


Clearly. :D

And that's the point, using just one site, one place to base your presumptions on is ridiculous. You'd have to go to a bunch of sites and tally up all the numbers to have a proper sample size before you can start to draw any conclusions. Otherwise, it's just picking the site that fits your agenda. We could simply go find a site that is reporting the opposite of Gamestop, numbers giving Xbox a 2:1 edge in the US, and make the same claims as CLW is making. You can making any claim you want with as tiny as a single source for your sample size. Doesn't mean that it's gonna be correct.

Except MS isn't directly selling ANY units. You have to look at the various retailers to see who is probably in the lead. Again, your either in denial or praying for a comeback if you think XB1 is in the lead. The question is just how big of a lead does PS4 have.

You XB fanboys have ignored the other data in this other threads posted re: (1) PS4 having a larger supply than XB1; (2) Amazon's video game sales for 2013; (3) reports from various retailer employees re: preorders etc...

[Basmare]

Except MS isn't directly selling ANY units. You have to look at the various retailers to see who is probably in the lead. Again, your either in denial or praying for a comeback if you think XB1 is in the lead. The question is just how big of a lead does PS4 have.

XB1 can never be in the lead globally. Microsoft pulled 8 launch regions out of 21 because of ''localization issues''. I think that is bogus, for example Switzerland with it's main languages French and German, was pulled from launch, while Germany and France both will be launch regions. It is very much possible they are experiencing difficulties with production of the XB1 and to secure the US market, they pulled the 8 regions to have enough units in their domestic market (thus I'm directly affected). The European launch regions will receive Fifa Soccer 14 and we (the Benelux and other affected non-launch regions) will be compensated by giving all pre-orders that stood before the compensation announcement to get 2 at this point unknown AAA titles at launch for free. The projected launch date for us is somewhere between mid-February and the beginning of April. Microsoft is fighting for the US Market, but is having trouble everywhere else.

[SmoothPancakes]

Regardless of what the numbers say, it won't matter one damn bit. MS will still sell millions of XBox Ones, life will go on like normal, shit will still be the same as it was yesterday, and in 5, 6, 7, however many years, we'll be talking about the upcoming launch of the Xbox Whatever and the PS5. So there really is no point whatsoever to all of this "who's gonna win, who's gonna sell more, this console is gonna kick that console's ass". If you truly believe otherwise, you're also in denial, or else mentally retarded. It's gonna be same shit, different day.

[Basmare]

Regardless of what the numbers say, it won't matter one damn bit. MS will still sell millions of XBox Ones, life will go on like normal, shit will still be the same as it was yesterday, and in 5, 6, 7, however many years, we'll be talking about the upcoming launch of the Xbox Whatever and the PS5. So there really is no point whatsoever to all of this "who's gonna win, who's gonna sell more, this console is gonna kick that console's ass". If you truly believe otherwise, you're also in denial, or else mentally retarded. It's gonna be same shit, different day.

Agreed.

[I OU a Beatn]

Except MS isn't directly selling ANY units. You have to look at the various retailers to see who is probably in the lead. Again, your either in denial or praying for a comeback if you think XB1 is in the lead. The question is just how big of a lead does PS4 have.

You XB fanboys have ignored the other data in this other threads posted re: (1) PS4 having a larger supply than XB1; (2) Amazon's video game sales for 2013; (3) reports from various retailer employees re: preorders etc...

No one is ignoring anything. You're being delusional as you usually are. No one is arguing that the PS4 is going to outsell the Xbox One out of the gates. We're simply saying you can't just pick one retailer's "more info" list and use that as a source for the entire world.

Besides, as I said before, what's in it for you if the PS4 ends up outselling the Xbox One lifetime? I don't care which one outsells the other, I just hope they're both successful so that there will be a ton of support for the both of them and that they both end up making additional consoles after these launch. I used to think you're just playing around, but with all this sales talk where you seem very serious, I'm beginning to think you're like these pubescent kids I read on the internet beating their chests about which console is better and which one is going to sell more. It's weird.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2S8P5eur94

[CLW]

Upgrading Your Game to Next-Gen? Be Ready to Lose ProgressBuyer Beware.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/26/upgrading-your-game-to-next-gen-be-ready-to-lose-progress (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/26/upgrading-your-game-to-next-gen-be-ready-to-lose-progress)