Madden 25 Info

[WolverineJay]

I think the wide view and coordinator cam are ok not really my thing though. I never used the overhead view on last gen either just the classic cam. I will stick with the normal NCAA cam since that is more what I am use to plus it does look a bit farther back than recent NCAA's.

[Rudy]

OS impressions from E3: http://www.operationsports.com/features/1655/e3-2013-madden-nfl-25-impressions/ These are weak compared to the NCAA impressions imo.

"It is disappointing to bull rush a QB and get stonewalled while using a spin move that keeps you in the same exact position as when you started -- which is, nowhere near the quarterback. I tried to get pressure with JJ Watt against a weak offensive line and wasn't having any luck. I did burst through on occasion, but this is still a bit concerning. "

The r-stick moves sucked last year and it seems they aren't too good this year. My big concern is using the just "run into the OL and then turbo around him" move. That worked far too well last year. I hope that got toned down.

[Rudy]

A low res clip on Instagram but a nice little video showing foot planting and cuts. Cowboys vs. Giants.

http://instagram.com/p/azC_7hq3n0/#

[WolverineJay]

Well it looks like Madden will be my game of choice this year now that I keep seeing the DB aggressive zones glitch in NCAA 14. No worries about that being in Madden 25 since no game plan adjustments. I like running the ball in NCAA 14 and that should get even better with the added modifier for Madden. Looking forward to the demo dropping in about 5 or 6 weeks, I hope it makes me want to forget Madden 12 (played it for 2 years and its kind of stale, lol).

[Rudy]

While I want to play the NCAA demo some more and I have liked it, it hasn't been enough to sway me away from Madden 25. I hope we get a fully featured demo again and it will make for some good comparisons. I'm disappointed that no Madden game changer out there has written an article comparing their time with Madden and the NCAA 14 demo.

[jaymo76]

While I want to play the NCAA demo some more and I have liked it, it hasn't been enough to sway me away from Madden 25. I hope we get a fully featured demo again and it will make for some good comparisons. I'm disappointed that no Madden game changer out there has written an article comparing their time with Madden and the NCAA 14 demo.

Actually I have enjoyed the demo. I will surely be purchasing regardless of the issues. Madden 25 looks amazing but I'm not sure what to do because I have still not cancelled my PS4 pre-order so if I go through with it I may pick up Madden 25 ps4 edition rather than for the ps3.

[Rudy]

For guys looking to get Madden Next Gen hopefully there will be some real gameplay videos for you before Madden current gen releases. That way you can make you decision easier.

[countryboy]

So far, Madden has me more intrigued than NCAA does. The demo for NCAA really turned me off to that game. However I am looking forward to trying both before I buy using the Season Ticket.

[jaymo76]

So far, Madden has me more intrigued than NCAA does. The demo for NCAA really turned me off to that game. However I am looking forward to trying both before I buy using the Season Ticket.

Season ticket is a great thing to have as you get a chance to see the full version of the game and then decide. I assume though that season ticket is only for ps3? A lot of people may buy both Maddens BUT I will only be buying one. I hate how Madden now comes out so late now. It was perfect with the early August release but the end of August means holidays are over and it's back to work.

[Rudy]

I hate how Madden now comes out so late now. It was perfect with the early August release but the end of August means holidays are over and it's back to work.

I like it actually. The rosters are a lot more accurate on release now. Many of us would fire up a franchise about 1-2 weeks after getting it. Now when we do it the rosters are a lot more accurate. I know that may be a weak reason but I can only play so many exhibition games before I need to get something real going.

[GatorfanStovy]

So far, Madden has me more intrigued than NCAA does. The demo for NCAA really turned me off to that game. However I am looking forward to trying both before I buy using the Season Ticket.


You must be more Madden guy. NCAA demo is awesome IMO. If you bump up it ALl American turn down player threshold to 30 it seems do alright.

But I swear Alabama is way overrated. I can beat them pretty easily with VT . I do have have troubles running from time to time. But I still can beat them fairly easily..

It will be fun running over the SEC with :Florida: ONce I get the game.

[jaymo76]

You must be more Madden guy. NCAA demo is awesome IMO. If you bump up it ALl American turn down player threshold to 30 it seems do alright.

But I swear Alabama is way overrated. I can beat them pretty easily with VT . I do have have troubles running from time to time. But I still can beat them fairly easily..

It will be fun running over the SEC with :Florida: ONce I get the game.

I would suggest putting cpu D to Heisman and turning down hum qb accuracy to 20 and hum wr catching to 45 as a starting point. This will make a lot more of a challenge. AA on default across the board seems pretty easy this year and last year. Most people on this site moved to Heisman last year for a better challenge and I suspect that will be the case this year. I prefer having my offense on AA and then modified sliders to give the cpu an advantage.

[GatorfanStovy]

Jaymo,
That is true. I just thought it was pretty easy at first and fun but then got boring. I may have to do the same this year. I did have AA sliders set to from last year ... Any ways back to Madden people. ... Can't wait..

[Rudy]

Madsci is starting to load some Madden videos. He's got a game of Steelers (cpu) at Panthers. 4 videos, one quarter each. Not a lot of great gameplay as the user runs or throws short passes. Too many swing passes in these vids on both sides. The 3rd quarter has quite a few runs. The 4th quarter is long. I personally think the new Madden default cam will be a big hit. It's zoomed in on the running plays and yet you can still see all the WRs during passing plays.

1st quarter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye5JBzcSlL0

I'm still annoyed at the poor alignments I see in Madden and NCAA with regards to strong formations. Why doesn't the cpu shift the LBs over? Look at how the Panthers line up with both TEs on the right side and yet the defense stays completely balanced (1:47). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDVB3ZxwjxE&feature=player_detailpage#t=107s That is ridiculous. Of course the strongside cpu ILB cheats on this play and sprints to the outside at the snap. He actually leaves a massive hole up the middle although that's not where the play is designed to go. It's like EA programs the game to cheat rather than align properly. Again the user lines up in double TEs at 2:35, actually flips the formation and the cpu never moves. Very next play the exact same thing! At least I didn't see blatant cheating on the last two plays but unbalanced sets were money running plays in M13. I could run over 300 yards with Chris Johnson if I allowed myself too. It's the same in NCAA (see 6:35 of Miami-Georgia clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZmGpjhVVBw). If a user lines up over loading one side or motions guys to overload a side the cpu needs to shift their LBs to align better.

[countryboy]

You must be more Madden guy. NCAA demo is awesome IMO. If you bump up it ALl American turn down player threshold to 30 it seems do alright.

But I swear Alabama is way overrated. I can beat them pretty easily with VT . I do have have troubles running from time to time. But I still can beat them fairly easily..

It will be fun running over the SEC with :Florida: ONce I get the game.

No I like football, but the NCAA demo just isn't doing it for me. I like the "new" features that Madden is bringing to the table moreso than what NCAA is bringing. But there was a time when I would buy both and play them religiously until the following Spring when the new baseball game would drop. But sadly, those days seem to be in the past as both titles have struggled mightily to keep my interest.

[WolverineJay]

No I like football, but the NCAA demo just isn't doing it for me. I like the "new" features that Madden is bringing to the table moreso than what NCAA is bringing. But there was a time when I would buy both and play them religiously until the following Spring when the new baseball game would drop. But sadly, those days seem to be in the past as both titles have struggled mightily to keep my interest.

I am in the same boat slowly sailing away from the EA Football Island. I passed on Madden 13 and truly only enjoyed Madden 12 on current gen. NCAA 11 pulled me back in then NCAA 12 and 13' got ruined with the Aggressive zones glitch so I just played Madden 12 during the football season mostly. Unfortunately, I no longer look at NCAA or Madden as a year long experience but rather 4 -6 months tops.

[jaymo76]

No I like football, but the NCAA demo just isn't doing it for me. I like the "new" features that Madden is bringing to the table moreso than what NCAA is bringing. But there was a time when I would buy both and play them religiously until the following Spring when the new baseball game would drop. But sadly, those days seem to be in the past as both titles have struggled mightily to keep my interest.


I am in the same boat slowly sailing away from the EA Football Island. I passed on Madden 13 and truly only enjoyed Madden 12 on current gen. NCAA 11 pulled me back in then NCAA 12 and 13' got ruined with the Aggressive zones glitch so I just played Madden 12 during the football season mostly. Unfortunately, I no longer look at NCAA or Madden as a year long experience but rather 4 -6 months tops.

I think it just comes down to accepting that EA/Tiburon football is EA/Tiburon football. What you see is what you get. I dislike a number of philosophies EA/Tiburon has on football design but the reality is that my views are not theirs. I am an offline only player who wants full immersion and depth to keep me immersed. It seems now like the whole focus is online... that's just not me.

[Rudy]

I am in the same boat slowly sailing away from the EA Football Island. I passed on Madden 13 and truly only enjoyed Madden 12 on current gen. NCAA 11 pulled me back in then NCAA 12 and 13' got ruined with the Aggressive zones glitch so I just played Madden 12 during the football season mostly. Unfortunately, I no longer look at NCAA or Madden as a year long experience but rather 4 -6 months tops.

I'm exactly the same way. On the PS2 I would play football all year round. This gen has killed that. I get 6 months max.

[Rudy]

I know Jaymo loves his Raidahs! Lions vs. Raiders in Madsci's latest. Full game with each quarter a video.

First quarter: (Note that 1st and 2nd quarter are swapped - incorrect titles).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzZgjQpUg4E

In the second Q CPU Stafford threw 3 picks. Ugh. CPU is bad in NCAA demo. But I'm sure after 7 or 8 bad years of this crap the power of next gen will fix everything.
:smh:

[GatorfanStovy]

Besides a few new plays/play books and cut backs along with new animations. Madden looks the same graphics wise :( :fp: I guess we won't see a big change until Madden 16 oh well.

[jaymo76]

I know Jaymo loves his Raidahs! Lions vs. Raiders in Madsci's latest. Full game with each quarter a video.

First quarter: (Note that 1st and 2nd quarter are swapped - incorrect titles).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzZgjQpUg4E

In the second Q CPU Stafford threw 3 picks. Ugh. CPU is bad in NCAA demo. But I'm sure after 7 or 8 bad years of this crap the power of next gen will fix everything.
:smh:

Thanks Rudy! Gameplay wise things look identical to Madden 13. I wonder how infinity will feel the second time around???

[Rudy]

Gator, EA has maxed out these systems graphically. I think Madden looks good and other than improving animations I did not expect any graphical upgrades.

I disagree that the gameplay will be the same in all areas at least but I do have a bunch of unanswered questions. This E3 was not very good for Madden info imo.

Running game - the improved blocking will make a difference in the running game I think. It's certainly better in the NCAA demo, especially for the cpu. I've seen the cpu runners in NCAA use more special moves and be smarter. NCAA has an advantage with the RB Ability slider that is absent in Madden. Often times I want to give the cpu RB a boost (and not just in breaking tackles). Madden cpu RBs rarely used special moves last year. I hope that is fixed.

The cpu passing attack was lousy on all levels last year on Madden. That's why it concerns me to see all these picks by the cpu QB. This needs to be better. I want to see them throw it to the top receivers more too. The jury is still out on this. We also need to see team play calling improve. I never want to see 80% runs on first and second down again due to horrible gameplanning ratings in the playbooks.

User passing - this became too easy since the cpu DBs never disguised their coverage. Off at pre-snap meant curls were open all day. Press and a go route was almost always there for the good WRs. The new disguised coverage stuff we can use (and I hope the cpu uses) hasn't been talked about enough and could make this area more of a chess match and less automatic unlike M13. I also want the cpu to be smarter as well. On 3rd and 3 I don't want them giving my WRs a 10 yard cushion and easy first down. That was lousy last year. The cpu was dumb as rocks.

DL play. It doesn't look like much has changed. The LE/RE issue was terrible last year as LEs got twice as many sacks. People were saying the NCAA demo was better in this area. I hope so and I hope it applies to Madden.

Special teams - unless I put on a blindfold I would make every FG kick. This is because kicking is too easy at default AND because there are no separate sliders for cpu kicking. Shopmaster said nothing has changed here. Inexcusable imo.

I think the new wider default camera will be fun to play with.

[jaymo76]

File sharing blog.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-59AJHVwGEc

[Rudy]

The exciting news to me is it looks like Madden finally has user and cpu special teams sliders!

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Madden/M25SliderCapture.jpg

Looks like they got rid of all the defensive line sliders like pass rush and block shedding. They also got rid of run reaction time. It never worked that great so not a huge loss but I hate losing sliders. We do get a true pass coverage slider which is huge since the reaction time slider didn't do much of anything last year. I hope they add RB ability instead of break tackles. That was redundant with the tackle slider. I will love finally being able to tune the kicking sliders better!


Second - I have noticed on a lot of the videos that the cpu CBs will come up and show press but won't attempt to jam at the line and drop in man or zone. Last year the press always meant a jam and if they whiffed they were destroyed. Is this the new disguise coverage option?

[jaymo76]

All of the relocation names.


http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/05/29/to...madden-nfl-25/


Los Angeles, California Dreams All Stars Aftershock
Toronto, Canada Mounties Huskies Thunderbirds
London, England Bulldogs Black Knights Monarchs (NFL Europe)
Mexico City, Mexico Diablos Conquistadors Golden Eagles
San Antonio, Texas Dreadnoughts Marshalls Express
Orlando, Florida Orbits Wizards Sentinels
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Night Hawks Bisons

Salt Lake City, Utah Elks Pioneers Flyers
Brooklyn, New York Dodgers (Defunct) Beats Yanks
Memphis, Tennessee Hounds Egyptians Steamers
Chicago, Illinois Cougars Blues Tigers (Defunct)
Sacramento, California Miners Condors Redwoods
Columbus, Ohio Aviaters Panhandles (Defunct) Caps
Portland, Oregon Snowhawks Lumberjacks River Hogs
Austin, Texas Bats Armadillos Desperados
Dublin, Ireland Derbys Shamrocks Celtic Tigers
Houston, Texas Oilers (Defunct) Gunners Voyagers

[WolverineJay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUd5oBc_aEQ&feature=player_embedded

In this Madden 25 youtube video from e3, I noticed the same thing I see happening in the demo for NCAA 14 (shuffling feet or a hitch step when transitioning to top speed). Usually it happens only once but I've seen it twice on runs you have to cut or juke then re-gain top speed especially with DAT Oregon HB#6. I don't know what is causing this animation, but my guess is the runner is transitioning from acceleration burst to full speed.

The opening kickoff return for the Packers Cobb begins around 1:30 and he receives the kick at his own 5 and gets a very nice return that probably would have been a touchdown in real life. The hitch step or shuffling feet during the run occurs at 1:35 or 1:36 when Cobb reaches the 30 yard line. I notice it a lot on the NCAA demo and now I immediately spot it in the Madden videos. This is upsetting to have a shuffling of feet which basically means the ball carrier loses a step allowing the defenders to catch back up with their fast pursuit speeds. This needs to be removed since I never saw it in any Madden 13 video or in the demo last year.

[JBHuskers]

:D :D :D :D :D

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/hernandez_zpsf90040b2.png?t=1372870111

[steelerfan]

:fp:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Rudy]

Shopmaster is reporting that the Madden demo is most likely to be out August 13th, two weeks before release.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/03/madden-nfl-25-demo-scheduled-august-13th/

[countryboy]

Shopmaster is reporting that the Madden demo is most likely to be out August 13th, two weeks before release.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/03/madden-nfl-25-demo-scheduled-august-13th/

cannot wait to get my hands on it. :nod:

[Rudy]

I'm looking forward to it too. It seems there has been more buzz around NCAA 14 than Madden 25 this year.

[jaymo76]

Nice find with the demo information Rudy. I always enjoy the Madden demo as they usually give 5 min quarters and access to all sliders so you get a real feel for the game.

[WolverineJay]

Yeah I look forward to trying out the Madden 25 demo as well.

You never know what you are going to get from the Madden team, sometimes its only a half, or no commentary but instant replays, or like last year we got 2 match-ups.

[Rudy]

The funny thing is they tweeted me that last year's demo wouldn't have access to sliders and they were wrong. You had access to everything including accelerated clock which I turned off. That allowed for 5 minute quarters and a long game.

[countryboy]

In the next week or two, I am expecting to be flooded with Madden 25 information. Cannot wait...:popcorn:

[GatorfanStovy]

In the next week or two, I am expecting to be flooded with Madden 25 information. Cannot wait...:popcorn:

Why? Will u have the game or something?

[Rudy]

I went back and played the Madden 13 demo this morning. I liked it quite a bit better than the NCAA 14 demo. I think it looks better and the Infinity Engine is better on tackles - you see gang tackling. It's smoother and has defence. The r-stick juke is better too.

At this point I am just sticking with Madden. I'm more of an NFL guy and it's painfully obvious EA's Madden team is much bigger and better IMO.

[jaymo76]

I went back and played the Madden 13 demo this morning. I liked it quite a bit better than the NCAA 14 demo. I think it looks better and the Infinity Engine is better on tackles - you see gang tackling. It's smoother and has defence. The r-stick juke is better too.

At this point I am just sticking with Madden. I'm more of an NFL guy and it's painfully obvious EA's Madden team is much bigger and better IMO.

There is no doubt that Madden's visuals are outstanding as compared to NCAA. The players models, coaches, uniforms, etc. are night and day from NCAA. It will be interesting to see what type of jump NCAA 15 makes for PS4.

[WolverineJay]

I went back and played the Madden 13 demo this morning. I liked it quite a bit better than the NCAA 14 demo. I think it looks better and the Infinity Engine is better on tackles - you see gang tackling. It's smoother and has defence.

I actually did the same thing early last week after playing about 20 games of the NCAA 14 demo. I decided to pick up Madden 13 for $8 off ebay mostly to just get the feel for scouting and drafting in Madden 25 since it should be very similar. I have had to adjust sliders from my Madden 12 set and make a few roster edits to help the gameplay. 1 example I edited the Pass Blocking of all LT's in order to tone down the LE sack issue and give the RE's a chance. After finally playing Madden 13, I have to say I am now really looking forward to Madden 25 and what it has to offer with full control.

[Rudy]

The sliders didn't work that well in M13. I'm hoping they work better in M25. The LE vs. RE issue was a big problem last year. Your edits probably help a lot.

[Rudy]

This is the playbook schedule:
Run Free - April 24
Infinity Engine 2 - April 24
Connected Franchise Part 1 - May 6
Connected Franchise Part 2 - May 20
Madden Share - June 24
Madden Ultimate Team - July 1
All-Madden Team - July 8

Looks like we have one more blog coming about the All-Madden team. Should be out today I guess.

Here is Shopmaster's article on the new chemistry and head to head seasons in MUT: http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/01/head-to-head-seasons-team-chemistry-madden-nfl-25-ultimate-team/

[Rudy]

I just watched the Run Free video again. I think some of those jukes and jump cuts are a lot better than what I was able to pull off in the NCAA 14 demo. Not sure if I wasn't doing it right but the moves look bigger in the Madden video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGJDqL9N2c8

[WolverineJay]

My quick take on a few things I would like to see fixed in Madden 25. I haven't watched all the playbook videos or paid that much attention to e3 videos so maybe some of my issues with 13 have already been mentioned as fixed for Madden 25.

I hate the menu's and User Interface in M13 CCM. I shouldn't have to go digging for all my relevant info regarding my team and league. It just feels like a big jumbled mess compared to M12 and its rather simplified UI. Any word on whether the menu and UI has been re-done like NCAA 14?

I despise all the freezing issues I am seeing in CCM. When I am looking at depth chart, rosters, free agents, and scouting prospects suddenly the game screen freezes requiring a hard reset and I have now learned to save often which can get bothersome. It will be very annoying if owner mode has all these crashes and freezes in it.

I feel so disconnected from the league because simming the week is so slow and without showing the scores of the other games I have no feel as if I am in a living league. The news and twitter page helps offset this some, but I like paying attention to the records and scores while simming week to week it lets my mind create storylines. Simming a whole season in M12 took 10 minutes where in M13 it takes hours. Let's hope this has seen a major overhaul in M25 because I don't have all the time in the world.

Practice? Yes I am talking about practice, lol. What a boring uninspired mess this mini-game is in M13. I did it twice and I think the watching paint dry channel is more exciting. I skipped it the rest of the season and I can't believe the end result. The only XP my players got while simming a season were for weekly goals and milestone goals. This led to my highest XP gain being 3500 for my LT while the next highest was 2500 for my RG and every other player got less than 1500 XP, meaning I couldn't improve them at all. I think an easy fix would be add back in the old NFL films music during the practice session and add in player and coach chatter. This is suppose to be an NFL practice right? Let the players talk, coaches yell, and have my actual back-ups play against me.

I have one final note that I hope is different in M25 and that is scouting. I really think the bland grades are better than nothing but the game really needs to have a + and - grading scale. I mean I scouted 9 MLB's and they all had B tackling. I scouted 7 WR's and 6 had B catching. I feel almost every player gets a B or a C Physical grade(like 90% of guys I scouted and I scouted over 80 guys). The 1st time I tried just unlocking the grade for Physical and Intangible on as many guys as possible (I got 2000 SP per week and every 5 weeks I scouted). I scouted 86 guys then started looking deeper into a few of them which led to a freeze and my 2nd attempt with a different approach. I just started looking at letter grades of the top 4 or 5 attributes per position. Because of all the roster editing I have done with NCAA and Madden, I have a great feel for what is important for a player regarding gameplay. I scouted almost 100 players using this method and you guessed it the game froze again this time in week 7 of the off-season(Is this close to the NFL draft?). I have now learned as I mentioned earlier to save after every scouting session since I don't trust the stability of this game at all.

I am sorry about clogging up the Madden 25 info thread. I just hope these things are improved in M25 and wondered if any info was out regarding them obviously have to wait on the freezing issues until the game drops next month.

[Rudy]

That's not clogging up the Madden 25 thread at all! I love reading everyone's thoughts on Madden and what they would like to see improved.

I don't remember having freezing issues in Madden last year. Are you on PS3 or 360? Maybe doing the PS3 database rebuild would help you. Not sure.

The menus were a mess last year and are supposed to be a lot better this year. I know I was confused as to where to go initially and am looking forward to this being better.

There is a transaction log this year in M25. That didn't exist last year so you never knew if someone got signed, cut or retired unless they showed up in the twitter feed. There is no weekly wrap up show like the Point After in M10 or M11 so you may still feel disconnected. I do think the twitter stuff got expanded. I don't know if the simming has gotten any faster.

I understand you on those scouting grades. A B grade is 80s which is anywhere between 80 and 89 and that is subject to change over the course of a year. C grade is 70-79. Having a C- and C+ would be nice, especially if it only cost you a little more in scouting points. Quite frankly scouting and figuring out the EXACT number is unrealistic so a second level for better letter grades would be a good idea. Of course we need more scouting points and the Madden team seems to like to handcuff us here, especially since we don't get basic 40 time info. I don't think this has changed though but I'm not sure.

Practice was boring as heck. I wanted the XP so I would always pick the practice scenario that was only a 4th quarter one so it wouldn't take as long. Plus you play against a fake team which made no sense to me. I'd rather go against my 1st team defense and actually see real people out there. What I'd really like to see is something along the lines of the Skills Trainer in NCAA 14 where you do the Oklahoma drill, option drills, passing drills, etc. I'd love it if they let us replay Madden moments for points if we are successful. Create new ones within my Madden week too which would make me feel connected as well. Sadly, practice was barely touched according to Shopmaster so prepared to be super bored again!

[Rudy]

Connected Franchise Mode (CFM) will have options to turn off Ball Hawking and Heat Seeker on defense. You can also choose to let everyone relocate after the first year.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/08/madden-nfl-25-quick-hits-lost-thoughts-e3-cfm-demo/

Owner Mode Interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJ6ELkGdMc

[WolverineJay]

I will try the data base rebuild because the game shouldn't be that unstable. Thanks for the updates on the changes (In M12 I often checked the transaction log) and lack thereof from M13(practice mode could use a serious upgrade next gen). I miss the PS2 Madden Training Camp, and the NCAA 14 Skills Trainer shows that mode would be very welcomed if it returns.

I think ball hawk was hit and miss in NCAA 13 but in Madden 13 it is almost a guaranteed pick. Heat seeker in the NCAA 14 demo was worthless for me but it may have been disabled like CPU assist is on Heisman. I will turn them both off quickly if they are over-powered which unfortunately most new things are to attract the Madden arcade style casuals.

[jaymo76]

Connected Franchise Mode (CFM) will have options to turn off Ball Hawking and Heat Seeker on defense. You can also choose to let everyone relocate after the first year.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/08/madden-nfl-25-quick-hits-lost-thoughts-e3-cfm-demo/

Owner Mode Interview:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJ6ELkGdMc

Interesting video. It may be interesting to take over Jacksonville with the sole intent to move them to Houston and recreate the Oilers. I don't do relocation in sports games but this could be interesting. I wonder if next gen will have even more to the mode???

[jaymo76]

My quick take on a few things I would like to see fixed in Madden 25. I haven't watched all the playbook videos or paid that much attention to e3 videos so maybe some of my issues with 13 have already been mentioned as fixed for Madden 25.

I hate the menu's and User Interface in M13 CCM. I shouldn't have to go digging for all my relevant info regarding my team and league. It just feels like a big jumbled mess compared to M12 and its rather simplified UI. Any word on whether the menu and UI has been re-done like NCAA 14?

I despise all the freezing issues I am seeing in CCM. When I am looking at depth chart, rosters, free agents, and scouting prospects suddenly the game screen freezes requiring a hard reset and I have now learned to save often which can get bothersome. It will be very annoying if owner mode has all these crashes and freezes in it.

I feel so disconnected from the league because simming the week is so slow and without showing the scores of the other games I have no feel as if I am in a living league. The news and twitter page helps offset this some, but I like paying attention to the records and scores while simming week to week it lets my mind create storylines. Simming a whole season in M12 took 10 minutes where in M13 it takes hours. Let's hope this has seen a major overhaul in M25 because I don't have all the time in the world.

Practice? Yes I am talking about practice, lol. What a boring uninspired mess this mini-game is in M13. I did it twice and I think the watching paint dry channel is more exciting. I skipped it the rest of the season and I can't believe the end result. The only XP my players got while simming a season were for weekly goals and milestone goals. This led to my highest XP gain being 3500 for my LT while the next highest was 2500 for my RG and every other player got less than 1500 XP, meaning I couldn't improve them at all. I think an easy fix would be add back in the old NFL films music during the practice session and add in player and coach chatter. This is suppose to be an NFL practice right? Let the players talk, coaches yell, and have my actual back-ups play against me.

I have one final note that I hope is different in M25 and that is scouting. I really think the bland grades are better than nothing but the game really needs to have a + and - grading scale. I mean I scouted 9 MLB's and they all had B tackling. I scouted 7 WR's and 6 had B catching. I feel almost every player gets a B or a C Physical grade(like 90% of guys I scouted and I scouted over 80 guys). The 1st time I tried just unlocking the grade for Physical and Intangible on as many guys as possible (I got 2000 SP per week and every 5 weeks I scouted). I scouted 86 guys then started looking deeper into a few of them which led to a freeze and my 2nd attempt with a different approach. I just started looking at letter grades of the top 4 or 5 attributes per position. Because of all the roster editing I have done with NCAA and Madden, I have a great feel for what is important for a player regarding gameplay. I scouted almost 100 players using this method and you guessed it the game froze again this time in week 7 of the off-season(Is this close to the NFL draft?). I have now learned as I mentioned earlier to save after every scouting session since I don't trust the stability of this game at all.

I am sorry about clogging up the Madden 25 info thread. I just hope these things are improved in M25 and wondered if any info was out regarding them obviously have to wait on the freezing issues until the game drops next month.

Excellent write-up!!! I especially agree with the idea that the mode CFM makes you feel so isolated. There needs to be a wrap up shw and the ability to see live scores on a ticker. You lay your games and do your stuff in a bubble. The NFL is all about the experience and that's what Madden NFL needs to figure out.

[Rudy]

It seems all the attention went to Owner mode and I still don't know all the improvements to basic franchise.

[countryboy]

I am excited that Owner mode is returning. I loved that feature back on the PS2.

[countryboy]

Sorry for double post, but I really liked what I saw in terms of gameplay with the video included in the Owner Mode hype. Loved the safety play by Clark on the pick. He stayed with his assignment of deep coverage and picked off a terrible pass decision.

[countryboy]

I just spent the last hour watching youtube videos of gameplay from E3 and I must say, that I am very impressed by what I see. There are things that are still annoying, but all in all this game looks to be shaping up to be very good.

[jaymo76]

I just spent the last hour watching youtube videos of gameplay from E3 and I must say, that I am very impressed by what I see. There are things that are still annoying, but all in all this game looks to be shaping up to be very good.

I haven't watched too many videos because I don't want to mix up PS3 footage with PS4 footage.

[countryboy]

I haven't watched too many videos because I don't want to mix up PS3 footage with PS4 footage.

everything I just watched was on current console.

[skipwondah33]

Know that isn't final build or complete depth chart/roster

But I found it funny that Antonio Brown was the inside LB on kickoff

Looking forward to the demo. Believe the run game will be nice this year with the focus towards blocking in general and RB moves/movement.

[jaymo76]

I need to say that even though there are a number of issues with NCAA 14 I am having a lot of fun with it. In a lot of ways it's like experiencing Madden's CCM last year after all of the patches. I appreciate the owner mode updates but I cannot help but wonder how "fresh" the game will feel in other ways. I get the feeling that other than CFM's owner mode most of the big changes/additions will not be seen on PS3 but rather PS4/NEXT GEN CONSOLES.

[skipwondah33]

Believe it will feel and look more defined than NCAA in regards to the fluidity of the run game, tackles, animations as a whole.

Madden 13 is/was what NCAA 14 is like IMO minus the stuff that happened after tackles.

Can't imagine with the IE tweaked more than I'd expect it to be a better product than 13.

Note I'm speaking in terms of gameplay, not CCM or any other modes

[Rudy]

Believe it will feel and look more defined than NCAA in regards to the fluidity of the run game, tackles, animations as a whole.

Madden 13 is/was what NCAA 14 is like IMO minus the stuff that happened after tackles.

Can't imagine with the IE tweaked more than I'd expect it to be a better product than 13.

Note I'm speaking in terms of gameplay, not CCM or any other modes

I agree. I expect the tackles and animations to be better in Madden. Everyone is saying IE in NCAA 14 is better than M13 but I disagree with that. The post play stuff is cleaned up but I don't see the gang tackling I see in Madden. Madden was a lot better in this area IMO.

I'm not a fan of the toned down juke moves in NCAA either.

[Rudy]

A WR highlight vid from M25: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702343-see-wes-welker-greg-jennings-more-in-action-for-their-new-teams-on-madden-25

I must say I didn't care for some of the WR stiff arms and trucks from the smaller guys. Greg Jennings, Wallace and Welker all ran through or knocked over a DB. Fine for Brandon Marshall (not shown) or Boldin but that's not really those guys game imo. I'd have preferred seeing Wallace go deep! I did like Harvin's cut and then back stepping out of bounds. That was cool to see.

[countryboy]

A WR highlight vid from M25: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702343-see-wes-welker-greg-jennings-more-in-action-for-their-new-teams-on-madden-25

I must say I didn't care for some of the WR stiff arms and trucks from the smaller guys. Greg Jennings, Wallace and Welker all ran through or knocked over a DB. Fine for Brandon Marshall (not shown) or Boldin but that's not really those guys game imo. I'd have preferred seeing Wallace go deep! I did like Harvin's cut and then back stepping out of bounds. That was cool to see.

I agree with you to an extent. If this happens on a routine basis in the retail version of the game, I will be upset as well, but in these marketing videos, I don't put a whole lot of stock in those types of things.

Loved the Boldin catches and the Harvin's cut as you stated.

Cannot wait til this game drops.

[jaymo76]

http://media.gmc.com/content/media/us/en/gmc/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2013/Jul/0715-gmc-madden.html

GMC trucks in Madden 25...

[countryboy]

ok...that is pretty dang cool.

[steelerfan]

ok...that is pretty dang cool.

It is?

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[Escobar]

A WR highlight vid from M25: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702343-see-wes-welker-greg-jennings-more-in-action-for-their-new-teams-on-madden-25

I must say I didn't care for some of the WR stiff arms and trucks from the smaller guys. Greg Jennings, Wallace and Welker all ran through or knocked over a DB. Fine for Brandon Marshall (not shown) or Boldin but that's not really those guys game imo. I'd have preferred seeing Wallace go deep! I did like Harvin's cut and then back stepping out of bounds. That was cool to see.

Looks just like the stuff they added in NCAA '14 this year. When will we start seeing some more PS4 Madden videos?

[Rudy]

They haven't announced anything about when they will show more of the next gen stuff. We only got a brief look at E3.

I have a feeling that the next gen stuff is behind and not ready to be seen (full gameplay clips). That game doesn't release until November so when the current gen game is released I'm guessing they will move more resources over to help finish it. At E3 they only let people run the ball with AP. I think they showed off one passing play behind closed doors as well. I can only guess the AI was really rough at that point so they didn't want people to see much.

I also think they want to hold off on showing too much until current gen releases that way they don't cannibalize current gen sales. I'm sure EA would love it if people bought a PS3/360 Madden and then three months later wowed them with next gen and got them to buy another copy. I think the next gen sales of Madden will be really weak for the first game. It's hard to sell Madden after they would have sold 3 or 4 million copies already. Plus there won't be that many owners of next gen hardware at that point.

[countryboy]

They haven't announced anything about when they will show more of the next gen stuff. We only got a brief look at E3.

I have a feeling that the next gen stuff is behind and not ready to be seen (full gameplay clips). That game doesn't release until November so when the current gen game is released I'm guessing they will move more resources over to help finish it. At E3 they only let people run the ball with AP. I think they showed off one passing play behind closed doors as well. I can only guess the AI was really rough at that point so they didn't want people to see much.

I also think they want to hold off on showing too much until current gen releases that way they don't cannibalize current gen sales. I'm sure EA would love it if people bought a PS3/360 Madden and then three months later wowed them with next gen and got them to buy another copy. I think the next gen sales of Madden will be really weak for the first game. It's hard to sell Madden after they would have sold 3 or 4 million copies already. Plus there won't be that many owners of next gen hardware at that point.

I think the bolded part is more of the reason why we aren't seeing XOne/PS4 info vs that of 360/PS3. There will be far more opportunities to sell your game on current gen consoles vs next gen.

I think that once we reach October, the media will be flooded with next gen Madden 25 news/announcements/videos.

[skipwondah33]

A WR highlight vid from M25: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1702343-see-wes-welker-greg-jennings-more-in-action-for-their-new-teams-on-madden-25

I must say I didn't care for some of the WR stiff arms and trucks from the smaller guys. Greg Jennings, Wallace and Welker all ran through or knocked over a DB. Fine for Brandon Marshall (not shown) or Boldin but that's not really those guys game imo. I'd have preferred seeing Wallace go deep! I did like Harvin's cut and then back stepping out of bounds. That was cool to see.Atleast it wasn't like the NCAA stiff-arms where smaller guys are face palming guys into the ground lol

That and those videos are probably on Rookie difficulty

Will say hopefully they have the sideline awareness that NCAA has, regarding catches and interceptions. They have been looking amazing

[Rudy]

Run Free Madden video. Nothing really new but not bad.

http://bcove.me/f3j2e52j

[jaymo76]

The intersting thing with Madden 25 for PS4 is that in his initial reflections @ e3, Pasta Padre was least impressed with madden (graphics, gameplay, etc.). In truth I'm not expecting a big jump between madden 25 on ps3 and ps4. I;m just not sold on Tiburon studios and their direction. EA Canada does amazing things and take 2 /2k does great stuff as does scea. However, Tiburon hasn't proven (on ps3) that they can pull off what other studios can.

[countryboy]

video not bad. The hosts are terrible.

[jaymo76]

Run Free Madden video. Nothing really new but not bad.

http://bcove.me/f3j2e52j

They're really milking the whole run free. It's pretty much what is in NCAA 14 IMO. Yes there are nice additions but honestly I often forget to string moves together ( in the heat of the moment). NCAA's running feels good but I wonder if unlike NCAA, madden will have defense to stop these over-powered moves???

[Rudy]

Preview. I expect this to be a refined M13.

Madden 25 Hands On Preview http://t.co/8nSexkV8DW

[jaymo76]

Preview. I expect this to be a refined M13.

Madden 25 Hands On Preview http://t.co/8nSexkV8DW

I'm not expecting too much from Madden 25 as compared to 13. The owner mode, new running and basic requests from last year are the big changes. Madden 25 next gen seems to be getting a little more attention for this year's launch.

[Rudy]

I think it will be good. Right now I'm playing the M13 demo here and there after trading it in a few months ago. I can wait a few more weeks for the new demo and then the game. Owner mode will get no love for me so I hope the normal franchise wasn't overlooked. I still wish there was a scouting points slider so we could determine the starting amount of points a coach gets.

[jaymo76]

I think it will be good. Right now I'm playing the M13 demo here and there after trading it in a few months ago. I can wait a few more weeks for the new demo and then the game. Owner mode will get no love for me so I hope the normal franchise wasn't overlooked. I still wish there was a scouting points slider so we could determine the starting amount of points a coach gets.

I'm not a huge owner mode advocate either but I will surely be trying it out fully for season ticket. I have every intention of moving a team to see what it's like. I will probably do two sim tests... recreate the Houston Oilers and maybe a new team in Europe (Dublin???).

Madden 25 will be solid but it will NOT be a huge jump IMO. As you know I greatly enjoyed Madden 13 so I suspect that Madden 25 will be even more polished. I just hope all the little bugs have been fixed and the offline/online issues no longer exists.

[GatorfanStovy]

Do we know the team playable yet for Madden 25? Just curious.

[Rudy]

Do we know the team playable yet for Madden 25? Just curious.

Do you mean the demo? No info has come out other than the potential release date of August 13th.

[jaymo76]

Do you mean the demo? No info has come out other than the potential release date of August 13th.

Hopefully there will be multiple teams like last year. Personally I would love to see Atlanta and Seattle as a matchup but since Seattle was in last year, I doubt it.

[Rudy]

Hopefully there will be multiple teams like last year. Personally I would love to see Atlanta and Seattle as a matchup but since Seattle was in last year, I doubt it.

Multiple teams? I've been playing it and I thought it was only SF vs. the Giants. I just looked it up and there is the Redskins vs the Seahawks lol. I'm so stupid. I didn't even remember they had multiple teams. Going to play some of that tomorrow then lol.

[Rudy]

Madden 25 Achievement List: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/madden-nfl-25/achievements/

Tons of MUT stuff. I really wish they would add achievements for lengthy franchise mode (online or off) like win 20 games, rush for 50 TDs, throw for 50 TDs, etc. Someone on OS said they don't even have a trophy for winning the Superbowl.

We do know there is a skills trainer (can't remember if that had been shown yet) and it's probably very similar to NCAA. There is a no huddle trophy. Not sure if the Madden no huddle is like NCAA or not though (I think it's still the same as last year but wish it was like NCAA).

[Rudy]

Another community day for Madden tomorrow. Hopefully we get some good impressions and comparisons to NCAA 14. The game should be close to finished. @shopmaster will be there.

Edit: madsci and Simballcritic will also be there

[GatorfanStovy]

Your still playing Madden 13 demo Rudy ? Why?

Any ways the teams I was asking about was for the up coming demo this year of course.

[Rudy]

Your still playing Madden 13 demo Rudy ? Why?

Any ways the teams I was asking about was for the up coming demo this year of course.

I started playing it a bit to compare it to the NCAA 14 demo. I traded Madden 13 in a few months ago for $30. It was a good deal so I took it. After 6+ months of football gaming I usually get burnt out on it or tire of the problems with the game. It also helps keep me fresh and wanting to play the new version when it comes out. I normally play a baseball game from March until I get my first football game but I got tired of the Show and haven't really done that. I have enjoyed Tomb Raider and The Last of Us along with some games with my kids this year.

[countryboy]

Another community day for Madden tomorrow. Hopefully we get some good impressions and comparisons to NCAA 14. The game should be close to finished. @shopmaster will be there.

Edit: madsci and Simballcritic will also be there

can't wait to read about their experiences. Hopefully we'll get some new videos as well.

[countryboy]

Madden 25 Achievement List: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/madden-nfl-25/achievements/

Tons of MUT stuff. I really wish they would add achievements for lengthy franchise mode (online or off) like win 20 games, rush for 50 TDs, throw for 50 TDs, etc. Someone on OS said they don't even have a trophy for winning the Superbowl.

We do know there is a skills trainer (can't remember if that had been shown yet) and it's probably very similar to NCAA. There is a no huddle trophy. Not sure if the Madden no huddle is like NCAA or not though (I think it's still the same as last year but wish it was like NCAA).

Agree about wishing there was more content for those of us who play multiple franchise modes. I won't be obtaining many of these achievements/trophies as I don't play online and have very little interest in MUT.

[Rudy]

can't wait to read about their experiences. Hopefully we'll get some new videos as well.

It sounds like there may be a heavy NDA on this one. Shop wasn't sure what he would be able to say. Hopefully we'll get some good info.

[countryboy]

It sounds like there may be a heavy NDA on this one. Shop wasn't sure what he would be able to say. Hopefully we'll get some good info.

I wouldn't be surprised it there was since its within a month of release.

[jaymo76]

It sounds like there may be a heavy NDA on this one. Shop wasn't sure what he would be able to say. Hopefully we'll get some good info.

I just don't get Ea's marketing at all this year. NCAA info barely flowed at all and there has been very minimal buzz about Madden thus far. If you're proud of your product, let the people talk about it.

[Rudy]

Looks like no impressions from community day due to heavy NDA. The demo event they had in NY (for reporters last week) featured two matchups: Seattle vs. GB and SF vs. BAL. I wonder if that will be the demo for everyone in August?

JPDavis on Twitter and OS is just a hound for Madden info. He posts a lot of info on the forums but just hounds people for information. At least 3 EA Devs have blocked him and he's desperately trying to change that. He openly wants to be a Game Changer but I don't think he realizes that asking the same questions every 2 hours just annoys people. If you don't get an answer then it's probably for a reason. Just stop already. Seems like a nice guy and I follow him for Madden info because he's on every piece of info out there like white on rice. But he's too obsessive over Madden and the Game Changer program. It can be comical reading him whine over trying to be a GC.

[CLW]

Looks like no impressions from community day due to heavy NDA. The demo event they had in NY (for reporters last week) featured two matchups: Seattle vs. GB and SF vs. BAL. I wonder if that will be the demo for everyone in August?

JPDavis on Twitter and OS is just a hound for Madden info. He posts a lot of info on the forums but just hounds people for information. At least 3 EA Devs have blocked him and he's desperately trying to change that. He openly wants to be a Game Changer but I don't think he realizes that asking the same questions every 2 hours just annoys people. If you don't get an answer then it's probably for a reason. Just stop already. Seems like a nice guy and I follow him for Madden info because he's on every piece of info out there like white on rice. But he's too obsessive over Madden and the Game Changer program. It can be comical reading him whine over trying to be a GC.

LMAO yeah if you are getting blocked by EA employees on Twitter you have 0% chance of ever becoming anything associated with EA.

[Rudy]

LMAO yeah if you are getting blocked by EA employees on Twitter you have 0% chance of ever becoming anything associated with EA.

I know but he was begging Shop to help him get unblocked lol.

[jaymo76]

I would love to see GB and Seattle in a demo matchup. The SF/Baltimore game would be good too. I am very interested to see if the read option is too overpowered in Madden like it is in NCAA.

[WolverineJay]

I am patiently waiting for the release of the Madden 25 demo. I haven't put much thought into the teams but it usually contains the previous Super Bowl champions. I will say 2 match-ups San Francisco vs. Atlanta and Denver vs. Baltimore. I would think they would want to show off the "Run Free" aspect and the precision modifier.

[jaymo76]

It would be great if our site had some input for Madden. The NCAA devs seem to really appreciate the insight from members of TGT. IU know Madden isn't huge on this forum as not a lot of people here play it, but I have been playing Madden a long time and after all of the patches last year, Madden 13 was a very, very good game. I suspect Madden 25 will be even more polished.

[skipwondah33]

It would be great if our site had some input for Madden. The NCAA devs seem to really appreciate the insight from members of TGT. IU know Madden isn't huge on this forum as not a lot of people here play it, but I have been playing Madden a long time and after all of the patches last year, Madden 13 was a very, very good game. I suspect Madden 25 will be even more polished.I really play Madden and have been for years.

I thought JB and the guys did have some input at one point since those bastards get the game early :D. But think he told me a while ago that they didn't.

I'd love to contribute input if possible here. Rather not go to any other sites to try to do so really.

[Rudy]

I have no idea if EA reads our Madden thoughts here or if they make a difference. I would be curious to know.

Part of the problem IMO is that the Madden community is completely fractured. You've got Madden game changers like Shop with his own site, Madsci has hardcore gamers, Under the Code is formed, YouTube guys, OS although EA seems to avoid those Madden forums now. That's one good thing about this site - many NCAA game changers are here and the forum traffic and discussion is a good amount (not too light and not flooded with ignorant or redundant posts). All of those smaller Madden sites compete with each other and the traffic and forum discussion ends up early low and they struggle. I miss the old days (I think) of Madden Planet and Madden Mania where there was a large core group dedicated to Madden specifically.

[Rudy]

Joe Flacco is now clutch. The only change in this area.

http://underthecode.com/utcforums/index.php?threads/joe-flacco-is-the-only-new-clutch-player-in-madden-25.1040/#post-4711

[jaymo76]

Joe Flacco is now clutch. The only change in this area.

http://underthecode.com/utcforums/index.php?threads/joe-flacco-is-the-only-new-clutch-player-in-madden-25.1040/#post-4711

I think it's time to take Champ Bailey off the list. I'm a huge fan but time has caught up with him IMO. Tebow is still clutch???

[jaymo76]

I have no idea if EA reads our Madden thoughts here or if they make a difference. I would be curious to know.

Part of the problem IMO is that the Madden community is completely fractured. You've got Madden game changers like Shop with his own site, Madsci has hardcore gamers, Under the Code is formed, YouTube guys, OS although EA seems to avoid those Madden forums now. That's one good thing about this site - many NCAA game changers are here and the forum traffic and discussion is a good amount (not too light and not flooded with ignorant or redundant posts). All of those smaller Madden sites compete with each other and the traffic and forum discussion ends up early low and they struggle. I miss the old days (I think) of Madden Planet and Madden Mania where there was a large core group dedicated to Madden specifically.

Alright Rudy, you lead the charge to get us all as Madden gamechangers.... just don't follow the method of jpdavis :D

[Rudy]

Who really wants to be a Madden Game Changer from this site? I would like to experience it for at least one day but I don't want to spend my vacation time at EA instead of my family. We're going to Disney World at the end of October btw. :) I definitely don't want the full time job - and yes it does seem like a job for these guys.

As for the clutch guys I agree. The list needs more updating.

FULL LIST (I will bold the guys I think could be removed and I agree with Champ's removal after that last playoff game).
CB Darrelle Revis (TB)
CB Champ Bailey (DEN)
FS Eric Weddle (SD)
FS Ed Reed (HOU)
FS Charles Woodson (OAK)
HB Marshawn Lynch (SEA)
HB Ray Rice (BAL)
HB Frank Gore (SF)
HB Maurice Jones-Drew (JAX)
K Rob Bironas (TEN)
K Adam Vinatieri (IND)
K Matt Prater (DEN)
LT Joe Thomas (CLE)
MLB Patrick Willis (SF)
MLB Derrick Johnson (KC)
QB Aaron Rodgers (GB)
QB Tom Brady (NE)
QB Peyton Manning (DEN)
QB Drew Brees (NO)
QB Joe Flacco (BAL)
QB Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)
QB Eli Manning (NYG)
QB Tim Tebow (NE)
RE Justin Smith (SF)
RE DeMarcus Ware (DAL)
RE Jared Allen (MIN)
ROLB Clay Matthews (GB)
SS Troy Polamalu (PIT) - the guy hasn't been healthy and dominant in awhile
TE Jimmy Graham (NO)
TE Antonio Gates (SD)
WR Calvin Johnson Jr. (DET)
WR Andre Johnson (HOU)
WR Larry Fitzgerald (ARI)
WR Steve Smith (CAR)
WR Anquan Boldin (SF)
WR Santonio Holmes (NYJ)
WR Mario Manningham (SF)

[Rudy]

Who should we add to this list?

[jaymo76]

I know he's older and it's his last season but I have always been a HUGE Tony Gonzalez fan. The guy is clutch IMO.

[WolverineJay]

Who should we add to this list?
I think AJ Green, Matt Ryan, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Adrian Peterson, and JJ Watt should all be on the list.

I don't think the only criteria should be clutch performances in playoff games. I would say clutch players almost always step up in crunch-time or make a big play when it is needed by their team. Nobody comes through 100% of the time, but clutch players just seem to make far more plays when it counts than the rest of the guys.

[GatorfanStovy]

tebow tebow! NeedI say more ...

[Rudy]

I think AJ Green, Matt Ryan, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Wayne, Adrian Peterson, and JJ Watt should all be on the list.

I don't think the only criteria should be clutch performances in playoff games. I would say clutch players almost always step up in crunch-time or make a big play when it is needed by their team. Nobody comes through 100% of the time, but clutch players just seem to make far more plays when it counts than the rest of the guys.

I would argue clutch means playing better than you usually do when it really counts. It doesn't have to be great players either.

I would argue against Matt Ryan. He did not play well in the playoffs or crunch time until last year. I know they call him Matty Ice but I need to see him win big games a little more often. Quite frankly I forgot to bold Peyton Manning above. He's a great player but I don't think he's clutch. His brother Eli is as his play elevates in crunch time. Peyton has been one and done 8 times in the playoffs! He certainly wasn't clutch in last year's playoff game. He's a great player. Maybe the best QB of all time but his play does NOT go up in big games, it usually goes down.

[countryboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPjSDJsL6FM

Did Madden finally work on penalites? Illegal touching was called in this video. (video quality is terrible)

[Rudy]

A couple Madden preview videos courtesy of Evil Source Gaming. The first video is all about Creating a Player (single player mode) in Franchise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62yGQi5B0YA

Gameplay within Create a Player Franchise mode. You do get gameplay vids in this one. He's a QB so it's LOTS of passing. The second game you see him run the read-option. He must have it on a very easy setting as he made the wrong read one time and still ran over a defensive player. He actually makes the wrong read quite a bit it seems.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrPzP9uhXcY

[GatorfanStovy]

game play looks the same exept for more read option plays and cut back motions. meh.

X or RB was way way wide open at the 7:45 mark ha .

[jaymo76]

First thoughts from the videos:

1. As I expected it pretty much looks like Madden 13 sprinkled with NCAA 14
2. Commentay is soooooo much better in Madden vs NCAA
3. Visuals are so much better in Madden vs NCAA

I know this guy was playing on the lowest level but I do have some concerns that defense will be soft in Madden as well.

[jaymo76]

Apparently those videos are from the retail copy of the game. What you see there is what you will be getting in late August. I guess the team is full on working on MADDEN 25 FOR ps4/XB1.

EDIT: it has since been confirmed that is NOT retail.

[jaymo76]

Pasta Padre is reporting that Madden MAY be able to transfer from PS3 to PS4 . More news is expected to be released in August.

[Rudy]

A future Miami Dolphin!

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Carterfootballequipment2.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/rudyjuly2/media/Carterfootballequipment2.jpg.html)

That's my son Carter after picking up his pads on Saturday. His practices will probably start soon. It's his first year playing and he'll be very green. Just wanted to post it here. :)

[jaymo76]

Thanks for sharing Rudy. That's awesome. I wish your son the best of luck. I was lucky that when I played football as a kid I was "drafted" by my community team which just so happened to be called the Raiders. I would love to put my boys in football but the wife is opposed... it guess it will be soccer and baseball.

[Rudy]

We have to drive almost 45 minutes each way to practice and games so we will see how he likes it. We signed him up in a smaller league for a number of reasons but he's also in a 3 year grouping (due to smaller size of league) and is the youngest year so I hope he doesn't get pushed around too much.

[jaymo76]

We have to drive almost 45 minutes each way to practice and games so we will see how he likes it. We signed him up in a smaller league for a number of reasons but he's also in a 3 year grouping (due to smaller size of league) and is the youngest year so I hope he doesn't get pushed around too much.

Yeah I was in the two year groupings BUT in that first year I took a real beating. It surprising how much one year makes. I found though that the practices were worse than the games. One of my coaches was far too intense (he was eventually removed from coaching...). The first 20 mins of each practice was hit and take a hit. I was only 10 at the time but after each practice my arms/shoulders were black and blue. The next day at school I would have difficulty lifting my pen. But another year I had a coach who was awesome and just wanted us to have fun and develop as players. The coach makes a huge difference on the love of the sport IMO.

[Rudy]

This league is all about fun and giving kids a chance to play. That's why he's in it and not the main Windsor league. The other league had 7 year olds practicing 5 times a week plus a game in the playoffs. They also only had 6 snap minimums for playing time so some kids barely played. This league broke away (only it's second year now) because the convenor had coached in that league for 5 years and had grown tired of the way kids were treated and how the emphasis was all about winning for young kids. They have rules forcing more balanced playing time and practice limits. Kids don't go more than 3 times a week total and that includes games at his age level.

I only played two years in high school. Never played as a kid growing up. Totally different ball game.

[bdoughty]

Cool picture but please tell me that is not the helmet he will be playing with? That thing will get knocked into the stands the first time he hits someone.

[Rudy]

Cool picture but please tell me that is not the helmet he will be playing with? That thing will get knocked into the stands the first time he hits someone.

It is his helmet. It actually fits pretty snug. We'll see lol.

[Rudy]

Back to Madden news, Shop and Madsci will be releasing a lot of info this week. New video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJY34Se0xU&feature=youtu.be

[Rudy]

Shop with an article on the new menu system. Nothing terribly exciting here although the camera options are Standard, Zoom, Broadcast and Legacy. I guess Wide is gone for Legacy which I'm guessing is M13's default camera? Shop didn't know.

http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/07/29/madden-25-improved-menu-system/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34E6Mc3jisk&feature=youtu.be&a

[jaymo76]

The pre-game seems pretty decent. I like the new sideline reporter bit. I'm not sure how detailed it will be during the season but I look forward to finding out. I love how Madden does the starting lineups. I really wish NCAA would add that type of detail. Commentary sounds similar to last year but somewhat enhanced.

Gameplay looks similar to NCAA. I am willing to bet that defense will be very soft this year, much like NCAA. Just based on the gameplay videos we have seen, the D has NOT stood out.

[skipwondah33]

I'm not that observant to be able to judge how the Defense is going to play from these videos. Usually they are watered down on the easiest settings just trying to show things.

I'll have to see from Season Pass how it will play. Even the demo won't tell me because playing against the CPU is almost pointless. Everything they do seemingly works lol

[Rudy]

They added an All-Madden team playable in Play Now only. Virtual Madden is on the sidelines.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRxnjI5Hew&feature=youtu.be

As for defense, I will reserve judgment until I see gameplay on All-Pro or All-Madden. I think Madden did a better job of balancing the passing game last year. In years past I always relied on my TE and slot WR far too much and my outside WRs didn't get enough balls. That wasn't the case in M13 but did seem the case in the NCAA 14 demo.

[WolverineJay]

Back to Madden news, Shop and Madsci will be releasing a lot of info this week. New video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbJY34Se0xU&feature=youtu.be

LMAO a pre-season game in Antarctica (-5 F) in August. Great attention to detail EA Tiburon, not.

The gameplay looks similar to NCAA 14 which I didn't really care for in the demo. I know Madden will be more polished and it has the precision modifier for RB moves, but the way the game plays in these videos has me slightly concerned. I have the game pre-ordered for like $46 off ebay so I am already committed to the game. I am just mildly concerned with what I'm seeing in these videos but difficulty settings are probably weak.

[jaymo76]

I'm not that observant to be able to judge how the Defense is going to play from these videos. Usually they are watered down on the easiest settings just trying to show things.

I'll have to see from Season Pass how it will play. Even the demo won't tell me because playing against the CPU is almost pointless. Everything they do seemingly works lol


They added an All-Madden team playable in Play Now only. Virtual Madden is on the sidelines.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbRxnjI5Hew&feature=youtu.be

As for defense, I will reserve judgment until I see gameplay on All-Pro or All-Madden. I think Madden did a better job of balancing the passing game last year. In years past I always relied on my TE and slot WR far too much and my outside WRs didn't get enough balls. That wasn't the case in M13 but did seem the case in the NCAA 14 demo.

The only reason I am critical of the D is simply because it looks pretty much like what I have been playing everyday against the cpu with NCAA 14. I expect Madden's d to be tighter as Madden 13's D was much better than NCAA 13. However, this seems to be the year of offense... run free is way overpowered in NCAA and zone D is non-existent. I have not seen anything video footage wise that makes me think Madden will be lightyears better. I hope I am wrong but we will not find out until season ticket.

[skipwondah33]

Definitely think the focus is on the RB and run game this version

Even though I think the run game has been fairly solid for the past 2 versions if you could run.

My only hope in regards to the Defense is I hope the Offense doesn't have the ability to "create" routes with total control passing like this past version

It was nothing to turn a Streak into a modified Post or Corner Post. Or a Corner Post into an Out route, etc

The run game was already kind of hype because Physics would have your guys falling or getting chipped, or some of the terrible angles taken at times.

If that is cleaned up then I definitely like the odds of Defense being up to par with Offense. I didn't have much trouble with Defense this past version even with the things I mentioned above. Then again I always play with teams who are stronger on Defense anyway.

[Rudy]

My only hope in regards to the Defense is I hope the Offense doesn't have the ability to "create" routes with total control passing like this past version

It was nothing to turn a Streak into a modified Post or Corner Post. Or a Corner Post into an Out route, etc

.

Total control passing has been toned down this year.

[Rudy]

There are videos on owner mode and relocation process.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYenDNL04QM&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJYenDNL04QM%26feature%2 53++Dyoutu.be&nomobile=1

Relocate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg4qbgZ-5wQ&nomobile=1

[jaymo76]

Interesting to see that cpu teams will have the option of relocation as well. I look forward to seeing what happens.

[jaymo76]

Have to admit that watching the relocation video made me pretty excited. I will move one team just t experience it (test dynasty of course).

[WolverineJay]

Have to admit that watching the relocation video made me pretty excited. I will move one team just t experience it (test dynasty of course).

Yeah, I may dabble with it as well with a test Franchise using certain criteria to decide which teams will be relocating.

I did notice that no scouting points were given week 1 of the regular season, but each week after that the Jags got 3210 SP so that's around 51,000 total from the regular season (same as last year after the scouting upgrade). I wish they gave us the option to auto scout just have us put in the criteria (pick certain attributes for each position to be scouted and select which rounds we want to scout per position). Then at the scouting combine we automatically get all the Players speed grade, agility grade, jumping grade, and strength grade unless you already scouted that prior then you would unlock the + or - grade.

Last but certainly not least it sure seems the disconnected franchise feel is back in Madden 25 with everything being done from the Action portion of the UI. I want the old League Schedule look of Madden 12 with all the week's match-ups, scores, and box scores to be the main screen. I hate that it feels like my team is the only team that exists in a 32 team league. I shouldn't have to go hunting to keep up with which teams are hot and cold especially during the playoff race.

[jaymo76]

Yeah, I may dabble with it as well with a test Franchise using certain criteria to decide which teams will be relocating.

I did notice that no scouting points were given week 1 of the regular season, but each week after that the Jags got 3210 SP so that's around 51,000 total from the regular season (same as last year after the scouting upgrade). I wish they gave us the option to auto scout just have us put in the criteria (pick certain attributes for each position to be scouted and select which rounds we want to scout per position). Then at the scouting combine we automatically get all the Players speed grade, agility grade, jumping grade, and strength grade unless you already scouted that prior then you would unlock the + or - grade.

Last but certainly not least it sure seems the disconnected franchise feel is back in Madden 25 with everything being done from the Action portion of the UI. I want the old League Schedule look of Madden 12 with all the week's match-ups, scores, and box scores to be the main screen. I hate that it feels like my team is the only team that exists in a 32 team league. I shouldn't have to go hunting to keep up with which teams are hot and cold especially during the playoff race.

Your last paragraph has been one of the biggest issues with Madden since 05 on ps2. I hate the isloated feeling of franchise mode. I was a huge fan of the Extra Point because it tried to fix that but now there is nothing. You play your game, you scout but you don't feel any connection to what is going on around you.

Last year I NEVER got to see any of the "great" players who were drafted because I didn't play those teams. A huge thing for me would be allowing us to play any game on the schedule like you could do in every madden game before last year. Tiburon just does not excel at this area of the game.

[Rudy]

I don't know why they scrapped the extra point. They need to bring that back with fake video highlights ala 2K5.

[Rudy]

Skills trainer is the same as NCAA but they have a precision modifier section. This video looks week. Other than timing the L2 button I don't see the big deal about this thing at all other than I'm assuming you need to be rated 90+ in a category to have it be a super move. The one thing I will say is the super juke is sweet and can be seen at 1:30. I love that the r-stick juke is great there. Something that seemed to be completely missing from the NCAA 14 demo (nowhere near as effective imo). If you disagree with that statement please link a vid since I thought the r-stick juke sucked, even with the Oregon back.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J_jzXnjbXY

[Rudy]

Shop just tweeted this:
"New Madden 25 Gameplay video coming at today 9:30am est. Philly vs. Washington. Complete Game, no voice overs. Uploading now...."

(I am spending the day with the family at the zoo so will have to check it out much later.)

[skipwondah33]

Cool will have to check it out here soon.

[gschwendt]

via Shopmaster


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZRopxyJVk&feature=youtu.be&a

[jaymo76]

Thanks for posting the vid. NCAA 14 with NFL teams at the most basic level. The gameplay looks very, very similar. Man D seemed decent but those zones looked like swiss cheese. Looks like the read option was toned down a little bit which is a good thing. Still some wonky physics but they have been improving. I really liked the intro but halftime and postgame are just such a letdown... again.

Visually the game continues to be stunning. I find the player models and stadiums look so much better than NCAA. Sound was decent but the commentary is NOT leaps and bounds better. Also MORE stat overlays are needed (use the NCAA 14 ones!!!).

Okay... let's bring on the demo! p.s. Rudy, let's hope it will be available in Canada...:fp:

[ram29jackson]

its still madden, its still a game. I may not get it till October though.

[Rudy]

Okay... let's bring on the demo! p.s. Rudy, let's hope it will be available in Canada...:fp:

I've got a Canadian AND US account after the NCAA fiasco so I'll be good no matter what happens. I doubt they would piss on Canadians for Madden. I'll check out the video later but I really want the demo. The thing that sucks is that the early rumour was that it will be out in two weeks on August 13th and I'm scheduled to be in Toronto for work most of that week.

[Rudy]

Finally watched the Madden game between Shop’s Redskins and the cpu Eagles.

Presentation comments – I think I will be skipping the team intros very quickly. Not a bad idea but I didn’t care for them. I thought last year’s commentary of Simms and Nantz was a huge improvement even if they weren’t always smart. I heard some new stuff but the smart hasn’t been elevated much. Last year Nantz was obsessed about first downs. This year he’s obsessed about who is playing in the slot. I really enjoyed Simms last year but his commentary lacks good specifics and this hasn’t been improved either. His commentary on plays like the read-option act as though it was just a basic running play. Why not have read-option specific commentary? Same goes for screen passes. He needs to be more specific but the commentary isn’t there.

Half time show is a little improved after the downgrade of last year. At least we get highlights of our game mixed in but it’s not better than Madden 12 and has no commentary. Post game also unimproved.

Some things I liked: Cpu Vick waited and found Maclin for a TD at the back of the end zone. He used good sideline awareness to stay in bounds. Same for Shop’s Fred Davis on a sideline catch. I still want to see receivers be more aware and slow their route down if they are heading out of bounds. Not sure on that. The tough catch and hit Shop’s WR took with one minute to go was cool. He threw it into double coverage and the WR made a super tough catch and got spun. A cool play.

The cpu seemed to play smarter. I saw them disguise a coverage on 3rd and 3 as the LCB came up as if to bump only to back off and play zone at the snap (27:35). At least they weren’t falling off every WR to allow an easy short completion which happened too often in M13. Cpu McCoy on a screen play makes a beautiful spin and then hurdle. They use their moves and read the plays well (29:55). The read-option by Shop was not overpowered. He wasn’t able to generate an unrealistic amount of yards. I do like watching the movement the OL gets on running plays including double team blocks.

Things I didn’t like: cpu Vick trucking a free LB at 8:30. This play was ridiculous and defies all logic and physics. A free LB outweighing Vick by close to 50 pounds and moving at near full speed gets trucked by tiny Vick who had little momentum? What the heck? The only really stupid moment I saw but it was terrible. Vick did throw a late pick on a deeper pass. Shop made a nice play but the cpu quarterback needs to lead their WRs on deep plays more downfield. That way it’s either a completion or maybe incomplete. Too often they under throw those routes and it leads to picks. I thought Philly called too many read-option plays on their first drive but didn’t seem to be a problem later on.

Overall it looks like an improvement on M13 with owner mode being the big addition.

[jaymo76]

An interesting clip (warning very fast...)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pm7ZI1uBAgo

[jaymo76]

here's another one.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1kLVhIknM8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtuKVZ8J_E2N9BqswnBTdjg

[WolverineJay]

Finally watched the Madden game between Shop’s Redskins and the cpu Eagles.

Things I didn’t like: cpu Vick trucking a free LB at 8:30. This play was ridiculous and defies all logic and physics. A free LB outweighing Vick by close to 50 pounds and moving at near full speed gets trucked by tiny Vick who had little momentum? What the heck? The only really stupid moment I saw but it was terrible. Vick did throw a late pick on a deeper pass. Shop made a nice play but the cpu quarterback needs to lead their WRs on deep plays more downfield. That way it’s either a completion or maybe incomplete. Too often they under throw those routes and it leads to picks. I thought Philly called too many read-option plays on their first drive but didn’t seem to be a problem later on.

Overall it looks like an improvement on M13 with owner mode being the big addition.

Yeah that over the top arcade type of canned animation has only one result, compete bs. I mean why do these types of animations even get put into the game because they are never done with any thought to the match-up or situation. Never is exactly how many times a skinny QB like Vick will truck a big LB like Kerrigan. I mean Kerrigan had a full head of steam instead the animation plays out regardless taking you completely out of the illusion that it is suppose to be simulating. The reverse should of played out for Kerrigan against Vick that would have been a bit more realistic yet still over the top WWE crap. These animations have no part in PS4 games, but I'm sure it will be business as usual with boatloads of canned animations playing out repeatedly game after game.

[Rudy]

The Barry Sanders Jr video had a couple nice TD celebrations. I liked the Giants unis as well but on that last punt return for TD the punter gets blocked in the back something huge. Penalty!!

[Rudy]

Someone tweeted that the Strategy Pad has been removed from Madden. I didn't like it or use it but why remove an option that some people may have liked (if true)?

[countryboy]

Someone tweeted that the Strategy Pad has been removed from Madden. I didn't like it or use it but why remove an option that some people may have liked (if true)?

I recall seeing in videos though

:confused:

[Rudy]

I recall seeing in videos though

:confused:

It was a YouTube "expert". He must have been wrong then.

[skipwondah33]

Yeah the videos I have seen looks like it was in there as well

You still likely have the option to turn it off or use the links

[Rudy]

Another video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SE9MhQEEX9o&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSE9MhQEEX9o%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be

[jaymo76]

Another video

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SE9MhQEEX9o&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSE9MhQEEX9o%26feature%3 Dyoutu.be

I see player of the game looks to be screwed up again. QB easily rushed for 120+ yards yet a CB with three tackles is player of the game...???

[skipwondah33]

I wish they would get some serious videos up and not these created players on Rookie setting type ones.

[jaymo76]

I wish they would get some serious videos up and not these created players on Rookie setting type ones.

Fully agree Skip.

[skipwondah33]

I'd also love to get some team and player ratings released

Instead of this All 25 stuff.

Every year I looked forward to ESPN's Jon Robinson highlighting rosters and team ratings this time of a year.

I know none of the rosters are finalized right now but damn, not sure why they went away with that if Prima isn't going to release anything like it.

[Rudy]

I'd also love to get some team and player ratings released

Instead of this All 25 stuff.

Every year I looked forward to ESPN's Jon Robinson highlighting rosters and team ratings this time of a year.

I know none of the rosters are finalized right now but damn, not sure why they went away with that if Prima isn't going to release anything like it.

I agree. Last year they released a spreadsheet with everyone's ratings. I'd love to see that again. As for Jon Robinson, ESPN got rid of their video game division. They got rid of him unfortunately.

[skipwondah33]

Damn didn't know that I thought it was EA choosing not to do it anymore.

Know i've read a few of his articles just a few months ago

Still surely Prima or EA could release something similar.

[countryboy]

I know I may be setting myself up for disappointment, but I can't help but be excited for this year's Madden.

IMO, for the first time on this generation, this year's game appears to be a build off of last year's installment. Far too often throughout the life cycle of this generation, Madden has seemed to be "reinventing" itself with each release. Madden 25 feels like and seems like its a build off of last year's game with new additions that people have actually been asking for (looking at you Owner's Mode)

I know the game isn't going to be perfect, nor is it going to have everything we all want. But damn, color me excited. :))

[jaymo76]

I know I may be setting myself up for disappointment, but I can't help but be excited for this year's Madden.

IMO, for the first time on this generation, this year's game appears to be a build off of last year's installment. Far too often throughout the life cycle of this generation, Madden has seemed to be "reinventing" itself with each release. Madden 25 feels like and seems like its a build off of last year's game with new additions that people have actually been asking for (looking at you Owner's Mode)

I know the game isn't going to be perfect, nor is it going to have everything we all want. But damn, color me excited. :))

I am going into it with no major expectations. Madden 13 was very solid and owner mode + a ton of fixes since last year should make for a robust offering. However, more than anything I am excited to see what else Madden is getting with regards to the PS4. I suspect we won't see any info on that thought until AFTER the PS3 launch of Madden as they will not want to undercut their sales.

[Rudy]

I'm excited for M25. I too expect it to build off of M13. I just hope for no setbacks in any area.

As for the PS4, I'm not excited about it and I never even really think about it. The graphic improvements do almost nothing for me. I find the graphics on Madden to be really good on the PS3. The gameplay camera angle is zoomed out so the only time you really see the improvement on a PS4 is in the instant replays and not while you actually play. For next gen to blow me away I need to see a ton of new animations and much smarter cpu AI. The gameplay has to take a significant leap forward and I'm not holding my breath on that. EA has a really dismal track record on the first game on the new consoles. I will give it serious consideration next summer but there is no chance I get a PS4 this year.

[Rudy]

New video I believe:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8sBxMnEKk&feature=youtu.be&a

[jaymo76]

Good video... but... please ... remove... that... terrible... commentary!!! Nantz: "it's been a game, we'll always remember." I heard that almost every games in 13.

[Rudy]

"Avant in the slot!" :fp: I've heard the slot references too much already.

I thought last year was a great year of commenting in Madden. Nantz and Simms were the best duo they have ever had and the fact they recorded things together made it sound good. I was willing to forgive some things as it was the first year. But it doesn't sound like they improved that much. They need to say a lot more real names too. MLB 2K Baseball had great announcing and a 3 man booth. Kruk is filled with stories about 1/3 of the starters in the league. Gary Thorne said they put in 70 hours one year of audio recording and that was on a follow up year! Not the first year. I don't think Simms and Nantz put enough time in.

Simms needs a lot more specific commentary. Comments specifically about read-option plays, screen plays, passes downfield, etc. His comments on the passing game were off a lot last year. Every run that only nets 1 or 2 yards isn't the same either. Hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised. It will still be light years better than Kirk Herbstreit who should have been replaced years ago on NCAA.

[jaymo76]

"Avant in the slot!" :fp: I've heard the slot references too much already.

I thought last year was a great year of commenting in Madden. Nantz and Simms were the best duo they have ever had and the fact they recorded things together made it sound good. I was willing to forgive some things as it was the first year. But it doesn't sound like they improved that much. They need to say a lot more real names too. MLB 2K Baseball had great announcing and a 3 man booth. Kruk is filled with stories about 1/3 of the starters in the league. Gary Thorne said they put in 70 hours one year of audio recording and that was on a follow up year! Not the first year. I don't think Simms and Nantz put enough time in.

Simms needs a lot more specific commentary. Comments specifically about read-option plays, screen plays, passes downfield, etc. His comments on the passing game were off a lot last year. Every run that only nets 1 or 2 yards isn't the same either. Hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised. It will still be light years better than Kirk Herbstreit who should have been replaced years ago on NCAA.

Rudy, I would bet that dollars to donuts the commentary is vastly improved... for PS4. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that there were big commentary improvements for next gen madden. I agree with you totally about Simms and Nantz. Last year I thought they were a breath of fresh air but thus far this year I am very underwhelmed. It seems like the new sideline reported is the biggest change to commentary.

[Rudy]

And that sideline reporter's voice isn't that nice imo. It's a touch rough and I had never heard of her before M25.

[Rudy]

Doesn't look like the Madden demo this week but August 13th was leaked awhile ago and is probably going to happen. Of course I'm in Toronto for work and won't be back until Thursday night. :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_Q7dz7pHA&feature=youtu.be

[jaymo76]

Doesn't look like the Madden demo this week but August 13th was leaked awhile ago and is probably going to happen. Of course I'm in Toronto for work and won't be back until Thursday night. :(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF_Q7dz7pHA&feature=youtu.be

11 rushes for 180 yards... good to see the game changers showing off low level difficulty again...:fp:

As for the demo I wasn't expecting it until at least next week so no big loss.

[jaymo76]

c/o pastapadre


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZVIi0hc0ZyI

[jaymo76]

41 mins of gameplay. (also on pasta's site)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Svdzmjljrug#at=283

[jaymo76]

c/o pastapadre


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZVIi0hc0ZyI

I really like this video as it shows a number of things we have not yet seen with regards to owner mode. Good clip!

[gschwendt]

364880194131066880

[I OU a Beatn]

For the first time in years I'm going to have to look at some new play books. I'm sure Philadelphia's with Chip Kelly will be a favorite, same with Washington and San Francisco. I'll probably still end up rolling with New England's book, but at least now I might have some other options.

[gschwendt]

Looks like you have to authorize Prima to be able to see your Facebook profile in order to view the playbooks...

[jaymo76]

Looks like you have to authorize Prima to be able to see your Facebook profile in order to view the playbooks...

Apparently there are certificate credential issues and I am advised not to download. Anyone else have this issue?

[jaymo76]

Madden demo drops on August 13th. Here is the EA link. Demo matchup were what was hinted at a few weeks back.

http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/madden-25-release-date?sf15729678=1

[WolverineJay]

Yeah you nailed that jaymo. I figured the 49ers and Ravens for sure, but was holding out hope for an unusual selection like Atlanta(my pre-season pick for the Super Bowl). I think I will utilize the skills trainer 1st to help get a feel for the Precision Modifier and the Option to check if it is as over-powered as it looks in earlier videos. I recently started messing around with Carolina in M13 and the option is a little to easy at times even against 100 Run Awareness and 100 Block Shed. I fear the option will be darn near unstoppable therefore boring as hell to use in M25 much like NCAA.

[Rudy]

Apparently there are certificate credential issues and I am advised not to download. Anyone else have this issue?

Same issue. Not viewing them as a result.

Good news on the demo.

[GatorfanStovy]

Awesomeness that sf is getting in on another demo! It's too bad we could swap match up's around like let's say SF VS GB or Balt VS sea or SF vs Sea or Balt vs GB etc. that would be cool. DO it EA!

[jaymo76]

Same issue. Not viewing them as a result.

Good news on the demo.

Plus I don't like how using facebook means you hand all of your contact and friends contact information over to them. I just don't like to do that kind of stuff.

[Rudy]

Plus I don't like how using facebook means you hand all of your contact and friends contact information over to them. I just don't like to do that kind of stuff.

I'm not even on Facebook. It's my wife's account and I am not doing that junk either. Hello Prima guide spam!

[jaymo76]

Oh by the way Rudy, not really for this thread but I forgot to ask... what did you think of your Fins performance at the HOF Game vs Dallas??? It's only game 1 of pre-season but the offense may have some difficulties early in the season IMO. Plus the unis... not as bad as I thought after seeing them in action.

[Rudy]

Oh by the way Rudy, not really for this thread but I forgot to ask... what did you think of your Fins performance at the HOF Game vs Dallas??? It's only game 1 of pre-season but the offense may have some difficulties early in the season IMO. Plus the unis... not as bad as I thought after seeing them in action.

The Dolphin uniforms are a bit too baby blue for me. It's a very streamlined modern look that I do like but I would have preferred throwbacks. It's going to take me some time to get used to. I do like the helmets. I think the all-white look will be nice.

As for their performance in the HOF game it wasn't very good. But it's the first one of five and the starters didn't play long. The two biggest questions for this year were 1) Can Tannehill improve significantly and 2) Can Jonathon Martin play LT?. The jury is out on both although Martin has looked bad. Tannehill's biggest problem is his accuracy. His ball placement just isn't good enough at times. QB and LT are two huge positions in the NFL. I expect their defense to be dominant though.

My preview:

This team should be much better this year. They have upgraded in quite a few areas over last year’s 7-9 team with very few downgrades. The one thing that will be more challenging is the schedule. The Dolphins face the Colts, Falcons, Saints and Ravens in games two through five. For a young team that is a tough stretch. If they can come out of that at least 2-2 this team will win at least 9 games and I’m personally hoping for 10 or more. The AFC East is weak. The Bills and Jets don’t look good and the Patriots have lost Welker and Hernandez. I know Tom Brady is amazing but he is getting older and he can only do so much. I look for Miami to finish second in the division and get a playoff spot.

OFFENCE

The passing attack should be a LOT better this year and look for the team to be more aggressive on offence. They added Mike Wallace, Brandon Gibson and Dustin Keller to the attack. Plus Ryan Tannehill is much more comfortable in his second year and will improve. He played well as a rookie but struggled on 3rd downs and in the fourth quarter. They need him to get better in those crucial areas. The team has needed a pass catching TE for a long time and Keller fits. The team did lose Devone Bess, Anthony Fasano and Reggie Bush but Bush wasn’t used properly by Miami in their passing game, Bess could not go downfield at all and Fasano is a blocking TE. Swapping out Keller for Fasano will definitely help the passing game but hurt the running game. Rookie Dion Sims should play a lot as a blocking TE while Charles Clay will be the second receiving TE. Michael Egnew, a third rounder in 2012, has not impressed and could be cut or traded.

The running game is in good hands even if most people don’t know who the running backs are. Second year back Lamar Miller is explosive and should do well as the feature back. Daniel Thomas is concussion and fumble prone but good as a third down and goalline back. Rookie Mike Gillislee has solid running skills but needs work in the passing game. Fullback Javorskie Lane was solid early last year and then wore down. The Dolphins are phasing out the FB and using more two TE sets which is one reason they did not sign Vonta Leach. Do-it-all returner Marcus Thigpen is explosive in the return game but also gets looks at RB and slot WR. His role is still undetermined.


The offensive line is the biggest concern on the team, mainly at LT. They are moving very disappointing rookie Jonathon Martin (ranked by PFF as 76/80 at T in ‘112) to LT and he has struggled in training camp this year. The good news is that Ryan Clabo (14) is a great addition on the right side and basically replaces Jake Long (46) who has slipped the last two years due to injuries. The interior of the OL should be the same as last year with Pro Bowler Richie Incognito, stud Center Mike Pouncey and either John Jerry, Josh Samuda or Lance Louis at RG (all average at best type of players but not horrible). While the Dolphins have some depth at guard and RT, they have no depth or talent at LT. Rookie Dallas Thomas could play there but he’s not ready.

DEFENCE

While everyone has focused on Miami signing Mike Wallace, the defence is the strength of this team with a chance to be special. Last year their pass defence was lousy and they struggled to collect turnovers. I expect this area to be MUCH improved this year.

The defensive line is loaded with talent. Cam Wake is a beast at LE and had 15 sacks last year. On the interior Randy Starks and Paul Soliai have both made the Pro Bowl and Jared Odrick is finally back at DT full time where he belongs as he played DE on run downs the last couple years. He has looked great in camp so far. Those three will form a fantastic rotation inside. The biggest weakness on this line in the past was the lack of another pass rusher across from Wake. Second year DE Olivier Vernon is very athletic and has been greatly improved this camp. The Dolphins traded up to the #3 pick for Dion Jordan who was a raw athletic freak at Oregon who played more LB than DE. Despite the fact he is coming off of shoulder surgery and was considered raw, he has flashed big time pass rush ability in training camp. The DL is the strength of this team and could be really special this year.

The linebackers were changed in the offseason and this is a good starting group. The Dolphins dumped Karlos Dansby and Kevin Burnett who played well last year. They were solid athletic LBs who defended the run and pass well. But they were terrible blitzers and didn’t produce big plays. In are Dannell Ellerbe and Phillip Wheeler, two younger, blitzing LBs that may suffer in pass coverage but the sacks and turnovers should hopefully more than offset the difference. Koa Misi is a solid third LB who plays the strong side but Miami has ZERO depth here. If anyone gets hurt the backups are simply special teams players and the talent drop off would be enormous. Vernon and Dion Jordan could be moved to OLB to make up for it but it’s not a good scenario.


The Dolphins cornerbacks were terrible last year. It is the most improved position on the team in 2013. Starting CB Sean Smith was their best corner last year and he was ranked 74th by PFF. He was very inconsistent and never realized his true potential. Richard Marshall earned the starting job last year and that led to the trade of immature CB Vontae Davis. But Marshall got hurt and only played four games. That led to the playing of S Jimmy Wilson (99) and Nolan Carrol (67) at CB and they were bad and forced into situations they could not handle. They will probably not make the roster this year as CBs. No depth and no talent were the story of the Dolphins CBs last year. This year the Dolphins added Brent Grimes to the mix. He’s tiny and coming off an Achilles injury last year but he’s incredibly athletic and was ranked the 5th best CB in 2011. He has looked fully healthy and great so far and is the Dolphins #1 CB. Richard Marshall is battling Dmitri Patterson to start across from him and both can play the slot. They are solid if not special CBs. After that you have second and third round picks Jamar Taylor and Will Davis at CB. Taylor has been hurt (hernia surgery) and is on the third team but just starting to come on. Will Davis has had a very good camp and is the Dime back right now. The talent and depth here is improved tremendously. The safeties are the same. Steady Chris Clemons makes no big plays at FS but doesn’t give up much either. SS Reshad Jones was ranked the third best safety last year and really came into his own. He’s hoping to repeat and cash in as a free agent next year. Miami does lack depth here so an injury would hurt.

SPECIAL TEAMS

The Dolphins have one of the best punters in the league in Brandon Fields. Marcus Thigpen is a great returner. The kicker will most likely be rookie Caleb Sturgis who is currently slowed by a groin injury. He should be OK and replace the much more expensive Dan Carpenter who has choked in recent times, failing to hit the long FG when the team needed him.

[jaymo76]

Here is the non-facebook link for Madden 25 playbooks.

https://www.primamadden.com/category/madden25plays/raiders

EDIT- the page has been deleted and moved back to facebook...:(

[Rudy]

I'd like to see game speed become a slider in the future if possible. Was playing M13 demo on Very Slow and really liked it but they slowed it down a lot more on retail. I didn't like it at all so used Slow last year.

[jaymo76]

New audible system coming to Madden 25.

http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/formation-audibles-hot-routes?utm_campaign=mad25-social-na-eas-fb-social-na-eas-fb-madden25-formation-audib&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=social&sourceid=mad25-social-na-eas-fb-social-na-eas-fb-madden25-formation-audib

[Rudy]

New audible system coming to Madden 25.

http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/formation-audibles-hot-routes?utm_campaign=mad25-social-na-eas-fb-social-na-eas-fb-madden25-formation-audib&utm_source=fb&utm_medium=social&sourceid=mad25-social-na-eas-fb-social-na-eas-fb-madden25-formation-audib

They had mentioned this before. The only real innovation is blocking audibles from one personel group to another which is a good and realistic step. These new 4 audibles per formation are just the formation audibles we've always had though aren't they? One run, one PA, one deep play, one short pass play.

The new hot routes is nice but EA needs to add an option in the game for one max hot route. Hot routing guys all over the field to create new plays on the fly isn't real football. One hot read = good. Two is shaky and more than two is cheese imo.

[GatorfanStovy]

2 more days and we get a demo ! Can't wait!

[jaymo76]

Nothing new but here's another blog nonetheless.

http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/position-changes-tebow

[jaymo76]

A series of videos from AntoDaBoss


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGvYYy5i2-U&feature=c4-overview&list=UURHTtgQUpHNwXEiLYiml3hA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyybLymNKrU&feature=c4-overview&list=UURHTtgQUpHNwXEiLYiml3hA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k98BXvoieOU&feature=c4-overview&list=UURHTtgQUpHNwXEiLYiml3hA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkC64vAQfUk&feature=c4-overview&list=UURHTtgQUpHNwXEiLYiml3hA

[WolverineJay]

Ha Ha Ha! I was actually hoping the Black Knights would have a chess piece as a logo. I am going to try some weird things to test out relocation and find out what can and can't be done. I don't like the limitations on 2 or 3 team names per city so I will test my theory of using one city relocation to set-up another to get the team name I want. Example 1 is the Black Knights, I want that name for my Brooklyn team. Jets to London as Black Knights then off to Brooklyn and keep the Knights name, logo, and uniforms. I also want to bring back the LA Express from the defunct USFL. I will send Chargers to San Antonio as the Express then relocate to LA as the reborn LA Express.

[Rudy]

Just some info on the demo for Tuesday: http://mymaddenpad.com/2013/08/07/5-madden-25-demo/

It appears most options like difficulty and sliders are in along with commentary. But only the default camera angle is available.

[countryboy]

Cannot wait to play the demo tomorrow!

[skipwondah33]

I'm not even on Facebook. It's my wife's account and I am not doing that junk either. Hello Prima guide spam!My wife has a fake one that she uses to get coupons and what not

I'll use that, but I don't have an account either and refuse to create one

Again wish they would release some damn ratings

[GatorfanStovy]

One more day peeps! I can't wait to see what Madden 25 has to offer. I still might be waiting to get for the Xbox One though. Depends on the demo.

[countryboy]

Its been a while since I have been this excited for Madden to drop, much less the demo. Not sure why, but I have a good feeling about this year. :)

[Deuce]

Its been a while since I have been this excited for Madden to drop, much less the demo. Not sure why, but I have a good feeling about this year. :)

:+1: I'm going to buy Madden this year. I was planning on waiting until the PS4 version drops but NCAA isn't doing it for me. Ill only stay active in the OD I'm in but don't see myself playing my offline dynasty anymore. The demo and season ticket will tell me more but it would have to be really bad for me not to buy.


Typed by thumbs.

[GBRNation]

I made a fake facebook to get through. I can post the link for the actual plays and not the facebook link. This should work.

https://www.primamadden.com/category/madden25plays/

[Rudy]

I'm in Toronto and brought my PS3. First hotel I've seen with the new HDTVs and they blocked the input stuff! Most of the hotels I have been to have been lazy and not bothered when they switched over. Googled it and figured out disconnecting the phone line in the back of the TV would help and it worked! I'm up on my PS3 but haven't hooked up to the hotel light WIFI. Not sure if I will try it. I don't know if they can figure out if I download 2 GB worth of a demo and I remember setting up some of the PS3 internet settings was a pain in the ass. I don't know if I want to mess with that area. If I don't I will have to wait until late Thursday to try the new demo.

I did play an M13 demo game and I am really rusty. My passing skills suck worse than normal.

[GatorfanStovy]

when time does the demo drop ? xbox that is.

[Rudy]

It was out before 6 AM I guess. Get it here: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Madden-NFL-25-DEMO/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d802454189c5

[CLW]

I'll download the demo tonight when I get home from work but unless I am COMPLETELY BLOWN AWAY. I'll wait to PS4 and then confirm it is a full blown game and not something watered down.

[skipwondah33]

I made a fake facebook to get through. I can post the link for the actual plays and not the facebook link. This should work.

https://www.primamadden.com/category/madden25plays/Thank you sir

[GatorfanStovy]

Commence Download NOW!!! I'm Downloading the Demo get some early impressions up in a few. Can't wait!

Any one else with the demo right now ? Too bad online wasn't available with the teams ha that would be sick.

[ram29jackson]

49ers ratings break down


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLIjUVPCBj0

[jaymo76]

Downloading now on my PS3. I have said all along that I expect this will be Madden 13 gameplay mixed in with overpowered NCAA 14 read option running and NCAAesque softzone D. However, I did enjoy 13 last year so I will probably be able to look over some of the issues. I heard some of the sliders were removed. I just don't get why???

I will hopefully be playing in the next 30 mins so I hope to report back soon.

[jaymo76]

I'm about to start playing but I must say that I love the Robert Craft video (even though I despise the Pats). It's a nice touch IMO.

[jaymo76]

Game 1: Seahaws 10 vs Packers (me) 17 on all pro

I chose this game because I wanted to see how the read option would be from the cpu.

visuals are stunning (players and stadiums look great)
default game speed is far too fast for my liking
commentary is better but there are still a lot of dead spots
I see they added the NCAA guess the play feature
Rb's seem pretty over powered with the truck-stick (I watched Lynch truck-stick 3 linemen
my first run from Lacy a 46 yard carry on a hb counter... overall running the ball is very easy
penalties are non-existent on default (zero penalties in my first game
the stiff arm is just way, way, way, way too overpowered
* Rice stiff-armed SIX players on one pass play!!!!
ball hawk feature works very well!
the crowd is great and the chants sound wonderful
I have seen a lot of drops by my wr's
zone d is fairly soft and a lot of post routes are poorly covered
the audible system is much improved IMO
there just aren't enough stat overlays for my liking (NCAA is far superior)
I like the sideline reporter but only heard her once
halftime show is not a show... it's pointless
infinity 2.0 seems a lot more crisp than last year
play action is money if it's set up well
haven't really seen any fatigue in this game
celebrations after td's are pretty cool
uniform degradation is far better in madden than it is in NCAA
the qb read option is guaranteed for big yards
I struggled to generate a pass rush all game. Sims even commented on it
route mirroring is still alive and well in Tiburon football... :(
the Seahawks had more injuries in the game (3) then I have seen in any one game on NCAA 14.
player of the game still screwed up... a defender with an int and i tackle is the mvp

Overall if you love D may may not enjoy this game at times. It is totally geared towards offense, specifically the run game.
I had a lot of fun playing the game but there is nothing breakthrough about this game. It's your standard Tiburon offering.

[jaymo76]

Forgot to mention the rushing stats...

Lynch 14 carries for 93 yards and a td (6.6 ypc) with 9 broken tackles and well over 20 stiff arms/trucks
Lacy 13 carries for 107 yards (8.2 ypc)

A strange stat.... Seattle had 22 pancakes and I had 3!!!
there are also very few assisted tackles in this game (I had 4 and the cpu had none)

[jaymo76]

In game two I put the gameplay on very slow and it feels so much better.

I also put injuires and fatigue to 70... SF has already lost their first two rbs halfway through the first. These sliders totally work.

[jaymo76]

It's nice to see that now all of the players in the starting lineups are recognized rather than the key players

[jaymo76]

Running with Ray Rice feels entirely different than running with Lacy. It feels like driving a tank with Rice when he cuts.

[Rudy]

Nice thoughts. I'm never going to get this demo with the hotel's connection. Ugh.

The sliders do NOT have special teams sliders so that blows. They removed RB Break Tackle and the defensive sliders like pass rush and block shed for running. The only plus is they added pass coverage in addition to pass reaction.

[GBRNation]

Thank you sir

No problem

I am downloading the demo right now. Should be good to go soon.

Sent via Tapatalk

[jaymo76]

Game 2 played 100% different than game 1... it was all defense as I lost 10-7 to SF. A couple of extra notes after two games.

1. Zero penalties in two games
2. zero fumbles in two games
3. speed backs will be huge in this game as power backs can be slow to get off the mark
4. most injuries are not reported so you don't what's happening
5. cpu logic is better but still sometimes questionable.
6. ask madden... don't use it IMO

[GatorfanStovy]

FYI guy I got a demo thread up . so go there.

[jaymo76]

game 3: penalties at 100 test

GB vs Seattle (me)

penalties in order

1st q
facemask: 1
facemask 2
2q.
facemask 3 (me) (on a kickoff)
facemask 4
facemask 5
facemask 6
holding 1 (on a kickoff)

In the first half five of the six facemasks came on qb runs. My facemask was on a kick return

q3.
false start (me)
roughing the passer
holding (me) negated a td
facemask
holding (on the kickoff)
falsestart

q4.
falsestart (me)
falsestart (me)


I blew out GB 35-7 in this game. With all penalties at 100:

Seattle: 6 - 45
GB 10 - 102

It seems that false start, and face mask and the occasional holding are the only penalties called. Next game I will probably keep everything at 100 except I will turn facemask and falsestart down to 75.

I am really enjoying very slow with 70 injury and 70 fatigue. I might try slow next game though just to see. Either way, default is just too fast. I also need to look at threshold. Last year I had 30 so that may be the next test.

Okay... family is back home... no more games until tonight.

[WolverineJay]

game 3: penalties at 100 test

GB vs Seattle (me)

penalties in order

1st q
facemask: 1
facemask 2
2q.
facemask 3 (me) (on a kickoff)
facemask 4
facemask 5
facemask 6
holding 1 (on a kickoff)

In the first half five of the six facemasks came on qb runs. My facemask was on a kick return

q3.
false start (me)
roughing the passer
holding (me) negated a td
facemask
holding (on the kickoff)
falsestart

q4.
falsestart (me)
falsestart (me)


I blew out GB 35-7 in this game. With all penalties at 100:

Seattle: 6 - 45
GB 10 - 102

It seems that false start, and face mask and the occasional holding are the only penalties called. Next game I will probably keep everything at 100 except I will turn facemask and falsestart down to 75.


I got 2 defensive pass interference calls 1 on me and 1 on the CPU using default 50 so I leave that alone. I noticed more calls the higher the slider got with offsides, holding, false start, face masking, clipping, and roughing the passer. I utilize the premise that penalty sliders affect gameplay so I change them to mostly impact areas of the game outside of the penalty being called which is sad, thanks EA Tiburon.

[skipwondah33]

49ers ratings break down


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLIjUVPCBj0lol I had the 49ers in one of my leagues on Madden 13

Went 15-1 and won our Superbowl (Nickelbowl)

They are pretty solid lol. Here is two of the games I had from last season...was playing terribly to start Giants game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drj4IFV5aFU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G09ZUQrmRkU

[Rudy]

All the offensive players ratings: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3UtEYGaz83gcGIySW84X2JKa0E/view?pli=1&sle=true

Some of Miami's OL are off. Josh Samuda too low, rookie Dallas Thomas too high (been bad). Lamar Miller a touch low but he's more injury prone - same for Daniel Thomas. Got one guy in the wrong spot but the big dogs are all pretty good. Rookie RB Gillislee has high blocking ratings for some reason.

[Rudy]

Clint wrote in this blog that the QB accuracy ratings are what they actually use for their accuracy as true percentages. Aaron Rodgers deep ball is 87 which means he's accurate 87% of the time on the deep ball. That sounds too high to me: http://clintoldenburg.sportsblog.com/post/149447/the_science_of_quarback_ratings.html

On PFF Rodgers went deep 62 times last year with 26 completions and 7 drops. That still leaves 29 times where there was no completion. At 87% that means only 8 should be misfires so that says 21 of those 29 misfires were pass defenses and not simple incompletions. Not sure I'm buying that. Deep balls have quite a few balls that land out of bounds or just out of reach. To say a DB got his hands on the ball almost as much as the WR for the best deep thrower in 2012 is a stretch. Maybe this is why so few balls hit the ground in Madden.

[jaymo76]

All the offensive players ratings: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3UtEYGaz83gcGIySW84X2JKa0E/view?pli=1&sle=true

Some of Miami's OL are off. Josh Samuda too low, rookie Dallas Thomas too high (been bad). Lamar Miller a touch low but he's more injury prone - same for Daniel Thomas. Got one guy in the wrong spot but the big dogs are all pretty good. Rookie RB Gillislee has high blocking ratings for some reason.

I wonder if opening day and/or season ticket will have a roster update? The Raiders Taiwan Jones is listed as a rb but this year Allen is converting him to db. Also, matt McGloin is not listed but he's had a great camp and I like him a lot more than Wilson. I may need to create a custom roster as I have every intention of having McGloin on my roster.

[Rudy]

I will definitely be taking the latest roster and editing my Dolphins to make sure they are more accurate. Quite frankly the biggest problems I saw were some vets and draft picks being too good. Some of the younger improving players were too low. They aren't real time accurate but that's the problem with having one guy do all the ratings. It's real tough. I know Donny Moore would do a better job on every other team but I can do a better job on Miami.

[jaymo76]

Here's some retail footage of owner mode. Rudy, the Dolphins are in this clip. Enjoy!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSWFVDiF7I

[jaymo76]

Full gameplay.... ON ROOKIE SETTING...???...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aPqLU-yTK4

Why does EA send games out to people won't don't know anything about football?

[jaymo76]

I will NEVER play this mode but here is a clip for MUT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDK7FtjoBs

[jaymo76]

According to my season ticket, the Madden 25 download begins Friday @ 10am pacific.

[jaymo76]

Another "quality" video from a person who has the game early via EA. Warning this guy is not a football gamer and hasn't played Madden in a long while... On the bright side though it is PS3 footage and it looks pretty decent.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_WtwSYjYo

[jaymo76]

Another "quality" video from a person who has the game early via EA. Warning this guy is not a football gamer and hasn't played Madden in a long while... On the bright side though it is PS3 footage and it looks pretty decent.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ_WtwSYjYo

Just as a side-note... this is another game on PRO settings with no tweaks. I just wish people who get the game actually LOVE football and play it with a passion. Let's see some all madden footage with major slider tweaks.

[Rudy]

I agree. A lot of these guys are nobodies too. Why is EA doing this? The only thing I can think of is they are sheep who will provide positive only feedback.

[Rudy]

I'm looking at the Madden ratings and they removed acceleration. I don't care that much because I think EA never did it right. They had some big guys with ratings in that category way too high. Some guys like Barry Sanders had incredible acceleration too although just building it into the speed rating is generally fine with me.

The Dolphins starting RB Lamar Miller is way too low at 75 (that's 55th in the Madden RB list). Heck, ex-Dolphin and one-foot-out-the-door Ronnie Brown is rated 78. A curious thing as I started breaking down the formula calculations, Aaron Rodgers was really rated about 104 last year (all ratings are capped at 99 on display) but he's not 100+ this year. He's actually what he says. But AP calculates out to 102. Another funny thing, Carolina Panthers "LT" Patrick Brown is a real outlier for me since his formula rating is off by 5. Almost everyone comes out exactly on or no more than 1 point off. It's because his overall rating is based on the RT calculation (where he is bang on) but he's listed as a LT for some reason. It's as though the database has some outdated fields compared to others.

Pass and run block ratings are still ignored for RBs in their overall ratings. I don't know about the 3rd down back ratings.

[jaymo76]

Yeah I noticed that acceleration was missing. I was very curious as to why. In the demo I have not had a run over 30+ yards. I'm not sure if that is because of speed burst, no more acceleration rating, or both. I really don't understand anything about ratings and Tiburon football games. I would be curious to know how many of the ratings work/impact the game to begin with. On default backups play pretty much like first stringers.

[jaymo76]

Very annoying commentary but here's some hum/hum gameplay.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKoXOBXLA1Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Rudy]

Did you realize the a place kicker's awareness has the same effect on his rating as his kick power? Both are about .55 overall points per kick or awareness point. Basically you move those up or down two points and it affects one point of their rating. Their accuracy is almost one full point for a full overall point (about .9). I just hope we can actually miss a FG this year but without separate special teams sliders it's doubtful.

[Rudy]

A list of all the signature animations in Madden 25 (with a few pics): http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/signature-celebrations

SIGNATURE CELEBRATIONS

Marshawn Lynch – Skittles Rain Dance
Patrick Willis – Flex Muscles
John Abraham – Got my Eyes on You
Aldon Smith – Sack Swagger Dance
Alfred Morris – Home Run Swing
Antonio Brown – Bennie Biggle Wiggle
Antonio Smith – Sword Fight
Arian Foster – Disciplined Bow
Clay Matthews – Dirty Dancing
Clay Matthews – Predator
Michael Crabtree – Crabshake
Victor Cruz – Full Salsa Dance
Deion Sanders – Primetime Dance
Dez Bryant – X Arms
J.J. Watt – Mock Clay Matthews Predator
J.J. Watt – Finger Wag
Colin Kaepernick – Bicep Kiss
Gerald McCoy – Wave to the Fans
Maurice Jones Drew – Touchdown Dance
Cam Newton – Flip the Ball to Fans
Shaun Phillips – Bowling a Strike
Ray Rice – Flex his Bicep
Robert Griffin III – Kneel and Point to the Sky
Stevan Ridley – Kick in the Door
Aaron Rodgers – Championship Belt
Von Miller – Sack Swagger Dance
Cameron Wake – Super Flex

COMMON CELEBRATIONS

The Dougie
Air Guitar
Beating his Chest
Beating his Chest v2
Big Man High Steps
Big Man Poses
Can’t See Me
Cat Daddy
Heart, Kiss, Sky
Dunk over the Crossbar
Windmill Dunk over the Crossbar
Layup over the Crossbar
Dance and Spike the ball
Brush Dirt off the Shoulders
Fake Toss the ball to Fans
Feed Me
Gangnam Style
Teammates pat the Players Helmet
Hush Finger to fans
Jump up and Flex
Jump up after a Tackle
Kick ‘em off the Field
Kiss to the Sky
Place the Ball and Crossed Arms Pose
Place the Ball and Flex Pose
Point to the Fans
Pray and Point to the Sky
Punch and Flex
The Robot
Power Spike the Ball
Spin the Football on the nose
Three various Swagger Dances
Through the Legs Jumpshot… Nothing but net

[jaymo76]

Did you realize the a place kicker's awareness has the same effect on his rating as his kick power? Both are about .55 overall points per kick or awareness point. Basically you move those up or down two points and it affects one point of their rating. Their accuracy is almost one full point for a full overall point (about .9). I just hope we can actually miss a FG this year but without separate special teams sliders it's doubtful.

Special teams is a lost cause for Madden. Tiburon refuses to give sliders OR focus on special teams in anyway.

[jaymo76]

A list of all the signature animations in Madden 25 (with a few pics): http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/signature-celebrations

SIGNATURE CELEBRATIONS

Marshawn Lynch – Skittles Rain Dance
Patrick Willis – Flex Muscles
John Abraham – Got my Eyes on You
Aldon Smith – Sack Swagger Dance
Alfred Morris – Home Run Swing
Antonio Brown – Bennie Biggle Wiggle
Antonio Smith – Sword Fight
Arian Foster – Disciplined Bow
Clay Matthews – Dirty Dancing
Clay Matthews – Predator
Michael Crabtree – Crabshake
Victor Cruz – Full Salsa Dance
Deion Sanders – Primetime Dance
Dez Bryant – X Arms
J.J. Watt – Mock Clay Matthews Predator
J.J. Watt – Finger Wag
Colin Kaepernick – Bicep Kiss
Gerald McCoy – Wave to the Fans
Maurice Jones Drew – Touchdown Dance
Cam Newton – Flip the Ball to Fans
Shaun Phillips – Bowling a Strike
Ray Rice – Flex his Bicep
Robert Griffin III – Kneel and Point to the Sky
Stevan Ridley – Kick in the Door
Aaron Rodgers – Championship Belt
Von Miller – Sack Swagger Dance
Cameron Wake – Super Flex

COMMON CELEBRATIONS

The Dougie
Air Guitar
Beating his Chest
Beating his Chest v2
Big Man High Steps
Big Man Poses
Can’t See Me
Cat Daddy
Heart, Kiss, Sky
Dunk over the Crossbar
Windmill Dunk over the Crossbar
Layup over the Crossbar
Dance and Spike the ball
Brush Dirt off the Shoulders
Fake Toss the ball to Fans
Feed Me
Gangnam Style
Teammates pat the Players Helmet
Hush Finger to fans
Jump up and Flex
Jump up after a Tackle
Kick ‘em off the Field
Kiss to the Sky
Place the Ball and Crossed Arms Pose
Place the Ball and Flex Pose
Point to the Fans
Pray and Point to the Sky
Punch and Flex
The Robot
Power Spike the Ball
Spin the Football on the nose
Three various Swagger Dances
Through the Legs Jumpshot… Nothing but net

Nice find! Personally I would love it if we could choose different user celebrations for players in the editing tab. I get tired of always seeing the same animations.

[jaymo76]

From the mouth of EA/Tiburon:



Our ratings have broken down Throw Accuracy (THA) into 3 categories: short, medium and deep. While Aaron Rodgers is very accurate throwing to all parts of the field, some quarterbacks are much more accurate on short throws than deep throws. Here’s the breakdown:
- Short Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws under 20 yards.
- Medium Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws of 20-40 yards.
- Deep Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws greater than 40 yards.




I was really surprised to find out that short passes go up to 20 yards. I just figured it was 10 yards. That just seems off to me.

[GatorfanStovy]

God that game play is laggy as hell ugh. Looks like servers will be crap again until way until Next gen. Plus that first onside kick really :fp: I hate ti when people do that crap so annoying and one big reason I don't play onlnie.

[jaymo76]

God that game play is laggy as hell ugh. Looks like servers will be crap again until way until Next gen. Plus that first onside kick really :fp: I hate ti when people do that crap so annoying and one big reason I don't play onlnie.

Yup I could never play online football with strangers. I would lose my mind. Give me the couch, my headphones, and a late night vs the cpu any day.

[jaymo76]

Yet another "quality" clip...:(


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OryJ4bqq6Ow

[jaymo76]

More footage from QJB


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4YDURtyIE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtuKVZ8J_E2N9BqswnBTdjg

[Rudy]

From the mouth of EA/Tiburon:


I was really surprised to find out that short passes go up to 20 yards. I just figured it was 10 yards. That just seems off to me.

Totally agree. I consider short yardage slants and crossing routes - stuff under 10 yards. Medium should be 10 to 25/30 yards and deep balls after that.

I couldn't quite figure out how EA does the overall accuracy for the QBs. It doesn't look like a weighted percentage of those three variables. Something is off. The defensive ratings should come out soon for everyone. The top players have been released.

[Rudy]

Jaymo, when you get the season ticket check out the special teams sliders. I'm still baffled by this screenshot I took from one of EA's earlier videos. Maybe, just maybe we'll get separate ST sliders.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Madden/Madden%2025/M25SliderCapture.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/rudyjuly2/media/Madden/Madden%2025/M25SliderCapture.jpg.html)


Here are the offensive awareness affects in M25 by position.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Madden/Madden%2025/Madden25AwarenessFactors.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/rudyjuly2/media/Madden/Madden%2025/Madden25AwarenessFactors.jpg.html)

[Rudy]

A good blog from EA's line guy over WR/TE ratings. Some are in combination to determine separation, tough catches and fumbles.

http://clintoldenburg.sportsblog.com/post/151988/how_wide_receivers_are_rated.html

[jaymo76]

Jaymo, when you get the season ticket check out the special teams sliders. I'm still baffled by this screenshot I took from one of EA's earlier videos. Maybe, just maybe we'll get separate ST sliders.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Madden/Madden%2025/M25SliderCapture.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/rudyjuly2/media/Madden/Madden%2025/M25SliderCapture.jpg.html)


Here are the offensive awareness affects in M25 by position.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/rudyjuly2/Madden/Madden%2025/Madden25AwarenessFactors.jpg (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/rudyjuly2/media/Madden/Madden%2025/Madden25AwarenessFactors.jpg.html)

Will do Rudy. I wonder if they decided to remove special teams at the last moment? Since they removed other sliders perhaps they thought these sliders didn't work either so they removed them...???

[Rudy]

The sliders in that screenshot are identical except for special teams. Praying they pop them back in.

[jaymo76]

@Josh_Looman any chance that a practice squad will be in future Madden games? Or too many roster based rules for such a small feature?


Josh Looman ‏@Josh_Looman 19 Aug
. @DeltaKoz Depends. If we can figure out a way to make it compelling, it could be possible at some point.




I just don't understand Mr. Looman and his reasoning. Practise squads are essential for a true sim experience. That is what makes it compelling...:smh:

[jaymo76]

I was disappointed to hear the confirmation that you cannot play any other games and/or watch a cpu vs cpu game like the Super Bowl.



Jamil Al-amin ‏@Jamil2K12 31 Jul
@Josh_Looman @iloveu4ever2011 ive sent josh like 7 msgs and I cant get a reply on one...will we have cpu vs cpu in m25 like in ncaa14


Josh Looman ‏@Josh_Looman 31 Jul
@Jamil2K12 @iloveu4ever2011 It’s currently not possible in CFM since every person playing the game is a character.

Jamil Al-amin ‏@Jamil2K12 3 Aug
@Josh_Looman Thank you Josh...Just curious. How come its available in NCAA14. What's the difference? And can u please add it in an update

Josh Looman ‏@Josh_Looman 3 Aug
@Jamil2K12 Completely different technology.




Personally I don't understand Mr. Looman's logic. Pretty much every sports game that is non-EA produced allows the user to play/watch other games. In my CCM 13 I drafted a qb in the first round. However, Tennessee drafted the guy I wanted. According to twitter he is a stud but I have never seen him play because OAKLAND has not played TENNESSEE in my CCM. I realize I am in the minority on this one but a feature in every other madden game before 13 is a feature that needs to return immediately IMO. What sucks is that in the current form of Madden I NEVER expect to see this feature available again.

[jaymo76]

Nice quick reference to playbooks.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av_xMhjKo8PqdEVsZ1MzbnVBR1BKNjhPRWRPSjU3b 3c#gid=0

[Rudy]

I think they have CCM coded in such a way it is very inflexible. I just don't know the answers to those Jaymo.

Here are ALL the ratings of every player in Madden.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B3UtEYGaz83gY3VyMmVQcjJiXzg/edit

[JBHuskers]

I got a chance last night to start my CCM last night. In the preseason, Oakland is already going to relocate to London and change their name and uniforms for next season :D

Doing owner mode, and really digging it so far.