2 Explosions at Boston Marathon

[CLW]

woman that gave tips to the cops went outside after seeing shed door open and blood/clothes so she called the cops woman is lucky she wasn't killed too

[CLW]

robot headed to the boat to check to see if there are any bombs in the boat.

[SmoothPancakes]

This is what the scene looks like. He's in the center towards the fence side, according to the police scanners.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/399927_10151349180641481_780464835_n.png

[CLW]

WBZ NewsRadio 1030 reported that authorities were able to locate the subject by using a thermal camera from a helicopter.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/gunfire-in-watertown-minutes-after-police-scale-back-search/

[CLW]

more shooting/explositions.....

[psusnoop]

you can see the boat trailer on google maps

[CLW]

you can see the boat trailer on google maps

i must suck at google maps b/c all i could see is the front of the house

[SCClassof93]

Send in the flame throwers to roast this douche

[CLW]

Send in the flame throwers to roast this douche


if i knew he was unarmed/weak i'd send in the dogs to eat him but i'm just mean. :nod:

[JBHuskers]

But it's better to take him alive, no?

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[CLW]

But it's better to take him alive, no?

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this moron is most likely not going to be taken alive its part of their ideology to get to heaven with the virgins and stuff.

sure if the guy would get out of the boat and lie down on the ground fine but i just don't see this ending that way.

[CLW]

suspect injured last night so he's been bleeding for quite awhile now.

[psusnoop]

I want this SOB alive, I want more information!!!

[CLW]

nbc now confirming what fox has been reporting some time now re: woman tipping police off to the boat

[CLW]

I want this SOB alive, I want more information!!!

all he has to do is lawyer up (per Obama policy not considering it an act of war) and just say nothing.

[psusnoop]

Funny post from twitter:

@BlakePiffin: Bitch on CNN trying to explain what a flashbang is. Bitch I got Call of Duty I know what it is.

[SmoothPancakes]

Bing's picture of the area is better. Taken during the winter, bare trees and the boat is there.

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=r1tyzh921y3y&lvl=19.83&dir=348.55&sty=b&where1=67%20Franklin%20St%2C%20Watertown%2C%20MA%2 002472&form=LMLTCC

[JBHuskers]

Funny post from twitter:

@BlakePiffin: Bitch on CNN trying to explain what a flashbang is. Bitch I got Call of Duty I know what it is.

:nod:

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[SmoothPancakes]

Suspect's in custody.

[psuexv]

Taken away in ambulance

[JBHuskers]

:up:

[CLW]

wow didn't see that ending.

SOMEONE in the FBI is losing a job though. according to reports Big Brother was questioned by the feds in 2010 after a foreign government tipped the U.S. government that he was a radical terrorist and they gave him the green and allowed him to travel to russia (where he likely got training as a terrorist). :smh:

[SmoothPancakes]

The Boston PD twitter account has confirmed it, suspect is in police custody, taken out of the boat without incident. He is alive, has unspecified medical needs. Now starting an aggressive sweep to see if any bombs are located around there.

[JBHuskers]

What's CLW going to do for the rest of the night now? :D

[SCClassof93]

What's CLW going to do for the rest of the night now? :D

:D:D:D

[SCClassof93]

wow didn't see that ending.

SOMEONE in the FBI is losing a job though. according to reports Big Brother was questioned by the feds in 2010 after a foreign government tipped the U.S. government that he was a radical terrorist and they gave him the green and allowed him to travel to russia (where he likely got training as a terrorist). :smh:

You mean a scapegoat will be found to cover the weakness of our policy makers.

[SmoothPancakes]

Well, at least now I can call it a night knowing it is all over. I have to be up at 2am for work and am hitting the sack by 10pm, so glad to know it's over and done and don't have to wait until I get to work around 3am to know whether or not he was found.

[JBHuskers]

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/7415/rkl1ieh.jpg

[SmoothPancakes]

Zooey Deschanel? He's French?

Meanwhile, latest word is that he may be in serious, if not critical, condition, though no official word on it yet. Hopefully they can keep that fucker alive.

[JBHuskers]

She's a little hotter. And my future wife :drool:

http://images.tvrage.com/news/zooey-deschanel-signs-with-uta.jpg

[CLW]

You mean a scapegoat will be found to cover the weakness of our policy makers.

Come on Obama's reach out to the Muslim world CLEARLY is working wonders. Never mind the fact that Bush's post 9/11 philosophy lead to 0 attacks and Obama's has lead to 2.

EDIT: Interesting Obama is ignoring his rhetoric of the past by not requiring his FBI to Mirandize this SOB immediately. Listen to what I say not what I do. Over/Under on number of articles/blogs from the left calling Obama out for this = ZERO. :nod:

[oweb26]

Come on Obama's reach out to the Muslim world CLEARLY is working wonders. Never mind the fact that Bush's post 9/11 philosophy lead to 0 attacks and Obama's has lead to 2.

EDIT: Interesting Obama is ignoring his rhetoric of the past by not requiring his FBI to Mirandize this SOB immediately. Listen to what I say not what I do. Over/Under on number of articles/blogs from the left calling Obama out for this = ZERO. :nod:

WOW!!! I am not sure how this (or most of your political comments for that matter) or even relevant to anything this thread was "suppose" to be talking about, but I guess when you really don't like something/someone you find a way to always include them!

[CLW]

WOW!!! I am not sure how this (or most of your political comments for that matter) or even relevant to anything this thread was "suppose" to be talking about, but I guess when you really don't like something/someone you find a way to always include them!

If you are intellectually incapable of understanding how policy re: Islam and whether or not terrorists are Enemy Combatants or just regular Criminals you should consider reading up. One addresses prevention of this type of event and another addresses gathering intelligence to try to prevent future attacks and of lesser importance (apparently) in this case the admissibility of evidence at trial. However, if a Court rules the government violated #2's Miranda rights anything they learned from that questioning could NEVER be used in a court (including if he gave up 50 more co-conspirators they would basically get off scott free thanks to the doctrine of Fruit of the poisonous tree)

[JBHuskers]

WOW!!! I am not sure how this (or most of your political comments for that matter) or even relevant to anything this thread was "suppose" to be talking about, but I guess when you really don't like something/someone you find a way to always include them!

Yeah everything is Obama's fault. Haven't you learned by now? :D :fp:

[JBHuskers]

Big Papi "This is our fucking city...and nobody is going to dictate our freedom"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQUFm2icyQ

[bdoughty]

She's a little hotter. And my future wife :drool:


You will have to fight me for that honor. I watched 50+ episodes of new girl just to lust after her. She owes me for helping her ratings. I also demand a weekly threesome with CeCe.

[JBHuskers]

You will have to fight me for that honor. I watched 50+ episodes of new girl just to lust after her. She owes me for helping her ratings. I also demand a weekly threesome with CeCe.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0fmq2KDIF1rqm0opo1_400.jpg

[bdoughty]

Come on Obama's reach out to the Muslim world CLEARLY is working wonders. Never mind the fact that Bush's post 9/11 philosophy lead to 0 attacks and Obama's has lead to 2.

Yet the 9/11 attack happened under his watch and his policies. You cant blame Clinton if you are basing it on attacks on US soil while under a Presidents watch.

Bush
WTC - 2,606 deaths

Obama
Ft Hood - 13
Boston - 3

So 26 or 2606? Playing your little game Obama is the clear winner. I may not like many of his policies but it is this blinders on zealotry, on both sides of the isle, that is going to ruin this great nation we live in.

[bdoughty]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0fmq2KDIF1rqm0opo1_400.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2dYy00e.jpg

[psusnoop]

Yet the 9/11 attack happened under his watch and his policies. You cant blame Clinton if you are basing it on attacks on US soil while under a Presidents watch.

Bush
WTC - 2,606 deaths

Obama
Ft Hood - 13
Boston - 3

So 26 or 2606? Playing your little game Obama is the clear winner. I may not like many of his policies but it is this blinders on zealotry, on both sides of the isle, that is going to ruin this great nation we live in.

Well said, I don't agree with many of his policies but to be honest I can't name a ton of things I do agree with on either side of the isle. Both are creating a fucking mess.

[psusnoop]

And this isn't a place to be bringing it up either.

[SCClassof93]

Yet the 9/11 attack happened under his watch and his policies. You cant blame Clinton if you are basing it on attacks on US soil while under a Presidents watch.

Bush
WTC - 2,606 deaths

Obama
Ft Hood - 13
Boston - 3

So 26 or 2606? Playing your little game Obama is the clear winner. I may not like many of his policies but it is this blinders on zealotry, on both sides of the isle, that is going to ruin this great nation we live in.

Don't see the sense in measuring a leader's "success" with a death toll. That would make Lincoln the worst. Plus you are leaving out Ben Gazi

[SCClassof93]

An independent look at current policies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10007190/Boston-bombs-Obama-lulled-America-into-false-confidence-over-terror-threat.html

[Deuce]

This kind of shit (murder/terrorism) is the price we pay for freedom. The only way to stop it unfortunately is to take away more freedoms. Conservative/liberal...it doesn't matter. Ill take my chances and live with the chance of terror and keep my freedom.

This is a non political statement. :D

[SCClassof93]

This kind of shit (murder/terrorism) is the price we pay for freedom. The only way to stop it unfortunately is to take away more freedoms. Conservative/liberal...it doesn't matter. Ill take my chances and live with the chance of terror and keep my freedom.

This is a non political statement. :D


:D:D:D
Everything is politics my friend. It is a sad state of affairs we have arrived at, when discussion and disagreement must be shut down and labeled "hate". Ah, the heights of existentialism......it will be our undoing.......that and collectivism.

[bdoughty]

Don't see the sense in measuring a leader's "success" with a death toll. That would make Lincoln the worst. Plus you are leaving out Ben Gazi

If you mean Benghazi, CLW made reference to two attacks so I limited them to the ones on *US soil. I was only using CLW's comment to show him the folly of his ways. When a terrorist strikes there are no winners.

* Not all of our embassies are considered to be on US Soil, that varies by Nation.

[SCClassof93]

http://scoobydoo.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_Gazi

Humor is certainly no winner round here

[bdoughty]

http://scoobydoo.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_Gazi

Humor is certainly no winner round here

:fp: You would have been better off saying your account was hacked.

An archaic reference to a character that appeared on one Scooby Doo episode that plays a dig foreman that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Really? You want to go with that?

Even the Ice Cream Ghost are in shock.

http://i.imgur.com/8rYCODR.jpg

[Deuce]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/21/evupu3at.jpg

Mmmmm ice cream.

[SCClassof93]

:fp: You would have been better off saying your account was hacked.

An archaic reference to a character that appeared on one Scooby Doo episode that plays a dig foreman that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Really? You want to go with that?

Even the Ice Cream Ghost are in shock.

http://i.imgur.com/8rYCODR.jpg

Don't be disrespecting Ben Gazi now :D
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111111052134/scoobydoo/images/0/06/Ben_Gazi.png

[SCClassof93]

Come to think of it........I don't remember ever seeing Fred Flintstone and Ben Gazi together :dunno:
http://scoobydoo.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_Corden

[SCClassof93]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/21/evupu3at.jpg

Mmmmm ice cream.

I hope that is ice cream :sick:

[Deuce]

I hope that is ice cream :sick:

:drool: :up:

[JBHuskers]

http://i.imgur.com/2dYy00e.jpg

:D :D :D

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[NatureBoy]

Picture of Dead Boston bomber. NSFW and if you have a weak stomach, please do not click the link. If it needs to be removed, by all means do so.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c0e_1366394274

[bjrod9]

Picture of Dead Boston bomber. NSFW and if you have a weak stomach, please do not click the link. If it needs to be removed, by all means do so.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c0e_1366394274

Crazy pics, Wow!

[psuexv]

What in the world are those gashes from? They are on both sides of him

Edit- looks like the image is just transposed. Seemed weird that the gashes were on both sides

[SCClassof93]

His brother ran over him. Possible cause of gashes?

[SCClassof93]

Oh boy

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459580/20130421/boston-bombings-tamerlan-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-sleeper-cell.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter

[CLW]

Oh boy

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459580/20130421/boston-bombings-tamerlan-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-sleeper-cell.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter

This is why you treat terrorism as an act of war and not a criminal act. Break out the water boards and make that bitch talk. :nod:

[cdj]

Oh boy

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/459580/20130421/boston-bombings-tamerlan-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-sleeper-cell.htm
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boston-bombers-fbi-hunting-12-strong-1844844#.UXM54Yqm6hA.twitter

I was just going to post those links, SC. Not surprising at all; I think most probably expected that to be the case. It is disconcerting that the Russians had a pretty good idea of what the older brother was up to, but we were unable to find anything. (I would think his trip overseas last year should have raised red flags. :dunno: I've read articles saying he was never on radar, another saying when he returned from trip that he was. So much bad/conflicting information throughout this whole thing.)

[cdj]

What in the world are those gashes from? They are on both sides of him

Edit- looks like the image is just transposed. Seemed weird that the gashes were on both sides


His brother ran over him. Possible cause of gashes?

Depending on what you read, he either died from a suicide vest, from the shootout, or from his brother running over him to get away. :dunno:


This is why you treat terrorism as an act of war and not a criminal act. Break out the water boards and make that bitch talk. :nod:

I'm sure it will change in the next few hours, but supposedly he has a throat injury and may not talk again. Perhaps from shooting himself through the mouth (failed suicide attempt). We probably won't learn anything from him, unfortunately.

[SmoothPancakes]

Depending on what you read, he either died from a suicide vest, from the shootout, or from his brother running over him to get away. :dunno:



I'm sure it will change in the next few hours, but supposedly he has a throat injury and may not talk again. Perhaps from shooting himself through the mouth (failed suicide attempt). We probably won't learn anything from him, unfortunately.

They better give that asshole a pen and some paper then. He may not be able to talk, but his ass sure as hell can write.

[CLW]

Depending on what you read, he either died from a suicide vest, from the shootout, or from his brother running over him to get away. :dunno:



I'm sure it will change in the next few hours, but supposedly he has a throat injury and may not talk again. Perhaps from shooting himself through the mouth (failed suicide attempt). We probably won't learn anything from him, unfortunately.

Well we water board him for fun then or just put him in a cage handcuffed and completely defenseless in downtown Boston and allow anyone from the city get 5 minutes with him for free. :nod: If nothing else I suppose they could force him to write answers to their questions if indeed is can never speak again.

[Deuce]

Big Papi "This is our fucking city...and nobody is going to dictate our freedom"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQUFm2icyQ

I may be a little bit late on this on but I just read where the chairman of the FCC tweeted after letting this go on the air..."David Ortiz spoke from the heart at today's Red Sox game. I stand with Big Papi and the people of Boston"

That is fucking awesome!

[JBHuskers]

I may be a little bit late on this on but I just read where the chairman of the FCC tweeted after letting this go on the air..."David Ortiz spoke from the heart at today's Red Sox game. I stand with Big Papi and the people of Boston"

That is fucking awesome!

Good. Because I'm sure there were some uppity bitches calling in to complain.

[bdoughty]

Well we water board him for fun then or just put him in a cage handcuffed and completely defenseless in downtown Boston and allow anyone from the city get 5 minutes with him for free. :nod:

I go with the eye for an eye solution. Make two bombs exactly as they made them, throw him out in a secluded place and set them off.

[SmoothPancakes]

Good. Because I'm sure there were some uppity bitches calling in to complain.

For 'fucking', hell yes. There's uppity bitches calling in to complain whenever someone dares to utter hell or ass. That's all some douchenozzles live for, is to complain about every-fucking-thing they can. I've learned that very well during my 8 years in radio. Someone, somewhere, will call and bitch about the stupidest shit.

[CLW]

Dershowitz: Feds will regret not Mirandizing bomber:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html)

If you buy the initial Obama/liberal logic Dershowitz is right. Obama et al. have stepped in a big pile of you know what and this case could not go very poorly IF the law is applied appropriately. Of course, it seldom is and will likely be ignored for this case.

[SCClassof93]

Dershowitz: Feds will regret not Mirandizing bomber:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html)

If you buy the initial Obama/liberal logic Dershowitz is right. Obama et al. have stepped in a big pile of you know what and this case could not go very poorly IF the law is applied appropriately. Of course, it seldom is and will likely be ignored for this case.

Just stick him in a cell with many others while awaiting trial :easy:

[bdoughty]

What say you, Liberal female professor...

http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/

This said, the mortuary pictures of the older brother of the two are extremely disturbing, raising questions as to whether the Boston Police Department captured him with too much force.

Kill em with kindness, I guess?

[SmoothPancakes]

What say you, Liberal female professor...

http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/

This said, the mortuary pictures of the older brother of the two are extremely disturbing, raising questions as to whether the Boston Police Department captured him with too much force.

Kill em with kindness, I guess?

Lets see, traded 200 rounds back and forth with police, was throwing bombs and grenades, he had explosives on his body, with some unverified reports that one of their explosives may have gone off on him and on top of all that, he got ran over by the car his own brother was driving. I was expecting him to look WORSE after all that. Too much force my ass. :fp:

[CLW]

What say you, Liberal female professor...

http://ruthobrien.org/a-day-of-terror/

This said, the mortuary pictures of the older brother of the two are extremely disturbing, raising questions as to whether the Boston Police Department captured him with too much force.

Kill em with kindness, I guess?


Lets see, traded 200 rounds back and forth with police, was throwing bombs and grenades, he had explosives on his body, with some unverified reports that one of their explosives may have gone off on him and on top of all that, he got ran over by the car his own brother was driving. I was expecting him to look WORSE after all that. Too much force my ass. :fp:

Yep better to let the terrorist escape and possibly bomb/kill more people than to capture/kill him using deadly force. Love me some left wing academia. :nod:

[jaymo76]

No connection to this event but I think we need to recognize a victory for the good guys. Props to the Canadian RCMP and CSIS with assistance from the FBI and homeland security for capturing al-Qaeda members who were attempting to blow up a train en route from Toronto to New York. The two men were captured in Quebec and Toronto and neither were North American.

[Deuce]

No connection to this event but I think we need to recognize a victory for the good guys. Props to the Canadian RCMP and CSIS with assistance from the FBI and homeland security for capturing al-Qaeda members who were attempting to blow up a train en route from Toronto to New York. The two men were captured in Quebec and Toronto and neither were North American.

:+1:

[steelerfan]

No connection to this event but I think we need to recognize a victory for the good guys. Props to the Canadian RCMP and CSIS with assistance from the FBI and homeland security for capturing al-Qaeda members who were attempting to blow up a train en route from Toronto to New York. The two men were captured in Quebec and Toronto and neither were North American.

Good to hear.

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[bdoughty]

No connection to this event but I think we need to recognize a victory for the good guys. Props to the Canadian RCMP and CSIS with assistance from the FBI and homeland security for capturing al-Qaeda members who were attempting to blow up a train en route from Toronto to New York. The two men were captured in Quebec and Toronto and neither were North American.

Also credit goes to the Muslim community (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcmp-about-terror-plot) whose tips helped catch these two pieces of shit. I feel for Muslims who just want to live their lives peacefully.

[morsdraconis]

Also credit goes to the Muslim community (http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/22/muslim-community-tipped-off-rcmp-about-terror-plot) whose tips helped catch these two pieces of shit. I feel for Muslims who just want to live their lives peacefully.

:+1: x :infinity:

[souljahbill]

Dershowitz: Feds will regret not Mirandizing bomber:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/dershowitz_authorities_will_regret_not_reading_bos ton_bomber_miranda_rights.html)

If you buy the initial Obama/liberal logic Dershowitz is right. Obama et al. have stepped in a big pile of you know what and this case could not go very poorly IF the law is applied appropriately. Of course, it seldom is and will likely be ignored for this case.

I don't get it. Did I miss something? Was Obama there making the capture? I'm sure he didn't tell the cops/Feds "Don't give this dude Miranda rights." I'm sure that in all the excitement, they probably just forgot (considering the dude was bleeding and whatnot) and whatever ruling they're provoking is to put a band-aid on an oversight. I understand you're not an Obama fan but I can't see how this is Obama's fault. That's a stretch.

[JBHuskers]

An estimated 42M people watched the final hour of the manhunt.

[SCClassof93]

They hate us but they love our free money :fp:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-family-received-welfare_719056.html

[JBHuskers]

The owner of the now famous boat interviews with the local Boston news. What a nice guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixTkyI_Hpbg

This part wasn't in the video, but so many people are wanting to buy him a new boat and he says "NOOOO, there are people who have lost lives and limbs, send it to the Boston One fund. I have a canoe!"

[Deuce]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=L_4-W_0rJnQ&feature=youtu.be&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DL_4-W_0rJnQ%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

America, fuck yeah!

[CLW]

I don't get it. Did I miss something? Was Obama there making the capture? I'm sure he didn't tell the cops/Feds "Don't give this dude Miranda rights." I'm sure that in all the excitement, they probably just forgot (considering the dude was bleeding and whatnot) and whatever ruling they're provoking is to put a band-aid on an oversight. I understand you're not an Obama fan but I can't see how this is Obama's fault. That's a stretch.

You should read articles discussing the differences between crimes and acts of war and how it affects acts of terrorism and make up your own mind.

Suffice it to say, I do NOT agree with the premise that these people are merely criminals as Obama (and the left does). Rather, I subscribe to the premise that radical Islamists/Jihadsts are at war with the U.S. and thus their actions should be treated as such.

[psuexv]

Suffice it to say, I do NOT agree with the premise that these people are merely criminals as Obama (and the left does). Rather, I subscribe to the premise that radical Islamists/Jihadsts are at war with the U.S. and thus their actions should be treated as such.

I tend to stay out of these discussions as hate politics but I definitely agree with this.

[souljahbill]

You should read articles discussing the differences between crimes and acts of war and how it affects acts of terrorism and make up your own mind.

Suffice it to say, I do NOT agree with the premise that these people are merely criminals as Obama (and the left does). Rather, I subscribe to the premise that radical Islamists/Jihadsts are at war with the U.S. and thus their actions should be treated as such.

This, I agree with. I'm aware that extremist out there who want to take us out from the inside using fear and whatnot and those people should be dealt with accordingly.

What I disagree with is that the arresting cop didn't read the guy his Miranda right and that's somehow Obama's fault.

[CLW]

This, I agree with. I'm aware that extremist out there who want to take us out from the inside using fear and whatnot and those people should be dealt with accordingly.

What I disagree with is that the arresting cop didn't read the guy his Miranda right and that's somehow Obama's fault.

Well I either poorly posted or you didn't understand the post. My point was NOT that Obama screwed up b/c he didn't have the cops Mirandize douche bag. My point was I STRONGLY disagree with Obama's initial premise that douche bag is a criminal and not at war with the U.S.

IF you agree with my premise that Boston was an act of war (and not a crime) then you agree with me that douche bag should never be Mirandized b/c he has no such rights.

On the other hand, if you agree with Obama's premise that Boston was just a "mere" crime. Then he has to be and the cops likely screwed up (although courts will likely make bad law here to cover up for the cops mistake).

Interestingly (to me at least) a STRONG argument can be made that the entire concept of Miranda (Supreme Court case) is flawed and thus no one has any Miranda "rights" under the Constitution. However, that is an entirely different discussion and requires far too much posting/reading for anyone here (other than me) to probably care to get into.

[souljahbill]

Well I either poorly posted or you didn't understand the post. My point was NOT that Obama screwed up b/c he didn't have the cops Mirandize douche bag. My point was I STRONGLY disagree with Obama's initial premise that douche bag is a criminal and not at war with the U.S.

IF you agree with my premise that Boston was an act of war (and not a crime) then you agree with me that douche bag should never be Mirandized b/c he has no such rights.

On the other hand, if you agree with Obama's premise that Boston was just a "mere" crime. Then he has to be and the cops likely screwed up (although courts will likely make bad law here to cover up for the cops mistake).

Interestingly (to me at least) a STRONG argument can be made that the entire concept of Miranda (Supreme Court case) is flawed and thus no one has any Miranda "rights" under the Constitution. However, that is an entirely different discussion and requires far too much posting/reading for anyone here (other than me) to probably care to get into.

Alright, that makes more sense but it raises another question.

Is it ok to treat it like a crime initially until all the facts are in THEN switch to war/terror crimes or do we just go war/terror crimes from the jump until we find out more information? I assume that treating things like a war/terror crime gives authorities more leeway in apprehending and interrogation than regular crimes, correct?

[CLW]

Alright, that makes more sense but it raises another question.

Is it ok to treat it like a crime initially until all the facts are in THEN switch to war/terror crimes or do we just go war/terror crimes from the jump until we find out more information? I assume that treating things like a war/terror crime gives authorities more leeway in apprehending and interrogation than regular crimes, correct?

Which comes first egg/chicken? For me you treat any "major attack" like this as an act of war 1st and we have a military system of justice where the Judge there could rule it was not an act of war and kick it to the criminal justice system when/if necessary.

IF you treat it as a crime 1st they would be entitled to U.S. Constitutional rights (such as "Miranda rights"). It's hard to undo something like that once you open "Pandora's box".

[bdoughty]

They hate us but they love our free money :fp:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/tamerlan-tsarnaev-and-family-received-welfare_719056.html

http://i.imgur.com/hwq3uHQ.jpg

[souljahbill]

Which comes first egg/chicken? For me you treat any "major attack" like this as an act of war 1st and we have a military system of justice where the Judge there could rule it was not an act of war and kick it to the criminal justice system when/if necessary.

IF you treat it as a crime 1st they would be entitled to U.S. Constitutional rights (such as "Miranda rights"). It's hard to undo something like that once you open "Pandora's box".

Makes sense.

Congrats! You made a case without invoking "the downfall of liberals!" You're a smart dude. I think more people would engage in political conversation with you if you didn't have so much hate/disdain for Obama/liberals/democrats.

[CLW]

Makes sense.

Congrats! You made a case without invoking "the downfall of liberals!" You're a smart dude. I think more people would engage in political conversation with you if you didn't have so much hate/disdain for Obama/liberals/democrats.

Yeah apparently my jokes/sarcasm re: liberals don't go over well around these parts. :smh:

[SmoothPancakes]

Only one issue. The younger brother is an American citizen, and was arrested in the US. So he couldn't be tried in a military tribunal as an enemy combatant. He would have always ended up in the civilian courts from the beginning. They just invoked the public safety thing to hold him and question him without mirandizing him first.

[CLW]

Only one issue. The younger brother is an American citizen, and was arrested in the US. So he couldn't be tried in a military tribunal as an enemy combatant. He would have always ended up in the civilian courts from the beginning. They just invoked the public safety thing to hold him and question him without mirandizing him first.

Well ignoring the Constitutional issue re: whether a state(s) have the right to leave the union. Americans have engaged in war against the Federal Government before see the Civil War.

There are also several KNOWN acts that a person immediately loses his/her U.S. citizenship 8 U.S.C. 1481 including: "taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years" and "committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383) of title 18 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18), or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385) of title 18 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18), or violating section 2384 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384) of title 18 (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18) by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction."

IMHO. Mr. Douche bag lost his U.S. citizenship the moment he and his douche bag of a brother pledged allegiance to the Islamic terrorists and began plotting their attack. As such the U.S. Constitution no longer applies and he committed an act of war and should be treated as such w/o his former citizenship in the U.S. being taking into consideration.

[SmoothPancakes]

Well, unless I'm reading that incorrectly, it's saying he loses it after he has been convicted by a court martial or court of competent jurisdiction. You may believe and consider him to have lost it at that moment, but I'm not sure I'd believe that until a court says otherwise. Until then, who the hell knows how this turns out without him having been mirandized.

[JBHuskers]

Looks like they were going to head to Time Square next.

[Deuce]

Looks like they were going to head to Time Square next.

Yep, apparently to detonate 7 more bombs. Fuckers.

[SCClassof93]

One of CLW's heroes coming to the rescue. Wow, the taxpayer paid over 100k in welfare benefits for these douches and will now get hit for years in court/attorney fees. :fp:
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/anti_death_penalty_crusader_joins_team

[CLW]

One of CLW's heroes coming to the rescue. Wow, the taxpayer paid over 100k in welfare benefits for these douches and will now get hit for years in court/attorney fees. :fp:
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tsarnaev_family_received_100g_in_benefits
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/anti_death_penalty_crusader_joins_team

Yep this is "poverty" in America:

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/4nE1zVmtiweyyNjSWMa5ZQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODk7cT04NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/video/video.kgo.abc.news.com/047ebca922a54415a982288f20ef6516


Queer eye for the straight guy look with Obama phone in tote. :nod:

[bdoughty]

Queer eye for the straight guy look with Obama phone in tote. :nod:

That would be a Reagan phone, credit the president that started it all.

[CLW]

Boston PD 3 more suspects arrested in connection with bombing. Islamic Jihadist cell appears more and more likely.

[CLW]

That would be a Reagan phone, credit the president that started it all.

That's a fair point (if you consider land line versus cell phones the same) and contrary to MANY conservatives I find a NUMBER of faults with Reagan and his presidency. I disagree with giving people free land lines and I disagree with giving people free cell phones.

I was merely referring to the phone as most of its recipients now refer to it as.

[SCClassof93]

That's a fair point (if you consider land line versus cell phones the same) and contrary to MANY conservatives I find a NUMBER of faults with Reagan and his presidency. I disagree with giving people free land lines and I disagree with giving people free cell phones.

I was merely referring to the phone as most of its recipients now refer to it as.

Don't be disagreeing with "Captain Fact Check" now :D

[oweb26]

Makes sense.

Congrats! You made a case without invoking "the downfall of liberals!" You're a smart dude. I think more people would engage in political conversation with you if you didn't have so much hate/disdain for Obama/liberals/democrats.

This is pretty true


Yeah apparently my jokes/sarcasm re: liberals don't go over well around these parts. :smh:

I really don't care what you say in 99.9% ( and I'm not even a democrat) of your comments but maybe it is a fail on all us regarding your comments in regards to your sarcasm.

Speaking of which didn't you insult/question my intelligence on your reply to me a couple of weeks ago? You sir I think I owe a reply insult!!! :mad::D:P