Current Events

[souljahbill]

Catch-all thread to discuss what's in the news

[souljahbill]

Man kills girlfriend after she reveals being HIV positive and AFTER having sex with him

http://naturallymoi.com/2012/09/news/man-murders-woman-after-she-confesses-to-being-hiv-positive/

I don't condone the man's actions at all but she was clearly wrong in not disclosing her status ahead of time.

[skipwondah33]

Ex-boyfriend living in woman's attic.

http://www.ksat.com/news/Ex-boyfriend-found-living-in-woman-s-attic/-/478452/16574422/-/61g3ly/-/index.html

That's crazy

[psuexv]

Florida Woman Assaults Ex-Boyfriend With His Own Prosthetic Leg

http://www.inquisitr.com/328889/florida-woman-assaults-ex-boyfriend-with-her-own-prosthetic-leg/

[CLW]

This thread should be re-titled Current CRAZY Events. :nod:

[gschwendt]

Threatening caller spurs University of Texas evacuation
Caller claimed to be with al-Qaida, planted bombs
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/threat-evacuates-all-of-ut-campus

I hate to make light but think it might just be a freshman that doesn't want to take their first major test? I can't imagine al-Qaida would first of all plant bombs at UT and second of all call it in.

[CLW]

Threatening caller spurs University of Texas evacuation
Caller claimed to be with al-Qaida, planted bombs
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/threat-evacuates-all-of-ut-campus

I hate to make light but think it might just be a freshman that doesn't want to take their first major test? I can't imagine al-Qaida would first of all plant bombs at UT and second of all call it in.

I dunno man if I were trying to defeat the U.S. I would probably want to eliminate the population with the most guns to fight back with. :nod:

[gschwendt]

I dunno man if I were trying to defeat the U.S. I would probably want to eliminate the population with the most guns to fight back with. :nod:
North Dakota State received a similar threat. I guess there might be some backwoods militia groups up there but none of them even know what a college is :)

[CLW]

North Dakota State received a similar threat. I guess there might be some backwoods militia groups up there but none of them even know what a college is :)

Or.... just "bitter" people that "cling to their guns" :nod:

[jaymo76]

NHL lockout is on... AGAIN!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/09/15/sp-nhl-labour-talks-deadline-sides-meet-bettman-fehr.html

[souljahbill]

NHL lockout is on... AGAIN!!!

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2012/09/15/sp-nhl-labour-talks-deadline-sides-meet-bettman-fehr.html

What is this "hockey" you speak of?

People are funny these days inventing sports. Hockey. What a funny sounding game. Next thing you know, you'll tell me there are other made up "sports" other then football/basketball/baseball played here in America with ridiculous sounding names like soccer or tennis or something like that (I totally made those words up).

[steelerfan]

Let's Go Pens!

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[SmoothPancakes]

When doesn't the NHL have a lockout? :fp: 4th time since 1992 if my memory is correct. :fp:

[jaymo76]

What is this "hockey" you speak of?

People are funny these days inventing sports. Hockey. What a funny sounding game. Next thing you know, you'll tell me there are other made up "sports" other then football/basketball/baseball played here in America with ridiculous sounding names like soccer or tennis or something like that (I totally made those words up).

I'm about to blow your mind... Canada's national sport is... LACROSSE. True story.

[jaymo76]

When doesn't the NHL have a lockout? :fp: 4th time since 1992 if my memory is correct. :fp:

Agreed! It's too the point that I would applaud to see another season lost just so that I don't give up my time to watch this fiasco.

[SCClassof93]

I'm about to blow your mind... Canada's national sport is... LACROSSE. True story.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLmEMFq8F8

[jaymo76]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLmEMFq8F8

:D Could be worse for us I guess... Romney or Obama...

[cdj]

If true, forget this guy and the invisible horse he rode in on. (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/12/psy-kill-american-soldiers-rap.html?mid=twitter_nymag)

[psusnoop]

If true, forget this guy and the invisible horse he rode in on. (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/12/psy-kill-american-soldiers-rap.html?mid=twitter_nymag)

Yep this guy can Go **** himself.


Sending to TNT a quick email :)

[cdj]

Yep this guy can Go **** himself.


Sending to TNT a quick email :)

Don't worry. He's issued an apology (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1698546/psy-apology-anti-american-lyrics.jhtml).

There's a bit of irony with his lyrics coming out on Dec. 7.

[SCClassof93]

Shame this dog eating douche does not want to kill the yankees that saved his back water mud hole of a country from the Chinese :fp:

[souljahbill]

Count this as one of those times where the Republicans get it right when it comes to entitlement programs. 2 kids die and the aunt is more concerned about her food stamp card.

http://1079ishot.com/two-kids-perish-in-memphis-house-fire-aunt-concerned-about-food-stamp-card-video/

[bdoughty]

Count this as one of those times where the Republicans get it right when it comes to entitlement programs. 2 kids die and the aunt is more concerned about her food stamp card.

http://1079ishot.com/two-kids-perish-in-memphis-house-fire-aunt-concerned-about-food-stamp-card-video/

The story was from 2009, so it was in the time Obama and his administration were blaming everything on Bush. So actually, Bush killed the children, setting the fire himself and stole the lady's purse and food stamps.

[souljahbill]

The story was from 2009, so it was in the time Obama and his administration were blaming everything on Bush. So actually, Bush killed the children, setting the fire himself and stole the lady's purse and food stamps.

Was it. I didn't see a date anywhere so I didn't know. Still in all, it's still sickening to think that there are people who have this mentality.

[SCClassof93]

Count this as one of those times where the Republicans get it right when it comes to entitlement programs. 2 kids die and the aunt is more concerned about her food stamp card.

http://1079ishot.com/two-kids-perish-in-memphis-house-fire-aunt-concerned-about-food-stamp-card-video/

Great title for a book Bill! I have to wonder though with you as the author, would it be longer or shorter than, "The Great beers of Iran".......:D

[souljahbill]

Great title for a book Bill! I have to wonder though with you as the author, would it be longer or shorter than, "The Great beers of Iran".......:D

LOL! I have no problem with Republicans. I agree with a lot of their core ideology. I dislike how the extremists have tainted the party and how it's more important to work against Democrats instead of with.

FYI, I claim no party. I'm an independent. I vote based on best man for the job, not Rs and Ds.

[dhook27]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2866842248001/gutfeld-macklemores-race-remarks-woefully-short-on-facts/

This made me throw up. I’d really love to know what qualifies the blonde haired bitch as a “hip hop aficionado”.

[JBHuskers]

They are perpetually idiots...

[cdj]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2866842248001/gutfeld-macklemores-race-remarks-woefully-short-on-facts/

This made me throw up. I’d really love to know what qualifies the blonde haired bitch as a “hip hop aficionado”.

Just watched the clip. :D He was being completely sarcastic in calling her a "hip hop aficionado" and so was she in her initial response. She is a former press secretary for President Bush and likely really had no clue who any of those performers were.

[dhook27]

Just watched the clip. :D He was being completely sarcastic in calling her a "hip hop aficionado" and so was she in her initial response. She is a former press secretary for President Bush and likely really had no clue who any of those performers were.
It was not just that. These idiots don't even listen to Hip Hop and we're judging the artist. They probably don't like Kanye because he speaks the truth most of the time.

[JBHuskers]

Cept Kanye's last album was terrible compared to past ones.

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[SCClassof93]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aG91Oow_460sa.gif

[SCClassof93]

Nothing like facts, truth and reality.....course the loons like kanye (and his fans) don't let reality get in the way........
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/27/kanye-west-obamas-failures-black-people-don-t-have-same-connections-j

Really love the point at the end. Kanye is worth "monetarily" three times what G.W. Bush is..............
Damn those evil Jews and rich oil people :fp:

[dhook27]

Nothing like facts, truth and reality.....course the loons like kanye (and his fans) don't let reality get in the way........
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/11/27/kanye-west-obamas-failures-black-people-don-t-have-same-connections-j

Really love the point at the end. Kanye is worth "monetarily" three times what G.W. Bush is..............
Damn those evil Jews and rich oil people :fp:

I like how the only people that dont like Yeezy are the ones who are to simple minded to understand him or have never listened to a Whole album by him.

[steelerfan]

I like how the only people that dont like Yeezy are the ones who are to simple minded to understand him or have never listened to a Whole album by him.

Or people with Parkinson's Disease, or Native Americans, or "bitches".

[souljahbill]

I like how the only people that dont like Yeezy are the ones who are to simple minded to understand him or have never listened to a Whole album by him.

I listen to Kanye. College Dropout is amongst the greatest albums ever released but the truth is, he's a fallen star. He has the potential to be great but the thing that makes him great is also his downfall, his arrogance. He runs at the mouth, saying stupid shit left and right. He has no concept of perception. Dude thinks Kim K. is a bigger deal than M. Obama. Maybe to kids who don't know better but even people who hate the POTUS have a great deal of respect for the First Lady. Kanye also this he's Jesus now or something, the most influential person in the history of Earth. Kanye is so far up his own ass that's he's a mockery of himself.

[skipwondah33]

I just like and listen to his music

The rest of it means to me....well

http://troll.me/images/kanye-west/kanye-west.jpg

About nothing

[CLW]

CBO nearly triples estimate of working hours lost by 2021 due to Affordable Care Act
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101352868

[bdoughty]

A Democrat that actually wants to deport someone?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-wants-justin-bieber-deported-20140204

:fp:

[CLW]

A Democrat that actually wants to deport someone?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-wants-justin-bieber-deported-20140204

:fp:

It's b/c he's rich and white. :nod:

[steelerfan]

It's b/c he's rich and white. :nod:

Um, so is the Senator.

[Stan HAMsen]

It's b/c he's rich and white. :nod:

Yes. Rich white people really have it tough in America.

[bdoughty]

Yes. Rich white people really have it tough in America.

Them tax bracket blues! Can only afford one trip to Europe this year.

[CLW]

Yes. Rich white people really have it tough in America.

I never argued they did I merely argued the dems would like fewer of them in this country b/c they "tend" to vote for the GOP.

[bdoughty]

I never argued they did I merely argued the dems would like fewer of them in this country b/c they "tend" to vote for the GOP.

Biebs is a Canadian citizen. Don't they are worried about him voting for the GOP. He did enter the country legally which obviously has the Democrats confused as you are not supposed to call illegal aliens, "illegals" because that would mean they were breaking a law or something. So entering the country legally is not even definable by Democratic language as it is beyond their comprehension.

[CLW]

Biebs is a Canadian citizen. Don't they are worried about him voting for the GOP. He did enter the country legally which obviously has the Democrats confused as you are not supposed to call illegal aliens, "illegals" because that would mean they were breaking a law or something. So entering the country legally is not even definable by Democratic language as it is beyond their comprehension.

Well yeah but you gotta deport the rich white Canadians now before the GOP tries to counter "comprehensive democrat voter reform" with the white rich Canadians voting rights act

[SmoothPancakes]

His plane needs to just crash and then the world will be saved from that shit plague.

[cdj]

His plane needs to just crash and then the world will be saved from that shit plague.

Speaking of his plane (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/flying-high-exclusive-inside-story-biebers-pot-plane-n22056):

Justin Bieber and his father were “extremely abusive” to a flight attendant as their private jet flew from Canada to New Jersey on Friday, forcing her to take refuge in the cockpit, according to an official report obtained exclusively by NBC News.

According to multiple law enforcement sources, the leased, luxurious Gulfstream IV on which the 19-year-old Canadian pop star, his father and an entourage of 10 friends traveled was so full of marijuana smoke that the pilots were forced to wear oxygen masks.

“The captain of the flight stated that he warned the passengers, including Bieber, on several occasions to stop smoking marijuana,” says the official report of the incident. “The captain also stated he needed to request that the passengers stop their harassing behavior toward the flight attendant and after several warnings asked the flight attendant to stay with him near the cockpit to avoid any further abuse.”

According to multiple sources, the attendant was forced to spend much of the flight near the pilots as the plane travelled from Canada to Teterboro, N.J.

“The flight attendant stated the passengers, including Bieber and his father, Jeremy Bieber,” stated the report, “were extremely abusive verbally and she would not work another flight with them.”


Where is Suge Knight to hold this twerp over a balcony when we need him?

[cdj]

A Democrat that actually wants to deport someone?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-wants-justin-bieber-deported-20140204

:fp:

He's up for re-election, so cue the BS. He has as much desire to deport Biebs as he does to go back home and join the private sector with a real job.

[JBHuskers]

I would absolutely love to see that f'n douche serve hard time.

[Stan HAMsen]

If they are smoking weed on the plane, why not just have them arrested for possession when you land in NJ?


He's up for re-election, so cue the BS. He has as much desire to deport Biebs as he does to go back home and join the private sector with a real job.

No. He is Democrat. He genuinely wants rich, white, 19 year old Canadians out of this country because they tend to vote for the GOP.

[SCClassof93]

His plane needs to just crash and then the world will be saved from that shit plague.


:D Thanks, writing that down :D

[cdj]

If they are smoking weed on the plane, why not just have them arrested for possession when you land in NJ?

IIRC, they did search the plane (with dogs) but didn't find anything.

[JBHuskers]

IIRC, they did search the plane (with dogs) but were paid off.

Fixed.

[SmoothPancakes]

Speaking of his plane (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/flying-high-exclusive-inside-story-biebers-pot-plane-n22056):

Justin Bieber and his father were “extremely abusive” to a flight attendant as their private jet flew from Canada to New Jersey on Friday, forcing her to take refuge in the cockpit, according to an official report obtained exclusively by NBC News.

According to multiple law enforcement sources, the leased, luxurious Gulfstream IV on which the 19-year-old Canadian pop star, his father and an entourage of 10 friends traveled was so full of marijuana smoke that the pilots were forced to wear oxygen masks.

“The captain of the flight stated that he warned the passengers, including Bieber, on several occasions to stop smoking marijuana,” says the official report of the incident. “The captain also stated he needed to request that the passengers stop their harassing behavior toward the flight attendant and after several warnings asked the flight attendant to stay with him near the cockpit to avoid any further abuse.”

According to multiple sources, the attendant was forced to spend much of the flight near the pilots as the plane travelled from Canada to Teterboro, N.J.

“The flight attendant stated the passengers, including Bieber and his father, Jeremy Bieber,” stated the report, “were extremely abusive verbally and she would not work another flight with them.”


Where is Suge Knight to hold this twerp over a balcony when we need him?

This is why I hate child musicians, performers, etc.

They have all this fame as little kids, make a bunch of money (not sure if they don't get access until 18 or if it just depends on each individual situation), they get all these groupies following them and going on and on online about them (the groupies are almost as bad, having read stories about some Bieber fans saying they'll murder someone because that someone said something negative about Bieber), and then by the time they turn 18, they've turned into entitled shits who think they can do anything they want to with no consequences. Case in point, your story about the plane ride to New Jersey.

That flight attendant should have sued him for verbal and emotional harassment, and I would have stood up and applauded her and hoped she took him for millions.

[CLW]

Restaurant adds 3% surcharge to every customer's bill for Obamacare. :nod:

http://eater.com/archives/2014/02/18/las-republique-defends-its-3-health-care-surcharge.php

[SCClassof93]

Restaurant adds 3% surcharge to every customer's bill for Obamacare. :nod:

http://eater.com/archives/2014/02/18/las-republique-defends-its-3-health-care-surcharge.php

It should be obvious that only the wealthy "eat out" and should pay their share ;). The real questions.....when will all restaurants and businesses go to this and will they do it by choice or be forced? Shouldn't the fat and obese pay more since they burden the "collective" health system more? This is coming very soon and if so... what about known homosexuals or drug users, their behaviors increase health costs right? While we are at it all the sun bunnies at the beach, tanning salons and let us throw in bathing suit manufacturers and buyers because skin cancer costs us all more. Seems so much easier when people have freedom and its accompanying responsibility. Currently responsibility for many is being forced on the few.......this will not end well....

[Stan HAMsen]

Ok, so total :fp: on me for even asking, but...

Y'all don't think it's tacky that the owner is telling people to tip 3% less to offset the charge?

The impression I get from the article is that the owner cares much less about his employees and much more about protesting the healthcare law.

[SmoothPancakes]

Ok, so total :fp: on me for even asking, but...

Y'all don't think it's tacky that the owner is telling people to tip 3% less to offset the charge?

The impression I get from the article is that the owner cares much less about his employees and much more about protesting the healthcare law.

That's all it is. He just wants to get his 5 minutes of fame and protest the healthcare law, so what better way than making a big stink of it and hurt his employees in the process, and then conveniently blame it all on Obamacare.

[CLW]

Ok, so total :fp: on me for even asking, but...

Y'all don't think it's tacky that the owner is telling people to tip 3% less to offset the charge?

The impression I get from the article is that the owner cares much less about his employees and much more about protesting the healthcare law.

Not sure when stating FACTS became "tacky" but if stating basic simple truths (customers can tip whatever they want or not tip at all) so be it.

I suppose Liberals get upset when their Socialists Utopia "free" healthcare keeps getting dispelled by the fact that nothing in life is free. Going to be worse when/if Obama EVER kicks in the employer mandate. However, I suspect he will keep passing the buck until there is a new POTUS in 2017.

[souljahbill]

I don't believe Obamacare is meant to make healthcare "free." I believe it's purpose is to make sure people have access to healthcare (getting rid of pre-existing conditions) and make it so insurance companies can't say, "Nah, we ain't paying for that" when you need your insurance company to come through in your time of need.

I'm not in favor of government run healthcare but I'm also not in favor of the insurance companies running it either like it was before. Insurance companies only gave a damn about their bottom line and allowed plenty of people to go bankrupt or even die leaving people hanging.

[JBHuskers]

Thankfully for me, no change was necessary.

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[SCClassof93]

Ok, so total :fp: on me for even asking, but...

Y'all don't think it's tacky that the owner is telling people to tip 3% less to offset the charge?

The impression I get from the article is that the owner cares much less about his employees and much more about protesting the healthcare law.

I think the point is more that someone has to pay for your healthcare and insurance.....and it is not going to be him and I don't blame him.......dickish way to go about it, maybe but perhaps if our government instructors taught basic economics we would not be in this mess.

[SCClassof93]

I don't believe Obamacare is meant to make healthcare "free." I believe it's purpose is to make sure people have access to healthcare (getting rid of pre-existing conditions) and make it so insurance companies can't say, "Nah, we ain't paying for that" when you need your insurance company to come through in your time of need.

I'm not in favor of government run healthcare but I'm also not in favor of the insurance companies running it either like it was before. Insurance companies only gave a damn about their bottom line and allowed plenty of people to go bankrupt or even die leaving people hanging.

Do you think the auto insurance industry should be forced to eliminate pre-existing conditions?

[souljahbill]

Do you think the auto insurance industry should be forced to eliminate pre-existing conditions?

What does that even mean?

[CLW]

What does that even mean?

Drunk Person "X" has a car accident w/o any auto insurance coverage injuring people (A B C). A, B and C sue X. Under Obamacare's logic X has a "right" to force an insurance company to immediately defend them in the lawsuit and pay for the damages X has caused.

[oweb26]

What does that even mean?

Its far right wing logic, don't try to understand it just say okay.

You were correct in your first assumption about the rationale behind the law if you guys have ever sold insurance you would know the BS insurance companies were doing to people; guys like CLW take everything to the extreme politically, when as 99% of things in life the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

[souljahbill]

Drunk Person "X" has a car accident w/o any auto insurance coverage injuring people (A B C). A, B and C sue X. Under Obamacare's logic X has a "right" to force an insurance company to immediately defend them in the lawsuit and pay for the damages X has caused.

Are we really comparing someone who drove drunk and killed people to someone who was born with a condition or someone who is in cancer remission and can't get coverage from anyone because of their pre-existing condition?

[oweb26]

Are we really comparing someone who drove drunk and killed people to someone who was born with a condition or someone who is in cancer remission and can't get coverage from anyone because of their pre-existing condition?

NOOOOO!!!!! they are sucking into an argument !!!! Don't help the post count! :0

[souljahbill]

NOOOOO!!!!! they are sucking into an argument !!!! Don't help the post count! :0

LOL! I won't say anymore. I posted before I saw your other post. I'm done.

[SCClassof93]

Are we really comparing someone who drove drunk and killed people to someone who was born with a condition or someone who is in cancer remission and can't get coverage from anyone because of their pre-existing condition?

No, I was discussing insurance, what it means as a business etc. I think you and oweb are discussing an entitlement and obligating some to pay for the responsibilities of others. Carry on and do elaborate on how I should take care of strangers just because I can.....also explain how those being taken care of will continue (in the future) to have the liberty to make choices contrary to what those (the ones paying the bill) think is good for them.

[SCClassof93]

Its far right wing logic, don't try to understand it just say okay.

You were correct in your first assumption about the rationale behind the law if you guys have ever sold insurance you would know the BS insurance companies were doing to people; guys like CLW take everything to the extreme politically, when as 99% of things in life the truth falls somewhere in the middle.

Bs? Do you go to work for fun? Helping others? Why should insurers? :fp:

[oweb26]

Bs? Do you go to work for fun? Helping others? Why should insurers? :fp:

I am going to say one thing on the matter, I agree 100% with what Soulja said about why the government got into it in the first place but I also don't think the government should be in the insurance business. The entire industry needed an overhaul not another provider.

Case in point isn't that the point of paying insurance to get help when you need it? So yes helping others is kinda there thing, that's why they get paid.

[SCClassof93]

I am going to say one thing on the matter, I agree 100% with what Soulja said about why the government got into it in the first place but I also don't think the government should be in the insurance business. The entire industry needed an overhaul not another provider.

Case in point isn't that the point of paying insurance to get help when you need it? So yes helping others is kinda there thing, that's why they get paid.

The reason medical services and insurance (which is not about "help" btw) cost so much for those of us actually paying is that so many receive its benefits for FREE. Insurance is about protecting against a possible future issue or loss. If something is pre-existing then you are not insuring against anything. No this is just more "entitlement" etc.........the responsible in society carrying more of the burden........it will collapse one way or another.......

[oweb26]

The reason medical services and insurance (which is not about "help" btw) cost so much for those of us actually paying is that so many receive its benefits for FREE. Insurance is about protecting against a possible future issue or loss. If something is pre-existing then you are not insuring against anything. No this is just more "entitlement" etc.........the responsible in society carrying more of the burden........it will collapse one way or another.......

Okay

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[SCClassof93]

Okay

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Glad you came to your senses :D

[oweb26]

Glad you came to your senses :D

Lol well played

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[Stan HAMsen]

I think the point is more that someone has to pay for your healthcare and insurance.....and it is not going to be him and I don't blame him.......dickish way to go about it, maybe but perhaps if our government instructors taught basic economics we would not be in this mess.

I think you and I are on the same page with this specific story. I would rather see this guy go the traditional route - raising prices to customers - rather than encouraging those customers to pay less for the service of his staff. I think it would be just as effective to protest by adding a note on receipts that say 'you paid $x.xx more today so we could comply with Obamacare', the same way grocery stories and gas stations show savings earned with loyalty programs.

[SCClassof93]

I think you and I are on the same page with this specific story. I would rather see this guy go the traditional route - raising prices to customers - rather than encouraging those customers to pay less for the service of his staff. I think it would be just as effective to protest by adding a note on receipts that say 'you paid $x.xx more today so we could comply with Obamacare', the same way grocery stories and gas stations show savings earned with loyalty programs.

The point is, who pays? This guy is having his costs of labor go up artificially by the government and it is for his employees. In essence he is telling his customers that his cost and their cost has gone up due to government mandate.....the so called benefit goes to the employees....well let them pay for their stuff and that is his point.

[CLW]

Out there on the far left apparently the Government CAN prohibit you from wearing a U.S. Flag T-Shirt b/c apparently we live in Mexico now. Who knew?

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/02/27/11-17858.pdf

[Stan HAMsen]

Ok, this shit can't be real. Who's alter is CLW? Is cdj really a hardcore liberal and he's posting nonsense as CLW in an attempt to create animosity toward Republicans?

[souljahbill]

You people are crazy. The school felt there was a threat, took it seriously, and acted in the best interest of student safety. For anyone to be upset about this is ridiculous. If there were no threat of some anti-American violence or whatever, no one would have done anything about the student clothes.

Let some shit have gone down. People would have been outraged that the school didn't do more to protect the children.

[steelerfan]

You people are crazy. The school felt there was a threat, took it seriously, and acted in the best interest of student safety. For anyone to be upset about this is ridiculous. If there were no threat of some anti-American violence or whatever, no one would have done anything about the student clothes.

Let some shit have gone down. People would have been outraged that the school didn't do more to protect the children.

:fp:

[SCClassof93]

:fp:

:D

[steelerfan]

:D

Now that I look at my post again, I realize it may be confusing who I was facepalming about.

It was Bill.

Sorry, Bill. My solution would be to outlaw foreign flags in the school. Not the US flag.

[CLW]

WTF are they "celebrating" a Mexican holiday in an American school? Do any schools celebrate Boxing Day? Nope. Pandering to a bunch of morons who are so "proud" of "their" country yet they don't live there. Talk about some faulty basic reasoning/logic.

[CLW]

In other news a restaurant chain is also adding an Obamacare charge to all customers bills.

http://www.breitbart.com/mediaserver/64BA571BD7AA453AB24A2102CC722AB5.jpg

[JBHuskers]

OMG 20 cents!!!1111

[souljahbill]

Now that I look at my post again, I realize it may be confusing who I was facepalming about.

It was Bill.

Sorry, Bill. My solution would be to outlaw foreign flags in the school. Not the US flag.

It's not about the flags or shirts or whatever. They can outlaw or ban whatever. My point was, there was potential for danger in school and whatever steps that need to be taken to keep the student safe needed to be done.

We come across issues all the time at the school I work out. We haven't had any political issues like this but I bet that if we had to choose between statements and student safety, we'll pick safety first and sort it out later.

[CLW]

It's not about the flags or shirts or whatever. They can outlaw or ban whatever. My point was, there was potential for danger in school and whatever steps that need to be taken to keep the student safe needed to be done.

We come across issues all the time at the school I work out. We haven't had any political issues like this but I bet that if we had to choose between statements and student safety, we'll pick safety first and sort it out later.

No they CANNOT. The 1st Amendment begs to differ. I suspect Benjamin Franklin begs to differ as well:


Freedom of speech is a principal pillar of a free government; when this support is taken away, the constitution of a free society is dissolved, and tyranny is erected on its ruins. ...


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Then again I suspect Mr. Franklin wouldn't think much about anyone on today's left.

[souljahbill]

No they CANNOT. The 1st Amendment begs to differ. I suspect Benjamin Franklin begs to differ as well:
.

Figure of speech. I'm not really for the banning of anything. What I'm saying is, trouble was brewing, the school took steps to ensure it wouldn't happen. If there was no trouble on the horizon, administration wouldn't have done anything about these flag shirts or whatever. Y'all seem more concerned about your right to wear a shirt or a flag or whatever they were fighting over more than the fact that student safety was being threatened.

[SmoothPancakes]

If CLW can pass a bar exam, get a law degree and license (or whatever is needed) to practice law, then people in charge of said exam, degrees and licenses are some serious fucking idiots. :fp:

Of course, the entire corrupt as fuck legal system, Congress and the entire government is populated by nothing but fucking retards (BOTH PARTIES before Resident Troll tries to twist my words into some pro-Republican/anti-Democrat bullshit), so I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised.

[Stan HAMsen]

Shirts with US flags were not banned. Some students were allowed to return to class wearing shirts with the flag. If I remember right (I read it yesterday), there were three students that were asked to turn their shirts inside-out. It doesn't say exactly what the difference was, only that the school felt like the shirts that went back to class wouldn't cause any problems. It also mentions that at least one of the three students was willing to accept whatever consequences that came with wearing his shirt.

CLW - what is it about this ruling that makes these judges liberals? The part when they say discussion about the rightfulness of observing Cinco de Mayo is outside scope of this case? I guess probably the part where they don't say that all speech is protected all the time? It looked like one of the cases they cited was from Iowa. Were those liberal judges too or did I misread something?

[JBHuskers]

How bout shirts with wolves on them?

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[steelerfan]

How bout shirts with wolves on them?

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:up:

[CLW]

CLW - what is it about this ruling that makes these judges liberals? The part when they say discussion about the rightfulness of observing Cinco de Mayo is outside scope of this case? I guess probably the part where they don't say that all speech is protected all the time? It looked like one of the cases they cited was from Iowa. Were those liberal judges too or did I misread something?



9th Circuit is most liberal appeals court in the entire country and they have a roughly 80% reverse rate when their opinions are taken up by SCOTUS
Judge Thomas - Clinton Appointee and on Obama's short list for SCOTUS vacancy
Judge McKeown - Clinton Appointee and another liberal on a short list for any SCOTUS vacancy - she writes the opinion of the court


You ALWAYS know the 9th Cir's opinion is questionable at best when they principally rely on 9th Circuit "law" on a Constitutional issue which they did in this case. They didn't even bother themselves with even quoting the actual text of the 1st Amendment. Moreover, I did not see any cases from any Iowa court in the opinion. However, just b/c an opinion is from Iowa does not mean it is a conservative one. Unfortunately, they have liberals (especially liberal judges) in Iowa too.

They begin the opinion with noting the need to "balance" people's 1st amendment RIGHTS and the government's apparent NEED to control the people (of course the Constitution says the Government cannot violate the people's RIGHT to speech but who cares). They then IGNORE the SCOTUS' holding in Tinker which is students have 1st Amendment rights at schools so long as their speech does not significantly interrupt the operations of school or violate the rights of others (basically you cannot just yell and interrupt the class lectures going on and interfere with students ability to learn in class)

NOTHING about a U.S. t-shirt (nor any other shirt) interrupts the ability to teach students. Rather, it was apparently the Latino (or as the court refers to them "Mexican") morons at the schools causing problems. As such the school's solution would/should have been to throw the Latino morons out or to otherwise discipline them. Of course, that would lead to "racists" charges so instead the school chose to violate the 1st Amendment rights of the other students who apparently did nothing other than wear T-shirts with American flags on them.

Ironically, the 9th Circuit then equates the U.S. flag (which undoubtedly flies somewhere outside, near or even in the courthouse) with the Confederate flag (none of the Confederate flag cases are from the SCOTUS and again most from the 9th Cir). Of course, to liberals the U.S. flag is just as offensive speech as the Confederate flag b/c the U.S. has been the greatest force of evil of all time (except when a democrat is in the white house - then everything is just fine).

Here is the truth, IF this case was simply kids wearing say a Pro-*** Marriage T-shirt and students threatened violence against those students and the school told the students to turn the shirts inside out the 9th Circuit would have FLIPPED THE F OUT and layed the hammer down on the school. However, they didn't and instead their speech here was simply a "pro USA over Mexico" speech and that simply cannot be tolerated in America b/c we all know Mexico is a far superior nation (thus the need for immigration reform).

[JBHuskers]

I haven't read completely up on it, but what the hell is going on in the Ukraine? WOW. The Pres bails and is nowhere to be found.

[gschwendt]

I haven't read completely up on it, but what the hell is going on in the Ukraine? WOW. The Pres bails and is nowhere to be found.
Long story short, many of the citizens want to join the European Union while the former president kept wanting to get his wallet fat from Russia.

[Stan HAMsen]

Add to that, EU membership could lead to a NATO member on Russia's doorstep and possibly exclude Russia from their only warm water port.

[CLW]

Putin is OWNING Obama right now and calling him on his feeble bluff. Russia has been basically bribing most of Europe's power players for years now with all kinds of cash to Banks, etc... Europe won't do squat now b/c they are basically in bed with the Russians. Putin knows Obama won't go it alone so he could invade all of Eastern Europe right now and get away with it.

[souljahbill]

Putin is OWNING Obama right now and calling him on his feeble bluff. Russia has been basically bribing most of Europe's power players for years now with all kinds of cash to Banks, etc... Europe won't do squat now b/c they are basically in bed with the Russians. Putin knows Obama won't go it alone so he could invade all of Eastern Europe right now and get away with it.

I'm assuming Romney or McCain would have all of this fixed by now, right?

[SCClassof93]

I'm assuming Romney or McCain would have all of this fixed by now, right?

Well, in all honesty it was Romney that claimed Russia was a threat to world stability and it was the President that was caught telling Medvedev that he would have greater flexibility
whatever that means :whistle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_a1RhcB0Tk

[JBHuskers]

Add to that, EU membership could lead to a NATO member on Russia's doorstep and possibly exclude Russia from their only warm water port.

I heard that it may split into two countries.

[souljahbill]

Well, in all honesty it was Romney that claimed Russia was a threat to world stability and it was the President that was caught telling Medvedev that he would have greater flexibility
whatever that means :whistle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_a1RhcB0Tk

Ok, I get that Romney called it (and I'll give him his due credit), the point still remains that it's highly unlikely that Putin bows to his demands either. Putin clearly has his own agenda and no matter whom the president is, he'd do what he wanted.

[CLW]

Teen Sues Parents for Cash, College Tuition. Does She Have a Case?
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/nj-teen-sues-parents-for-cash-and-college-tuition-201404488.html


Don't like your parents. Call me and we will sue them in Court. :nod:

[CLW]

Anti-Obamacare Cancer Patient Defies Legal Threats

Democratic congressman dispatched lawyers, but Boonstra continues to speak

http://freebeacon.com/cancer-patient-defies-legal-threats-to-bash-obamacare/


Here is the ad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC2LlVyPPxQ

[CLW]

Mass. High Court: Subway Upskirt Photos Not Illegal
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/05/mass-high-court-subway-upskirt-photos-not-illegal/

That liberal democrat war on women continues....

[souljahbill]

Mass. High Court: Subway Upskirt Photos Not Illegal
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/03/05/mass-high-court-subway-upskirt-photos-not-illegal/

That liberal democrat war on women continues....

You're a lawyer. The dude got off on a technicality. You should appreciate it. Now, I'm sure, the legislature will fix the loophole so it's completely illegal. It's definitely immoral and completely unethical (and the dude should get his ass whooped by all the husbands/boyfriends/brothers/etc. of the women he violated) but the way the law is apparently written, not illegal.

[SmoothPancakes]

You're a lawyer. The dude got off on a technicality. You should appreciate it. Now, I'm sure, the legislature will fix the loophole so it's completely illegal. It's definitely immoral and completely unethical (and the dude should get his ass whooped by all the husbands/boyfriends/brothers/etc. of the women he violated) but the way the law is apparently written, not illegal.

:nod: Leave it to the Resident Troll to sit there doing his typical trolling and spin bullshit to try something and try and turn it into something anti-Democrats. Different day, same old tired shit by the Resident Troll.

[steelerfan]

Republican fucks dog as horrified Democrat neighbors watch.

http://tbo.com/news/crime/police-man-has-sex-with-dog-as-shocked-neighbors-watch-20140305/

[JBHuskers]

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Disgusted+faces+thread.+MFW+I+hear+kids+with+asper gers+talk_b8f8ee_4486416.gif

[CLW]

Obama Misspells ‘Respect’ While Praising Franklin Before White House Concert

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/07/obama-misspells-respect-while-praising-franklin-before-white-house-concert/

[JBHuskers]

I don't enough time to find all the things Bush fucked up with the vocabulary :D

[SmoothPancakes]

I don't enough time to find all the things Bush fucked up with the vocabulary :D

President Bush, could you say 'nuclear' for us?

:)

[CLW]

Got it. Bush = moron when he makes mistakes.

Mr. 59 states and RSPECT is a genious b/c he's black and a democrat thus he's untouchable.

[Stan HAMsen]

You don't think they're just pointing out that Sony fucks up too? You know, since all you ever post is that Microsoft is scumbags and their consoles don't sell because they suck.

Wait.

Am I in the right thread?

[SmoothPancakes]

You don't think they're just pointing out that Sony fucks up too? You know, since all you ever post is that Microsoft is scumbags and their consoles don't sell because they suck.

Wait.

Am I in the right thread?

Sony/PS4/Republicans, Microsoft/Xbox One/Democrats, it's all the same to him, so really any thread would work for your comment. :D

[SCClassof93]

President Bush, could you say 'nuclear' for us?

:)

I bet he knows "jobs" is not a three letter word :D

[CLW]

I bet he knows "jobs" is not a three letter word :D

Biden makes Bush look like a rocket scientist.

[cdj]

Malaysian Flight MH370: At the bottom of the Indian Ocean or sitting on a runway in some God-forsaken country? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579955/US-officials-convinced-two-separate-communications-systems-Malaysian-jet-DELIBERATELY-shut-14-minutes-apart-emerges-aircraft-pinging-FIVE-hours-vanished-flying.html)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/14/article-2579955-1C47505700000578-824_634x462.jpg

[JBHuskers]

Such a bizarre story.

[oweb26]

Unless that is one of the few planes to ever crash fully intact, wouldn't there be debris if it crashed in the ocean, I mean something has to be buoyant enough to float right?

[cdj]

Unless that is one of the few planes to ever crash fully intact, wouldn't there be debris if it crashed in the ocean, I mean something has to be buoyant enough to float right?

From what I understand, there could (should?) be some parts, perhaps rafts, part of wings, and possibly oil streaks.


Latest "theory" has it possibly landing on a small island (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?sr=tw031414malaysiaairlines9aVODtop):

Yet another theory is taking shape about what might have happened to missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Maybe it landed in a remote Indian Ocean island chain.

The suggestion -- and it's only that at this point -- is based on analysis of radar data revealed Friday by Reuters suggesting that the plane wasn't just blindly flying northwest from Malaysia. And it's just one of untold theories floating around about what might have happened to the airliner, which disappeared a week ago Friday without leaving much of a trace of where it had gone or why.

Reuters, citing unidentified sources familiar with the investigation, reported that whoever was piloting the vanished jet was following navigational waypoints that would have taken the plane over the Andaman Islands.

The radar data don't show the plane over the Andaman Islands but only on a known route that would take it there, Reuters cited its sources as saying.

The theory builds on earlier revelations by U.S. officials that an automated reporting system on the airliner was pinging satellites for hours after its last reported contact with air traffic controllers. U.S. investigators concluded that the pings didn't come from other planes, leading some investigators to think the plane flew on for hours before truly disappearing.

Taken together, the data point toward speculation in a dark scenario in which someone took the plane for some unknown purpose, perhaps terrorism.

The movie-plot theory seems more complicated and unlikely than one in which the plane -- its flight crew perhaps incapacitated -- simply flew on until it ran out of fuel or faced some other problem. But it's one that law enforcement has to check out, former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom said.

"You draw that arc, and you look at countries like Pakistan, you know, and you get into your 'Superman' novels, and you see the plane landing somewhere and (people) repurposing it for some dastardly deed down the road," he told CNN's Jake Tapper on Thursday.

Aviation experts say it's possible, if highly unlikely, that someone could have hijacked and landed the giant Boeing 777 undetected.

The international airport in Port Blair, the regional capital of the Andaman and Nicobar islands, has a runway that is long enough to accommodate a 777, according to publicly available data.

But the region is highly militarized because of its strategic importance to India, Indian officials with knowledge of the operation tell CNN, making it an unlikely target for pirates trying to sneak in an enormous airplane with a wingspan of more than 200 feet.

Denis Giles, editor of the Andaman Chronicle newspaper, says there's just nowhere to land such a big plane in his archipelago without attracting notice.

"There is no chance, no such chance, that any aircraft of this size can come towards Andaman and Nicobar Islands and land," he said.

The Malaysian government said Friday that it can't confirm the report.

And a senior U.S. official offered a conflicting account Thursday, telling CNN that "there is probably a significant likelihood" the plane is on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

[CLW]

That's a real "nice" part of the world to land in lots of "interesting" governments in that circle.

[CLW]

Compare:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAdrQ2RpdM

With:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvwS62yggd4


Hmmmmmmmmm..........

[souljahbill]

Plane goes missing #ThanksObama

[CLW]

Plane goes missing #ThanksObama

Yeah I think Obama put Biden on it. :nod:

[cdj]

The latest flight route:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/03/14/flight-mh370-map-update/57d38a9a9dfbe607e69182bedb599c86d6b56927/mh370-map-update-600.png

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show that the missing airliner climbed to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and turned sharply to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, showed that the plane then descended unevenly to 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang.

[cdj]

444750948120793089

[SmoothPancakes]

How many hours of fuel did it have?

[CLW]

How many hours of fuel did it have?

You presume too much. Who is to say it hasn't landed and refueled? For all we know the damn thing is just flying around the globe right now stopping every so often to fill up again.

[SmoothPancakes]

You presume too much. Who is to say it hasn't landed and refueled? For all we know the damn thing is just flying around the globe right now stopping every so often to fill up again.

That's actually exactly what I was wondering about. I wasn't presuming anything. I have no clue how many pounds of fuel (and therefore hours of fuel) a 777 carries. If it sure as hell wasn't 8 hours worth, then yeah, that thing had to of landed somewhere to fuel up. And if it did land and refuel somewhere, the why the hell hasn't anyone said anything about seeing it land and refuel? Some ground crew person had to be involved in refueling it, unless it landed at somewhere under private control. Either way, this whole situation is becoming more and more fucked up. What was originally an expected plane crash into the ocean, is now, who the hell even knows. One's guess is apparently as good as the next person's at this rate.

[steelerfan]

Now that I think of it ram hasn't posted anything in days, at least that I can recall. If you remember, a few months ago he posted a screenshot of his PC and you could see that he had tabs open for airplane schematics and some sort of chemicals/poisons.

I think he is involved.

[SmoothPancakes]

Now that I think of it ram hasn't posted anything in days, at least that I can recall. If you remember, a few months ago he posted a screenshot of his PC and you could see that he had tabs open for airplane schematics and some sort of chemicals/poisons.

I think he is involved.

I completely forgot about that. :D

[cdj]

How many hours of fuel did it have?

I thought it was originally reported that it had five or so, but now they are saying it had at least enough for the remaining six hours to Beijing. As is par for this story, no 'facts' ever get repeated more than once. A recent article says that it had to be nearing its fuel limit. (No kidding?)


And if it did land and refuel somewhere, the why the hell hasn't anyone said anything about seeing it land and refuel? Some ground crew person had to be involved in refueling it, unless it landed at somewhere under private control. Either way, this whole situation is becoming more and more fucked up. What was originally an expected plane crash into the ocean, is now, who the hell even knows. One's guess is apparently as good as the next person's at this rate.

I think that the right price (or cause) in this part of the world would lead to many turning a blind eye if they saw/knew what was happening. Hell, it still seems like some governments helped the 9/11 hijackers - hijacking this plane would be easier than that.

Who knows if honest, but some commenters on articles who claim to work in the airline industry say that the plane could be repurposed relatively quickly (repainted, gutted, etc.) and could fly anywhere, virtually undetected - just an unidentifiable blip on a radar. Others say that if it flew under another plane, it would be completely undetected. Their worst fear is that the plane would be used to take a dirty bomb wherever it is headed or become an ICBM.

Those kind of theories seem to be getting laughed at in articles (especially by the US - "silly movie plot!"), but I think western governments should be on edge until this plane is found. In the states, they should probably be more concerned about this plane paying us a visit than sending aid to the Ukraine, posturing for the 2014/2016 elections, putting spyware on everyone's computer, etc.

[steelerfan]

The US didn't give a shit about Ukraine (or any of Eastern Europe) in 1945, why start now?

I agree with the last paragraph of your post, cdj. Sadly though, no politician gives a shit about anything but his own personal gain. (I know you know that and weren't suggesting otherwise)

[souljahbill]

The US didn't give a shit about Ukraine (or any of Eastern Europe) in 1945, why start now?

I still don't think we give a shit about the Ukraine. I think our primary concern is Russia.

[steelerfan]

I still don't think we give a shit about the Ukraine. I think our primary concern is Russia.

Yep. That is the debt that the "Greatest Generation" left us. Too scared to fight a beleaguered Red Army in 1945 and we are still dealing with it 70 years later.

The US came back from WWII waving flags and proclaiming victory. However, the Allies doomed millions of Eastern Europeans to enslavement, starvation, persecution and death by handing them over to Stalin.

I would be willing to bet that a vast majority of those people couldn't care less that the Nazis were defeated. Their lives never got any better.

Sorry to drift off topic. Just something I know a bit about.

[CLW]

Russian Deputy PM Laughs at Obama’s Sanctions
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/03/russian-deputy-pm-laughs-at-obamas-sanctions/

[souljahbill]

So, what is the big deal about this situation anyway? The people in that area voted and said they want to be Russians. Why are we involved in this?

[steelerfan]

So, what is the big deal about this situation anyway? The people in that area voted and said they want to be Russians. Why are we involved in this?

You might want to familiarize yourself with Germany annexing Austria in 1938.

[morsdraconis]

The first thing in this thread that matters at all:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZlfIVEy_YOA

[skipwondah33]

Damn 30 years is a long time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/glenn-fords-first-days-of-freedom-after-30-years-on-death-row/284396/

[SCClassof93]

Damn 30 years is a long time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/03/glenn-fords-first-days-of-freedom-after-30-years-on-death-row/284396/

Real long when you are not guilty.

[cdj]

Military search planes flew over a remote part of the Indian Ocean on Thursday hunting for debris in "probably the best lead" so far in finding the missing Malaysia Airlines flight (http://news.yahoo.com/australia-checking-2-objects-search-plane-031712226--finance.html), officials said.

The four planes were checking to see if two large objects spotted in satellite imagery bobbing in the ocean were debris from Fight 370 that disappeared March 8 with 239 people on board.

Australian authorities said the first plane to reach the area was unable to locate the debris through clouds and rain, but that other planes would continue the hunt.

One of the objects spotted by satellite imagery was 24 meters (almost 80 feet) in length and the other was 5 meters (15 feet). There could be other objects in the area, a four-hour flight from Australia's southwestern coast, said John Young, manager of the Australian Maritime Safety Authority's emergency response division.

"This is a lead, it's probably the best lead we have right now," Young said. He cautioned that the objects could be seaborne debris along a shipping route where containers can fall off cargo vessels, although the larger object is longer than a container.

Young told a news conference in Canberra, Australia's capital, that planes had been sent to the area about 2,500 kilometers (1,550 miles) southwest of Perth to check on the objects. He said satellite images "do not always turn out to be related to the search even if they look good, so we will hold our views on that until they are sighted close-up."

[skipwondah33]

http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/family-in-texas-deadly-wreck-settles-some-cases

Wonder what these settlements will be

"affluenza"

I still chuckle at that

[cdj]

If I am reading this correctly, Cali has had 164 quakes/aftershocks in the last week (http://www.data.scec.org/recenteqs/Maps/Los_Angeles.html) with the majority in the last 48 hours. (For at least five minutes I debated on putting this in the TGT End of the World contingency plan thread.)

[psuexv]

If I am reading this correctly, Cali has had 164 quakes/aftershocks in the last week (http://www.data.scec.org/recenteqs/Maps/Los_Angeles.html) with the majority in the last 48 hours. (For at least five minutes I debated on putting this in the TGT End of the World contingency plan thread.)

Responding to this from my survival shelter.

I wonder if that's normal, I noticed most of them are very small.

[SmoothPancakes]

If I am reading this correctly, Cali has had 164 quakes/aftershocks in the last week (http://www.data.scec.org/recenteqs/Maps/Los_Angeles.html) with the majority in the last 48 hours. (For at least five minutes I debated on putting this in the TGT End of the World contingency plan thread.)

Yeah, there was 5.2 (if I remember right) overnight that was the top news on CBS Radio News this morning at work right before I went on air at 6am. They've been saying for years, that SoCal has been due for "the big one" for years now, decades even. Between the 164 quakes and aftershocks, plus the 5.2 last night, I'm wondering if that big one isn't coming.

[cdj]

Responding to this from my survival shelter.

I wonder if that's normal, I noticed most of them are very small.

I think there have been 100+ aftershocks following the recent bigger 4+ and 5+ quakes. If I lived out there, I would be concerned that the big one may be on the way.

[psuexv]

So I just googled it, looks like on average they have about 10,000 a year. Most of them small. Nothing to see here :)

[steelerfan]

So I just googled it, looks like on average they have about 10,000 a year. Most of them small. Nothing to see here :)

Damn it. :(

[CLW]

http://drudgereport.com/ous.jpg

Don't forget to pay the liberal lord and savior today for you procrastinators out there.

[CLW]

IRS AWARDS $1,000,000 in BONUSES TO 1,150 WHO OWE BACK TAXES

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRS_BONUSES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-04-22-16-25-14

[bdoughty]

This page is a 403, forbidden page

Oh noes, link no longer exists. Obama got to the AP again. First he takes our cattle and land and now he is taking our internet.

[CLW]

Supreme Court upholds ban on affirmative action in college admissions

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/supreme-court-upholds-ban-on-affirmative-action-in-college-admissions-105893.html#ixzz2zfClwSyz

[CLW]

Obama blames Founding Fathers’ ‘structural’ design of Congress for gridlock
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/23/obama-blames-structural-design-congress-gridlock/


Cannot Blame Bush all the time now so will go further back to those evil founding fathers. :nod:

[CLW]

BREAKING NEWS released by our Lord and Savior tonight. Apparently the Government hid some unknown moon landing mission for 6 years.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpxqsjECYAE7Yae.png

Then again still waiting on a full list of those 59 states

[bdoughty]

I wonder if President Obama used Photoshop or some other Graphic Designer? Wait a sec.. Doubt he ever saw it. Congrats on regurgitating the Drudge Report though.

[ram29jackson]

BREAKING NEWS released by our Lord and Savior tonight. Apparently the Government hid some unknown moon landing mission for 6 years.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpxqsjECYAE7Yae.png

Then again still waiting on a full list of those 59 states

women are equally paid enough statistically but when you leave work for cramps and children rearing you will make less money

[jaymo76]

BREAKING NEWS released by our Lord and Savior tonight. Apparently the Government hid some unknown moon landing mission for 6 years.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpxqsjECYAE7Yae.png

Then again still waiting on a full list of those 59 states


I'm not sure about the US but I was looking at a StatsCan link a few days back. In 2012 a Canadian MALE between the ages of 35-44 with a university degree averaged $82,000 per year before taxes and deductions. A woman of the same qualifications only made $70,000. Oh how far we have come...

[ram29jackson]

I'm not sure about the US but I was looking at a StatsCan link a few days back. In 2012 a Canadian MALE between the ages of 35-44 with a university degree averaged $82,000 per year before taxes and deductions. A woman of the same qualifications only made $70,000. Oh how far we have come...

whats wrong with that ? its pms deduction

[SmoothPancakes]

:fp:

[bdoughty]

women are equally paid enough statistically but when you leave work for cramps and children rearing you will make less money


http://i.imgur.com/3fATL08.gif

[ram29jackson]

lol with your liberal whining. Women don't do the same work the same way and if they are working mothers they are always gone from the office more than men. Its just how life works. No women are being fucking repressed/oppressed or enslaved.

stop complaining

[SmoothPancakes]

:fp: Just when you think the stupidity and dumbassery couldn't get any worse.

Don't you have socks to masturbate to and crappy uniforms to create?

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[bdoughty]

lol with your liberal whining. Women don't do the same work the same way and if they are working mothers they are always gone from the office more than men. Its just how life works. No women are being fucking repressed/oppressed or enslaved.

stop complaining

Really? You want to stick with "NO?"

http://i.imgur.com/vF1gk1N.gif

[ram29jackson]

Really? You want to stick with "NO?"

http://i.imgur.com/vF1gk1N.gif


what ever captain poor reading comprehension lol

I obviously mean within the American free realm of those in the work force

[ram29jackson]

:fp: Just when you think the stupidity and dumbassery couldn't get any worse.

Don't you have socks to masturbate to and crappy uniforms to create?

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:) Ive got like 3 free slots for teams on my ps3 but I'm all tapped of ideas lately.

waiting for that next heavily customizable sports game to come..................

[souljahbill]

:) Ive got like 3 free slots for teams on my ps3 but I'm all tapped of ideas lately.

waiting for that next heavily customizable sports game to come..................

Put a Sambo on a helmet and call them the Harlem Blackskins. It would be a honor to my people.

[ram29jackson]

Put a Sambo on a helmet and call them the Harlem Blackskins. It would be a honor to my people.

didn't the restaurant fold before you were born ? whats a towel head got to do with Harlem ? :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_gSvAoHjnktM/Sde38ydTvlI/AAAAAAAAAa8/pzDdc1w1UqM/s320/Sambo+and+Tiger.jpg

http://retrothing.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83452989a69e201310f8e07bf970c-800wi

[bdoughty]

what ever captain poor reading comprehension lol

I obviously mean within the American free realm of those in the work force


Sex Slaves/Trafficking in the US (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/20/politics/sex-trafficking-bills/). Of course you will come up with some asinine reason why they don't count.

[steelerfan]

I love a good internet argument about wages between 2 people who don't work.

:popcorn:

[bdoughty]

I love a good internet argument about wages between 2 people who don't work.

:popcorn:

I love when someone jumps into an argument and adds nothing to it other than take a cheap shot. I payed into Social Security for 20 years and worked my ass off. It's not like I asked for all the medical conditions that afflict me. Please rare disease that almost took my life, save me from having to build websites and do farm work.

But hey, enjoy your popcorn.

[ram29jackson]

Sex Slaves/Trafficking in the US (http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/20/politics/sex-trafficking-bills/). Of course you will come up with some asinine reason why they don't count.

again tree hugging redneck, it doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about.

who's in your avatar ?

you should look into catheter ablation I would think by now at least ?

[souljahbill]

Geez. Where's the love guys?

[bdoughty]

again tree hugging redneck, it doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about.

It does but you choose to ignore it. This is what happens when you make blanket statements.



who's in your avatar ?


Vlad Tepes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler)



you should look into catheter ablation I would think by now at least ?

That is the least of my concerns, the meds have been doing their job for my A-fib. My blood work is showing possible signs that my Wegener's is acting up and I might have to go back on Steroids and an Immunosuppressant, which throws my body out of whack.

[ram29jackson]

Geez. Where's the love guys?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDZBW-1P04&feature=kp

when I was a kid this was a slow rock song I didn't care for.

now I get the sappy melancholy feel from it and all but that guys voice makes me laugh a lot :D

dig the guitar at 2:35 duuuude

[CLW]

Interesting that it was 9-0 today AGAINST Obama's "recess" appointments. I knew they'd lose that one but shocked the entire liberal wing agreed. Maybe they know something I don't about 2016.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/us/supreme-court-president-recess-appointments.html

[CLW]

I wonder if I move to Mexico if I can sue businesses for not hiring me b/c I cannot speak Spanish?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/federal-gov-t-sues-wisconsin-company-says-english-language

[skipwondah33]

The language barrier would be the last thing I'd worry about living in Mexico...

[steelerfan]

I wonder if I move to Mexico if I can sue businesses for not hiring me b/c I cannot speak Spanish?

No.

That's what you get in a "melting pot" though.

No nationalism. No sense of national pride. No unity. No singleness of purpose. America.

Like a real-world Tower of Babel. :)

[SCClassof93]

No.

That's what you get in a "melting pot" though.

No nationalism. No sense of national pride. No unity. No singleness of purpose. America.

Like a real-world Tower of Babel. :)

Or the Balkans...............:(

[cdj]

I'm all in favor of a petition to eliminate petition websites. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQDip9V49U0

An in-flight Air New Zealand safety video, which had been branded sexist, has been replaced.

The film featured models dressed in bikinis demonstrating safety procedures with airline equipment.

Australian Natasha Young began a Change.org petition which called on the airline to stop using the video.

"This video completely disregards passengers who find it offensive," she said.

The petition against it got more than 11,000 signatures.

"A safety video is to alert passengers on what to do in an emergency; it should not be an excuse to objectify the sexualized female body," added Young.

The petition heard from concerned parents about their children's "impressionable nature", from people who found it difficult to watch because of "religious beliefs" and from people with body issues.

The women, seen relaxing around a pool and on a beach, are well known Sports Illustrated models like Christie Brinkley, Hannah Davis, Jessica Gomes, Ariel Meredith and Chrissy Teigen.

They show passengers what to do in an emergency situation.

Procedures include how to inflate a life vest and exit the plane.

In one shot two models are seen gazing at themselves in a mirror after putting on oxygen masks.

The four-minute video, uploaded to YouTube in February, has have been viewed more than 5.4 million times.

Air New Zealand insisting the removal of a video was a scheduled change.

A spokeswoman said: "We typically change out our safety videos every few months.

"As scheduled we began the process of phasing in the Bear Essentials of Safety video featuring Bear Grylls on our fleet around a week ago and this process is almost complete."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/28224422

[psuexv]

This can't be good http://www.wearecentralpa.com/story/d/story/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-ukraine/24664/GcgLvgjvrEmJYcLjEpIV2A


A Malaysian passenger airliner crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, according to a Ukrainian official.

An adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister says a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people has been shot down over a town in the east of the country. Anton Gerashenko says on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet when it was hit Thursday by a missile fired from a Buk launcher.
President Petro Poroshenko denied that Ukraine had any involvement in the plane crash.

CBS News has not confirmed that the plane was shot down.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed that it "has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow."

A source told Interfax that the Boeing 777 was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

A spokesman for Ukraine's Security Council said earlier on Thursday that an Air Force fighter jet had been struck and shot down by a missile fired from a Russian plane. Spokesman Andrei Lysenko said in a televised briefing that the pilot of the Sukhoi-25 jet was forced to bail from his craft after it was shot down Wednesday evening.

Rebels in conflict-wracked eastern Ukraine immediately claimed responsibility for downing the Antonov AN-26, but Ukrainian Defense Minister Valeriy Heletey said the rocket might have been fired from inside Russia.

Heletey said the plane was flying at an altitude of 21,300 feet, which he said was too high to be reached with the weapons used by the separatists fighting government troops.

According to the Interfax reports, MH17 was hit at close to normal cruising altitude for a passenger jet, around 30,000 feet. No shoulder-fired missile is capable of effectively targeting an aircraft at that altitude, lending credence to the reports that it might have been a military air defense type missile like the self-guided Buk system cited by the Russian news agency.

The NTSB, FAA and Boeing are all aware of the reports of the crashed Malaysian Airlines plane - they're still in the process of gathering information and don't have anything more to add at this time.

NTSB says that if this is a Boeing 777 plane, they would have stake in the investigation.

[jaymo76]

http://globalnews.ca/news/1456682/malaysian-plane-crashes-in-ukraine-reports/

More details on Malaysian Airline plane shot down in the Ukraine.

[JBHuskers]

Word it is on the airline as the FAA warned all airlines to not fly over Crimea.

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[psuexv]

Word it is on the airline as the FAA warned all airlines to not fly over Crimea.

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Yeah, dumb ass Malayasians.

[jaymo76]

The story of Arturo the Polar Bear and his terrible living conditions.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1456312/petition-wants-argentine-polar-bear-sent-to-canada-but-can-he-come/

Here is the online petition if anyone is interested. People are trying to bring him to Winnipeg.

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/please-allow-arturo-to-have-a-better-life-in-the-assiniboine-park-zoo-in-canada

[cdj]

Word it is on the airline as the FAA warned all airlines to not fly over Crimea.

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Foreign airlines aren't going to give a rip what the FAA says. Though they all should be smart enough to avoid that area. (However, if they avoided every area in the world where there is fighting, there'd be few planes in that part of the world.)

This is the third airplane to be shot down in that area over the past week, however I think those two combined for a handful of deaths. This plane going down actually makes it 'newsworthy.'

[souljahbill]

Yeah, plus it's another Malaysian Airline crash. They aren't having a good year.

[skipwondah33]

Man that's alot of people...295

[JBHuskers]

Foreign airlines aren't going to give a rip what the FAA says. Though they all should be smart enough to avoid that area. (However, if they avoided every area in the world where there is fighting, there'd be few planes in that part of the world.)

This is the third airplane to be shot down in that area over the past week, however I think those two combined for a handful of deaths. This plane going down actually makes it 'newsworthy.'

Maybe they should if their route is going over a volatile terrorist hotbed.

[skipwondah33]

http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2014/07/eric-garner-dies-chokehold-nypd?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily&utm_campaign=Daily%202014-07-18

Damn

[souljahbill]

http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2014/07/eric-garner-dies-chokehold-nypd?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily&utm_campaign=Daily%202014-07-18

Damn

I saw that on FB. Sad.

[SmoothPancakes]

Breaking: Robin Williams dead at age 63.

:( :( :( :( :(

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[jaymo76]

Breaking: Robin Williams dead at age 63.

:( :( :( :( :(

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Just heard. This is so very sad. The world today lost a very brilliant comedian and a very loving father. Depression is a very serious topic and WE as a society need to better understand how it works and what can be done to identify the symptoms and help those in need.

[GatorfanStovy]

no not robin williams so many great films I grew up with. Just what? :( :( ..

Why god ?

[souljahbill]

Just heard. This is so very sad. The world today lost a very brilliant comedian and a very loving father. Depression is a very serious topic and WE as a society need to better understand how it works and what can be done to identify the symptoms and help those in need.

Our society is so quick to judge brain issues. We go to doctors when we have issues with our heart or limbs or stomach yet if someone has a brain issue, we just call them crazy. People just don't understand how sensitive the brain is to chemical imbalances and too much or too little of a chemical can cause people to not be themselves.

[CLW]

Treyvon Martin 2.0

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/different-versions-of-the-encounter-that-led-to-a-fatal/article_29f84765-24f3-53bb-8ca3-77f780f79d8f.html

[bdoughty]

Treyvon Martin 2.0

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/different-versions-of-the-encounter-that-led-to-a-fatal/article_29f84765-24f3-53bb-8ca3-77f780f79d8f.html

One thing is for sure, Rev Al and Jessie will be there. I wonder if they are going to preach to those who took advantage of a tragic situation to loot and vandalize?

[CLW]

One thing is for sure, Rev Al and Jessie will be there. I wonder if they are going to preach to those who took advantage of a tragic situation to loot and vandalize?

Nope. Evidence starting to trickle in that the kid pushed the cop back into his car and tried to grab the cop's gun and apparently a shot was fired inside the police car during the struggle.

IF that story holds up the cop was indeed justified in using deadly force under the law as the kid was a fleeing felon and a risk to others in the community.

Of course, when the report comes out showing the kid's finger prints on the gun as well as the officer's what will the race bait types do then? No doubt they will argue the evidence has been faked and the morons ransacking rather nice malls and small business stores, gas stations etc... will carry on with their nonsense.

[CLW]

AL SHARPTON HEADS TO ST. LOUIS FOLLOWING RIOTS
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/12/After-Rioting-Al-Sharpton-Boards-Plane-For-St-Louis


Yep gotta make that money spewing nonsense and taking money mostly from people who have very little to give away to begin with.

[JeffHCross]

Nope. Evidence starting to trickle in that the kid pushed the cop back into his car and tried to grab the cop's gun and apparently a shot was fired inside the police car during the struggle.The biggest problem, so far, is that "evidence" in this case equals rumor. I've heard so many variations on what the story/evidence is that it's not even funny.

Plus, even if there was a shot fired during a struggle, the "witnesses" are alleging that the kid had stopped, put his hands up, and then was shot multiple times. We know the last part is at least true because the chief of the County police said it was "more than two".

Also, you're so late on this ... I posted a reference to it in the Can't Sleep thread Sunday night ;)

[gschwendt]

I'm not one to normally get all political but the shit happening in Ferguson, MO is getting out of control:

499720868633653248

Police firing rubber bullets and tear gas into a crowd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zApzDwjxfgs

[bdoughty]

I'm not one to normally get all political but the shit happening in Ferguson, MO is getting out of control:

Very scary stuff. Video of the arrest of a reporter. I realize there has to be a police presence due to the looting and such but it is turning into a police state.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/national/post-reporter-detained-in-ferguson/2014/08/13/b0fc5720-2354-11e4-8b10-7db129976abb_video.html

[bdoughty]

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/499756319822577664

The police are now retreating near the QuickTrip as sounds of gun shots fill the air. I'm not sure what is coming but police are screaming.



Protesters try to light a Molotov cocktail as police ready to advance in

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bu98q54CEAIeJEb.jpg

[JeffHCross]

Another fun night in STL. I thought the news was depressing before all this.

[gschwendt]

499753724605386752

[gschwendt]

To be fair and balanced, here is what the police are dealing with
http://imgur.com/a/QSRmH?gallery#o5aSkMu

That said, there's no reason to arrest reporters, prevent helicopters, etc. Even the Governor of Missouri today had to make a statement saying, "If people in the news media want to take pictures and cover stuff they ought to do it. We live in a free country".

[CLW]

All I will say is when the dumb press reporters are shot, robbed etc... by the mob they have no business complaining the police did not protect them.

Putting this crap on t.v. only glorifies rioting to the dumb masses in other cities so the next time there is an incident they feel wronged on they too will loot stores, throw Molotovs at the po po and destroy private property.

[SmoothPancakes]

I've never understood why fucking idiots feel the need to go around destroying and burning shit just because they're angry about something. Jesus fucking Christ. Send every single one of those ingrate fucks to prison or ship their ass off to a remote island and let them kill each other.

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[steelerfan]

I've never understood why fucking idiots feel the need to go around destroying and burning shit just because they're angry about something. Jesus fucking Christ. Send every single one of those ingrate fucks to prison or ship their ass off to a remote island and let them kill each other.

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They look for a reason to get free shit. The live for it. Typical.

[gschwendt]

They look for a reason to get free shit. The live for it. Typical.
What are you talking about? This guy is just getting his protest wine...

http://i.imgur.com/GNeq6O7.jpg

[jaymo76]

I've never understood why fucking idiots feel the need to go around destroying and burning shit just because they're angry about something. Jesus fucking Christ. Send every single one of those ingrate fucks to prison or ship their ass off to a remote island and let them kill each other.

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They look for a reason to get free shit. The live for it. Typical.

It really is disgusting. The way our modern society has become is quite a disgrace. Nobody takes responsibility; it's always someone else's fault; I can do what I want when I want; ... etc. If I ever saw my kid do something like that I would drive him to the police myself. Today, everyone is an "innocent victim." The parents will probably sue the person who took the picture!!! :fp:

We as a society no longer seem to have empathy.

[CLW]

It really is disgusting. The way our modern society has become is quite a disgrace. Nobody takes responsibility; it's always someone else's fault; I can do what I want when I want; ... etc. If I ever saw my kid do something like that I would drive him to the police myself. Today, everyone is an "innocent victim." The parents will probably sue the person who took the picture!!! :fp:

We as a society no longer seem to have empathy.

The root cause of this mentality is pretty easy to identify - but its a lost cause both here and to the public at large so why bother.

[bdoughty]

What are you talking about? This guy is just getting his protest wine...

It is showing my age that the first thing that annoyed me about the image was his sagging pants.

[CLW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

[souljahbill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

He hurt his point by acting stupid at times but as a black dude, I couldn't agree more.

[JeffHCross]

All I will say is when the dumb press reporters are shot, robbed etc... by the mob they have no business complaining the police did not protect them.Last night one of the local reporters was on location and there were gunshots heard. A police officer recommended they leave, which they did. I don't think any reporter would take issue with the police trying to protect them. But to order them to pack up in the middle of the day, in a McDonalds, with little to no dialogue on why they were being asked to leave, that's a completely different situation.

This isn't Fallujah. The protesters have shown no intent, that I've heard of or observed, to injure, intimidate, or interfere with any member of the media. Forcing, not asking, them to move under no threat is irrational.


We as a society no longer seem to have empathy.Agreed. These events just reinforce that.

[JeffHCross]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6UOnly listened to the first 30 seconds or so (I imagine the rest of it is pretty much the same thing over and over), but he's spot on. Regardless of what your skin color is, it's spot on.

[jaymo76]

I haven't followed the Michael Brown story too closely but I thought this article from AP was very informative.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-missouri-teen-was-suspect-in-cigar-robbery-1.2737306

[CLW]

I haven't followed the Michael Brown story too closely but I thought this article from AP was very informative.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-missouri-teen-was-suspect-in-cigar-robbery-1.2737306

And now the law....

Assuming this story is true the officer was justified in using deadly force when the suspects attacked him and attempted to take his gun (assault of an officer and attempted murder of a police officer).

At that point they were fleeing felons who had shown on 2 prior occasions on that day their propensity for violence: #1 robbery by force at the store; #2 physically attacking the police officer and trying to kill him with his gun.

http://www.abc17news.com/news/attempting-to-take-an-officers-weapon-can-warrant-deadly-force/27485056


you think the riots are bad now just wait when the either the officer is cleared of all wrong doing or he is found not guilty.

[CLW]

Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.

563.046.

1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.


2. The use of any physical force in making an arrest is not justified under this section unless the arrest is lawful or the law enforcement officer reasonably believes the arrest is lawful.


3. A law enforcement officer in effecting an arrest or in preventing an escape from custody is justified in using deadly force only


(1) When such is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or


(2) When he reasonably believes that such use of deadly force is immediately necessary to effect the arrest and also reasonably believes that the person to be arrested


(a) Has committed or attempted to commit a felony; or


(b) Is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon; or


(c) May otherwise endanger life or inflict serious physical injury unless arrested without delay.


4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section

Missouri statute on the issue. Brown committed a felony (assault/attempted murder of officer) possibly used the officer's gun (deadly weapon) to escape and was a danger to others life or physical injury (already assaulted the store worker and police officer that day and those things tend to escalate quickly).

[skipwondah33]

Haven't followed the story, just hearing about since G posted honestly.

Did here of this story though. Haven't followed it either though or the investigation

https://news.vice.com/article/video-asthmatic-man-dies-after-being-put-into-chokehold-by-nypd

[bdoughty]

I haven't followed the Michael Brown story too closely but I thought this article from AP was very informative.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/michael-brown-shooting-missouri-teen-was-suspect-in-cigar-robbery-1.2737306

I am not saying anyone deserves to be shot but there is a reason the family did not want the tape released. He comes of as a common thug. Just taking what he wanted and bullying the store clerk as he walk out.

[JeffHCross]

Missouri statute on the issue. Brown committed a felony (assault/attempted murder of officer) possibly used the officer's gun (deadly weapon) to escape and was a danger to others life or physical injury (already assaulted the store worker and police officer that day and those things tend to escalate quickly).What about the part above what you bolded. "Is immediately necessary to effect the arrest".

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that means you don't need to shoot an unarmed, non-resisting man between three and eight times.

Also, in your previous post when you mentioned that they had previously committed a felony, jaymo's link, contains a quote from the Ferguson Police Chief that admits the officer knew nothing about the robbery when he approached Brown. So he didn't have any proof of any previous act at that time. Unless walking while black was the previous crime.

Sorry if I sound pissed off or like I'm singling you out, but this has been a long week, and seeing this story dominate the headlines, both locally and nationally, hasn't made it any better. Especially when some of my co-workers have fundamentally missed the point of what's going on, being protested, etc.

[gschwendt]

In regards to the fact that the officer didn't know Brown was involved in the robbery earlier in the day, that doesn't take into account the fact that Brown may have not known why the officer was confronting them. The two teens were walking in the middle of the street and the officer asked them to move... it's highly possible that Brown thought the officer was confronting them due to the robbery. Obviously that's pure speculation and no one will know, but if the reports of him wrestling with the officer are true, that's probably what sparked it... Brown thought he was fighting to stay out of jail.

At the end of the day, it's unfortunate. But how both sides have handled it since then have been atrocious.

[steelerfan]

Another thug off the streets and, better yet, not wasting tax dollars in prison. Good riddance.

[JeffHCross]

At the end of the day, it's unfortunate. But how both sides have handled it since then have been atrocious.Agreed. And it bothers me to see a lot of it done by the County Police, the same group that is charged with protecting me and mine.

One positive last night. There were more looters and troublemakers out last night, mostly young people unfortunately, but protesters and a local politician were among the group that stood in their way and put a stop to it. Police were not involved in ending that looting. If the people of Ferguson start talking more responsibility for stopping the troublemakers in the area from destroying their own neighborhoods, good for them. Maybe this story will get back to being about the protesting and not the chaos and violence.

[CLW]

What about the part above what you bolded. "Is immediately necessary to effect the arrest".

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that means you don't need to shoot an unarmed, non-resisting man between three and eight times.

Also, in your previous post when you mentioned that they had previously committed a felony, jaymo's link, contains a quote from the Ferguson Police Chief that admits the officer knew nothing about the robbery when he approached Brown. So he didn't have any proof of any previous act at that time. Unless walking while black was the previous crime.

Sorry if I sound pissed off or like I'm singling you out, but this has been a long week, and seeing this story dominate the headlines, both locally and nationally, hasn't made it any better. Especially when some of my co-workers have fundamentally missed the point of what's going on, being protested, etc.

Wrong.

It has come out that the officer didn't know about the robbery - but that doesn't matter b/c Brown was still a fleeing violent felon.

The facts appear to be - The officer told the kids to get out of the middle of the street (jaywalking = misdemeanor). The kids apparently refused and at least one of them (presumably Brown) attacked the officer. Once Brown pushed the officer and tried to grab the officer's gun (and potentially even fired the gun in the car during the struggle) he became a violent felon and the officer certainly knew that (assault/attempted murder of a police officer is certainly a felony). Moreover to call Brown "non-resisting" lacks any credibility considering the facts the investigation has brought forth so far (i.e. struggle in the car and a shot fired).

Presumably after struggling for the gun (and losing that attempt) he ran attempting to escape (after all why else do you run from the po po). Thus the shooting became "immediately necessary" due to the distance Brown (the violent felon) had put between himself and the officer.

Bottom line, you comply with an officer's commands and you CERTAINLY NEVER touch a police officer and try to grab his gun. Brown just got what was coming to him. It is as simple as that.

[SCClassof93]

Another thug off the streets and, better yet, not wasting tax dollars in prison. Good riddance.

It is people like you, you know, folks with jobs that give a bad name to our entitled thugs, rioters, losers and my favorite protesters . If you would just quit working you would have way more time to seize upon opportunities to steal and rob from dumbasses with jobs...............

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[gschwendt]

Supposedly a Ferguson shop owner today after people were looting his store last night.
http://i.imgur.com/dFrTvrU.jpg

[SmoothPancakes]

With all the rioting and looting and destruction of property going on there, I don't blame that guy one bit (if that is a Ferguson store owner). I'd be doing the same thing to protect my business and my products for sale from a rampage of wild asses.

[JeffHCross]

Wrong.

It has come out that the officer didn't know about the robbery - but that doesn't matter b/c Brown was still a fleeing violent felon.

The facts appear to be - The officer told the kids to get out of the middle of the street (jaywalking = misdemeanor). The kids apparently refused and at least one of them (presumably Brown) attacked the officer. Once Brown pushed the officer and tried to grab the officer's gun (and potentially even fired the gun in the car during the struggle) he became a violent felon and the officer certainly knew that (assault/attempted murder of a police officer is certainly a felony). Moreover to call Brown "non-resisting" lacks any credibility considering the facts the investigation has brought forth so far (i.e. struggle in the car and a shot fired).

Presumably after struggling for the gun (and losing that attempt) he ran attempting to escape (after all why else do you run from the po po). Thus the shooting became "immediately necessary" due to the distance Brown (the violent felon) had put between himself and the officer.You have ignored the "fact" that witnesses have reported that Brown was not fleeing when shot, but was instead facing the officer with his hands up. This is why the protesters have been shouting "Hands up, don't shoot". This suggests, strongly, that it was not necessary or time-critical to shoot Brown. Especially "more than two" times (quote from County Police chief).

Also, regarding the "facts" of the case: Ferguson Police Chief's Story on Michael Brown Keeps Evolvoing at http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/08/ferguson-police-to-release-the-name-of-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/376130/ (I have no idea what The Wire is as a news source, but the article headline caught my eye. This story has changed way too many times for my liking.)

[JeffHCross]

Grantland's first hand account from Ferguson: http://grantland.com/features/ferguson-missouri-protest-michael-brown-murder-police/

[CLW]

You have ignored the "fact" that witnesses have reported that Brown was not fleeing when shot, but was instead facing the officer with his hands up. This is why the protesters have been shouting "Hands up, don't shoot". This suggests, strongly, that it was not necessary or time-critical to shoot Brown. Especially "more than two" times (quote from County Police chief).

Also, regarding the "facts" of the case: Ferguson Police Chief's Story on Michael Brown Keeps Evolvoing at http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/08/ferguson-police-to-release-the-name-of-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/376130/ (I have no idea what The Wire is as a news source, but the article headline caught my eye. This story has changed way too many times for my liking.)

That's b/c their "story" smells to high heaven and its only a matter of time before their lies fall apart....

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

[JeffHCross]

That's b/c their "story" smells to high heaven and its only a matter of time before their lies fall apart....

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/My point is that there's a lot of fishy, inconsistent shit going on. And the Ferguson police have fumbled the release of information from the start.

There was another officer-involved shooting two nights later in the same area. It was quickly reported that there was a weapon either shown to or pointed at the officer involved. As far as I've seen, no one has so much as grumbled about that one.

BTW, going back to an earlier post of yours, as of Friday the police were still not willing to say that Brown was the one that was allegedly in the car reaching for the weapon. So while it's understandable to assume that, given the situation, the fact that they don't know it for sure just adds to the problem of the circumstances being utterly unclear.

[bdoughty]

In this day and age I am still surprised nobody got cellphone footage of the incident.

[JeffHCross]

In this day and age I am still surprised nobody got cellphone footage of the incident.Not to continue picking on the Ferguson police, but "in this day and age", I can't believe that they didn't have (and allegedly can't afford) dash cameras in their police cars. At least one report has said that they have them but can't afford to install them.

[bdoughty]

Not to continue picking on the Ferguson police, but "in this day and age", I can't believe that they didn't have (and allegedly can't afford) dash cameras in their police cars. At least one report has said that they have them but can't afford to install them.

Thanks (insert politician of your choice here)! If they had not bought the cameras, I would almost be thankful that some bureaucrat did not just spend a bunch of taxpayers money they did not have. In this case it is even worse to actually purchase the cameras without money in the budget to install them.

[ram29jackson]

Supposedly a Ferguson shop owner today after people were looting his store last night.
http://i.imgur.com/dFrTvrU.jpg

is that JB ?

[skipwondah33]

He would have to drop one of those to be able to fire it accurately and not shoot a bunch of other things that he didn't intend to fire at

Know it was more for making a statement but owning two assault rifles (appears to be a 2nd) and not having a shoulder strap for one or both is a travesty. This isn't Call of Duty.

[steelerfan]

is that JB ?
Which one? Guns or paper towels?

[SmoothPancakes]

Which one? Guns or paper towels?

Well, JB does "work" at a strip club, I'm voting on paper towels. :D

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[CLW]

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Looks like the story being made up by Brown's "allies" is about to blow up (if it hasn't already after the autopsy revealed he was NOT shot in the back).

[SmoothPancakes]

How it always ends up being. "He was such a young ans innocent sweet boy. He'd never do anything wrong."

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[steelerfan]

How it always ends up being. "He was such a young ans innocent sweet boy. He'd never do anything wrong."

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Yep.

When I was like 20, I buried an HIV+ guy that was about my age and who was shot by the cops because he pointed a gun at them. His friends and family tried to say that he was going to hand the gun to the cops (he was at a party, cops were called, they made someone else drop the gun and he picked it up).

Obviously, they played Wind Beneath My Wings at the funeral, lol. I remember thinking, "Some hero. HIV+ and shot dead by the police".

Anyway, he was white so there was no need to riot.

[skipwondah33]

That is how it is when alot of people pass, especially celebrities

[CLW]

As a lawyer you wouldn't believe some of the crap people try to pull. I can only imagine how bad it is in criminal law.

One of my favorite cases of all-time was a slip an alleged slip and fall case. Guy claimed he needed back surgery despite the fact all of the MRIs x-rays etc... said his back was perfectly fine.

Of course, he (and Plaintiff's counsel) didn't know we had video from this alleged fall where the guy literally looked around to see if anyone is watching and then just laid down and smacked the floor with his arm and screamed bloody murder.

The best part is the kicker, the Plaintiff's attorney found some quack doctor willing to open him up in surgery and now he's paralyzed from the surgery from the waist down and after losing his case against my client of course filed malpractice claims against his lawyer and doctor.