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cdj
06-20-2012, 06:42 PM
From Kotaku: How Long Can NCAA Remain Above the Anger Against Madden? (http://kotaku.com/5920052/how-long-can-ncaa-remain-above-the-anger-against-madden)

Both are made by EA Sports. Both are American football titles. Both are made under exclusive license, and both come out every year.

Speak the name of NCAA Football, and no one brings up NCAA College Football 2K3. But say anything about Madden, and every gamer with a commenting account starts chanting for the ultimate clipboard quarterback, NFL 2K5, which hasn't thrown a pass in eight years.

It's not like NCAA Football is pristine in forum threads and Internet comments. Whoever screwed up, this year's game won't have the University of South Alabama in its debut season of major college football. A forum thread on Operation Sports this week chewed out NCAA for having an old version of Ohio University's costumed mascot. The fact NCAA won't be implementing real-time physics in its collisions, but Madden will, has rankled some in the game's hardcore base, and was a topic of deep concern to EA Sports' marketers as they planned their E3 rollout.

Yet in the long run, NCAA Football still scores better in reviews and in community reaction, despite being made under the same conditions—and using the same game engine—that Madden does.

Why is that? I asked EA Sports' general manager for American football.

"I think Dynasty and Online Dynasty have been shining stars for NCAA in the past several years, and those are modes that have been played heavily by our hardest core fans," Cam Weber told me at E3.

And he's right—mostly because of the unique approach to personnel management that NCAA Football must take. The draft is the NFL's most interesting personnel feature, and only last year did it truly get a full treatment, in its live draft and in-season scouting. NCAA Football has, for years, had to approximate the promises-only sales pitch a college coach makes to refresh a talent base that turns over completely every four classes. It's much more intriguing than trying to guess a game's free agency or trade logic.

NCAA's Dynasty has done a solid job on player acquisition overall, where Madden's attention to Franchise has often been split or cut by needs in other game modes to serve a much larger installation base. Madden, for all the criticism hurled at it, still is a Top 10 seller at retail; NCAA is not.

"I think the NCAA team has spent more times over the years really focusing on the core elements of their game," Webber said. "I think the Madden team has tried to work on a lot of features to satisfy a very large audience that's been kind of split over time."

Weber has a point. There's nothing like TeamBuilder, which has been around for three years now, in Madden NFL. The game's "Connected Careers" mode, with web-enabled content and league administration features, might finally bridge the gap. A virtual Twitter feed—which sounds ridiculous at first, but I'm sure will be hilarious once Fake Skip Bayless starts opining on my handling of Philip Rivers—supplies the same kind of metastory that NCAA does in generating game stories for online Dynasty leagues.

In the end, it'll be the gameplay that pushes one of these sibling rivals ahead of the other. Both are served by the same gameplay engine; both have the same upgrades in passing animations, defender behavior, and quarterback release times. Only Madden will implement them with a real-time physics component, the greatest difference in gameplay these two games have ever seen.

It might be disappointing for NCAA fans. But I'm sure Weber would rather hear NCAA judged short of Madden, than another year of everyone waving NFL 2K5's bloody shirt against the Caesar of EA Sports.

jaymo76
06-20-2012, 07:10 PM
This wasn't my feeling a few weeks ago, but since all the concerns with CCM in Madden have arisen, I think that NCAA FOOTBALL 13 will be head and shoulders above Madden 13. The NCAA team has put together a solid offering and I am counting down the days to July 7th and my season pass for NCAA 13.

JeffHCross
06-20-2012, 08:49 PM
Interesting article. I think there are some other factors at play when comparing NCAA and Madden through review scores and community impressions. But anybody who brought up College Football 2k3 would be laughed off the forums. In fact, Owen's only half right about that. A lot of the people who call for the resurrection of NFL 2k5 also call for 2k to take over the college football license. They're oblivious to how bad College Football 2k3 was.

baseballplyrmvp
06-21-2012, 12:44 AM
A forum thread on Operation Sports this week chewed out NCAA for having an old version of Ohio University's costumed mascot.

:fp:

figures....they're the only place who would care about such a thing.

oweb26
06-21-2012, 05:40 AM
This wasn't my feeling a few weeks ago, but since all the concerns with CCM in Madden have arisen, I think that NCAA FOOTBALL 13 will be head and shoulders above Madden 13. The NCAA team has put together a solid offering and I am counting down the days to July 7th and my season pass for NCAA 13.

Is it the 6th or 7th? I checked around last week and I think it said the 6th I could be mistaken though.

CLW
06-21-2012, 09:17 AM
Well I am not/was not happy about physics making Madden but not NCAA but in the end the article is right. Dynasty and Online Dynasty are MUCH better than anything Madden has for a career mode. Plus I think the NCAA and Madden "core" base are slightly different.

AustinWolv
06-21-2012, 10:15 AM
TeamBuilder
I guess I'm just still surprised that is seen as an advantage. I have yet to use it or be interested in it.

Dynasty and Online Dynasty is where NCAA took off.

Not thrilled about the lack of RTP for NCAA, but the other aspects they've worked on are big-time.

SmoothPancakes
06-21-2012, 03:12 PM
I guess I'm just still surprised that is seen as an advantage. I have yet to use it or be interested in it.

Dynasty and Online Dynasty is where NCAA took off.

Not thrilled about the lack of RTP for NCAA, but the other aspects they've worked on are big-time.

Well, I haven't seriously played Madden outside of a couple days per version for the quick and easy achievements, but I remember creating a team in Madden in the past sucked. The options for stuff sucked, teams usually looks like crap based on the options they gave you, it was a complete waste. At least with teambuilder, you can truly customize your teams with logos, colors, various equipment and jersey/helmet styles, stadiums, etc.

As for the other discussions in here about CCM, I'm gonna say right now, I hope to god CCM NEVER gets implemented into NCAA. After seeing all the shit they took out of Madden this year because of CCM being implemented, I will NEVER support a CCM type mode in NCAA. Keep RTG, Heisman mode, all that shit separate. If I want to play a dynasty online, I'll play online dynasty. Otherwise, I want my dynasty completely offline and JUST a dynasty without RTG and Heisman shit mixed in. Screw this combined mode crap in NCAA.

morsdraconis
06-21-2012, 03:21 PM
Well, I haven't seriously played Madden outside of a couple days per version for the quick and easy achievements, but I remember creating a team in Madden in the past sucked. The options for stuff sucked, teams usually looks like crap based on the options they gave you, it was a complete waste. At least with teambuilder, you can truly customize your teams with logos, colors, various equipment and jersey/helmet styles, stadiums, etc.

The stadiums sucked and the console version of the create-a-team stuff blew, but the PC version of Madden '06 and '07 were pretty decent with their customization options. Nothing as good as choosing the stadium, uniform style, helmet style, or anything like Teambuilder does though.

AustinWolv
06-21-2012, 04:30 PM
[quote]I remember creating a team in Madden in the past sucked. The options for stuff sucked, teams usually looks like crap based on the options they gave you, it was a complete waste. At least with teambuilder, you can truly customize your teams with logos, colors, various equipment and jersey/helmet styles, stadiums, etc.[=/quote]
Could care less about Madden's custom team stuff either. :)
So one being easier or being more detailed than the other doesn't register on my care-o-meter.

JeffHCross
06-21-2012, 11:53 PM
Could care less about Madden's custom team stuff either. :)
So one being easier or being more detailed than the other doesn't register on my care-o-meter.True, though for me Teambuilder was a big deal (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?658-1995-Ohio-State-Buckeyes). I guess what surprises me about it is that Madden still doesn't have anything similar. I would have thought they'd ape it pretty quickly. Their Create-A-Team leaves a lot to be desired (though it does have a couple advantages over Teambuilder on its own).

jaymo76
06-22-2012, 01:10 AM
Is it the 6th or 7th? I checked around last week and I think it said the 6th I could be mistaken though.

oh you're right, it's the evening of the 6th. This day just got even better!

beartide06
06-22-2012, 02:57 AM
oh you're right, it's the evening of the 6th. This day just got even better!

I was just going to mention this to you. It actually says the 6th. Now, does that mean 12:01 on the 6th, or that you can start downloading at about 9pm on the 6th and it will be finished downloading by 12:01 the 7th?

ram29jackson
06-22-2012, 02:32 PM
Anger against Madden ?

They'll have record sales like usual

jaymo76
06-23-2012, 12:25 PM
I was just going to mention this to you. It actually says the 6th. Now, does that mean 12:01 on the 6th, or that you can start downloading at about 9pm on the 6th and it will be finished downloading by 12:01 the 7th?

I don't remember the exact times. I know on PS3 that it is usually later in the day... after 6pm I think. I'm not sure what time 360 releases but I suspect it would be similar.

I OU a Beatn
06-23-2012, 03:42 PM
I was just going to mention this to you. It actually says the 6th. Now, does that mean 12:01 on the 6th, or that you can start downloading at about 9pm on the 6th and it will be finished downloading by 12:01 the 7th?

5am EST on Friday for 360, sometime later that evening for PS3 is when you can start downloading. At least that's how it was on all the other early EA Sports titles.

OptionMasta
06-26-2012, 11:38 AM
There should be anger for both games, and there is. Apparently whoever writes for Kotaku doesn't know where to find it.

Both games are based on the same engine and that engine sucks. They haven't truly put out a good game this generation of systems. When they try to fix something they end up breaking something else anyway which leads to patches doing more harm than good.

And what do we get instead of fixed gameplay? Heisman mode (or whatever it's called). Seriously? That's what we need in this game right now? How about a physics system that ensures a 150 lb punter can't play OT and pancake a 290 lb DE?

So, yeah...there's anger. Kotaku just doesn't know where to look or is being obstructed from finding it from the EA hype machine.

skipwondah33
06-27-2012, 09:08 AM
And what do we get instead of fixed gameplay? Heisman mode (or whatever it's called). Seriously? That's what we need in this game right now? How about a physics system that ensures a 150 lb punter can't play OT and pancake a 290 lb DE? Yep

Which is why Connected Careers and Roster editing in Madden is not a concern for me. I'd rather see this and other important gameplay fixes done before I care about the two things there is an uproar about.

Same in NCAA.