Team Ratings and Top 25 in NCAA Football 13

[gschwendt]

Courtesy Tradition Sports
http://forums.traditionsportsonline.com/threads/ncaa-13-team-ratings.78725/



Team
Overall
Offense
Defense
Prestige (http://forums.traditionsportsonline.com/tags/prestige/)



Air Force
75
75
74
3



Akron
63
67
61
1



Alabama
97
92
95
6



Arizona
83
81
84
3



Arizona State
85
84
80
3



Arkansas
95
95
87
5



Arkansas State
81
86
74
2



Army
73
75
71
1



Auburn
93
89
91
6



BYU
89
89
84
4



Ball State
73
77
71
2



Baylor
87
88
84
3



Boise State
89
89
82
5



Boston College
85
83
86
3



Bowling Green
75
75
76
2



Buffalo
71
75
69
1



Cal
85
89
76
3



Central Michigan
73
77
69
2



Cincinnati
89
84
87
3



Clemson
97
95
91
5



Colorado
83
80
82
2



Colorado State
83
81
80
2



UConn
83
83
80
3



Duke
83
84
78
2



ECU
83
80
82
2



Eastern Michigan
77
78
73
1



FIU
85
83
82
1



Florida
91
84
93
6



FAU
60
60
63
1



Florida State
97
92
95
5



Fresno State
87
89
78
2



Georgia
97
95
91
5



Georgia Tech
87
86
84
4



Hawaii
79
78
80
2



Houston
87
84
86
3



Idaho
65
64
67
1



Illinois
83
81
82
3



Indiana
77
77
76
2



Iowa
91
89
89
4



Iowa State
83
81
82
2



Kansas
79
80
76
2



Kansas State
91
92
86
3



Kent State
71
69
74
1



Kentucky
83
83
80
2



LSU
99
92
97
6



La Tech
81
81
78
1



Louisville
87
84
86
3



Marshall
73
75
71
2



Maryland
85
80
87
3



Memphis
61
66
60
1



Miami (FL)
91
88
89
5



Miami (OH)
79
80
74
2



Michigan
97
94
91
6



Michigan State
93
89
89
4



MTSU
65
70
61
1



Minnesota
77
75
76
2



Mississippi State
87
84
86
3



Missouri
89
89
84
4



North Carolina State
91
89
87
3



Navy
77
77
76
3



Nebraska
91
91
87
5



Nevada
83
83
80
3



New Mexico
65
64
69
1



New Mexico State
65
70
60
1



North Carolina
91
89
87
4



North Texas
69
70
69
1



NIU
79
78
76
2



Northwestern
87
86
84
3



Notre Dame
97
94
95
6



Ohio
81
81
80
2



Ohio State
95
89
95
6



Oklahoma
97
95
93
6



Oklahoma State
95
92
91
5



Ole Miss
83
81
84
2



Oregon
99
94
95
6



Oregon State
79
81
76
2



Penn State
89
86
89
5



Pitt
85
89
76
3



Purdue
87
84
84
3



Rice
73
75
73
2



Rutgers
87
83
87
3



SMU
89
89
84
3



San Diego State
83
84
76
3



San Jose
73
75
73
1



South Carolina
95
92
91
4



Southern Miss
83
81
80
2



Stanford
93
91
89
5



Syracuse
81
83
78
3



TCU
93
94
87
5



Temple
81
83
78
2



Tennessee
89
88
84
4



Texas
99
91
99
6



Texas A&M
93
92
87
4



Texas State
65
67
65
1



Texas Tech
87
89
82
3



Toledo
83
81
80
2



Troy
73
74
73
2



Tulane
65
69
63
1



Tulsa
91
89
86
2



UAB
65
69
65
1



UCF
85
84
82
3



UCLA
87
88
82
2



UL Lafayette
77
81
71
1



UL Monroe
69
74
65
1



UMass
60
61
61
1



UNLV
63
67
61
2



USC
99
99
91
6



USF
81
80
80
3



UTEP
75
74
76
2



UTSA
63
66
63
1



Utah
95
92
91
4



Utah State
75
78
73
1



Vanderbilt
77
80
74
2



Virginia
89
88
84
3



Virginia Tech
95
88
99
5



Wake Forest
81
84
76
2



Washington
93
92
86
4



Washington State
79
83
74
1



West Virginia
87
91
76
4



Western Kentucky
73
74
73
1



Western Michigan
77
78
74
1



Wisconsin
99
97
95
5



Wyoming
79
78
80
2




Preliminary Top 25 via video from Tradition Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGgVl9mL3Q&feature=player_embedded)

1. Alabama
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Georgia
7. Arkansas
8. Florida State
9. Michigan
10. West Virginia
11. South Carolina
12. Michigan State
13. Kansas State
14. Clemson
15. Virginia Tech
16. Wisconsin
17. TCU
18. Ohio State
19. Nebraska
20. Stanford
21. Boise State
22. Texas
23. Oklahoma State
24. Notre Dame
25. Florida

[morsdraconis]

How the fuck is WVU's offense rated BELOW their defense? Are these guys watching WVU circa 1999 or some shit?

[oweb26]

Who does Wisconsin have back that they get a 99 offense?

[I OU a Beatn]

Florida a 91 on offense? LOL, do they know something I don't? I hope. :D

[psuexv]

Who does Wisconsin have back that they get a 99 offense?

Ball, that's about it.

[psuexv]

I can't believe Notre Dame is a 97 :dunno:

[SmoothPancakes]

Holy fucking overeager EA ratings team batman!

Clemson 97-96-91? 97-92-95 for Florida State? 97 for Georgia on offense? Texas 99-91-99? Wisconsin 99-97-95? Ugh, 99 offense for Oregon, along with 94-95 Defense-Special Teams and USC with 99-99 offense/defense and 91 special teams, I wonder who will be the popular teams online (*cough* LSU/Oregon/USC *cough*).

Looking at it, 32 teams with 90+ Offense scores. :fp:

[psuexv]

Hard to believe that LSU's offense is a 99 and the defense is only a 92

[morsdraconis]

These team ratings are ATROCIOUS.

EVERYONE is overrated and it's retarded.

[oweb26]

Yeah they are pretty bad even on EA's standard. Glad I play dynasty we will be through season one in about a week once the game drops.

[Geauxlden]

Hard to believe that LSU's offense is a 99 and the defense is only a 92

Yep, not sure what went in to the thinking there.

[psuexv]

LOL, Umass doesn't have any prestige?

[gschwendt]

LOL, Umass doesn't have any prestige?I'm sure they're a 1-star.

[cts]

Even as a UW homer, a 92 DEF rating is WAY too high. Last season was an atrocity on that side of the ball for us. Resulting in basically the entire D staff getting the boot, and a whole new scheme being brought in.

I'm good with the OFF being a 93, though. Keith Price should be able to continue what he started last year.

[psuexv]

I'm sure they're a 1-star.

I agree, just kind of funny seeing it blank

[JBHuskers]

I just looked at these ratings....something HAS to be jacked up here.

[psuexv]

I just looked at these ratings....something HAS to be jacked up here.

Yeah they're pretty unrealistic, IMO

[Noles94]

Holy fucking overeager EA ratings team batman!

Clemson 97-96-91? 97-92-95 for Florida State? 97 for Georgia on offense? Texas 99-91-99? Wisconsin 99-97-95? Ugh, 99 offense for Oregon, along with 94-95 Defense-Special Teams and USC with 99-99 offense/defense and 91 special teams, I wonder who will be the popular teams online (*cough* LSU/Oregon/USC *cough*).

Looking at it, 32 teams with 90+ Offense scores. :fp:

The FSU ratings should be flipped. A 97 D I could buy. But a 97 O? No way. Our o-line is all band-aids and mashed potatoes. And I'm not sold on EJ. It should be a 92 at best, 90 at worst. Miami is a 6 star program according to this, while we are a 5. Wondering what that separation is based on. Not recent history. One more Cane hired to the Dev staff to tip the balance in their favor over the
FSU devs? Joking, but really scratching my head over that.

[cts]

These team ratings are ATROCIOUS.

EVERYONE is overrated and it's retarded.
I feel like this is a problem with the rosters as a whole. It's been discussed many places that there needs to be a much larger spread in ratings ... too many individual ratings in the 90+ range.

It's something you can fix in a roster, but becomes nearly impossible to maintain throughout a dynasty.

[JBHuskers]

Yeah this isn't right.

No way Texas would be rated 99 on offense.

The way it's computing on whatever E3 build they have out there is incorrect. Has to be.

[Kwizzy]

To me, LSU's ratings are the givaway here... no way their O is better than their D.

[JSmith03]

I'm hoping it's just an error. Hopefully they can get them tuned and adjusted before release.

[Kwizzy]

Sent off an email to see if I can verify these ratings.

[Geauxlden]

Sent off an email to see if I can verify these ratings.

Kwizzy, any way you can ask about this possible bug as well?

While in Nickle and Dime, when you choose "4 DEs" in the sub packages it puts 11 offensive players on the field (or at least it did for me in LSU vs. Bama). The player numbers on the play call screen will be normal but when you return to the field it's all offensive players on defense.

[Kwizzy]

Looks like that info is a little wrong. The columns are mixed up. The first Column is actually the OVR team rating and not offense. The second column is the Offense, and it doesn’t look like the defense column is on there.

This is what we have for LSU
OVR – 99
Off – 92
Def – 95

[SmoothPancakes]

Looks like that info is a little wrong. The columns are mixed up. The first Column is actually the OVR team rating and not offense. The second column is the Offense, and it doesn’t look like the defense column is on there.

This is what we have for LSU
OVR – 99
Off – 92
Def – 95

Even with that new information, in what world does 92 Offense and 95 Defense equal 99 OVR? :D

[Kwizzy]

Nevermind, got to em on twitter.

[JSmith03]

Yeah, Alabama has the same 92 OFF and 95 DEF, and they come out to a 97. Maybe it's something to do with "star" players putting LSU over the top.

[Kwizzy]

Kwizzy, any way you can ask about this possible bug as well?

While in Nickle and Dime, when you choose "4 DEs" in the sub packages it puts 11 offensive players on the field (or at least it did for me in LSU vs. Bama). The player numbers on the play call screen will be normal but when you return to the field it's all offensive players on defense.

Your bug has been passed on, if you get any more specifics just PM em to me.

[Kwizzy]

Yeah, Alabama has the same 92 OFF and 95 DEF, and they come out to a 97. Maybe it's something to do with "star" players putting LSU over the top.

You can't see Alabama's DEF rating, it's not in the chart. Their chart shows OVR, OFF, ST.

[psuexv]

Even with that new information, in what world does 92 Offense and 95 Defense equal 99 OVR? :D

First column is Overall, 2nd is Offense, Defense is not listed... so 99 OVR -99 Off - 92, Def - unknown.

[SmoothPancakes]

First column is Overall, 2nd is Offense, Defense is not listed... so 99 OVR -99 Off - 92, Def - unknown.

I know that. I was commenting on what Kwizzy posted, LSU's numbers being 99 OVR, 92 Offense, 95 Defense (wherever he found the official defensive number at). But how the hell does 92 offense and 95 defense (even with a 97 special teams) equal 99 OVR? 92 offense, 95 defense and 97 special teams, to me, would equal 95 OVR or so, not 99 OVR.

[Kwizzy]

I know that. I was commenting on what Kwizzy posted, LSU's numbers being 99 OVR, 92 Offense, 95 Defense (wherever he found the official defensive number at). But how the hell does 92 offense and 95 defense (even with a 97 special teams) equal 99 OVR? 92 offense, 95 defense and 97 special teams, to me, would equal 95 OVR or so, not 99 OVR.

I think the OVR is on a curve, so the best team will always be a 99 OVR

[JBHuskers]

I think the OVR is on a curve, so the best team will always be a 99 OVR

...it's also tied to specific ratings among players. Not an average.

[SmoothPancakes]

I think the OVR is on a curve, so the best team will always be a 99 OVR


...it's also tied to specific ratings among players. Not an average.

Ah, alright. I was thinking they were on an average basis of the offense/defense/special teams scores, so that makes sense now. Still, some of those ratings are overrated as hell, especially on offense.

[SCClassof93]

It is bad enough they have UGAg higher than my COCKS but to have clempson rated higher? :smh: How in the fudge did they come up with that? We have whipped them three years in a row?

[Little Steve]

Whoa UL is superunderated thats not right for a team shareing the big east title with a true fresman QB.
And well sure might as well overrate ohio state to keep they fans happy 20$ says their QB a 87+ even though if u ever watched him on tv. u wonder how the fuck he made it to the college level.
Kinda being mean on temple with 2 stars they got into a AQ confrence...
What RTARD gave wvu a 87 on Offence? 95+ I THINK
Cincy, UL, and rutgers 3 stars:fp: Each got at least a 4 star guy this year, rutgers got a 5.
Rutgers and pitt overrated on Offence both don't have a sure stating QB, and last year their starters were bad.
NCST kinda up their:confused:
UH sould be a 90+ on offence
Southern miss OMFG really?

[morsdraconis]

It is bad enough they have UGAg higher than my COCKS but to have clempson rated higher? :smh: How in the fudge did they come up with that? We have whipped them three years in a row?

How can any team that get bitchslapped 70-13 be rated higher than the team that bitchslapped them? Bowl game, smowl game, 70-13 is not a fuckin' fluke.

[Little Steve]

Do you guys ever rerate players in the game? like say a starting QB gets hurt and his back up turns out to be one of the best in the game. (oklahoma vs cincy tony pike)
Im talking about rerateing teams......... DEMO TIME TTYL

[xMrHitStickx904]

yeah, these ratings are weird. Funny thing is, UofL's ratings are right around where I'd thought they'd be. Hope we got a top 25 nod in the game .

[SCClassof93]

How can any team that get bitchslapped 70-13 be rated higher than the team that bitchslapped them? Bowl game, smowl game, 70-13 is not a fuckin' fluke.

Are you a WVU guy? That is my second favorite team after that bowl game :nod:

[JeffHCross]

(wherever he found the official defensive number at).That would be "from EA" ;)

But how the hell does 92 offense and 95 defense (even with a 97 special teams) equal 99 OVR?Brad Wing = Instant 99.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab59/Julio00oo/bradwing_comeatmemate.gif

[Geauxlden]

That would be "from EA" ;)
Brad Wing = Instant 99.

http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab59/Julio00oo/bradwing_comeatmemate.gif

:D

[morsdraconis]

Are you a WVU guy? That is my second favorite team after that bowl game :nod:

Yup. Been a WVU guy since I was like 6. ;)

[Little Steve]

yeah, these ratings are weird. Funny thing is, UofL's ratings are right around where I'd thought they'd be. Hope we got a top 25 nod in the game .
They really sould, your team probley got the big east in the bag for the next couple of years...

[souljahbill]

Southern Miss - 83

I am disappoint

[Kwizzy]

I was able to get some further info on how the OVR team ratings are calculated:

The OVR ratings are normalized. So for instance with WISC being a 99 OVR, it just means they are one of the top teams. It only takes starters into consideration (Wisc has the best HB in the game).

Now I would personally argue that they're still overrated but at least now we have a better idea of why the ratings are what they are.

[souljahbill]

I was able to get some further info on how the OVR team ratings are calculated:

The OVR ratings are normalized. So for instance with WISC being a 99 OVR, it just means they are one of the top teams. It only takes starters into consideration (Wisc has the best HB in the game).

Now I would personally argue that they're still overrated but at least now we have a better idea of why the ratings are what they are.

Is this how OVR was calculated in previous versions as well? Starters only?

[Little Steve]

Southern Miss - 83

I am disappoint

me too:fp:

[Kwizzy]

Is this how OVR was calculated in previous versions as well? Starters only?

That, I'm afraid I don't know, but I would assume so.

[gschwendt]

Preliminary Top 25 via video from Tradition Sports (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGgVl9mL3Q&feature=player_embedded)

1. Alabama
2. USC
3. LSU
4. Oregon
5. Oklahoma
6. Georgia
7. Arkansas
8. Florida State
9. Michigan
10. West Virginia
11. South Carolina
12. Michigan State
13. Kansas State
14. Clemson
15. Virginia Tech
16. Wisconsin
17. TCU
18. Ohio State
19. Nebraska
20. Stanford
21. Boise State
22. Texas
23. Oklahoma State
24. Notre Dame
25. Florida

[xMrHitStickx904]

No Louisville at like 24? eh. It's cool, probably a good thing for Dynasties that bans Top 25 teams.

[Kwizzy]

Personally I don't understand how Boise St is a 6 star program. 5 star, absolutely. But IMO 6 stars should be reserved for programs that have a long history of excellence that are also currently a power. Alabama, USC, etc... Obviously just my take.

[gschwendt]

Personally I don't understand how Boise St is a 6 star program. 5 star, absolutely. But IMO 6 stars should be reserved for programs that have a long history of excellence that are also currently a power. Alabama, USC, etc... Obviously just my take.Actually, from that video, they're a 5-star. I'm curious if there aren't several mistypes relaying that information from the video to text form.

[Kwizzy]

Actually, from that video, they're a 5-star. I'm curious if there aren't several mistypes relaying that information from the video to text form.

Oh ok... Yeah, I had several rounds of back and forth between me, EA, & the tradition guys yesterday trying to straighten that out. Wouldn't surprise me if there's quite a few errors in the text form.

[JBHuskers]

Like Notre Dame? Didn't that table say it was a 6-star school? :fp:

[psusnoop]

Both Boise and ND I could see as 5 stars not 6.

[Kwizzy]

Both Boise and ND I could see as 5 stars not 6.

Exactly, to me there should be 2 criterea for a 6th star... History of excellence & current/recent success. Nebraska, Penn St, Boise, ND, etc... all are missing a component of that.

[morsdraconis]

Boise State is a :5star: program, but Notre Dame is definitely a :6star: program (in the game, that is).

[Little Steve]

Yah! Ohio State is in the top 25, its not like they had a bad season last year... wait they did. well the offence was in the top 100 last year.... wait it wasn't. Well they played great D last year.... NO. well at least they have a great QB you can throw the ball well.... nope.how the fuck are they in the top 25?
their is no chance in hell they're gonna win the big ten. at most 8 wins overall.

[natetcu]

Boise State is a :5star: program, but Notre Dame is definitely a :6star: program (in the game, that is).

In real life too, stars represent prestige, not talent. Notre Dame is a much more prestigious than Boise St, just look at their respective histories, fan bases, media coverage, and recruiting. ND wins every category. The only place BSU can compete is on the field.

[natetcu]

Yah! Ohio State is in the top 25, its not like they had a bad season last year... wait they did. well the offence was in the top 100 last year.... wait it wasn't. Well they played great D last year.... NO. well at least they have a great QB you can throw the ball well.... nope.how the fuck are they in the top 25?
their is no chance in hell they're gonna win the big ten. at most 8 wins overall.

The preseason top-25 is about voter perception, not talent on the field... OSU has Urban Meyer and they are OSU... hence the pollsters will vote for them until they lose enough games that it is obvious they suck.

[Kwizzy]

In real life too, stars represent prestige, not talent. Notre Dame is a much more prestigious than Boise St, just look at their respective histories, fan bases, media coverage, and recruiting. ND wins every category. The only place BSU can compete is on the field.

Their prestige has taken a hit as result of many seasons of mediocrity, just like NE. IMO they are a 5 star.

[psuexv]

Yah! Ohio State is in the top 25, its not like they had a bad season last year... wait they did. well the offence was in the top 100 last year.... wait it wasn't. Well they played great D last year.... NO. well at least they have a great QB you can throw the ball well.... nope.how the fuck are they in the top 25?
their is no chance in hell they're gonna win the big ten. at most 8 wins overall.

http://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Top40Countdown/11OhioSt.pdf

While I don't agree with Phil and put them at #11, they will compete in the Big Ten

[Little Steve]

QUOTE=psuexv;142655]http://www.philsteele.com/Pdf/2012Top40Countdown/11OhioSt.pdf

While I don't agree with Phil and put them at #11, they will compete in the Big Ten[/QUOTE]

I Don't like summer reading...:D
If you've ever been in highschool you sould get it?

[natetcu]

Their prestige has taken a hit as result of many seasons of mediocrity, just like NE. IMO they are a 5 star.

1) ND has the second largest fan base in the nation (Texas resently passed them to be #1)

2) Recruiting is a good judge of where players perceive the best schools are. Past 10 years of recruiting (based off of Rivals ratings) 2002: 24th, 2003: 12th, 2004: top 50, 2005: 40th, 2006: 8th, 2007: 8th, 2008: 2nd, 2009: 21st, 2010: 14th, 2011: 10th, 2012: 20th, 2013: 13th

3) Preseason top 25 appearances since '02, this shows how they were perceived before the ball was ever snapped: 2002: 18 points, 2003: 18th, 2004: 25 points, 2005: 13 points, 2006: 3rd, 2007: 8th, 2008: 90 points, 2009: 23rd, 2010: 38 points, 2011: 18th... even when ND is bad they still get top 25 respect every year until they prove it is unwarranted.

To me, ND is the definition of a six star prestige school. Now to you they may have lost their luster, but they still command a lot of respect in the college football world.

[Little Steve]

1) ND has the second largest fan base in the nation (Texas resently passed them to be #1)

2) Recruiting is a good judge of where players perceive the best schools are. Past 10 years of recruiting (based off of Rivals ratings) 2002: 24th, 2003: 12th, 2004: top 50, 2005: 40th, 2006: 8th, 2007: 8th, 2008: 2nd, 2009: 21st, 2010: 14th, 2011: 10th, 2012: 20th, 2013: 13th

3) Preseason top 25 appearances since '02, this shows how they were perceived before the ball was ever snapped: 2002: 18 points, 2003: 18th, 2004: 25 points, 2005: 13 points, 2006: 3rd, 2007: 8th, 2008: 90 points, 2009: 23rd, 2010: 38 points, 2011: 18th... even when ND is bad they still get top 25 respect every year until they prove it is unwarranted.

To me, ND is the definition of a six star prestige school. Now to you they may have lost their luster, but they still command a lot of respect in the college football world.
They are a 6 star school. they have turned around sence Kelly got their. Basterd left a 12-0 3ed in the country team.Q: who does that???A: its notre dame $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$44

[Kwizzy]

1) ND has the second largest fan base in the nation (Texas resently passed them to be #1)

2) Recruiting is a good judge of where players perceive the best schools are. Past 10 years of recruiting (based off of Rivals ratings) 2002: 24th, 2003: 12th, 2004: top 50, 2005: 40th, 2006: 8th, 2007: 8th, 2008: 2nd, 2009: 21st, 2010: 14th, 2011: 10th, 2012: 20th, 2013: 13th

3) Preseason top 25 appearances since '02, this shows how they were perceived before the ball was ever snapped: 2002: 18 points, 2003: 18th, 2004: 25 points, 2005: 13 points, 2006: 3rd, 2007: 8th, 2008: 90 points, 2009: 23rd, 2010: 38 points, 2011: 18th... even when ND is bad they still get top 25 respect every year until they prove it is unwarranted.

To me, ND is the definition of a six star prestige school. Now to you they may have lost their luster, but they still command a lot of respect in the college football world.

All good points but in the end, consistency in the product on the field is what matters most to me. So again, IMO there are 2 requirements for that 6th star & ND only has 1.

[psuexv]

I Don't like summer reading...:D
If you've ever been in highschool you sould get it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

[Little Steve]

All good points but in the end, consistency in the product on the field is what matters most to me. So again, IMO there are 2 requirements for that 6th star & ND only has 1.
They aways play one of the toughest schedule durning the year. And they've won 8 over the past two years.

[Little Steve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
funny but i still hate you. and a 100 on my english exam so...:no_bait:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn3khlrPMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn3khlrPMUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn3khlrPMU CLICK LINK

[natetcu]

All good points but in the end, consistency in the product on the field is what matters most to me. So again, IMO there are 2 requirements for that 6th star & ND only has 1.

I am not going to argue that they don't suck on the field, and there is no doubt that they don't carry the same respect as when leather helmets were used. But, IMO they are still 6-star, so agree to disagree. Thanks for being a good sport and not going to the "well you are an idiot" argument.

[Kwizzy]

I am not going to argue that they don't suck on the field, and there is no doubt that they don't carry the same respect as when leather helmets were used. But, IMO they are still 6-star, so agree to disagree. Thanks for being a good sport and not going to the "well you are an idiot" argument.

Ha absolutely. I have no problem with disagreeing. You make some solid points and I even reconsiderred my stance to be honest but in the end, I just feel the way I do.

Welcome to the site btw, I think you'll find that one of the things that sets this site apart from others is the level of respect others give your opinions, even if they disagree.

UNLESS YOUR NAME IS RAM... :D

[SmoothPancakes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

:D

[SmoothPancakes]

Ha absolutely. I have no problem with disagreeing. You make some solid points and I even reconsiderred my stance to be honest but in the end, I just feel the way I do.

Welcome to the site btw, I think you'll find that one of the things that sets this site apart from others is the level of respect others give your opinions, even if they disagree.

UNLESS YOUR NAME IS RAM... :D

There is no such higher level of truth humanly possible than this statement. :D

[gschwendt]

Top Player Ratings for each team from Air Force through Texas State (again, courtesy Tradition Sports)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWi-6qqh1EA

[ram29jackson]

Like Notre Dame? Didn't that table say it was a 6-star school? :fp:

considering its entire history..yes...ND is historically all that is college football even if they arent some perpetual top 10

[JeffHCross]

Is this how OVR was calculated in previous versions as well? Starters only?Yes, and it has been for years. Just verified in NCAA 11. FSU has B+/A-/B ratings. Switched out their starting QB, HB, and WR and they dropped to B-/C+/B.

[Little Steve]

OSU QB is a 85:fp: He is the worst QB i have EVER SEEN! im not lieing. He's god's worst creation. Next to the state of Alabama :D

[souljahbill]

OSU QB is a 85:fp: He is the worst QB i have EVER SEEN! im not lieing. He's god's worst creation. Next to the state of Alabama :D

LOL!

Good one.

[GarnetAndGold]

Fsu Defense need to be 96

[Kwizzy]

OSU QB is a 85:fp: He is the worst QB i have EVER SEEN! im not lieing. He's god's worst creation. Next to the state of Alabama :D

Watch him this year, last year he was a true freshman in a screwed up situation. This year he's one year older with a hell of a coaching staff. He will be a monster within the next 2 years.

[Little Steve]

Watch him this year, last year he was a true freshman in a screwed up situation. This year he's one year older with a hell of a coaching staff. He will be a monster within the next 2 years.

God i hope not. Every year Ohio states down cincy has a better chance. Look what happened after cincy bball coach got fired...Ohio state got all of cincy recruits and beat them out as now the best team in ohio :(

< Eric hicks was the last great player from the Bob Huggins age...

[NatureBoy]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't know about the top ten. Georgia 6, Arkanas 7 and FSU 8? Sorry but I just don't see it.

[JeffHCross]

Every year Ohio states down cincy has a better chance.No, not really.

Look what happened after cincy bball coach got fired...Ohio state got all of cincy recruitsActually, it was the fact that Indiana was down and we got all of the Indiana recruits. We've signed one Cincinnati-area recruit since 2006. I'd say that's Thad Matta's doing, not the lack of competing with Cincinnati.

[Little Steve]

Actually, it was the fact that Indiana was down and we got all of the Indiana recruits. We've signed one Cincinnati-area recruit since 2006. I'd say that's Thad Matta's doing, not the lack of competing with Cincinnati.

Cincinnati area means nothing but walk ons and 2 stars. UC's pipeline was in Texas, florida and ect... UC was a national name. UC had the #1 recruit in the country and HE LEFT TO OHIO STATE WHEN BOB HUGGINS GOT FIRED. Ohio State did get cincy recuirts....and so did kansas st a few follow huggiens their for a year.

The big 3 in basketball the most elite basketball schools ever IN HISTORY are UCLA, Cincy, and duke. Final 4, 3 times in arow. Thats great depth and these school won it all twice in arow 2! Cincy over Ohio state! without The big O.

[JeffHCross]

Cincinnati area means nothing but walk ons and 2 stars.True. :D

UC's pipeline was in Texas, florida and ect... Which, again, we haven't been recruiting that much. Ohio State can credit their rise to getting Indiana's recruits, not Cincinnati's.

UC was a national name.True.

UC had the #1 recruit in the country and HE LEFT TO OHIO STATE WHEN BOB HUGGINS GOT FIRED.I think you're confusing your fantasies. Huggins was fired in August of 2005. Greg Oden had announced he would be attending Ohio State two months earlier.


The big 3 in basketball the most elite basketball schools ever IN HISTORY are UCLA, Cincy, and duke.In history? Throughout all of basketball history? I know quite a few fans that would take exception to your list, in North Carolina alone. Not to mention Kentucky, Kansas, Syracuse or Indiana. Yes, Cincinnati won two straight, and yes, it was against Ohio State (side note: if you pointed that out because I'm an Ohio State fan, let me assure you I was well aware; I was also a fan of Nick Van Exel and Kenyon Martin), and yes, it was when only 24 schools were invited to the tournament. Impressive, but most elite ever? Hardly.

Cincinnati didn't even make the tournament between 1977 and 1992. That's a pretty long stretch for one of the "most elite basketball schools ever".

And lets face it no one but mich fans and ohio state fans care about the "big game". The new one is Mich State and WisCon.Laughable. Michigan State cares more about playing Michigan than they do playing Wisconsin. Sparty/Whiskey isn't even an annual game.

[ram29jackson]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I don't know about the top ten. Georgia 6, Arkanas 7 and FSU 8? Sorry but I just don't see it.

yeah, but they do it based on their player ratings averages. It has nothing to do with real life predictions. I 'm sure they dont mind being close..but its not ultimately based on reality. It never can be anyway

[Cody]

95... ill take it

[cmckinnon15]

The thing that kills me is that Utah is a 95... can anyone explain to me how they determine ratings?

[ram29jackson]

The thing that kills me is that Utah is a 95... can anyone explain to me how they determine ratings?


starting players

[Little Steve]

I think you're confusing your fantasies. Huggins was fired in August of 2005. Greg Oden had announced he would be attending Ohio State two months earlier.

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OJ Mayo where did he go to college??? He was up their and he was going to UC before that dark day in history happened.


And im happy with the ratings, UC is a 89 and thats kinda up their :)(Best in the Big East). Even though i think they will be at that 6-6 mark....

[IBI]

OJ Mayo where did he go to college??? He was up their and he was going to UC before that dark day in history happened.


And im happy with the ratings, UC is a 89 and thats kinda up their :)(Best in the Big East). Even though i think they will be at that 6-6 mark....
Mayo went to USC.

[razorback44]

Mayo went to USC.

Mayo committed to Huggins at Kansas State first before switching to USC when Huggins left for WVU.

[SmoothPancakes]

Mayo committed to Huggins at Kansas State first before switching to USC when Huggins left for WVU.

But he didn't commit to Cincinnati, which is what seems to be the initial point/claim of the last couple posts and entire discussion. He initially committed to Kansas State, then went to USC when Huggins left for West Virginia. Cincinnati didn't "have him" and lost him. They never had him to begin with.

[razorback44]

But he didn't commit to Cincinnati, which is what seems to be the initial point/claim of the last couple posts and entire discussion. He initially committed to Kansas State, then went to USC when Huggins left for West Virginia. Cincinnati didn't "have him" and lost him. They never had him to begin with.

I'm assuming this is one of those after the fact message board rumors. Cincinnati kid commits to old Cincinnati coach at his new job so someone on a message board says he would have come to Cincinnati if Huggins hadn't been fired and here we are 6 years later it has been warped in to he actually did commit to Cincinnati at one point.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm assuming this is one of those after the fact message board rumors. Cincinnati kid commits to old Cincinnati coach at his new job so someone on a message board says he would have come to Cincinnati if Huggins hadn't been fired and here we are 6 years later it has been warped in to he actually did commit to Cincinnati at one point.

That sounds like a pretty accurate assessment to me.

[Little Steve]

I'm assuming this is one of those after the fact message board rumors. Cincinnati kid commits to old Cincinnati coach at his new job so someone on a message board says he would have come to Cincinnati if Huggins hadn't been fired and here we are 6 years later it has been warped in to he actually did commit to Cincinnati at one point.

He followed him to kansas state there for he would have go to UC if the coach had not been...sadly... fired.

He was commited to UC i'll find a link
No im wrong it was when huggiens was already coaching kstate.
I know it was someone big who backed out, must of turn out to be a bust.
I can only find this http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2132/class/2007 but it only goes back to 06 and you can see the toll taken by bob huggins leaving..... and the 07 all turned out to suck. Execpt Bishop if he was just a little more agressive might have been drafted.

[JeffHCross]

yeah, but they do it based on their player ratings averages.Historically the Top 25 has not been based solely on player ratings. If that was true, it would simply be in order from highest OVR to lowest. And that hasn't been the case.


But he didn't commit to Cincinnati, which is what seems to be the initial point/claim of the last couple posts and entire discussion.Or, for that matter, go to Ohio State.

[SmoothPancakes]

Or, for that matter, go to Ohio State.

Correct.

[ram29jackson]

Historically the Top 25 has not been based solely on player ratings. If that was true, it would simply be in order from highest OVR to lowest. And that hasn't been the case.

Or, for that matter, go to Ohio State.

well..thats incredibly vague, what else is it based on then ? If their ratings arent based on the real world, then what else would they be based on other then the ratings they give the players?

[Little Steve]

^is *** (damit ram u posted before me) Double arrow ^^

No, but i just noticed that in the Demo that alot (and i mean alot) of big 12 teams are rated in the top 25. Overall in the raitings i think their the strongest Confernce in the game. I really don't wan't to do the math..... but im going to add up all the Confernces Overall total and divide by said Confernce member number to get the averrages of all the confernces...........Tommorow
Cause i'll be bored....

[JeffHCross]

well..thats incredibly vague, what else is it based on then ? If their ratings arent based on the real world, then what else would they be based on other then the ratings they give the players?Well, for years it suspiciously matched up well with the Athlon Top 25. I think it's just their own Top 25. But if you go through the Top 119 at the beginning of a dynasty, you'll see some teams lower ranked but rated higher than those above them. So it's clearly not a simple order of OVR.

[ram29jackson]

Well, for years it suspiciously matched up well with the Athlon Top 25. I think it's just their own Top 25. But if you go through the Top 119 at the beginning of a dynasty, you'll see some teams lower ranked but rated higher than those above them. So it's clearly not a simple order of OVR.


oh, ok, yeah,..like the fact that youll find ratings gems in San Jose players or Ark State players which can make the team competative when using them but they arent that good as a whole team numbers wise..or a couple other variables as well