EA SPORTS at E3 2012

[cdj]

E3 2012 takes place June 5-7 and will feature news regarding NCAA Football 13. (E3 is the world's premier trade show for computer and video games and related products.) The Electronic Arts press conference will take place at 3 PM CT Monday, June 4 and will be broadcasted on Spike TV (http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/2012/05/24/spike-tv-and-gametrailers-e3-all-access-2012-coverage-explained/) as well as streamed online (http://www.ea.com/e3).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UEwTiNET6o

"NCAA thought they’d jump the gun a little bit and give you a taste of what they’re bringing to the table a week early. In addition to revealing their Heisman Playbook on Wednesday May 29th, they’re also hosting a Heisman Webcast the same day (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/content.php?576-NCAA-Football-13-Heisman-Challenge). There may also be another big announcement in the works that we’re not at liberty to discuss yet...but if we were you we would probably be checking the site regularly for some big NCAA news." Courtesy: EA SPORTS (http://www.ea.com/news/ea-sports-e3-viewing-guide)

We will keep you updated with any NCAA Football 13 news announced or revealed during E3 here at The Gaming Tailgate and also on our social networks: Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/gamingtailgate) - Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/thegamingtailgate) - Google+ (https://plus.google.com/113237720389048153900/posts). Make sure to follow us for all breaking news and info.

The Gaming Tailgate will also be providing extensive E3 coverage and info in our Other Video Games sub-forum (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?5112-E3-2012-Schedule-amp-Discussion).

Continue on to learn more about you can expect from other EA SPORTS titles at E3.

Madden NFL Football

Madden is finishing out their Audio Playbook reveal this week before they come out with guns blazing next week at E3. But that will change once it hits 2PM PST on June 4th. Madden will be revealing three more Playbooks, Gameplay Part 2, Connected Careers and Madden Social. We’ll have videos, producer interviews and blogs from the dev team to fill you in on everything you need to know, but also be on the lookout for our Madden Playbook Webcast at 3PM PST. We’ll bring you Madden updates from the show floor all week as well provide in-depth coverage of the Playbooks.

FIFA

FIFA’s going to be throwing some teasers your way this week so check the site to get a sneak peek. If you want to get a good look at what FIFA 13 is shaping up to look like we recommend you check back here on June 4th as well. On June 6th they’re doing a special FUTcast with John Rutter, and at noon on June 7th you can catch up on FIFA PC news with a Webcast. And don’t forget your regularly scheduled FIFA podcast on Friday.

NHL

E3 shmee3 says NHL. The finals of the NHL Cover Vote start Tuesday May 29th with the last two players battling it out for your vote. True Performance Skating and Hockey IQ are going to the topics to talk about, with coverage between now and the end of the next week including interviews with the dev teams, blogs, videos and live coverage from the E3 showroom floor.

NBA LIVE

While this game is pretty hush hush on our end, we can tell you it will be at E3 and a few of our top community members are going to get first crack at seeing it. Check back at noon on Tuesday June 5th for their first impressions.

We’ll also be streaming the EA SPORTS press conference at 1PM on June 4th so you can get all the big news first. Keep checking here for updated schedules.

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[JeffHCross]

For anybody that (like me) can't get to "gaming" websites during the work day, Ars Technica will be live-blogging the EA Press Conference at this page (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/pre-e3-liveblog-ea-press-conference/).

[baseballplyrmvp]

For anybody that (like me) can't get to "gaming" websites during the work day, Ars Technica will be live-blogging the EA Press Conference at this page (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/pre-e3-liveblog-ea-press-conference/).that doesnt help me since i'm not given any computer access at work. :(

[JeffHCross]

Yeah, well, you're screwed either way ;)

[Little Steve]

New job time! I here thiers a opening at Burger King :P:D

[jaymo76]

This year for each playbook/podcast, etc. I have decided to wait until I get home and then watch/listen to everything all at once on all of the sites I frequent. It's tough to wait all day but on the bright side you get 100% of the information/discussion all in one shot.

[baseballplyrmvp]

New job time! I here thiers a opening at Burger King :P:D

http://www.w54.biz/images/smilies/stfu3.gif

[SmoothPancakes]

http://www.w54.biz/images/smilies/stfu3.gif

:D :D :D

[MC1]

Only news I wanna hear is that they're gonna release the game later this month and drop kick the demo.

[JeffHCross]

According to GameTrailer's "E3 All Access" schedule, EA Sports will be part of the Microsoft press conference, begins Monday at Noon, and Michael Irvin will be on stage during the EA press conference to reveal the Connected Careers mode for Madden.

[Little Steve]

I just heard you can creat a play in madden did i hear wrong?
Random thread link please?

[SCClassof93]

New job time! I here thiers a opening at Burger King :P:D

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're
http://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/hear.html

[Treadstone6700]

So can we confirm or deny that kinect integration is the June 4 news for NCAA or do we have to wait for the EA presentation?

[psuexv]

I just heard you can creat a play in madden did i hear wrong?
Random thread link please?

You kinda heard wrong. Xbox wants you to be able to do it with Smart Glass but no confirmation if it will be in Madden.

[gschwendt]

So can we confirm or deny that kinect integration is the June 4 news for NCAA or do we have to wait for the EA presentation?No Kinect for NCAA.

[JBHuskers]

No Kinect for NCAA.

And I'm fine with that.

[SmoothPancakes]

And I'm fine with that.

AMEN! Kinect in NCAA can kiss my ass.

[Noles94]

AMEN! Kinect in NCAA can kiss my ass.

What a mini-game that would be.

[JBHuskers]

What a mini-game that would be.

:D

[JSmith03]

I fully expect NCAA's big announcement to be either:

That the demo will be dropping next Tuesday (or this Tuesday :nod:) OR
Something Teambuilder related.
I mean, they've already announced every big feature, right? And an early demo drop certainly wouldn't disappoint anyone, I'd think.

[SmoothPancakes]

I fully expect NCAA's big announcement to be either:

That the demo will be dropping next Tuesday (or this Tuesday :nod:) OR
Something Teambuilder related.
I mean, they've already announced every big feature, right? And an early demo drop certainly wouldn't disappoint anyone, I'd think.

While that would fit right in with G's statement of it's something none of us would be disappointed about, that would be one of the worst E3 announcements in the history of E3.

[KIDZER0918]

wow juat say the new engine for madden i hope it makes it into ncaa!

[Treadstone6700]

please tell me that this physics engine got into NCAA

[Noles94]

please tell me that this physics engine got into NCAA

I know. Come on NCAA!

[ryby6969]

Sim city looked pretty cool also.

[Treadstone6700]

Agreed, I'm a huge SimCity nerd. They basically just showed the 3 games I play in a row, EA Football, SimCity, and Battlefield

[SmoothPancakes]

Agreed, I'm a huge SimCity nerd. They basically just showed the 3 games I play in a row, EA Football, SimCity, and Battlefield

:+1: I still fire up SimCity 4 on my laptop every now and then (usually at least once or twice a month) and can easily waste hours upon hours in it. Definitely looking forward to the new game next February. That will without a doubt be a day one purchase for me.

[KIDZER0918]

once again it seems like madden always has something that i can not wait to be in NCAA and now it looks like it will be another year long wait to play with this engine in NCAA

[Treadstone6700]

so is it confirmed that NCAA didn't get the physics engine?

[woakley66]

Sim city looked pretty cool also.

Agreed, haven't played that game in a long time. But that looked cool enough that I might have to buy it when it comes out

[NaptownMVP]

so is it confirmed that NCAA didn't get the physics engine?

No.

[SmoothPancakes]

No.

Well, with only a couple minutes officially left in EA's E3 presser, looks like whatever the news for NCAA 13 is, is going to be announced via blog or something.

[Noles94]

So the big announcement was No Announcement? Wow.

[psusnoop]

Well, with only a couple minutes officially left in EA's E3 presser, looks like whatever the news for NCAA 13 is, is going to be announced via blog or something.

I'll sit back and wait this thing out. Once I read Tommy saying maybe tomorrow I convinced myself it wasn't going to be known today :D

[psusnoop]

So the big announcement was No Announcement? Wow.

No they never said it was today for sure, that was the generalization from the board.

[gschwendt]

So the big announcement was No Announcement? Wow.
This wasn't an EA Sports presser, rather an EA in general. NCAA never gets any stage time.

[Treadstone6700]

Physics engine is officially NOT in NCAA. WTF?http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/04/e3-2012-slow-your-role-in-ncaa-football-13s-heisman-mode

[ryby6969]

Wow, :fp:

[woakley66]

Sorry, Repost

[gschwendt]

Physics engine is officially NOT in NCAA. WTF?http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/04/e3-2012-slow-your-role-in-ncaa-football-13s-heisman-modeThere you go.

I'm just officially finding out about the physics engine today along with the rest of you so I'm heartbroken that NCAA doesn't have it.

[Noles94]

Jesus...:smh:

[Deuce]

Damn...that is a major blunder on EA's part.

[ryby6969]

I honestly do not know if I will buy NCAA this year now. Unbelievable!

[ram29jackson]

This wasn't an EA Sports presser, rather an EA in general. NCAA never gets any stage time.

well, that doesnt say much about its popularity or over all sales...or it says too much...not thaaat popular.


yet still, this is pointless without more NCA news though

[psuexv]

It's really not that surprising.

[TIMB0B]

No RTP for NCAA, as far as this article states...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/04/e3-2012-slow-your-role-in-ncaa-football-13s-heisman-mode

NCAA is holding off on using Madden's new Infinity Engine until next year, which means this superior football franchise needs to use itself to its advantage if it wants to keep its edge sharp as ever.

Could IGN be wrong?

[woakley66]

It's really not that surprising.

Not surprised that its not in, just disappointed

[ryby6969]

Surprising No, stupid yes.

[psuexv]

well, that doesnt say much about its popularity or over all sales...or it says too much...not thaaat popular.


yet still, this is pointless without more NCA news though

What it says is that it's a niche market. All of the non-sports games are Global, FIFA is a Global game, NFL is gaining much more interest outside of the US. College football is strictly an American sport not really followed by the rest of the world.

[I OU a Beatn]

No RTP for NCAA, as far as this article states...

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/04/e3-2012-slow-your-role-in-ncaa-football-13s-heisman-mode


Could IGN be wrong?

With as big of a feature as Infinity would be in EA's eyes, if it was in NCAA, we would have heard about it by now. I'd say the chances of it being in NCAA this year are zero.

[Rudy]

NO INFINITY ENGINE FOR NCAA FOOTBALL 13! Cancelling my pre-order now.

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2012/06/04/e3-2012-slow-your-role-in-ncaa-football-13s-heisman-mode#.T80kUEYuLps.twitter

[ram29jackson]

not surprising at all..while you guys know i'm not a hater about EA games, I still believe they milk things out year to year so that they push the infinity stuff for next years NCAA sales...the QB trajectories may be a little different..but the rest of the gameplay will still look and feel the same...stick figure-like-ish

[Little Steve]

This so ***.

[WolverineJay]

Yep very disappointed that the RTP Infinity engine is a no go in NCAA 13. I guess being Madden's little brother rears its ugly head once again. I can't help but think how amazing NCAA 14 will be with the Infinity engine and overhauled OL/DL play and Sp. teams play. I am still getting NCAA 13, but I'm feeling a little shafted at the moment EA Tiburon.

[beartide06]

I am not surprised either. In the "raw" game play videos there was no evidence whatsoever of this new physics engine at all. I do not think they would. or could have just hid that in the raw game play vids. I hope NCAA's big announcement is something worth while.

[ram29jackson]

What it says is that it's a niche market. All of the non-sports games are Global, FIFA is a Global game, NFL is gaining much more interest outside of the US. College football is strictly an American sport not really followed by the rest of the world.

that doesnt make it niche..what makes it niche is its over all American sales-period..ie,comparing it to Madden or other American football games...theres no point in comparing it to games popular elsewhere

[ryby6969]

So it is starting to sound like we got Heisman mode instead of RTP?

[Little Steve]

So....when's madden come out???

[psuexv]

that doesnt make it niche..what makes it niche is its over all American sales-period..ie,comparing it to Madden or other American football games...theres no point in comparing it to games popular elsewhere

Actually that makes it completely niche. It still sells games globally but the niche market is the American market.

[coogrfan]

As others have said disappointing but not really surprising. Anybody who has played these games for 10+ years has gotten used to Madden getting the cool stuff first.

[Treadstone6700]

I think i'm just more upset about what an absolute slap in the face, kick in the balls move this is to the NCAA fans.I was understanding of a physics engine not being in when I thought it would just take too much development time, now I know it can be developed they just didn't give it to NCAA. WTF?

[psuexv]

As others have said disappointing but not really surprising. Anybody who has played these games for 10+ years has gotten used to madden getting the cool stuff first.

Pretty much. At least we know it might be coming in '14

[ryby6969]

The problem is there is cool stuff, and then there is game changing stuff. This could be a potential game changer. I almost hope it is really buggy, because if not it would be hard to continue to play NCAA after Madden comes out even though I prefer college 100 times more than the NFL.

[SmoothPancakes]

Eh, like everyone else, not surprising. Still keeping my preorder, still going to buy NCAA, still gonna play NCAA, still gonna have fun with NCAA. It just means that we'll have that much more to look forward to in NCAA 14 next year since that IGN article pretty much all but explicitly confirms it'll be in NCAA 14.

[ram29jackson]

Actually that makes it completely niche. It still sells games globally but the niche market is the American market.

the American market IS the American market -period

its not niche...NCAA compares itself to Madden, not to FiFA

NCAA is niche compared to Madden, thats all that matters.

:) I probably would have bought FIFA if I had money this year though LOL..just cause thats all I see Steelerfan ever playing

[gschwendt]

So it is starting to sound like we got Heisman mode instead of RTP?No, that's not a good comparison at all. RTP takes a lot longer to implement than they spent on Heisman, I assure you of that. That and they're different departments altogether.

[psusnoop]

Yeah disappointing but I agree expected too. I'll still be buying NCAA and like smooth ill still have fun as well.

[beartide06]

The problem is there is cool stuff, and then there is game changing stuff. This could be a potential game changer. I almost hope it is really buggy, because if not it would be hard to continue to play NCAA after Madden comes out even though I prefer college 100 times more than the NFL.

Yeah, I thought they were trying to make game play the same for both games? It is going to be really hard to transition back and forth from NCAA to Madden when Madden will have this physics engine. NCAA will just feel so old compared to Madden IF the physics engine does not have many bugs, glitches, etc.

[ryby6969]

Either way, does not justify leaving it out.

[NaptownMVP]

NCAA is still worth 45 bucks, IMO.

[ryby6969]

Yeah disappointing but I agree expected too. I'll still be buying NCAA and like smooth ill still have fun as well.

You are a better man than I.

[Kwizzy]

No, that's not a good comparison at all. RTP takes a lot longer to implement than they spent on Heisman, I assure you of that. That and they're different departments altogether.

This. :up: More like, the time in between NCAA release & Madden release allows them to add an extra gameplay element for Madden. Not saying that sits well with me, I'm not a happy camper right now, but that's the reality.

[gschwendt]

I'm not trying to justify leaving it out. My assumption (again, first I'm finding about it as well) is that they knew it wouldn't be ready in time to release with NCAA so they made the decision not to include it and began developing their game.

My best bet is that guys will find plenty to complain about with it in Madden and then next year it will be better in NCAA 14 than it was in Madden 13. Trust me, it sucks and it's going to make it harder to enjoy NCAA as much.

[ram29jackson]

No, that's not a good comparison at all. RTP takes a lot longer to implement than they spent on Heisman, I assure you of that. That and they're different departments altogether.

that makes no difference..it was a bad marketing tool to begin with, regardless of who spends time on it. Barry Sanders character in game will run like every other RB with amped ratings = not a big deal

[Treadstone6700]

I just don't know what NCAA could be announcing at e3 that will make up for the slap in the face that this is.

[ryby6969]

I'm not trying to justify leaving it out. My assumption (again, first I'm finding about it as well) is that they knew it wouldn't be ready in time to release with NCAA so they made the decision not to include it and began developing their game.

My best bet is that guys will find plenty to complain about with it in Madden and then next year it will be better in NCAA 14 than it was in Madden 13. Trust me, it sucks and it's going to make it harder to enjoy NCAA as much.

I know you were not trying to justify it, I am just really pissed right now and if NCAA released today, I would not be buying it.

[cdj]

Yeah, I thought they were trying to make game play the same for both games? It is going to be really hard to transition back and forth from NCAA to Madden when Madden will have this physics engine. NCAA will just feel so old compared to Madden IF the physics engine does not have many bugs, glitches, etc.

Despite the difference between the two games, I believe they have the same control scheme on-field this year so going back and forth may not be as difficult as you may think. It all depends on how much actual influence the Infinity Engine has. Does it change the way the entire game plays, just tackling/hits, or something in-between?

Like G & kwizzy said, we're learning about this at the same time you guys are, so we're working to gather as much info as possible.

EDIT - Like you said, I also thought the two games were going to start having the same gameplay features between Madden & NCAA and no more "next year for NCAA." That belief lasted for all of one or two years? If it somehow 'came together' in the cycle between when NCAA & Madden had to be completed, I guess I can't blame them for putting it in M13, but it sure is frustrating and a black-eye for NCAA.

[Kwizzy]

that makes no difference..it was a bad marketing tool to begin with, regardless of who spends time on it. Barry Sanders character in game will run like every other RB with amped ratings = not a big deal

While I agree with you that not enough distinguishment is made between players, that's not what G is saying. He's saying that it wasn't like they got down to the end of a meeting & had to decide "welp, physics or heisman mode... Heisman mode!" Not the way it works. It's not an excuse, it's just a reality.

[Little Steve]

Not every player feels the same guys, i had a 6'1 170 QB for a year felt extremly different then my 6'6 250 guy. Its still worth buying madden will be buggy.

[ryby6969]

Despite the difference between the two games, I believe they have the same control scheme on-field this year so going back and forth may not be as difficult as you may think. It all depends on how much actual influence the Infinity Engine has. Does it change the way the entire game plays, just tackling/hits, or something in-between?

Like G & kwizzy said, we're learning about this at the same time you guys are, so we're working to gather as much info as possible.

They said it has a part in "every aspect of the game." From interactions to tackling to catching.

[ram29jackson]

While I agree with you that not enough distinguishment is made between players, that's not what G is saying. He's saying that it wasn't like they got down to the end of a meeting & had to decide "welp, physics or heisman mode... Heisman mode!" Not the way it works. It's not an excuse, it's just a reality.

dude, I didnt say anything about choices between the 2 games and their departments... i said the Heisman idea was so basic and silly in its implementation that it was bad to begin with

[Noles94]

I think i'm just more upset about what an absolute slap in the face, kick in the balls move this is to the NCAA fans.I was understanding of a physics engine not being in when I thought it would just take too much development time, now I know it can be developed they just didn't give it to NCAA. WTF?

:+1: That sums up how I feel as well. I'm not so much shocked because of past history. Just majorly disappointed. On the say something positive side, UFC and EA whoo hoo! Psyched for that. And Dead Space 3 looks cool. :)

[beartide06]

Despite the difference between the two games, I believe they have the same control scheme on-field this year so going back and forth may not be as difficult as you may think. It all depends on how much actual influence the Infinity Engine has. Does it change the way the entire game plays, just tackling/hits, or something in-between?

Like G & kwizzy said, we're learning about this at the same time you guys are, so we're working to gather as much info as possible.

Well, I suppose it would not effect it from a playing stand point, but more of a different feel than anything. I know on the EA site, it seemed to be a bit more than tackling/hits. They showed a guy diving and they showed Cam Newton stumbling, but keeping his balance by putting his hand down to support himself.

I am not TOO terribly disappointed, only slightly. I was prepared because I already had a good hunch it wasn't in. Plus, my intention was not to get Madden this year, so I may not have to worry about the transition. Madden, no matter how great their additions are, still does not have the college football feel to it. NCAA is, and will always be more fun to me. Yes, it may be unfortunate, but NCAA is just a more fun product IMO because I am such a hardcore College fan.

[psusnoop]

You are a better man than I.

Up till this year NCAA was the only game I ever bought lol. Easy decision for me.

[Deuce]

They said it has a part in "every aspect of the game." From interactions to tackling to catching.

If you listen to the podcast he talks about how you have to completely change the way you play. Now, I'm sure he's just building hype around the engine but it is frustrating to hear that...and then hear its not in NCAA. :glare:

[ryby6969]

Back in the day, I only bought NCAA and Madden. This year, I will have a decision to make obviously.

[gschwendt]

BTW, before you guys go cancelling your pre-orders, I'd hold off for a little while. Not saying you should keep it, but A) you can no longer get release day shipping (if you change your mind) and B) the announcement might give you some kind of hope or different feeling. Not saying it's going to make you forget about RTP.

[ryby6969]

If you listen to the podcast he talks about how you have to completely change the way you play. Now, I'm sure he's just building hype around the engine but it is frustrating to hear that...and then hear its not in NCAA. :glare:

The biggest thing for me is the fact that weight will matter. Imagine actually having to keep weight in mind when recruiting that 205lb linebacker?

[Kwizzy]

that makes no difference..it was a bad marketing tool to begin with, regardless of who spends time on it. Barry Sanders character in game will run like every other RB with amped ratings = not a big deal


dude, I didnt say anything about choices between the 2 games and their departments... i said the Heisman idea was so basic and silly in its implementation that it was bad to begin with

Sorry must've misunderstood when you replied directly to his post & started out by saying "that makes no difference". My bad.

[cdj]

If you listen to the podcast he talks about how you have to completely change the way you play. Now, I'm sure he's just building hype around the engine but it is frustrating to hear that...and then hear its not in NCAA. :glare:

Thanks - I'll make to sure to listen to it this evening once the E3 festivities die down.

[ryby6969]

BTW, before you guys go cancelling your pre-orders, I'd hold off for a little while. Not saying you should keep it, but A) you can no longer get release day shipping (if you change your mind) and B) the announcement might give you some kind of hope or different feeling. Not saying it's going to make you forget about RTP.

I don't preorder anyway. I planned on getting season pass so I can download it early and just pick it up on that Tuesday it comes out. Pre-Order bonuses do not mean much to me at this point. I play OD, it would take a miracle for me to change my mind at the moment. Maybe I will calm down with time, but the demo will be the deciding factor for me. The are just lucky the Madden demo will not be out before the release of NCAA.

[beartide06]

BTW, before you guys go cancelling your pre-orders, I'd hold off for a little while. Not saying you should keep it, but A) you can no longer get release day shipping (if you change your mind) and B) the announcement might give you some kind of hope or different feeling. Not saying it's going to make you forget about RTP.

This, my friends, this. There is obviously something yet to be released that most of us will enjoy. It may not be to the caliber of RTP, but it could definitely a feature worth being excited for. And, it may be something that Madden doesn't have. also, next year the Infinity engine will be better input into NCAA since they will have worked out any flaws in the system. Look at it this way, Madden's RTP engine is a Beta for what will be in NCAA next year :)

[Rudy]

I wish NCAA was better than Madden but I'm just really tired of the way players move in NCAA. The good news is you guys won't hear me bitch about it anymore lol. I'm just focusing on Madden and I hope the franchise/connected career mode holds my interest longer. I know that part won't be as much fun as NCAA's dynasty mode but offline gameplay is priority #1 for me. NCAA 12 was a big disappointment to me last year as I thought Madden 12 was a lot better. The trend just continued this year for what I'm looking for in a football game.

The videos I saw of NCAA 13 did little to impress me. Have no regrets with cancelling my pre-order.

[Deuce]

Thanks - I'll make to sure to listen to it this evening once the E3 festivities die down.

Ya, it's actually a good listen IF you're a Madden fan. ;).

[Big Blue]

Sadly this MAY be the first year I buy Madden over NCAA. This is terrible considering I am a die hard college fan and casual NFL fan. I am really pulling for NCAA to make some great announcements but I doubt they can top RTP.... :(

[Big Blue]

You never know though, the RTP in Madden could be implemented horribly and the game could suck! I could actually see the old system (NCAA) working better than RTP (Madden) if it was rushed and consequently buggy and unpolished. There is hope for NCAA!

[Rudy]

You never know though, the RTP in Madden could be implemented horribly and the game could suck! I could actually see the old system (NCAA) working better than RTP (Madden) if it was rushed and consequently buggy and unpolished. There is hope for NCAA!

The first year may be rough but I think it will be fun. Still a monster black eye for NCAA.

[Big Blue]

The first year may be rough but I think it will be fun. Still a monster black eye for NCAA.

I agree, it will be a lot of fun to mess around with a new gameplay engine even if it is buggy. It will be a breath of fresh air.

[Treadstone6700]

No importing of draft classes from NCAA to Madden this year either.How much longer do we have to wait to hear the 'good' news considering all we've heard from e3 thus far are huge disappointments?

[SmoothPancakes]

No importing of draft classes from NCAA to Madden this year either.How much longer do we have to wait to hear the 'good' news considering all we've heard from e3 thus far are huge disappointments?

True, but that's a Madden issue for us to bitch about, since it's Madden's Connected Careers mode that is, for whatever reason (haven't read the blogs yet), making it impossible to import draft classes from NCAA to Madden.

[Rudy]

I've read some about Connected Careers and seen a little video and I still am not sure how this affects me as an offline franchise guy. Do I pick GM or Coach? I don't want to set the prices of hot dogs but I want to still sign, cut and draft guys in addition to just playing the game normally.

[Rudy]

How much longer do we have to wait to hear the 'good' news considering all we've heard from e3 thus far are huge disappointments?

I agree. Where is this great news and when do we get it? I'm not expecting much. EA has done a great job of screwing up and minimizing NCAA Football. Will NCAA be tucked in a dark corner of E3 again? I really do wonder if the lawsuits over player likeness will lead to EA just bailing on NCAA Football. I just don't understand the treatment of this series. The gap between NCAA and Madden is wider than ever imo.

[gschwendt]

True, but that's a Madden issue for us to bitch about, since it's Madden's Connected Careers mode that is, for whatever reason (haven't read the blogs yet), making it impossible to import draft classes from NCAA to Madden.Not sure if the blogs go into great detail about it or do it justice, but it's understandable based on the scope of Connected Careers. They developed this for the past two years (or more). Players have stories (draft prospects, etc.) and it would have been difficult to do those same stories with imported players and do it right. It's something they want to do, but they want to make sure it isn't half-assed when they do it.


I've read some about Connected Careers and seen a little video and I still am not sure how this affects me as an offline franchise guy. Do I pick GM or Coach? I don't want to set the prices of hot dogs but I want to still sign, cut and draft guys in addition to just playing the game normally.I honestly don't know if Madden has GM mode or not in the game. My understanding from reading around is that you're either a coach or a player. If you're a coach, you play the game as you do today whereas if you're a player, you can be in the same universe as the human-controlled coaches, but you're only controlling that one guy. I haven't seen anything in regards to being on the same team (ie you coach, I play) but I'd be willing to bet not.

And there's no more offline vs online franchise, it's the same mode now. Not sure if that means that you have to be connected online in order to play any franchise game or if that just means that whenever you start, if there's only one player, it won't ever have to hit the servers.

[SCClassof93]

I am still looking forward to NCAA if the bugs/crashes have been worked out. The fun times in an on line dynasty with friends will guarantee I get my $ worth out of it just like Tiger Woods. BTW what does any of this have to do with Tiger Woods 13? :fp:

[Treadstone6700]

So no 'good' NCAA announcement today I take it? :fp:

[gschwendt]

So no 'good' NCAA announcement today I take it? :fp:Obviously still possible to come today but no, it certainly hasn't been made yet.

[Treadstone6700]

Obviously still possible to come today but no, it certainly hasn't been made yet.

Thanks for the response, I appreciate it. Just been a disappointing day for NCAA fans, thought EA would have countered with the good news today if only to try to save face from a PR standpoint

[JeffHCross]

I just heard you can creat a play in madden did i hear wrong?Yeah, I love how Microsoft just slipped the "concept" part in there, and then claimed at the end that you can do it. I'll be stunned to see it happen. If it does, it's just going to be a "quicker" way to do something that's already in the game. No way they screw an entire console (PS3) for "SmartGlass".

[baseballplyrmvp]

this sucks.....i hope that madden is buggy as hell now to make it look like a smart decision for ncaa holding off on it.

[JBHuskers]

this sucks.....i hope that madden is buggy as hell now to make it look like a smart decision for ncaa holding off on it.

Wishing for that is probably the worst thing to wish for.

[ram29jackson]

this sucks.....i hope that madden is buggy as hell now to make it look like a smart decision for ncaa holding off on it.

oh come on..no way, Its Madden ! I still want both to do well in every way..they are both primary sports games for me...practically the reasons i've learned anything about internet and a few things connected to it.

this year I want at least to be in 2 NCAA online dyn's and one madden Franchise and stick for at least 6 months if not more...I have to admit, over the last 4 months, Madden has become more interesting just playing the current games themselves

[baseballplyrmvp]

Wishing for that is probably the worst thing to wish for.for the growth of both franchises....you're probably right.

but since ncaa is practically the ONLY sports game that i play, its mostly just sour grapes that rtp isnt in ncaa.

[gschwendt]

Not exactly E3 but a new trailer was added to the XBL marketplace today. We've grabbed it and uploaded it to Youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi9KOjjOteI

[NaptownMVP]

That actually made me more depressed.

[Gator3guy]

All that and NO USC SONG GIRLS???

[ram29jackson]

Not exactly E3 but a new trailer was added to the XBL marketplace today. We've grabbed it and uploaded it to Youtube.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi9KOjjOteI


27 seconds in...the VT defender is right in front of the player receiving the pitch and does nothing

[psusnoop]

27 seconds in...the VT defender is right in front of the player receiving the pitch and does nothing

Ram, gotta agree what the hell is that defender doing in that play?? He is right there and just watches the ball literally go right past him. It looks like he was stuck in an animation or something. Makes me think of when a DB gets stuck in an animation and doesn't jump or make a play on the football.

[gschwendt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=arYANNZ8I-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M1OZzhBPkB0

[JeffHCross]

Not exactly E3 but a new trailer was added to the XBL marketplace today. We've grabbed it and uploaded it to Youtube.Stop spending so much time on making smoke come out of the TGT grill, and spend time on actual site improvements!

#GraphicsVsGameplayArgument #TotallyKidding

[gschwendt]

First major knock (for me at least) against Madden is that still no custom playbooks in online franchise (or any online game for that matter). That's significant enough that I might not jump into Madden Franchise as much as I'd like to. I essentially used nothing but custom playbooks in NCAA12 and hated that I couldn't do the same in Madden12.

[Rudy]

Pastapadre's Madden initial impressions: http://www.pastapadre.com/2012/06/05/e3-madden-nfl-13-day-one-thoughts#more-60244

[Rudy]

Per Pasta: Madden's free agency won't be the e-bay style bidding of last year. It will be more like NCAA's recruiting. There will be a 4 or 5 week/period of it and every period you make an offer. Sim the week and find out if you get the guy so you better come with a good offer.

[gschwendt]

Interview with Ben Haumiller regarding RTP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uu6TATWnbJs

[Kwizzy]

Interview with Ben Haumiller regarding RTP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uu6TATWnbJs

Pretty much what we thought. I can live with that explaination completely as it seems like they made the prudent decision.

[Deuce]

You know...I think one thing people miss is that Ben was probably just as pissed as anyone about not being able to get the infinity engine in 13.

[Kwizzy]

You know...I think one thing people miss is that Ben was probably just as pissed as anyone about not being able to get the infinity engine in 13.
:up:

[cts]

As happy as I am with what I'm seeing in the demo (and hopefully with the Retail), I have absolutely no issue waiting until next year to get RTP.

At first I was concerned about the whole "Imagine what this will be like NEXT year" feeling bugging me all year this year ... but like I said in another thread, with all of the small things they added to '13, it feels fresh enough to get me through it. Now I kinda feel like we'll have a great game this year, AND can look forward to something that is hopefully groundbreaking next year.

[Tarhead10]

You know...I think one thing people miss is that Ben was probably just as pissed as anyone about not being able to get the infinity engine in 13.

Yeah you know it has to suck to be Ben, when the Madden team seems to get all the goods, he is stuck with delivering sour news for his team.... He should get more credit...

[psuexv]

Yeah you know it has to suck to be Ben, when the Madden team seems to get all the goods, he is stuck with delivering sour news for his team.... He should get more credit...

If he wasn't an FSU fan I might give him more :D

[Tarhead10]

If he wasn't an FSU fan I might give him more :D

True I didnt think about that!!! :D

[JeffHCross]

Sucks that the video is no longer available ...


Per Pasta: Madden's free agency won't be the e-bay style bidding of last year. It will be more like NCAA's recruiting. There will be a 4 or 5 week/period of it and every period you make an offer. Sim the week and find out if you get the guy so you better come with a good offer.Yep, there goes my order of Madden. The bidding style was one of the things about Madden 12 that appealed to me, and I was going to give it a try with the new Infinity engine too. Not anymore.


You know...I think one thing people miss is that Ben was probably just as pissed as anyone about not being able to get the infinity engine in 13.That's because when you don't actually come out and talk about it, people assume that you were hiding it. I've seen several prominent bloggers/posters over the years say "well, since they're not talking about ____, it must be a bad sign!". Sigh.

[Rudy]

Yep, there goes my order of Madden. The bidding style was one of the things about Madden 12 that appealed to me, and I was going to give it a try with the new Infinity engine too. Not anymore.

Did you try the bidding process last year? Decent in theory but ended up completely unrealistic and annoying to me.

1) Madden never let you view the free agents ahead of time and with only 1:30 to look at every free agent by every position you would miss out on guys. This could be changed and still keep the bidding process but it was annoying.
2) You could always boost your offer at the end and beat the cpu if you kept your eye on it. Basically, you never lost a FA last year if you were willing to pay the money and money was the only thing that mattered. I understand there will be other factors this year which I like (style of play, depth chart, etc). This could be tweaked within the bidding process but it was bad last year.
3) It just wasn't realistic. Real NFL players sometimes take over a week to sort out the best offers while some go right away. All of the big FA last year were gone in the first 1:30 and it was just wrong imo.
4) Overall FA was weak last year. The only good players that hit FA last year were guys near the end of their careers. You would never see a Mario Williams end up a FA. I don't want to see that too often but you do have to have some young studs get on the market every year and that was absent. Not a bidding issue but still an issue.

I think the recruiting idea is the best way. Players should mull over offers and pick one. Money isn't always everything and I think this new addition will be better. Only time will tell. I hope scouting for the draft is much better too. They better give us basic info like 40 times.

[JeffHCross]

Did you try the bidding process last year? Decent in theory but ended up completely unrealistic and annoying to me.No, I never played Madden last year. But the process on Head Coach 09 was extremely similar (if a little less chaotic), and I enjoyed it a lot.

It sucks that they didn't let you look at the FAs ahead of time. There were multiple different ways to get an idea of what FAs were going to come up on Head Coach. Surprised that none of those methods crossed over.

I do agree that there need to be factors besides the money. Head Coach 09 had the same problem with being able to win solely if you had the money. I never complained about it though :D But yes, you don't always take the top offer, and the game needs to reflect that.

So, sounds like they took one aspect (the bidding) of the FA from Head Coach 09 that I really, really enjoyed ... but left out some of the complimentary features. Glad I skipped it now.

[jaymo76]

Although I wasn't a huge fan of the free agent bidding I thought it was a good start that could be tweaked for 13. Now that this is out, importing NCAA classes has been removed, fantasy draft had been reomved, and there is ZERO EDITING of PLAYERS, NUMBERS, EQUIPMENT, POSITIONS, RATINGS, etc. I am probably going to pass on Madden this year. Some of their stuff looks really good but taking away user customization is a HUGE mistake IMO.

[ram29jackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS6qfDCXvvg&feature=g-all-u

[gschwendt]

Hands-on Preview from OS after playing NCAA13 at E3... nothing really new though.
http://www.operationsports.com/previews/152/ncaa-football-13-hands-on/

[JeffHCross]

EDIT: Brainfart.

[Little Steve]

Although I wasn't a huge fan of the free agent bidding I thought it was a good start that could be tweaked for 13. Now that this is out, importing NCAA classes has been removed, fantasy draft had been reomved, and there is ZERO EDITING of PLAYERS, NUMBERS, EQUIPMENT, POSITIONS, RATINGS, etc. I am probably going to pass on Madden this year. Some of their stuff looks really good but taking away user customization is a HUGE mistake IMO.

Little bit of Ram in ya?
But it does bother me when my MLB is #1, i always change that.

[Jayrah]

Although I wasn't a huge fan of the free agent bidding I thought it was a good start that could be tweaked for 13. Now that this is out, importing NCAA classes has been removed, fantasy draft had been reomved, and there is ZERO EDITING of PLAYERS, NUMBERS, EQUIPMENT, POSITIONS, RATINGS, etc. I am probably going to pass on Madden this year. Some of their stuff looks really good but taking away user customization is a HUGE mistake IMO.+1

[jaymo76]

Little bit of Ram in ya?
But it does bother me when my MLB is #1, i always change that.

It's not that I obsess about it but more that I like the power to do what I want with the game I pay for. User Customization was asked for year after year and then we finally get it in Madden only to be removed the next year. Same thing goes for playbooks. We finally get customization and then they are removed the next year. That is the type of stuff that puts me off. Loyal customers such as myself WHO BUY YEAR AFTER YEAR ARE SICK AND TIRED OF WATCHING FEATURES COME AND THEN BE REMOVED. I understand why EA is saying they need to remove these things but when I see what I get from CC versus what I lose, it's just not worth it. Add twitter and news stories to Madden 12 and we are set.

[JeffHCross]

Jaymo, can you clarify what you're reading/hearing/seeing? Are you talking there's no editing anything inside Franchise mode, or are you including Roster editing as well? I assume the former, but I keep thinking the latter for some reason. I can understand why some of those edits would be removed, but no equipment editing is mind-boggling.

[jaymo76]

Jaymo, can you clarify what you're reading/hearing/seeing? Are you talking there's no editing anything inside Franchise mode, or are you including Roster editing as well? I assume the former, but I keep thinking the latter for some reason. I can understand why some of those edits would be removed, but no equipment editing is mind-boggling.

From what I am led to believe there is ZERO editing of anything. That includes rosters, ratings, numbers, and equipment. Apparently you can only edit when you create a coach/player. That is what I have heard from OS anyways. As to custom playbooks they are not in franchise but may be available in play now.

[jaymo76]

Here is the twitter account for Josh Looman confirming you cannot edit ANYTHING!!!



@Josh_Looman why the decision not to allow equipment/number changes this year? always liked the ability to micro manage that

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20h Josh Looman‏@Josh_Looman

@asmckenna1215 Wasn’t a decision bit to. We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

[JeffHCross]

Yep, Madden's out for me. Was only interested in Connected Careers, and now I'm not interested in that.

[SmoothPancakes]

Yep, Madden's out for me. Was only interested in Connected Careers, and now I'm not interested in that.

Yep. :( I haven't bought or played Madden 12, and I only bought Madden 10 and 11 used on eBay for cheap just for a couple days to get the easy achievements. I was looking forward to Madden 13 finally being the game to get me back into the Madden series and buy a Madden game brand new on release day. Unfortunately not anymore. Pulling up Amazon and cancelling my Madden pre-order right now. Maybe next year.

[Rudy]

Yep. :( I haven't bought or played Madden 12, and I only bought Madden 10 and 11 used on eBay for cheap just for a couple days to get the easy achievements. I was looking forward to Madden 13 finally being the game to get me back into the Madden series and buy a Madden game brand new on release day. Unfortunately not anymore. Pulling up Amazon and cancelling my Madden pre-order right now. Maybe next year.

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Madden 12. I liked a lot of things better about it than NCAA at least with regards to gameplay. Not everyone felt that way certainly but the games were different. No real point in buying M12 now though. You've got the NCAA demo and then NCAA 13 drops in 4 weeks.

[SmoothPancakes]

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Madden 12. I liked a lot of things better about it than NCAA at least with regards to gameplay. Not everyone felt that way certainly but the games were different. No real point in buying M12 now though. You've got the NCAA demo and then NCAA 13 drops in 4 weeks.

I may pick up Madden 12 for cheap on eBay if the prices ever come down. I got Madden 10 and 11 in June for super cheap the last two years, but Madden 12 is still up there in price. I'll end up getting it cheap eventually solely to get the 1000 gamerscore on it (NCAA and Madden are two of the easiest games every year for an easy 1000 gamerscore. Whenever I get around to buying it, I can keep it a little bit and try it out and let you know my thoughts. I only kept Madden 11 for 3 days, long enough to get all the achievements and then ship it right back out on eBay.

[Rudy]

20h Josh Looman‏@Josh_Looman

@asmckenna1215 Wasn’t a decision bit to. We just ran out of time. It will be in there at some point in the future.

I do find it funny that we just get an article on Kotaku that the Madden version at E3 was still alpha and there is plenty of time to tweak RTP and then you get a tweak that says there is no time to allow any editing. Funny how that works.

[JeffHCross]

I do find it funny that we just get an article on Kotaku that the Madden version at E3 was still alpha and there is plenty of time to tweak RTP and then you get a tweak that says there is no time to allow any editing. Funny how that works.Tweaking the existing physics and adding in whole new aspects of features are generally going to be two completely different levels of effort, testing, and, most importantly, risk.

[jaymo76]

Tweaking the existing physics and adding in whole new aspects of features are generally going to be two completely different levels of effort, testing, and, most importantly, risk.

True... but the thing I don't get is that these features were in the game last year. So in theory they should not have to add it they should be able to tweak it to fit the new scheme. I'm sure it's not that simple but how do you brag about new features one year (custom playbook, full editing) and then remove them the next year and say there wasn't enough time to put them in???:down:

[jaymo76]

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on Madden 12. I liked a lot of things better about it than NCAA at least with regards to gameplay. Not everyone felt that way certainly but the games were different. No real point in buying M12 now though. You've got the NCAA demo and then NCAA 13 drops in 4 weeks.

Yeah, I agree Rudy. I found Madden superior in gameplay to NCAA 12. If Madden could have added the concept behind CC complete with fake twitter and news stories., etc and added that to what Madden 12 had, this would be a day one purchase. Two steps forward and one step back... that's the Madden mantra of PS3 (COUGH, COUGH, "EXTRA POINT" COUGH, COUGH).

[Rudy]

I don't think just adding twitter stories would have been good enough for franchise improvements - at least for me Jaymo. I liked the preseason stuff of hiding ratings and trying to find a gem amongst the undrafted FA last year. I actually played parts of preseason games to give them playing time and check out my rookies. But over time I realized the scouting was useless and I didn't like the FA system which didn't let me advance scout anyone and never had any good young players available (just mediocre ones). The only decisions were based on money and you could always win if you want.

By the time I got to my third season with Miami I just didn't care much anymore. I never felt connected to my team which I would never say about NCAA dynasty. By your third year in NCAA a lot of your players are your own recruits who you love and want to see develop. It feels like your team now but in Madden it felt as though I had little impact on my team. Some of that will always be true due to less roster turnover but I'm hoping for big improvements in franchise. I think the new FA system will be a real positive but I want more details. Scouting needs to be improved big time as well and I think it was but still don't know how that's changed.

[JeffHCross]

I'm sure it's not that simple but how do you brag about new features one year (custom playbook, full editing) and then remove them the next year and say there wasn't enough time to put them in???:down:Well, I can understand that. It's weird, and not a good thing for the series, but I can actually understand it. What I don't get is removing equipment and numbers. Those two have been in the game for a loooooooooooooong time.

[gschwendt]

Ben Haumiller talking about Studio Updates in NCAA13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYETeWgPx1A

[beartide06]

Ben Haumiller talking about Studio Updates in NCAA13

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYETeWgPx1A

Alabama only beating Western Kentucky 26-21 is a thought I never want to have cross my mind. I will pretend I did not see that in this video. :smh:

[jaymo76]

The end of that interview with regards to the future of broadcast presentation sounds exciting. Fingers crossed in 14 for actual highlights as well as a real pre game show and a weekly wrap-up show.

[gschwendt]

Gameplay videos from MadScientist at E3. Alabama at Oregon, user vs user, all four quarters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNT5-FsLgOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP06b3sxpaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2uFb4gY1Hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWbqwBLNqqc

[Deuce]

Damn...just pulled up the last video. Very little scoring! Awesome! :up:

[Dr Death]

Alabama only beating Western Kentucky 26-21 is a thought I never want to have cross my mind. I will pretend I did not see that in this video. :smh:

The Hilltoppers R-U-L-E man... didn't you know this??? :D :D :D

[Dr Death]

Damn...just pulled up the last video. Very little scoring! Awesome! :up:

Keep ion mind that they are only playing 4:00 minute quarters though. Not much more than the demo.

[Deuce]

Keep ion mind that they are only playing 4:00 minute quarters though. Not much more than the demo.

True...but i still like what I saw. I was afraid it would be a scoring fest with the new passing system. It's only one game BUT it's also the only game we've seen on AA. I'm pretty pleased.

[beartide06]

The Hilltoppers R-U-L-E man... didn't you know this??? :D :D :D

Maybe South will be able to pull that off in the years to come :D

Ya know, that's not nice... if I ever see this occur in real life I'll hide in shame for days. That is almost as bad as when Bama lost to UL Monroe a few years back 21-14. I thought the world was coming to an end...

[beartide06]

I noticed in the Alabama vs Oregon video, it says he is playing the "CPU" at the beginning of the video's. Well, he is obviously not playing the CPU. and whomever keeps taking over as Alabama doesn't stop dropping back or moving, they throw on the run and off of their back foot a lot, and they are not a good representation of how the CPU would play. So, what is the deal with that?

[baseballplyrmvp]

so the last couple of years, they've released the new updates to teambuilder around e3......anyone have any insight as to when teambuilder13 is coming?

[Tarhead10]

so the last couple of years, they've released the new updates to teambuilder around e3......anyone have any insight as to when teambuilder13 is coming?

Dont know if it means anything, but when I tried to go on the site it says down for maintenance.... So could be soon...

[gschwendt]

so the last couple of years, they've released the new updates to teambuilder around e3......anyone have any insight as to when teambuilder13 is coming?

Dont know if it means anything, but when I tried to go on the site it says down for maintenance.... So could be soon...
Just FYI... last year's Teambuilder and Online Dynasty websites were released on 7/2.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Just FYI... last year's Teambuilder and Online Dynasty websites were released on 7/2.

so pretty much anytime before the game ships.....got it.

[ram29jackson]

it was only like a weak before,last year

[Dr Death]

so the last couple of years, they've released the new updates to teambuilder...

New Updates??? :D :D :D What new updates have ever been put into Teambuilder???

[gschwendt]

New Updates??? :D :D :D What new updates have ever been put into Teambuilder???
Hey... you can't knock last year's update. You got Baylor's bear as a selectable mascot. :up:

[baseballplyrmvp]

New Updates??? :D :D :D What new updates have ever been put into Teambuilder???

um.....:dunno: we got that chest text option that one year. :D thats about the only "addition" thats been added since its creation (besides the obvious of new unis/stadiums/mascots)

[gschwendt]

Dynasty Mode videos courtesy MadScientist from Maddenmatrix.com (http://Maddenmatrix.com)

Part 1 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmeMCAoy_b8
Part 2 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8DWuY7MNWk&feature=plcp
Part 3 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvt9F_-3oWA&feature=channel&list=UL
Part 4 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDwdsgm8Hw&feature=channel&list=UL

I'll add the other videos when they're ready (I assume in the morning).

[ram29jackson]

Jumbo heavy = more cheese

[baseballplyrmvp]

on part 4, at the 3:25 mark or so, he promises the "no redshirt first year on campus" promise, and gets 94 points for the pitch with a 79 point bonus for coach integrity.

are promises still based on the 0-200 scale? with the coach integrity bonus in there, is it possible to get like 300 points for a promise or is 200 still the max for all promises?

[gschwendt]

on part 4, at the 3:25 mark or so, he promises the "no redshirt first year on campus" promise, and gets 94 points for the pitch with a 79 point bonus for coach integrity.

are promises still based on the 0-200 scale? with the coach integrity bonus in there, is it possible to get like 300 points for a promise or is 200 still the max for all promises?No idea. Have to likely wait until we have retail copies.

[baseballplyrmvp]

i'm hating that juke move more and more everytime i see it in action. :fp:

[morsdraconis]

Jumbo heavy = more cheese

Yeah. Jumbo heavy on 1st and 10 means I don't watch your shit anymore.

Talk about sad.

:smh:

[Marlowe]

Yeah. Jumbo heavy on 1st and 10 means I don't watch your shit anymore.

Talk about sad.

:smh:



not to get off topic but what is cheese about it? Just curious.

[gschwendt]

Part 1-4 are above, Part 5-8 will be in this post.

Part 5 of 8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifS_DDc8zCc&feature=plcp

[souljahbill]

Pics from MaddenMatrix video 1 of the pitches (captured through my iPhone)
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[xGRIDIRONxGURUx]

on video 5... at the end there on the CPU's 4th & inches... a hail mary call? really? and then no scramble with 2 wide open lanes... on video #1 he didnt change the house rules at all before starting so that on AA... that's kind of disappointing to see

[CLW]

No A+ Academics @ :Duke: :smh:

I suppose they could also be an A+ and the list of A+ schools is just too long to fit on the screen?

[gschwendt]

CPU vs CPU
Army vs Navy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhWyH-Dy-aQ&feature=youtu.be

Alabama vs LSU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiunZpvziMw&feature=channel&list=UL

UCLA at USC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6W1PWLeyk&feature=channel&list=UL

USC at Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdrIJx9ViMs&feature=channel&list=UL

[gschwendt]

Michigan vs Ohio State

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7iYBTav32Y&feature=channel&list=UL

[souljahbill]

No A+ Academics @ :Duke: :smh:

I suppose they could also be an A+ and the list of A+ schools is just too long to fit on the screen?

You didn't get the memo that :USC: had a higher academic prestige then :Duke:?

[morsdraconis]

not to get off topic but what is cheese about it? Just curious.

Because it's already easy enough to run the ball without being cheesy and using Jumbo heavy formations during times when it's not logical to be going heavy formation (1st and 10 and near the middle of the field).

It's a different story when he did it on 3rd and 1. That's fine and certainly acceptable, but to do it numerous other times when it's not necessary to go jumbo formation like that is just silly. There's a reason why teams don't do that in real life and it's just cheesy to do it in the video game because it doesn't play anywhere close to real life in the trenches where the limitations of jumbo formations would be most evident.

[Kwizzy]

Because it's already easy enough to run the ball without being cheesy and using Jumbo heavy formations during times when it's not logical to be going heavy formation (1st and 10 and near the middle of the field).

It's a different story when he did it on 3rd and 1. That's fine and certainly acceptable, but to do it numerous other times when it's not necessary to go jumbo formation like that is just silly. There's a reason why teams don't do that in real life and it's just cheesy to do it in the video game because it doesn't play anywhere close to real life in the trenches where the limitations of jumbo formations would be most evident.

Nebraska & Wisconsin both do it in real life, just off the top of my head. Nebraska ran an entire drive all the way down the field against Washington strickly out of 23 personnel running the same play.

[xGRIDIRONxGURUx]

army v navy game was a bit disappointing... and WOW at this guy playing as Ohio State... terrible...

[xGRIDIRONxGURUx]

Nebraska & Wisconsin both do it in real life, just off the top of my head. Nebraska ran an entire drive all the way down the field against Washington strickly out of 23 personnel running the same play.

Stanford will go jumbo quick on you... i always dread it when we (Ducks) play them...

[Kwizzy]

Stanford will go jumbo quick on you... i always dread it when we (Ducks) play them...

Yeah, so I think it's off base to say that teams don't do it IRL. Not arguing that whether it is or isn't cheese based on how the game plays but it's not unrealistic.

[ryby6969]

If it is okay for someone to go 5 wide all game, I have no problem with a someone lining up in Ace Jumbo on 1st and 10. If it was Goaline or Maryland I that would be different, but Ace Jumbo is perfectly acceptable to me. Hell, I like doing it and calling a PA and trying to catch them napping deep.

[Deuce]

army v navy game was a bit disappointing...

ya, they need to work on the CPU pitch logic. The option looked pretty bad.

[ram29jackson]

Nebraska & Wisconsin both do it in real life, just off the top of my head. Nebraska ran an entire drive all the way down the field against Washington strickly out of 23 personnel running the same play.

kwizzy, youve been around long enough to realize the in real life argument is childish when refering to how defensive logic in a video game works/doesnt work when trying to stop abused/overly used plays in a video game.

in this game the last couple years, any running play with 3 or 4 TE's gaurantees you chunks of yards in a unrealistic fashion.

I played a guy last year in a practice type game where we did nothing but run from heavy formations against eachother. While we didnt rack up a ton of points. We kept driving long distances down field even though we knew we were only running /doing run plays. Its unrealistically effective.

[WolverineJay]

Did you try the bidding process last year? Decent in theory but ended up completely unrealistic and annoying to me.

1) Madden never let you view the free agents ahead of time and with only 1:30 to look at every free agent by every position you would miss out on guys. This could be changed and still keep the bidding process but it was annoying.
2) You could always boost your offer at the end and beat the cpu if you kept your eye on it. Basically, you never lost a FA last year if you were willing to pay the money and money was the only thing that mattered. I understand there will be other factors this year which I like (style of play, depth chart, etc). This could be tweaked within the bidding process but it was bad last year.
3) It just wasn't realistic. Real NFL players sometimes take over a week to sort out the best offers while some go right away. All of the big FA last year were gone in the first 1:30 and it was just wrong imo.
4) Overall FA was weak last year. The only good players that hit FA last year were guys near the end of their careers. You would never see a Mario Williams end up a FA. I don't want to see that too often but you do have to have some young studs get on the market every year and that was absent. Not a bidding issue but still an issue.

I think the recruiting idea is the best way. Players should mull over offers and pick one. Money isn't always everything and I think this new addition will be better. Only time will tell. I hope scouting for the draft is much better too. They better give us basic info like 40 times.

After seeing all those E3 Madden videos, I got the bug to put in Madden 12 and fire up my forgotten Lions Franchise (last played in January). Turns out I was in the off-season at the retirement stage (annoying that I couldn't talk my player into coming back one more year like in NCAA). I always looked at the available free agents after each team's re-signing period and before the scouting combine stage simply by going into the roster management area within the Franchise menu. I would switch teams until it listed free agents and all the players were shown who were available. Granted you're right Rudy there are not many 85+ players to choose from so it makes free agency bidding a bit anti-climatic. I had a small wishlist and if I was outbid I just aquired more picks for the draft (up to 20 picks was huge for my rebuilding process since I gutted the team in the off-season). I will not be getting Madden 13 because of everything EA Tiburon chose to remove from my Franchise experience so its Madden 12 for another year at least.

[Rudy]

That was frustrating about Madden 12. There might have been some things in there that were cool but the menu system was so bad you couldn't find it. I think there might have been a draft grade report on every team after the draft and I never saw it. It should have just popped up automatically for me. For me the pluses outweigh the negatives in the new offline franchise for Madden 13 but I understand how others would disagree.

[Kansacity88]

kwizzy, youve been around long enough to realize the in real life argument is childish when refering to how defensive logic in a video game works/doesnt work when trying to stop abused/overly used plays in a video game.

in this game the last couple years, any running play with 3 or 4 TE's gaurantees you chunks of yards in a unrealistic fashion.

I played a guy last year in a practice type game where we did nothing but run from heavy formations against eachother. While we didnt rack up a ton of points. We kept driving long distances down field even though we knew we were only running /doing run plays. Its unrealistically effective.

LOL!! Was that you against the SCC coach in my dynasty? I think he told me about that, and he agreed that you could get yards up the a$$ in that formation. Too funny that I remember that....

[ram29jackson]

LOL!! Was that you against the SCC coach in my dynasty? I think he told me about that, and he agreed that you could get yards up the a$$ in that formation. Too funny that I remember that....


:) just doing my part

[Rudy]

I've tried not to post much about NCAA 13 anymore because I've largely turned the page and made the decision to go with Madden 13. I'm not trying to annoy you guys but I watched this video and it annoyed me. In the video (cpu vs cpu) Georgia gets the ball early in the 3rd quarter and runs two straight option plays. Seriously? I don't see them doing that with Aaron Murray in real life and the option decision the cpu makes with him at 3:05 is beyond awful and so lucky it wasn't a fumble. It's 2nd and 13 now so what do they do after the strong armed Aaron Murray just ran a horrible option play? Run another one!! I just shake my head at this stuff as its very frustrating to me as an offline only gamer.

I've seen nothing in the info about this game that shows an improvement to cpu AI. It's all about online these days and who cares if the cpu is an idiot in their play selection or execution. Just knowing how to use their best players is a big problem.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R5XEl8-3Qrg

[souljahbill]

I've tried not to post much about NCAA 13 anymore because I've largely turned the page and made the decision to go with Madden 13. I'm not trying to annoy you guys but I watched this video and it annoyed me. In the video (cpu vs cpu) Georgia gets the ball early in the 3rd quarter and runs two straight option plays. Seriously? I don't see them doing that with Aaron Murray in real life and the option decision the cpu makes with him at 3:05 is beyond awful and so lucky it wasn't a fumble. It's 2nd and 13 now so what do they do after the strong armed Aaron Murray just ran a horrible option play? Run another one!! I just shake my head at this stuff as its very frustrating to me as an offline only gamer.

I've seen nothing in the info about this game that shows an improvement to cpu AI. It's all about online these days and who cares if the cpu is an idiot in their play selection or execution. Just knowing how to use their best players is a big problem.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R5XEl8-3Qrg

I watched the whole game on OS last night. There was some crazy stuff in that 3rd quarter.

1) Yeah, that option stuff was kinda bad. Not sure what was worse. It being called 2 plays in a row or the fact that the defense seemed to be on it instantly despite it not being ran at all previously (psychic D).

2) What defense was GA in for Mizzou to have not 1 BUT 2 wide-the-f-open receivers deep on that TD play?

3) Glad they FINALLY cut to the studio for that Ball State/Clemson game. Ball St. went up 24-10 early in the 3rd but the game was never cut in on it until it was 24-24 near the end of 3rd.

I can't lie though, watching the ticker throughout the game and *Spoiler Alert* seeing that Ball St. actually pulled off the upset was pretty damn tight!

[Rudy]

I didn't even watch much of that game at all lol. I skipped the first video thinking it would just be the opening sequence and went straight to the 2nd video which was right after halftime. I did see the Mizzou QB run a good read but on their first possession but then I got pissed off watching that junk Georgia ran and just quit watching the video altogether. This is where tendencies by QB would be huge like Madden has. How quick a QB to tuck and run, run an option play, etc. It's not just about speed and awareness ratings. Madden feels more personalized in how players behave while NCAA feels extremely generic and it annoys me to see the cpu not use their talent right.

[beartide06]

I've tried not to post much about NCAA 13 anymore because I've largely turned the page and made the decision to go with Madden 13. I'm not trying to annoy you guys but I watched this video and it annoyed me. In the video (cpu vs cpu) Georgia gets the ball early in the 3rd quarter and runs two straight option plays. Seriously? I don't see them doing that with Aaron Murray in real life and the option decision the cpu makes with him at 3:05 is beyond awful and so lucky it wasn't a fumble. It's 2nd and 13 now so what do they do after the strong armed Aaron Murray just ran a horrible option play? Run another one!! I just shake my head at this stuff as its very frustrating to me as an offline only gamer.

I've seen nothing in the info about this game that shows an improvement to cpu AI. It's all about online these days and who cares if the cpu is an idiot in their play selection or execution. Just knowing how to use their best players is a big problem.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R5XEl8-3Qrg


Do you think that maybe the difficulty could have an impact on what plays the CPU decides to call? If the CPU vs CPU game is on Varsity, that could be a reason for the poor play-calling.

[Rudy]

Do you think that maybe the difficulty could have an impact on what plays the CPU decides to call? If the CPU vs CPU game is on Varsity, that could be a reason for the poor play-calling.

I don't think the difficulty impacts play calling. I've seen stupid stuff like this on AA and Heisman in the past. I see no reason to believe this would be better on the higher difficulties. Maybe a GC can comment on this.

I'd also love to hear from the Game Changers on whether EA actually studies their game from a cpu vs cpu perspective. It's a great way to see how the cpu AI is working or not working. Some things become obvious. Maybe the fix is tougher than I realize but some of these problems seem to stick around forever. The cpu seems to have regressed at running screen plays. The play calling in this video is just bad. I just don't think we should be seeing Aaron Murray running the option at all. Certainly not twice in a row and not on 2nd and 13. When the cpu is that dumb and we are this far along in this generation I just conclude EA focuses far more time on online play than playing the cpu.

[JeffHCross]

I'd also love to hear from the Game Changers on whether EA actually studies their game from a cpu vs cpu perspective.I imagine you're asking if they analyze it, rather than just "watch" it, but obviously they at least watch it. They wouldn't post CPU vs CPU gameplay if they were iffy on the content.

[Rudy]

I imagine you're asking if they analyze it, rather than just "watch" it, but obviously they at least watch it. They wouldn't post CPU vs CPU gameplay if they were iffy on the content.

EA didn't post it directly. Madsci did. Does EA edit or approve every video of a game changer?

[JeffHCross]

EA didn't post it directly. Madsci did. Does EA edit or approve every video of a game changer?There is EASPORTS uploaded video of CPUvsCPU. Most of it is MadSci, yes, but there's some that's on the EASports account.