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gschwendt
04-02-2012, 02:55 PM
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Today, the EA SPORTS NCAA Football development team streamed the first look at NCAA Football 13 with their Sights and Sounds webcast. If you missed it you can watch the broadcast here via livestream (http://www.livestream.com/easports/video?clipId=flv_9127083b-bfad-49c2-9aef-902e66c7f441&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb) as well as it's embedded after the break. They have also now given us two blogs: one via paakaa10 (http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/sights-and-sounds-community) and one via developer Christian McLeod discussing the audio portions of the game (http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/audio-blog) to go along with some of the screenshots seen during today's presentation. Continue after the break to watch the video, see the pictures, and read the blogs from today's news as well as a link to the webcast for those that missed it.


Link to Sights and Sounds Community (http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/sights-and-sounds-community) (included below)
Link to Sights and Sounds Audio Blog (http://www.ea.com/ncaa-football/blog/audio-blog) (included below)
Link to Livestream Webcast (http://livestre.am/1mFwS)


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Sights and Sounds Community
Hey NCAA Football fans! My name is Brian Parker and I am a member of the EA SPORTS Game Changers program as well as an attendee for Community Events on both NCAA Football 12 last year and NCAA Football 13 this year.
The development team was kind enough to ask me to share some thoughts regarding the topic of today’s Playbook #1: Sights and Sounds and what that means to me for NCAA Football 13. Since presentation on the whole is something that I care about a lot when it comes to playing games in the NCAA Football series, I’m excited about where things are going for this year’s game.

As part of their continued effort to get the details right for all of the teams featured in the game, the creative team has once again worked on new traditions to incorporate into the pre-game atmosphere for new schools that previously haven’t had their unique game day aspects included. I know that one of the points we as Community Event invitees keep hearing and bringing up is that every school has their own fan base that wants to see as much unique tradition as possible for their team in the game. With each year that passes for development, it feels as though more and more of these fans are getting catered to in this regard, and NCAA Football 13 is no different.
The past few years of NCAA Football titles have featured “progressive lighting” at the end of each quarter of the game to reflect the passage of time during a game, but the creative team was keenly listening to complaints about the transitions “popping in” unnaturally between quarters. NCAA Football 13 is working to address these complaints by featuring lighting which progresses after every play. Between the beginning and end of any given game, you can expect to be playing under lighting conditions which are always changing in accordance with the true light progression of all FBS stadiums.

The same technology used by the Tiger Woods PGA TOUR team to scan Augusta National for the inclusion of The Masters in that game series is also being used in NCAA Football 13 this year to capture the intricate details of some of the brand-new stadiums for FBS play this coming fall; in particular, the new home fields for Florida Atlantic University and North Texas have both been scanned into this year’s game as incredibly faithful virtual reproductions of the real thing. The level of detail for these new stadiums is jaw-dropping, and I can imagine people using FAU and North Texas just to get a highly-accurate digital preview of the new venues before the season starts.

Another aspect of presentation that I’m excited about in NCAA Football 13 is the inclusion of new trophy presentations for a number of games. Of course the BCS Championship Game trophy presentation has been revamped, but you’ll also be seeing ceremonies after Conference Championship games and some Rivalry Games which have trophies awarded as well. As a college football fan who loves the stories and passion behind rivalries in the sport, seeing this extra attention given to these yearly showdowns is a much-welcomed addition to the presentation package.
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People interested in the audio plans for NCAA Football 13 will be excited to hear that the development team attended big games last season—and even got some fan submissions of audio—to help improve the overall experience of what a college football game sounds like. One of the demonstrations at the first Community Event this year included side-by-side comparisons of crowd audio in NCAA Football 12 versus the crowd audio recorded for NCAA Football 13; the written word cannot do justice to how big of an improvement we heard both in terms of the accuracy of crowd noise and chants, as well as the “depth” of sound which happens as a result of sitting in a packed house for a football game.
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Oklahoma '12 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA12+OKLAHOMA.aif) vs Oklahoma '13 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NEW+NCAA13+OKLAHOMA.wav)
Arkansas '12 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA12+ARKANSAS+.aif) vs Arkansas '13
(http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NEW+NCAA13+ARKANSAS.wav)
For as exciting as all of these changes to the Sights and Sounds of NCAA Football 13 are, however, the best is still to come as details on Playbook #2: Gameplay will arrive in just over two weeks. You won’t want to miss learning how the gameplay team is working to make a game that will look and sound better, play better as well!



Audio Blog
Hi NCAA Fans,

Christian McLeod, NCAA Football 13 designer, and I’m here to talk a bit about the audio and commentary improvements we’ve made to this year’s game.

I joined the NCAA Football team in October and have been working on a few different aspects of this year’s game, primarily focused on anything speech and sound related. I’m also a college football fanatic who lives and dies each week during the season with my beloved Michigan State Spartans- GO GREEN! That being said, it should come as no surprise that NCAA Football has been my favorite game to play each year since it was known as Bill Walsh College Football…I’m an EA SPORTS NCAA Football junkie. I’m extremely passionate about the NCAA Football franchise and I can’t even begin to describe how excited I am to be working on the game’s dev team.

Now that you know who I am, let’s get down to business….

Audio Improvements

There’s nothing more important to the atmosphere of college football than the crowd. Whether it’s the swelling of noise after a big play, or the echoing of a team specific chant, we’re making a concerted effort to capture the audio nuances of Saturday (and Thursday for you MAC fans out there!), that make college football so special.

We have a new audio team here at Tiburon dedicated to taking our crowds to the next level. This team is headed by new Audio Director, Aaron Janzen (or as we call him AJ). AJ left the great white north at EA Canada to join us here in sunny Florida in January and we have been working closely together ever since. While in Vancouver, AJ was able to work on both the FIFA and Fight Night series and brings a wealth of sound knowledge to the team—specializing in crowd ambiance. In our time with AJ we’ve been able to harness the same tech and workflows used by games developed in our Vancouver studio.

Our push to deliver the most authentic crowd experience doesn’t stop there. College football is all about the passion of you the fan, and there is no greater spectacle than thousands of rabid, passionate fans supporting their team in unison. Because of this, we’re making a concerted push to get YOUR voice into our game—literally. That’s right, there’s a chance that if you attend a college football game this past fall that you may be a part of NCAA Football 13.

We sent people all over the country, including some of our community members to record crowd audio at games during the season. Below you will find a list of the games we had representatives at this year and if you were in attendance, congratulations, you played an important role in this year’s title.

In addition to the records acquired from games we attended, we also were afforded the opportunity to work with our partner ESPN at this year’s Ohio State vs. Michigan game—one of the most intense and electric atmosphere’s in all of sport. While at the Big House we were able to use a 24 track recorder to pull audio samples that would later be orchestrated by AJ and integrated into our new crowd mix. We hope to continue being able to share in ESPN’s resources and utilize any technological advancements in the future.

Oklahoma at FL State
9/17/11
Attendance: 84,392

Louisiana Monroe at Iowa
9/24/11
Attendance: 70,585

Missouri at Oklahoma
9/24/11
Attendance: 85,547

SMU at TCU
10/1/11
Attendance: 35,632

Auburn at Arkansas
10/8/11
Attendance: 74,191

Arizona at Oregon State
10/8/11
Attendance: 40,403

Arizona State at Oregon
10/15/11
Attendance: 60,055

Oklahoma State at Texas
10/15/11
Attendance: 100,101

UCLA at Arizona
10/20/11
Attendance: 46,565

Washington at Stanford
10/22/11
Attendance: 50,360

Clemson at Georgia Tech
10/29/11
Attendance: 55,646

Purdue at Michigan
10/29/11
Attendance: 112,115

Northwestern at Nebraska
11/5/11
Attendance: 85,115

Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
11/5/11
Attendance: 49,362

Indiana at Ohio State
11/5/11
Attendance: 105,195

Nebraska at Penn State
11/12/11
Attendance: 107,903

TCU at Boise State
11/12/11
Attendance: 34,146

North Carolina at Virginia Tech
11/17/11
Attendance: 50,140

BC at Notre Dame
11/19/11
Attendance: 80,795

Kentucky at Georgia
11/19/11
Attendance: 92,746

Miami at USF
11/19/11
Attendance: 57,572

Arkansas at LSU
11/25/11
Attendance: 93,108

Pittsburgh at West Virginia
11/25/11
Attendance: 60,932

Penn State at Wisconsin
11/26/11
Attendance: 79,708

Plant at Armwood - High School
10/28/11
Attendance: under 1,000

Ohio State at Michigan (ESPN 24-track recording)
11/26/11
Attendance: 114,132

As you can see, it is a priority to visit large, medium, and small stadiums to ensure we stay authentic to the sounds that are generated in each.

We’re already planning our trips for the 2012 college football season, and will let you know what games we will be at so you can be sure to rest your voices, drink some hot tea with honey, and have those pipes ready to represent your team on game day.

Below I’ve attached some assets from NCAA Football 12 and their counterparts that will appear in NCAA Football 13 gathered from a couple of the above games.
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Florida State '12 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA12+FLORIDA+STATE.aif) vs Florida State '13 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NEW+NCAA13+FLORIDA+STATE.aif)
Texas '12 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA12+TEXAS.aif) vs Texas '13 (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NEW+NCAA13+TEXAS.wav)

As I’m sure you will agree, the chants captured for NCAA Football 13 are far superior to anything we’ve captured in the past. Just listening to “Texas Fight” echo through a stadium of 100,000 fans gives me goose bumps, and I’m not even a Texas fan. And listen to the fullness of the new Seminole War Chant captured among over 84,000 Seminole fans. For you Oklahoma fans out there you have to be happy with how deep the tones of Boomer Sooner are compared to our old recording. There simply is no discounting the importance of capturing assets that are provided by you the fan out in the wild- the audio quality is unmatched.

The entire Audio team can’t wait to have you hear the all-new NCAA Football crowd mix this season, complete with the new team-specific chants. We’re all very proud that the mix brings a richer, more robust sound to your favorite college football stadium. There is always more work to be done to create the ultimate NCAA Football crowd, but we are very happy with our year 1 results. You’re going to notice a difference the second you boot up your first game.

COMMENTARY IMPROVEMENTS

Since arriving at EA I began working with the team on a completely new commentary philosophy. The key factors behind this new approach involve increasing the commentator’s contextual awareness and the establishment of a true broadcast flow. What I mean by this is that not only do we want Brad Nessler and Kirk Herbstreit to be smarter about what they are talking about as game progresses; we also want the flow of what they say to be able to mimic the pacing of a real television broadcast. I’m happy to say that after many months of hard work we have made several big strides that will lay the foundation for exciting new commentary additions for years to come.

As the years have progressed, the team has become aware that the commentary engine we were using was handcuffing us from a technological standpoint with regards to accomplishing our commentary goals. The first exciting step we made this year was to move away from our old commentary engine, and move to an engine that was pioneered by our friends up at EAC. The key advantage to the new system is that it allows our commentary to recognize past events via statistical analysis, and then is able to reference them at any time during the game. In previous years, we were working with a very linear system that was limited to addressing only certain plays from the immediate past..

I like to use the following analogy when discussing our new engine’s capabilities—imagine our old system as a traditional chapter book where once you begin reading it you are locked into a defined beginning, middle, and end. Our new engine can be related more closely with a “choose your own adventure” novel—an evolving story with multiple branching paths and different endings. The eventual result in future years will be commentary that is much more dynamic and able to evolve over the course of a game.

Another big advantage to this engine is it allows us to establish a much more natural flow in our broadcast. One of the first areas we utilized this new tech to test it was at the end of each scoring drive and quarter where Nessler announces the score. Our current engine is able to request and return this score data much quicker than the old system. The result is a score summary that flows better, without the pauses and inflection changes by Nessler that have reared their ugly heads in past versions of the game. Feel free to listen to the below example of this change:

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NCAA 12 Score (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA-12-SCORES.WAV) vs NCAA 13 Score (http://eacom.s3.amazonaws.com/NCAA-13-SCORES.WAV)

We’ve also made a big change when it comes to how we approached our scripting and recording sessions thanks to the tutelage of another EAC colleague, Phil Nakis. Phil is an Audio Engineer in Vancouver and has worked on the commentary in MVP Baseball, FIFA, NHL, and Fight Night: Champion, employing new stitch techniques along the way to deliver some of the most natural sounding commentary in sports gaming. Among the most important lessons to be learned from the commentary in the games mentioned above was how Phil and company relied on their voice talent to be the content experts—utilizing the talent’s years of real world broadcasting to create a theatre of the mind in the video game they were calling.

In the past, our team would watch hours upon hours of games that Nessler and Herbstreit called on television, writing lines of scripted commentary that were meant to be in the voice of our talent. We’ve realized that no matter how much tape you watch we were never going to be able to predict how Nessler, and specifically Herbstreit as an analyst, will react and call a situation as it unfolds on the field. Scripting for the two takes away their ability to put events into their own words and provide personal inflections—a key component to capturing a true broadcast sound.

It is because of this that NCAA Football 13 will mark the first year that we’ve moved away from attempting to write scripts for our talent. The process now involves working in the studio with the talent to paint a picture of the game situation and allow them tell the story in their own words. We want both Brad and Kirk to feel like they are in a booth on a Saturday night, and even pump in crowd noise and fight songs into their headphones to get them into the moment.

As speech technology advances so does the desire to blur the lines between video game commentary and a real life broadcast. It was critical to the team that we move in this new direction to help achieve our goals. The resulting commentary sounds extremely natural and is the first step in breaking down that barrier between being just a video game that talks, and a smart virtual football commentary experience. I cannot stress enough how important it is to the team that Nessler, Herbstriet and our mystery voice to be named later, bring their own personalities and banter to our game. These guys are college football experts, and it’s impossible to script the knowledge they bring to the table.

One final note that should be a welcome addition to long time fans of the series: this year we were able to use this new recording approach to refresh thousands of old lines that have become franchise staples. Much like an FPS uses heat map technology that identifies choke points on a map, we are able to look at user commentary telemetry that allows us to analyze how many times a certain line or bank of lines plays. Using this data allowed us to dig into our old commentary scripts to identify the areas where we needed to focus on providing fresh new content and also isolate any instances where we may want to remove certain lines completely.

We realize stale, repetitive commentary lines have been a legacy issue for the series. Personally I can’t tell you how sick I am of hearing Herbie tell me a quarterback was a sitting duck, and how no one likes a sitting duck. I’m happy to not only report the elimination of that wonderful line, but also the elimination of hundreds of other top offenders along with the addition of fresh new lines as replacements. The analysis of commentary telemetry is something that will be very important to us moving forward, and we are focused on enhancing your commentary experience by removing old, tired lines on a yearly basis.

NCAA Football 13 marks year one of a multi-year approach to make our commentary feel truly dynamic and alive across all game modes. Our new engine, new recording style, and ability to identify repetition are all key factors that will allow us to build compelling commentary into our game, engaging fans in the aura of college football.

Thanks for reading and I am so excited for all of you to hear more about what we’ve been working on for NCAA Football 13. The team is incredibly passionate about college football, and is committed to bringing you the most authentic college gridiron experience possible. I’ll be back later with an exciting announcement concerning commentary in Dynasty Mode. Until then, let us know your thoughts on what you’ve heard so far. The team is always listening.

razorback44
04-02-2012, 03:37 PM
We have a new audio team here at Tiburon dedicated to taking our crowds to the next level. This team is headed by new Audio Director, Aaron Janzen (or as we call him AJ). AJ left the great white north at EA Canada to join us here in sunny Florida in January and we have been working closely together ever since. While in Vancouver, AJ was able to work on both the FIFA and Fight Night
This probably excites me more than anything else in the blog. Glad to see they are bringing in some new blood and then on top of that he comes from a FIFA background which is one of EA's best games to date.

beartide06
04-02-2012, 04:17 PM
For the CD guys, what part of the new commentary system will be implemented in this years game? You guys could use an example of what you heard down there. I am just interested to know how much of the new cycle of commentating will be in this year. Will it just be score updates, or will it cover all areas? Thanks in advance for any information.

Rudy
04-02-2012, 06:01 PM
The audio blog sounds like a real good direction for this franchise. Using unscripted commentary is a welcome change. 2K has been doing this for years and it's about time EA started bringing guys in and letting them just comment on the fly. The commentary should be a lot better because of it.

Overall it's a nice start to the info but ultimately will have no impact on my decision to buy this game. Will wait for further blogs.

accfootball14
04-02-2012, 11:14 PM
I was at the VT-UNC game...it was not 50k attendance. Every game has been sold out since '95. Ya there was a spot in the south endzone where people weren't sitting (because it was like 30 degrees and 20 MPH wind) but they were all standing in the corners. Just had to point that out haha. Glad im in the game though :)

gschwendt
04-03-2012, 07:31 PM
More images from yesterday added to our Info Central (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/content.php?535-NCAA-Football-13-News-and-Information-Central) page.

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7214/7043493519_f2e6281fb8_o.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/6897397380_1be3bd67a2_o.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7115/6897397278_9a56742270_o.jpg

beartide06
04-03-2012, 08:07 PM
Does it look like the ball is a bit smaller to anyone else?

illwill10
04-03-2012, 08:12 PM
Does it look like the ball is a bit smaller to anyone else?
It does look somewhat smaller.
But, I think they wouldve announced it with the blog.

gschwendt
04-04-2012, 02:17 PM
A bit more footage from g4tv.com
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57993/ncaa-football-13-gameplay-preview/?quality=hd

Dr Death
04-04-2012, 04:58 PM
A bit more footage from g4tv.com
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57993/ncaa-football-13-gameplay-preview/?quality=hd

Thanks gschwendt... although I didn't see anything new in that video, one thing that I wish EA would address, and I don't know if it's too late for this coming game, but they have white people way TOO white. Take the :USC: Song Girl's for example... these are girls that live in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA... not Northern Alaska... yet all of them look pale white. They have, as far as I know, White - Medium - Dark for player types. They need to expand on white so that people in the game reflect real life people... you know, people who get tanned when in the sun... like the Song Girl's are.

Tune into a :USC: game this year and I'll doubt you see a pale white girl in the group!

Here's just one image of the SG's... even the blondest blonde has a tan:

http://i43.tinypic.com/wwch2e.jpg

Now compare them w/ the SG's in the game:

http://i40.tinypic.com/6fzciv.jpg

Not a complaint... just saying...

souljahbill
04-04-2012, 05:04 PM
Glad to see Olinemen can still be trucked.

Rudy
04-04-2012, 08:04 PM
A bit more footage from g4tv.com
http://www.g4tv.com/videos/57993/ncaa-football-13-gameplay-preview/?quality=hd

The player movement still looks horrible. No weight and momentum. I will never pay full price for another EA football game this generation again. Half price maybe. I can't see me ever loving a game this generation with the people they have in charge. Their vision does not match mine at all. I have never felt more apathetic to an upcoming football video game. I know I'm being very negative but I just see the game as being the same with minor tweaks. That won't cut it for me anymore. I don't even know if I'll be posting here much anymore. I'll just keep playing the Show until the next set of basketball games come out and put my money there instead.

Jayrah
04-05-2012, 02:19 PM
Rudy has a good point here, with the clips that we see (though this isn't a gameplay preview meaning that these plays are taken from the earliest build possible just to show traditions and uniforms and player movement likely will look a lot different by the time the game rolls out due to tweaks and just the simple fact that there's still almost 2 months of development remaining). With the 2 examples of plays we see the players get "locked" into animations and there's not a branching system from many of these animations.

Basically I hope to goodness that with gameplay on the 17th they announce that branching systems apply to more than just tackling this year. DB/WR interactions and OL/DL interactions are where a newly applied branching system would make the most immediate impact. OL/DL is horrible in that a DL can cover so much space in so short a time. In the clip we see, the DE takes a terrible angle inside to bull rush over the OT going to his inside and as big as he is, straightens and turns the corner back to the outside without hesitation to take out a qb that should be out of danger completely based on the momentum of the DE (who honestly should at the very least have to put both hands on the ground if he doesn't fall on his face).

Anyways, back on topic with the actual preview: The addition of all those head-types (40 were seen on the I hope was for more than just RTG. I really hope (and honestly EXPECT) that those were all added to the entire game. Different lengths of hair for even more of a "look" is not the biggest thing for me, but at the same time I really have trouble in a long dynasty connecting my emotion as a "coach" to my players individually when they all look the same. So adding different faces and hair types will go a long way in making a connection with my team as a whole. It's stupid I know, but I definitely need to feel a connection or else I lose my passion for playing after a while. Another piece of info that made me happy to hear from the livestream was that at least 230 new pieces of uniform were added. I assume not all of those are pure uniform changes but also things like masks and arm pieces, etc. Still, I love the fact that they continue to update the look of the game here. For a while they didn't do this as well.

And of course the biggest thing is the crowd noise and upgraded Announcing! What a difference those will make. I hope the crowd noise is not exclusive to just those stadiums at which the sound was taken though, knowing that the crowd chants were only part of why the recordings were made. I am hoping the sounds of the crowd were spread to all teams and then as we move forward with going to each stadium we continue to get more variety. Eventually I'd like to hear each individual stadium have it's own crowd "sound" so that no matter where you go it's a unique sound and experience in game. It is not the most exciting info for a lot of people but heck, that's what this livestream was about and I do love the direction they're going here. This new guy Aaron is a great find and we've been discussing bringing someone from the EA Canada series over to help improve the game. Hopefully we feel the difference.

SmoothPancakes
04-05-2012, 02:34 PM
Jayrah, you really got to add paragraphs. :D

xMrHitStickx904
04-05-2012, 04:18 PM
The player movement still looks horrible. No weight and momentum. I will never pay full price for another EA football game this generation again. Half price maybe. I can't see me ever loving a game this generation with the people they have in charge. Their vision does not match mine at all. I have never felt more apathetic to an upcoming football video game. I know I'm being very negative but I just see the game as being the same with minor tweaks. That won't cut it for me anymore. I don't even know if I'll be posting here much anymore. I'll just keep playing the Show until the next set of basketball games come out and put my money there instead.

It's not gonna happen on these consoles. It could, but we'd have to go 2 years without a new College Football games. Dangerous gamble.

JeffHCross
04-05-2012, 09:01 PM
we'd have to go 2 years without a new College Football games.Even that is a pipe dream. When you think about it from a business standpoint, the whole "2-year cycle", "3-year cycle", etc ideas really fall flat on their face.

cdj
04-06-2012, 10:54 AM
Here is an OS interview with McLeod & Haumiller discussing Presentation. (http://www.operationsports.com/features/1468/ncaa-football-13-interview-sights-and-sounds/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Rudy
04-06-2012, 12:32 PM
It's not gonna happen on these consoles. It could, but we'd have to go 2 years without a new College Football games. Dangerous gamble.


Even that is a pipe dream. When you think about it from a business standpoint, the whole "2-year cycle", "3-year cycle", etc ideas really fall flat on their face.

Are you guys certain on this? I know you guys have inside info from the community days but is there no way to tweak this or add an option to improve this area significantly? Isn't this just one of those things where the devs like the way the players move and don't want to change it? Seriously, after reading some of Russ Kiniry's comments in the past on this area I think he likes it just the way it is.

jaymo76
04-06-2012, 12:39 PM
With all the talk of a new announcer, does that mean that the Erin ANdrews experience is over? sHE HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED ONCE DY ANY OF THE DEVS.

steelerfan
04-06-2012, 01:12 PM
Are you guys certain on this? I know you guys have inside info from the community days but is there no way to tweak this or add an option to improve this area significantly? Isn't this just one of those things where the devs like the way the players move and don't want to change it? Seriously, after reading some of Russ Kiniry's comments in the past on this area I think he likes it just the way it is.

AFAIK, Russ is working on NBA Live now and is no longer part of the NCAA team (not that that answers your question).

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk

JBHuskers
04-06-2012, 01:28 PM
AFAIK, Russ is working on NBA Live now and is no longer part of the NCAA team (not that that answers your question).

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk

You are correct sir.

Jayrah
04-06-2012, 02:33 PM
Jayrah, you really got to add paragraphs. :D
LOL. When I wrote it, I had it in 4 different paragraphs. I'm a writer and I can't do it. Not sure why they didn't take. :D

Jayrah
04-06-2012, 02:37 PM
With all the talk of a new announcer, does that mean that the Erin ANdrews experience is over? sHE HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED ONCE DY ANY OF THE DEVS. I noticed this too, but I am hoping she doesn't count. They did too much work with her to just drop her. Until they say she's not in, I'm just assuming she's being thought of as a separate analyst.

JeffHCross
04-06-2012, 04:38 PM
Are you guys certain on this?I was responding to HitStick's "2 years without a new CFB game" comment, not your desire for weight/momentum. I do think HitStick is right that we won't see a full procedural animation engine on this generation, but I also think tweaks and changes could be made to make it better than it is. And I have absolutely zero "inside info" on any part of this, so it's all just my opinion.

Rudy
04-06-2012, 07:05 PM
AFAIK, Russ is working on NBA Live now and is no longer part of the NCAA team (not that that answers your question).

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I did not know that about Russ. Ben took all the interviews last year so it seemed like they may have been phasing him out.

JeffHCross
04-06-2012, 10:53 PM
they may have been phasing him out.I don't think this was the intent, but it is possible, particularly with his move to NBA.

souljahbill
04-08-2012, 07:03 AM
With all the talk of a new announcer, does that mean that the Erin ANdrews experience is over? sHE HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED ONCE DY ANY OF THE DEVS.

There was an "experience?" Her lines rarely came up in my games.

jaymo76
04-08-2012, 10:16 AM
There was an "experience?" Her lines rarely came up in my games.

Valid point Souljabill. I often wondered if/when I would hear her. She only seemed to comment on injuries 50% of the time.

SmoothPancakes
04-08-2012, 10:23 AM
There was an "experience?" Her lines rarely came up in my games.

They were going to try and put in the full "Erin Andrews experience", but it would have pushed the game up to a M rating, so they had to take it out. ;)

Rudy
04-10-2012, 04:51 AM
One thing you won't be seeing are camera options. Pastapadre is reporting that only one playable camera again for NCAA 13. Granted NCAA's camera is better than any Madden cam offered the last two years but why not just steal the Madden code and slip in the options for Zoom, Wide and Broadcast? Is it that hard to integrate that code?

baseballplyrmvp
04-10-2012, 10:40 AM
One thing you won't be seeing are camera options. Pastapadre is reporting that only one playable camera again for NCAA 13. Granted NCAA's camera is better than any Madden cam offered the last two years but why not just steal the Madden code and slip in the options for Zoom, Wide and Broadcast? Is it that hard to integrate that code?while i dont care at all for camera angles, i would like to have the ability to swivel the camera left/right to see the coverage.

beartide06
04-10-2012, 01:14 PM
while i dont care at all for camera angles, i would like to have the ability to swivel the camera left/right to see the coverage.

This. I wish you could as well. However, the camera does zoom out quite a bit to see the CB's and what they are doing. A nice swivel option wouldn't be too much of an adjustment.

Koach Vonner
04-11-2012, 08:59 AM
I honestly just don't understand why they keep giving us graphic updates and a few sounds. They spent so many hours adding in all these trophies and guys coming in by parachutes? But people want GAMEPLAY improvements. 1. Gameplay 2. In-Game Saves 3. Custom Playbooks (That work) 4. Uniforms and Player Traits (Hair, Facemask, etc) 5. New Commentary If you do that, I think people will be so happy. You should also release the info in that order as well.

steelerfan
04-11-2012, 09:47 AM
I honestly just don't understand why they keep giving us graphic updates and a few sounds. They spent so many hours adding in all these trophies and guys coming in by parachutes? But people want GAMEPLAY improvements. 1. Gameplay 2. In-Game Saves 3. Custom Playbooks (That work) 4. Uniforms and Player Traits (Hair, Facemask, etc) 5. New Commentary If you do that, I think people will be so happy. You should also release the info in that order as well.

We already know that there is some of numbers 4 and 5. How do you know there is not any of numbers 1 through 3?

Did you watch the Playbook webcast? They explain, very clearly, why the Presentation aspects are released first.

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oweb26
04-11-2012, 10:36 AM
We already know that there is some of numbers 4 and 5. How do you know there is not any of numbers 1 through 3?

Did you watch the Playbook webcast? They explain, very clearly, why the Presentation aspects are released first.

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I didnt watch it so why did they do the presentation first? I am curious as to why though it matters not to me in what order they did things.

steelerfan
04-11-2012, 10:56 AM
I didnt watch it so why did they do the presentation first? I am curious as to why though it matters not to me in what order they did things.

They said that if they didn't release Presentation first, you'd see alot of it when looking at screens or videos for other elements, like Gameplay. They want the work that the Presentation guys do to have a chance to shine by itself instead of telling us about something, like lighting, after we've already seen it (which would steal any thunder away from the guys who put in the work to implement it).

It makes sense. They can't show us anything without us seeing/hearing some new element of Presentation, so they may as well get it out of the way first.

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psusnoop
04-11-2012, 11:38 AM
They said that if they didn't release Presentation first, you'd see alot of it when looking at screens or videos for other elements, like Gameplay. They want the work that the Presentation guys do to have a chance to shine by itself instead of telling us about something, like lighting, after we've already seen it (which would steal any thunder away from the guys who put in the work to implement it).

It makes sense. They can't show us anything without us seeing/hearing some new element of Presentation, so they may as well get it out of the way first.

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:+1:

oweb26
04-11-2012, 12:11 PM
They said that if they didn't release Presentation first, you'd see alot of it when looking at screens or videos for other elements, like Gameplay. They want the work that the Presentation guys do to have a chance to shine by itself instead of telling us about something, like lighting, after we've already seen it (which would steal any thunder away from the guys who put in the work to implement it).

It makes sense. They can't show us anything without us seeing/hearing some new element of Presentation, so they may as well get it out of the way first.

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Thats fair enough for me.

Jayrah
04-13-2012, 11:27 AM
They said that if they didn't release Presentation first, you'd see alot of it when looking at screens or videos for other elements, like Gameplay. They want the work that the Presentation guys do to have a chance to shine by itself instead of telling us about something, like lighting, after we've already seen it (which would steal any thunder away from the guys who put in the work to implement it).

It makes sense. They can't show us anything without us seeing/hearing some new element of Presentation, so they may as well get it out of the way first.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2Not to mention the fact that gameplay is still being worked on. If gameplay released too early, when something that was on the list couldn't make it on the final cut we'd go crazy. I'm sure they want to finalize their list and show it correctly with the couple of extra weeks that they get between presentation. Also, this is MUCH MUCH MUCH earlier than we got gameplay the last couple years. It's been behind dynasty improvements and modular improvements until this season. It's actually really early to hear about it and I think getting the communities committed to it earlier is a key factor for them. They may have realized that the longer they go without mentioning gameplay the shorter the fuse and the more people pop up that say "they're not showing us gameplay because it's not really improved so I'm very skeptical of anything they tell us". And so, Tuesday we get some real good info!

Avross
04-17-2012, 01:23 AM
No updated cleats FIFA have a ton and we got like 5 in college football. That's ridiculous it's all about fashion statements with the players. Socks are all bad. Wrong lengths and no Nike elite socks and team specific socks like Michigan and many more. The knee pads are too low and the skilled players don't even wear them and some skilled player don't wear any. We need the option to remove like in Madden. And the hair styles need to be added like Troy palamolu style and clay Matthews style. More gloves and the knee bands are in the wrong positions. Give us the option to customize more like added team logos to leg and arm bands or be able to add different brands to the bands. This is why I will buy pre owned cause the little things got overlooked. Things that take a quick phone call or google search to update and make the game look at ways better

beartide06
04-17-2012, 08:26 AM
I am pretty sure those pads for college teams are mandatory in the NCAA. In the nfl they are recommended, but not mandatory. That's probably why there isn't an option to remove them.

xMrHitStickx904
04-17-2012, 10:14 AM
No updated cleats FIFA have a ton and we got like 5 in college football. That's ridiculous it's all about fashion statements with the players. Socks are all bad. Wrong lengths and no Nike elite socks and team specific socks like Michigan and many more. The knee pads are too low and the skilled players don't even wear them and some skilled player don't wear any. We need the option to remove like in Madden. And the hair styles need to be added like Troy palamolu style and clay Matthews style. More gloves and the knee bands are in the wrong positions. Give us the option to customize more like added team logos to leg and arm bands or be able to add different brands to the bands. This is why I will buy pre owned cause the little things got overlooked. Things that take a quick phone call or google search to update and make the game look at ways better

Might as well just create your own team with all of these wishes.

souljahbill
04-17-2012, 10:29 AM
No updated cleats FIFA have a ton and we got like 5 in college football. That's ridiculous it's all about fashion statements with the players. Socks are all bad. Wrong lengths and no Nike elite socks and team specific socks like Michigan and many more. The knee pads are too low and the skilled players don't even wear them and some skilled player don't wear any. We need the option to remove like in Madden. And the hair styles need to be added like Troy palamolu style and clay Matthews style. More gloves and the knee bands are in the wrong positions. Give us the option to customize more like added team logos to leg and arm bands or be able to add different brands to the bands. This is why I will buy pre owned cause the little things got overlooked. Things that take a quick phone call or google search to update and make the game look at ways better

Edit: Nevermind

steelerfan
04-17-2012, 10:45 AM
No updated cleats FIFA have a ton and we got like 5 in college football. That's ridiculous it's all about fashion statements with the players. Socks are all bad. Wrong lengths and no Nike elite socks and team specific socks like Michigan and many more. The knee pads are too low and the skilled players don't even wear them and some skilled player don't wear any. We need the option to remove like in Madden. And the hair styles need to be added like Troy palamolu style and clay Matthews style. More gloves and the knee bands are in the wrong positions. Give us the option to customize more like added team logos to leg and arm bands or be able to add different brands to the bands. This is why I will buy pre owned cause the little things got overlooked. Things that take a quick phone call or google search to update and make the game look at ways better

Welcome, Sock Length Guy!1!!1!!1!

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Jayrah
04-18-2012, 01:18 AM
Welcome, Sock Length Guy!1!!1!!1!

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Dr Death
04-20-2012, 09:37 AM
I have a question for any of the Community Day guys... did any of you play at all as :North_Texas:? I am wondering about their uniform in the game. Last year they brought out new uni's, as seen here:

http://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/uploads/gallery/album_49/med_gallery_1_49_222017.jpg

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/VE/VEKFORDGNXIVWQV.20110926191727.jpg

http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/HG/HGOGOSVZYMMGMRL.20110902144851.jpg

Just wondering if they have the green helmet w/ the white facemask in the game? I've noticed they've been practicing w/ black facemasks this Spring. Don't know why. Can anyone clarify as to what's in the game? Thanks.

baseballplyrmvp
04-20-2012, 12:27 PM
i've always been under the impression that if a team regularly wears a uniform thats not in the current game, then it'll be in next years, pending school approval. since these were new for last year, i would think they'd be in 13, unless they get new unis for this year again?

ram29jackson
04-20-2012, 03:44 PM
kelly green? really ?

JeffHCross
04-20-2012, 09:02 PM
i've always been under the impression that if a team regularly wears a uniform thats not in the current game, then it'll be in next years, pending school approval. since these were new for last year, i would think they'd be in 13, unless they get new unis for this year again?Generally correct. I'm sure there are some cases where that doesn't happen, but that's the general idea.

Jayrah
04-24-2012, 05:47 PM
Might as well just create your own team with all of these wishes.Or your own game??? :D

Jayrah
04-24-2012, 05:49 PM
Those UNT's are FUGLY!

steelerfan
04-24-2012, 06:07 PM
Those UNT's are FUGLY!

Wow, really? I like them. They have an "updated classic" look. I prefer classic looking uniforms to all the over-the-top striping/piping and colors that most uniforms have today though.

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baseballplyrmvp
04-24-2012, 11:04 PM
Wow, really? I like them. They have an "updated classic" look. I prefer classic looking uniforms to all the over-the-top striping/piping and colors that most uniforms have today though.

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JBHuskers
04-25-2012, 12:14 AM
No, didn't play with North Texas.

gschwendt
04-25-2012, 12:29 AM
Yes, I did notice that those UNT uniforms were in the game.

steelerfan
04-25-2012, 12:32 AM
Yes, I did notice that those UNT uniforms were in the game.

Nice. I may go with them this year. I haven't used them since NCAA 98 or 99.

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JBHuskers
04-25-2012, 02:25 AM
Nice. I may go with them this year. I haven't used them since NCAA 98 or 99.

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I used them in the 360 OD this year and it took forever to get out of there :D

baseballplyrmvp
04-25-2012, 10:03 AM
I used them in the 360 OD this year and it took forever to get out of there :D:D

psusnoop
04-26-2012, 07:09 AM
I actually like those UNT uni's as well. Glad to hear they are in the game.

Jayrah
04-30-2012, 12:50 PM
The look is fine, it's that green. Yuck imo. :)

Rudy
04-30-2012, 06:52 PM
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Jayrah
04-30-2012, 08:00 PM
Why aren't those in the custom covers thread?

Rudy
04-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Why aren't those in the custom covers thread?

I didn't see that thread lol.

Dr Death
05-01-2012, 11:23 AM
Yes, I did notice that those UNT uniforms were in the game.

Thanks gschwendt! I just now noticed your response. I appreciate it. And like several others, I like the uni's. A huge upgrade over what they had, plus their new stadium!!! Definitely a dynasty team for me this year provided I purchase the game. I have a lot going on this summer and will also be coaching again, so my time w/ the game may be severely limited until November. Not sure if that's good or not...

Daywalker86
05-10-2012, 07:47 PM
Anyone else wish there was some kind of commentary going on during the entrance sequences?
There is a lot of down quiet time during each teams walk up.

In real life there would be some talk to fill the dead air.

It's not a huge deal, and I certainly understand there being no dialogue during the climax parts of the custom scenes, but I just kind of get the feeling it would be nice if you could here the team talking about a given issue sort of battling the crowd noise like you hear in real life.

Rudy
05-10-2012, 08:11 PM
I think NCAA's pre-game presentation is stale. Seeing the kids come out of the tunnel and the local tradition (like touching a banner, sword, whatever) gets old quick. They have been doing this for awhile now. It can't be the primary focus of the pre-game presentation anymore imo. You end up skipping that stuff just like the Madden player announcements running out of the helmet. It's fine seeing that stuff but how about have Brad and Herbie update the impact players along with some team and individual stats of each team on the screen while they are doing that. Without more info I'm just going to skip it more often than not.

Madden created a virtual Simms and Nantz but it doesn't look like we're getting an NCAA virtual press box. That would help too. Pan to the guys in the booth and let them talk and do a normal pre-game presentation with that stuff in the background. We never see those long drawn out pre-game rituals in a real TV telecast. You only get a small segment.

Daywalker86
05-10-2012, 08:59 PM
I agree. And when they do show those rituals....there is commentary to go along with it (Unless it is a locker room speech or quick shot inside). Even if they had them say something simple it would help it tremendously.

As the players are touching their sign or whatever, give me a "And now the *insert team* preparing to take the field before this battle" then do something like you said with the key player talk while they are running out.

Just give me something there.

JeffHCross
05-10-2012, 09:08 PM
I don't think the pre-game is getting "old", I think it's just a little too long. A little too drawn out. I think it could get a little quicker pacing, and then we'd be less likely to skip it.

Jayrah
05-11-2012, 12:41 AM
I don't think the pre-game is getting "old", I think it's just a little too long. A little too drawn out. I think it could get a little quicker pacing, and then we'd be less likely to skip it.See and I like the setup. I love getting ready for my game with the intros, especially with the stadium sounds feature.

JBHuskers
05-11-2012, 12:22 PM
If pregame had more depth to it, it wouldn't seem long to me.

SmoothPancakes
05-11-2012, 01:28 PM
If pregame had more depth to it, it wouldn't seem long to me.

Agreed. That giant long section with the teams coming out where there's no audio, they need to do something there. Either chop out part of that to shorten it up or put some audio in there about the players, starters, teams, the game, etc. But as is, it just seems long.

morsdraconis
05-11-2012, 01:38 PM
Agreed. That giant long section with the teams coming out where there's no audio, they need to do something there. Either chop out part of that to shorten it up or put some audio in there about the players, starters, teams, the game, etc. But as is, it just seems long.

:+1:

That's where there needs to be some stuff about impact players, important injuries, rivalry stats, etc. Just something to help with the flow of it. Maybe even cut from them doing whatever pre-in the tunnel stuff they have for the team to the information stuff and then back to the team just starting to run out of the tunnel. I think it would work seamlessly personally.

ram29jackson
05-11-2012, 01:59 PM
Agreed. That giant long section with the teams coming out where there's no audio, they need to do something there. Either chop out part of that to shorten it up or put some audio in there about the players, starters, teams, the game, etc. But as is, it just seems long.


take out the part where theyre showing their feet in the tunnel..and cut looking at the fans for a half to 1 second..I still want to see the fans since they are wearing my created uni's !

JeffHCross
05-12-2012, 11:13 AM
See and I like the setup.Oh, don't get me wrong, I like it. But even yesterday when I was showing that video to a friend, I skipped through the whole USC entrance (except for the Song Girls).

I think what gets me is that all the teams that have these special pieces (like slapping "Play Like A Champion Today", Ralphie, etc), none of those assets replace the other parts of the sequence. So the unique assets just make the intro longer, rather than different. Add to it, as others have said, that there isn't commentary or something else going on, and it just becomes more likely that I'll skip it. What I noticed on NCAA 12 was that I'd watch the mascot entrance, but once the players started coming to the tunnel I usually skipped it.

SmoothPancakes
05-12-2012, 02:11 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I like it. But even yesterday when I was showing that video to a friend, I skipped through the whole USC entrance (except for the Song Girls).

I think what gets me is that all the teams that have these special pieces (like slapping "Play Like A Champion Today", Ralphie, etc), none of those assets replace the other parts of the sequence. So the unique assets just make the intro longer, rather than different. Add to it, as others have said, that there isn't commentary or something else going on, and it just becomes more likely that I'll skip it. What I noticed on NCAA 12 was that I'd watch the mascot entrance, but once the players started coming to the tunnel I usually skipped it.

This. I'll watch the very beginning usually each game I play, but after that, since there's pretty much no point of continuing watching from the point the teams start coming out since there's hardly any audio at the point, I just skip through the rest of it and get right to the action. If they would put some sort of audio, like I suggest, impact players, injuries, talk about the starters, the game (is it a rivalry game, is there a conference championship or even a battle for first place on the line, maybe a national title race on the line, etc), talk about the teams, the lineups, etc. Something to fill all that dead space and actually make it worth watching from beginning to end and not just watching the beginning and then skipping the rest once the players start coming out like we have now.