The Trayvon Martin Case

[souljahbill]

Since I can't outrun a bullet, I'm willing to fight anyone who follows me with a gun. And I'd be crazy to hit 2nd because when it comes to guns, he who hits second never hits in the first place.

[CLW]

More criminals/thugs/trash in support of STUPIDITY.

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-protesters-raid-la-store-stop-freeway-072536291.html

[oweb26]

Actually he shows he was able and willing to fight, taking punches and giving punches, while the media and prosecution tried to sell him as a helpless child who was incapable of striking a person.


This is one of the many reasons people dislike lawyers, while your point may be valid to some (possibly even a court of law), common sense says that not necessarily true, under that same logic anyone who has/is in the military and has shot a gun is willing to kill someone ( by a shooting) when history has shown throughout time, that some people just can't do it even in the face of certain death.

Comparing what someone does as a sport, to what they will do when its real is crazy, but I know lawyers do it all the time so I cannot fault your logic.

[AustinWolv]

And I'm not even a lawyer! :)


history has shown throughout time, that some people just can't do it
You just put doubt into your own point.

Also, the point wasn't that he was willing and ready to fight. The point was that he was not the helpless 14yr old that the media, special interest groups, family, and prosecution portrayed him to be. That isn't even counting the rest of the background info that has come up on him, all of which doesn't mean he was the problem, but certainly shows a real picture of him instead of the crap the media pumped out.
Like it or not, places having Trayvon Martin day and stuff like that is fucking ludicrous. Wheeee, let's celebrate someone suspended from school multiple times, busted by school police for having suspect items in his backpack, confirmed drug user and likely seller, and so on, instead of celebrating some real kids out there who actually do productive, selfless, and helpful acts to society.

BTW, I see what point you are trying to make and think it valid to an extent. Hell, we use to box with pillows fooling around in high school, but that doesn't mean I went looking for fights. Sport and survival mode are not the same things. Especially if drugs are involved. More people are going to attempt to survive and than not shoot someone if they feel in peril. The sentence where you said people simply can't shoot others, I hazard to guess, are not typically survival situations but rather one where they are already dominant and don't feel that fear, i.e. people ordered to shoot when they don't really need to......against unarmed people or what have you.

[SmoothPancakes]

More criminals/thugs/trash in support of STUPIDITY.

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-protesters-raid-la-store-stop-freeway-072536291.html


"I respect the fact that the jury has spoken ... but I don't think this should be the last word," Boxer wrote in the letter.

:fp: :fp: :fp:

If you don't think the jury's verdict should be the last word, then obviously you don't fucking respect the fact that the jury has spoken. Who gives a fuck what the jury and a fair trial in the justice system determined and said, lets go around it (and keep trying to go around it) until we get the result we (the black community and armchair lawyers of the world) want and have deemed to be the "righteous" and "justice for Trayvon" result, the legal result from the justice system be damned.

[SmoothPancakes]

Also, the point wasn't that he was willing and ready to fight. The point was that he was not the helpless 14yr old that the media, special interest groups, family, and prosecution portrayed him to be. That isn't even counting the rest of the background info that has come up on him, all of which doesn't mean he was the problem, but certainly shows a real picture of him instead of the crap the media pumped out.

Like it or not, places having Trayvon Martin day and stuff like that is fucking ludicrous. Wheeee, let's celebrate someone suspended from school multiple times, busted by school police for having suspect items in his backpack, confirmed drug user and likely seller, and so on, instead of celebrating some real kids out there who actually do productive, selfless, and helpful acts to society.

The media has been one of the biggest issues this case. Any and every other time, they'll use the photo that portrays people in the worst light possible, but with Trayvon, they kept sitting there showing a picture of him at 12 years old. What the fuck is that shit? He was a 17 year old kid/teenager/young adult with a bunch of pictures that reflected poorly on him and his character, but hey, those pictures don't fit their "Zimmerman is a racist and white devil who was looking to gun down a black person" crap they were trying to spin, so lets keep showing pictures of Trayvon as some cute little innocent looking 12 year old kid. That right there was the first biggest bunch of bullshit out of media in this case.

Even Saturday night after the verdict, CNN, HLN, MSNBC and others kept showing the fucking 12 year old Trayvon Martin photo. THAT IS NOT THE FUCKING TRAYVON MARTIN WHO WAS ON THE STREET THAT NIGHT! I'm 26, have a beard, and am the size and build of a defensive lineman in football. Does that mean if it was me in Trayvon's place that night, the media would be showing pictures of me as some innocent 12 year old kid or even 16 or 17 years old? Show me as some innocent kid from my campus ID my freshman year at college? Hell no. They would use as most recent of a photo as they could use, even if the picture was something casting me in a negative light that would affect public opinion about me.

And while people may bitch that it's putting a dead kid on trial or character assassination of a dead kid, hate to tell them, but when a man's life is on trial, especially when a self defense claim is being used, the character of the dead person is valid to bring up. The prosecutor and judge may have done everything they could to railroad the defense by denying things about Trayvon into evidence, but the rest of us got to see the true and real picture of Trayvon. He wasn't some innocent angel who never got in trouble or never did anything wrong. He smoked weed (I'm not necessarily holding it against him, I've never smoked weed but I know people who have and do and they live productive lives, working good jobs, getting their shit done at work, just smoking weed to relax on a Saturday at home or something), he fought, he got suspended from school a bunch for fighting, if I remember right, he had been suspended from school THAT day or within a couple days of that day for fighting, and on and on.

And here's the thing that pisses me off. You bring up Trayvon's history and past and the media and people attack you or label you a racist for supposed character assassination of a dead black kid. Well, hate to tell those dumbshits, but if George Zimmerman's character, past and history of fighting or violence or whatever it was the prosecutors and media kept bringing up (I can't remember exactly what it was off the top of my head), from years and over a decade ago, is allowed to be criticized and dragged up to try and put Zimmerman away for life, then Trayvon's character, past and history is just as equally valid to be brought up and dissected by the defense. All these goddamn people want it both ways. "It's perfectly fine to drag up every single thing, big and small, in Zimmerman's history and past altercations to try and fry him, but how dare you do it with Trayvon's. You're a racist trying to assassinate the character of a dead kid."

[skipwondah33]

Hell, I agree......stop signs don't exist in those areas, at least not when I've been through there, much less stopping to talk to someone...... :)Exactly. When I'm in DC or Baltimore, man I'm not stopping at certain places. I got a ticket last year when going to Children's National a few times. Told my wife I'll pay the ticket that's fine lol. Told the cop exactly why too and he said he understood haha.

On another note

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/15/19488815-zimmerman-juror-he-shouldnt-have-gotten-out-of-that-car?lite

Hell the jurors or one atleast felt GZ should have stay in his car.

And to the point that the dispatcher had no authority over Zimmerman. GZ also had no authority over Martin. So Martin didn't have to run, answer to him or anything. GZ called the police, the police didn't call him. So what did he call the police for if he wasn't going to listen to them? Is it protocol for Neighborhood Watchman? Why does anyone call the police/911 if they aren't going to listen to them?



More criminals/thugs/trash in support of STUPIDITY.

http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-protesters-raid-la-store-stop-freeway-072536291.html

:fp: absolutely solves not a single thing. Some people are easily led astray unfortunately.

[SmoothPancakes]

:fp: absolutely solves not a single thing. Some people are easily led astray unfortunately.

I'm gonna guess that some of those people didn't give a shit about the verdict, just wanted any reason to go out and start shit and "fight against the system' (you see it everywhere, just look at the hockey or soccer riots that happen all the time). The ones that did give a shit about the verdict, their emotions are running so high, they just followed the crowd and used destruction of property and assault on innocent people on the street to direct their rage towards something.

[skipwondah33]

I'm gonna guess that some of those people didn't give a shit about the verdict, just wanted any reason to go out and start shit and "fight against the system' (you see it everywhere, just look at the hockey or soccer riots that happen all the time). The ones that did give a shit about the verdict, their emotions are running so high, they just followed the crowd and used destruction of property and assault on innocent people on the street to direct their rage towards something.++++++1

Pretty much.

Sad part is it's in their town, city and neighborhood. So those taxes that they pay to see "change"...well it will be paying for the change you help destroy

[SmoothPancakes]

++++++1

Pretty much.

Sad part is it's in their town, city and neighborhood. So those taxes that they pay to see "change"...well it will be paying for the change you help destroy

Yep. I have never understood rioting and destroying your city. I'm not gonna go downtown and start smashing windows and setting stuff on fire because I'm pissed off about something (or worse, celebrating something like the idiots in sports championship riots).

All they're doing is destroying their own city, destroying the businesses of those in the city. Watch, they sit there smashing the windows of a business, then they'll go there weeks or months for now for whatever reason and they'll bitch about increased prices in stuff. What do you think was going to happen? If I'm an independent business owner and someone smashes all my windows, maybe steals stuff, etc., I sure as hell am not eating the costs of that. Other people caused the destruction and forced me to either pay out of pocket or deal with insurance to get the damage repaired, the costs are ultimately gonna end up passed onto the customer by way of increased prices. So in the end, all they're doing as destroying their own cities and potentially forcing themselves to pay higher prices at the businesses they damaged.

Unfortunately, the police don't crack down on it. It sounds like the police in LA are finally gonna crack down sooner, but anyone who is verified on security camera, by witness or whatever other method as having smashed business windows, assaulted people on the street, vandalized cars, set fires (if there were any in LA, Oakland or San Francisco), they all deserve to be fully prosecuted. The only way to get this shit reined in is to start arresting all of those involved in it and at the scene and haul them in for vandalism, assault, criminal damaging, rioting, whatever charges the police can file.

It's beyond the point of just trying to corral and keep the protesters and rioters under control. The peaceful protesters, hey, they're doing the right thing and the police were even thanking them for that, for staying peaceful. But the rioters, sitting there damaging businesses, assaulting innocent bystanders, bringing goddamn interstates to a complete standstill, the police need to just start cracking down and arresting those people. As soon as people are being hauled in by the tens and dozens and charged with a bunch of stuff, maybe the rest of the idiots will either stick to peaceful protesting or just stay home, unless they too want to end up with a criminal record.

[CLW]

Hell the jurors or one atleast felt GZ should have stay in his car.

:fp: absolutely solves not a single thing. Some people are easily led astray unfortunately.

#1 - I've said it several times in this thread but the A-A community and liberals keep focusing on his "ignoring" the 911 operator. THAT FACT (and I admit it is a fact b/c it is) HAS ABSOLUTELY NO AFFECT ON THE GUILT/INNOCENCE FOR MURDER/MANSLAUGHTER. NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZILCH, ETC....

It's part of the background of the case but the fact Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's request to stay in his car simply doesn't give TM the right to beat the living hell out of him on the concrete. Once TM started beating the crap out of Zimmerman he had the right to use self-defense and he did resulting in the death of TM.

The law is CRYSTAL clear on this point and has been so for AGES. "Stand Your Ground" had ZERO impact on this case (b/c there was no evidence that Zimmerman had the opportunity to flea once Martin attacked him). ALL STATES PERMIT THE USE OF DEADLY SELF-DEFENSE WHEN YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO ESCAPE.

#2 Agree completely. If you are unhappy w it the verdict for whatever reason you have a right to protest. However, you do NOT have the right to destroy property, assault other people, shut down public highways, etc...

Protesting in the method/manner currently ongoing is only going to further divide the country (which is what the race baiters -- liberals trully want) although at this point about the only thing holding the country together is the economy. If/WHEN it tanks all bets are off on the Republic staying together.

[CLW]

Think Obama/Holder et al. will investigate below as a violation of civil rights?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/milwaukee-beating-victim-says-attackers-cited-trayvon-martin-b9955262z1-215656431.html

[skipwondah33]

It does not have any bearing on the verdict. I know and understand that...and doesn't matter to me that it does/doesn't. I've said the verdict was absolutely correct and for what he was being tried for especially is correct.

However. If he listens. This simply does not happen. You cannot be in danger of your life if he listens and stays in his car, that simple. You cannot get beat on without getting out of the car AND confronting Martin. Martin wasn't looking for him. Didn't pull him out of the vehicle. He made a decision to remove himself from his vehicle.

Martin wasn't pursuing and following him on foot while Zimmerman was driving. Could you imagine "hey this person is following me on foot while I'm driving"

My deal is the fact that this does not happen. No confrontation, no fight, no gun shots had GZ stayed and remained in his vehicle like he was instructed to do. Hell the 911 dispatcher could have predicted something likely bad was going to happen...because probably more times than not it does when they have to say that to a person.


I don't care about the verdict. Verdict does not matter whatsoever to me. His decision to remove himself from his vehicle is my only concern. Why call the police? Did he think they were going to give him the green light, go-ahead and apprehend the suspect order? Or was he calling to make sure he had back up.

If I don't drink alcohol I can't get drunk. GZ stays in his vehicle he doesn't have to kill anyone that night in self defense.

I'll state too if I was getting beat on by anyone and I had a weapon then I'd shoot them too. That still doesn't cover up my mistake of not listening and essentially bringing it on myself. I've always been the type of person who thinks of consequences before any and every decision I make...and the worst possible outcome. And the worst possibly outcome that night? Is I MAY have to use the gun that I am carrying...otherwise why do I need it.

[CLW]

It does not have any bearing on the verdict. I know and understand that...and doesn't matter to me that it does/doesn't. I've said the verdict was absolutely correct and for what he was being tried for especially is correct.

However. If he listens. This simply does not happen. You cannot be in danger of your life if he listens and stays in his car, that simple. You cannot get beat on without getting out of the car AND confronting Martin. Martin wasn't looking for him. Didn't pull him out of the vehicle. He made a decision to remove himself from his vehicle.

Martin wasn't pursuing and following him on foot while Zimmerman was driving. Could you imagine "hey this person is following me on foot while I'm driving"

My deal is the fact that this does not happen. No confrontation, no fight, no gun shots had GZ stayed and remained in his vehicle like he was instructed to do. Hell the 911 dispatcher could have predicted something likely bad was going to happen...because probably more times than not it does when they have to say that to a person.


I don't care about the verdict. Verdict does not matter whatsoever to me. His decision to remove himself from his vehicle is my only concern. Why call the police? Did he think they were going to give him the green light, go-ahead and apprehend the suspect order? Or was he calling to make sure he had back up.

If I don't drink alcohol I can't get drunk. GZ stays in his vehicle he doesn't have to kill anyone that night in self defense.

I'll state too if I was getting beat on by anyone and I had a weapon then I'd shoot them too. That still doesn't cover up my mistake of not listening and essentially bringing it on myself. I've always been the type of person who thinks of consequences before any and every decision I make...and the worst possible outcome. And the worst possibly outcome that night? Is I MAY have to use the gun that I am carrying...otherwise why do I need it.

Legal lesson (not that you necessarily want one) -

There are two types of causation under the rule of law:

1. Cause-in-fact
2. Proximate (legal causation)

Cause-in-fact is usually described as a "but for" test to prove. You are correct "but for" Zimmerman getting out of his car none of it would happen. However, "but for" TM going to get skittles and ice tea it wouldn't have happened either. "But for" the previous robbers in the community it would not have happened etc....

You see cause-in-fact "but for" (chaos theory type logic) is not enough under the rule of law. TOO many people are focusing on "but for" Zimmerman.

You have to have proximate cause to hold someone legally responsible for a result. Proximate/Legal Causation is lacking here b/c none of Zimmerman's actions are simply not the proximate cause of his death b/c he had a right to defend himself under our Rule of Law.

I suppose if you REALLY want Zimmerman in jail you would have to persuade legislatures to ELIMINATE the right to defend yourself. In stead you must accept your beating and hope/pray they don't kill/seriously injure you in the process and maybe the police will find the guy and convict him.

[skipwondah33]

That's the thing I don't even want him in jail or tried again, or anything like that.

Simply saying his immediate decision to get out of his vehicle and pursue Martin is really what lead to the confrontation, beating and fatal shots.

We can go round and round about "well Martin shouldn't have went to the store 6:45 est", "well GZ shouldn't have bought and carried a gun in 2002", "well Martin should have called a cab", "well GZ's girlfriend should have made him stay home"...around around around, around we go - like that Tupac song.

When the dispatcher said we don't need you to follow him or whatever was exactly said. That is it, ok I'll go back to my vehicle and go home and eat some food, whatever...end of story. Another dispatcher told a caller "we don't need you to go outside". You think that person went out there and asked someone what was going on after being told that? or gunshots? No they stayed in their house and probably a place they felt safe in their house

Thing is the common sense person doesn't even need to be told to not pursue someone (after calling police) for the simple fact you don't know what the hell that person could do to you. Which brings me back to my point...carrying a gun gives confidence to some. I would have been slightly afraid...but less afraid with a gun. When I worked in retail it was ABSOLUTELY mandatory not to follow or pursue someone that either stole or robbed the store.

Again GZ is innocent, shouldn't be in jail, shot in self defense because he was getting beat up. I repeat I do not think he is guilty.

But he could have prevented what happened by listening and waiting for the police to arrive and do THEIR job..It is their job...not his. At no point did he feel his life was in danger in his vehicle or on the call with 911. In Martin's eyes he didn't know why the hell someone was following him though.

[CLW]

That's the thing I don't even want him in jail or tried again, or anything like that.

Simply saying his immediate decision to get out of his vehicle and pursue Martin is really what lead to the confrontation, beating and fatal shots.

We can go round and round about "well Martin shouldn't have went to the store 6:45 est", "well GZ shouldn't have bought and carried a gun in 2002", "well Martin should have called a cab", "well GZ's girlfriend should have made him stay home"...around around around, around we go - like that Tupac song.

When the dispatcher said we don't need you to follow him or whatever was exactly said. That is it, ok I'll go back to my vehicle and go home and eat some food, whatever...end of story. Another dispatcher told a caller "we don't need you to go outside". You think that person went out there and asked someone what was going on after being told that? or gunshots? No they stayed in their house and probably a place they felt safe in their house

Thing is the common sense person doesn't even need to be told to not pursue someone (after calling police) for the simple fact you don't know what the hell that person could do to you. Which brings me back to my point...carrying a gun gives confidence to some. I would have been slightly afraid...but less afraid with a gun. When I worked in retail it was ABSOLUTELY mandatory not to follow or pursue someone that either stole or robbed the store.

Again GZ is innocent, shouldn't be in jail, shot in self defense because he was getting beat up. I repeat I do not think he is guilty.

But he could have prevented what happened by listening and waiting for the police to arrive and do THEIR job..It is their job...not his.

That is indeed 1/2 of the lesson.

However, the other (and EQUALLY important 1/2) of the lesson should go to today's youth.

Do NOT Attack someone ever just b/c they are following you and/or ask you a question of why you are there. Simply answer the question or just keep walking (whichever you prefer). ONLY use physical violence as a means of DEFENSE not OFFENSE.

Had Martin learned this lesson none of it would have happened EITHER.

2 people 2 lessons both of which should be taught here. unfortunately, the media only cares about the 1/2 of the story and the race baiters care NOTHING about the other half of the story b/c apparently cans of "whoop ass" are morally acceptable behavior with today's youth.

[AustinWolv]

Hell the jurors or one atleast felt GZ should have stay in his car.
Lots of people felt that way. Still many do.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Still doesn't change the fact that going to talk to TM isn't illegal. And that is assuming he was trying to talk to him/confront him. That doesn't appear to be the case unless I missed testimony otherwise.


So what did he call the police for if he wasn't going to listen to them?
To report the suspicious behavior, after which he said that he got out of the car to check house address, not to chase a person.


I'm gonna guess that some of those people didn't give a shit about the verdict, just wanted any reason to go out and start shit and "fight against the system'
Yep.


All they're doing is destroying their own city, destroying the businesses of those in the city.
Is there an impression that they care about the city or the community?
A lot of people that jump in the action just want to act up because they can get away with it and/or score free stuff from looting.


Is I MAY have to use the gun that I am carrying...otherwise why do I need it.
Because homes had been getting broken into in that area.....with people in them?

[skipwondah33]

What I am trying to get at basically.

Who is to say that Martin wasn't afraid for his life though? He obviously noticed this person following him for a good bit, to even run as GZ stated in the 911 call.

At 17 I know you probably didn't have people following or chasing you at night at anytime probably, but would you not have been slightly a little scared?

I didn't have people following me at that age, but I will admit it would have shook me a little bit to be honest. Especially if said person was an adult. I've been harassed by cops before thinking I/my friends were up to know good..but not some stranger with no police authority. I don't know what they want with me...enough to follow me and obviously they aren't following and pursuing me because they like this hoodie I have on that I bought from Macy's or the nice put together outfit that I am wearing.

My complaint isn't media driven, race driven or anything else. They both could be coral blue or fuschia color for all I care I promise you. I just like to look at the decision making people exhibit, and what their thought process could have been. I wanted to study Psychology in school, but computers drew me in. My Mother use to always tell me "choices and decisions"...always been mindful of the choices and decisions that you make in life..for the consequences an alter your life.

Obviously Martin's decision to fight came into play...but you cannot beat up what isn't there. We don't know if Martin was scared and acting in self defense...because well only one person walked away from it...and it is said and proven that HE was acting in self defense. Doesn't mean he was the only one.

[AustinWolv]

I didn't have people following me at that age, but I will admit it would have shook me a little bit to be honest.
I did. Hehe. Regular citizens and cops. Halloween was fun back in the day. :)
Or the time when we were younger still that we thought it would be fun to throw some snowballs at a car passing by and the owner really disagreed with that and chased us down. THAT was a real chasing, not apparently what GZ did. Oh, did I mention that we got caught and didn't fight back and bash the car owner's head against the ground?
(Only reason we got caught was the guy caught the slow, fat kid, so we didn't want to leave him hanging out to dry so we went back........and no, I wasn't the slow, fat kid......that time...... LOL!)

And I can tell you from experience that it is really friggin' easy to lose someone following you in a neighborhood. Even cops.
Although if there is snow on the ground, it becomes a little tougher as you have to stick to roads/well-worn areas that you can mix your tracks in with........


We don't know if Martin was scared and acting in self defense
Nope, we don't know, although we do know what DXM can do if he had indeed had it in his system.......coincidentally in common use it seems with the exact items he had on him......

[skipwondah33]

I did. Hehe. Regular citizens and cops. Halloween was fun back in the day. :)
Now they have curfews for and all kinds of Halloween rules and regulations. Gone are the days that kids (atleast in the neighborhoods I'm in/around) just go out and get candy. You need to have adult escorts, etc. Check candy? Yeah right we ate every piece of candy we were given.

Funny what you could do back in the day that you can't now isn't it?

True story. The night of my wife and I wedding rehearsal. Real bad storm the night of February 5th, 2010 here in Maryland. We were driving back home and these kids thought it would be funny to hit my car with snowballs/iceballs. I take good care of my car.

If I'd had 4 wheel drive I would have ran them down honestly. Soon as I threw it in reverse they all took off.

These teenage boys other night thought it would be funny to take my son's pool and throw it out in the street...lucky I didn't catch up to them.

[AustinWolv]

Funny what you could do back in the day that you can't now isn't it?
Fucking sad is more like it. I was just lamenting to my wife during 4th of July how I felt bad for our kids that they don't really get to experience all the fun that we did as kids with fireworks. Not that we couldn't I guess, but it used to be a big deal to light them off when/where I was growing up and seems like nobody does around here. Just go to the city shows, which they love, but still.
And how we used to just go out to the empty woods next to the neighborhood and play all day out there with no supervision and no worries of weird adults or creepy ass crackers or gangstas or cartel runners.......
LOL. :D

[skipwondah33]

Fucking sad is more like it. I was just lamenting to my wife during 4th of July how I felt bad for our kids that they don't really get to experience all the fun that we did as kids with fireworks. Not that we couldn't I guess, but it used to be a big deal to light them off when/where I was growing up and seems like nobody does around here. Just go to the city shows, which they love, but still.
And how we used to just go out to the empty woods next to the neighborhood and play all day out there with no supervision and no worries of weird adults or creepy ass crackers or gangstas or cartel runners.......
LOL. :D+1

I don't even think kids buy fireworks anymore. Atleast not around here it seems. Everything is banned except sparklers probably.

We use to tie GI Joe guys on multiple bottle rockets, then attach a "parachute" to them lol. It never worked but in theory it was fun to come up with.

Supervision? My mom supervised me with a street light and the fear of her beating my tail should I get in trouble, not be home by time that light came on, etc :D:D. Other than that I could do alot of things unsupervised.

[CLW]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B0RM9blM2-0

Honestly, if I were the entire family. I'd sue the hell out of the media, the state officials, federal officials, race baiters, etc.... I'd get my pay day and then I'd get the [censored] out of the country and get on some small private island somewhere.

The Left has ruined all of their lives.

[CLW]

All the race baiters complaining about no A-A on the jury. Blame the PROSECUTION not the defense:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/07/16/cnn-zimmerman-prosecutor-excused-potential-black-juror-being-fox-news#ixzz2ZEFaq3iT

Although I suppose your an "Uncle Tom" (or some other such nonsense) and not a "real" A-A if you watch Fox News.

[oweb26]

CLW when you are rational you are pretty rational, but when you aren't rational(which is pretty much anytime you can insert your political views) you are basically irritating with everything being left this, or left that......okay we get it! In your opinion the "left" whomever they may be has messed up the world!

I really dunno when you are going to see that your "right" is just as bat shit crazy and they don't do anything they say either and can probably be blamed for just as much......

[bdoughty]

Sad part is it's in their town, city and neighborhood. So those taxes that they pay to see "change"...well it will be paying for the change you help destroy

I am going to bet that a pretty big percentage of those people are in the 47% that do not pay taxes. Pretty sure the looters won't be adding that new TV as income gained. ;)

[bdoughty]

CLW when you are rational you are pretty rational, but when you aren't rational(which is pretty much anytime you can insert your political views) you are basically irritating with everything being left this, or left that......okay we get it! In your option the "left" whomever they may be has messed up the world!

I really dunno when you are going to see that your "right" is just as bat shit crazy and they don't do anything they say either and can probably be blamed for just as much......


It is not left or right, it is the Zealots (Extremists) that are the problem on both sides of the isle. Those who vote down party lines and those who wont listen to the other sides opinion. I gave up on CLW months ago in regards to politics and video game console discussion. He is either trolling us or as you mentioned bat shit crazy when it comes to these two subjects. That said at least he has not reminded us that he is in the 1% club of tax payers for the umpteenth time.

[oweb26]

I never knew he did say something about that so that is news to me....lol

[ram29jackson]

http://now.msn.com/rachel-jeantel-offered-college-scholarship-by-radio-host-tom-joyner

[bdoughty]

http://now.msn.com/rachel-jeantel-offered-college-scholarship-by-radio-host-tom-joyner

Money well spent. :fp:

Of all the deserving youths who can't get a scholarship but graduate High School, with a good GPA, you pick her. :fp:

Also why must it only be a HBCU? :fp:

[oweb26]

Money well spent. :fp:..

Of all the deserving youths who can't get a scholarship but graduate High School, with a good GPA, you pick her. :fp:

Also why must it only be a HBCU? :fp:


Money well spent. :fp:......Its political

Of all the deserving youths who can't get a scholarship but graduate High School, with a good GPA, you pick her. :fp:.....See point one

Also why must it only be a HBCU?........they are trying to save the HBCU's , which is interesting all within itself....by a majority they are relatively cheap and easy to get into.

[AustinWolv]

Sigh...............oweb called it.

[bdoughty]

I know but it was deserving of the triple facepalm. Get online Oweb so we can kill us some Bonerfarts (just finished that mission) while discussing race relations amongst online gamers. ;)

[oweb26]

HA HA I haven't been online in a few days; damn PC gaming been taking up my time, I'll be on this evening and we can play.

[CLW]

LMAO trying to get Dershowitz fired from Harvard law. She would have BETTER luck getting Obama impeached. Although I often disagree with Dershowitz on several issues he is a brilliant legal mind/scholar.

http://nationalreview.com/article/353633/angela-coreys-checkered-past-ian-tuttle/page/0/1?splash

[CLW]

Fired employee (whistle blower) filing lawsuit against Prosecutor. :nod:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/16/us-usa-florida-shooting-lawsuit-idUSBRE96F1EL20130716

[JBHuskers]

Sorry if this link has been posted as I have ignored most of the long drawn out discussion, but this is interesting considering the media sure isn't playing it this way.

No, Marissa Alexander’s Conviction Was Not a “Reverse Trayvon Martin” Case in Florida (http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida)

[Escobar]

Also why must it only be a HBCU? :fp:

Because that's where his organization grants scholarships to. It' not like he put a restriction on her, like coaches do when they prevent players from transferring to certain schools.

[bdoughty]

She claims to have a 3.0 GPA average. Why would she need tutors or for that matter at 19 why has she not graduated? She does not have any kids.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/07/16/rachel-jeantel-on-trayvon-martin-friendship-he-never-judged-me/

What’s next for Rachel Jeantel?

“My education is first. I am educated. Trust me, I have a 3.0 I’m good. I need to get my life straight because this situation got a whole lot of things in my mind so I want to clear it up.”

[CLW]

She claims to have a 3.0 GPA average. Why would she need tutors or for that matter at 19 why has she not graduated? She does not have any kids.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/07/16/rachel-jeantel-on-trayvon-martin-friendship-he-never-judged-me/

What’s next for Rachel Jeantel?

“My education is first. I am educated. Trust me, I have a 3.0 I’m good. I need to get my life straight because this situation got a whole lot of things in my mind so I want to clear it up.”

A 3.0 doesn't mean squat. Unfortunately, at a TON of public schools a 3.0 basically means you have a pulse. It's sad b/c these kids think they are "smart" then when/if they go to college they flunk out and claim it's b/c the professors are racists.

[oweb26]

A 3.0 doesn't mean squat. Unfortunately, at a TON of public schools a 3.0 basically means you have a pulse. It's sad b/c these kids think they are "smart" then when/if they go to college they flunk out and claim it's b/c the professors are racists.

Wayyyy to much overzealous conservative radio/blogs for you my man....I know quite a few people who have flunked out and NONE have blamed it on racism....actually I haven't even heard about anyone say its racism!!

I'm sure you can dig up an "internet" article from some "who gives a fuck" website soo lets just skip that part.

I can agree with you that 3.0 in a public school (especially an inner city one) is nothing , frankly from personal experience its alot they don't teach you and they have to teach to "dumb ass" in the class so it can get pretty easy, which is the real reason alot of them flunk out.

[steelerfan]

Wayyyy to much overzealous conservative radio/blogs for you my man....I know quite a few people who have flunked out and NONE have blamed it on racism....actually I haven't even heard about anyone say its racism!!

I'm sure you can dig up an "internet" article from some "who gives a fuck" website soo lets just skip that part.

I can agree with you that 3.0 in a public school (especially an inner city one) is nothing , frankly from personal experience its alot they don't teach you and they have to teach to "dumb ass" in the class so it can get pretty easy, which is the real reason alot of them flunk out.

:nod:

I'm using Tapatalk 2 and the Cleveland Browns STILL suck.

[CLW]

Zimmerman helps people after auto accident.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/22/sanford-zimmerman-rescue/2575217/

[countryboy]

Zimmerman helps people after auto accident.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/22/sanford-zimmerman-rescue/2575217/

Read that today.

Shocked that he was willing to get out and help. Given the turmoil surrounding his trial, I'm surprised he got out at all. Good for him though

[CLW]

Where is Sharpton, Jackson, MSNBC et al. raising hell about this case. Oh that's right it's black on black crime so they don't care b/c there is no money/power to be gained for them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLgt4faeZdQ


BTW - Just like Zimmerman this woman should NOT be charged

[oweb26]

Unlike zimmerman she wasn't stalking someone and assuming they were up to something....then when they start getting there ass whopped they use the weapon.

Zimmerman got off based on lack of evidence and a technicality of how the law is written..she was being provoked by someone and defending herself ....how you are drawing comparisons between the two is amazing...they are similar but not really similar if that makes any sense

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[SCClassof93]

I think we should stop pretending that TM was an angel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLABCC53F051B98328

[souljahbill]

I think we should stop pretending that TM was an angel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLABCC53F051B98328

It's not that TM was an angel who did no wrong. It's that he was minding his own business when GZ started accosting him.

I know if I'm being followed and a guy comes at me with a gun and not wearing a badge, I'm hitting first 100% of the time and I feel I have the right to claim self-defense since I have no idea if this person with a gun wants to shoot me or not. Walking away isn't an option since I can't out-walk bullets.

[CLW]

It's not that TM was an angel who did no wrong. It's that he was minding his own business when GZ started accosting him.

I know if I'm being followed and a guy comes at me with a gun and not wearing a badge, I'm hitting first 100% of the time and I feel I have the right to claim self-defense since I have no idea if this person with a gun wants to shoot me or not. Walking away isn't an option since I can't out-walk bullets.

That would be all well and good if there was ANY evidence that TM knew he had a gun before he started to beat the living hell out of GZ. However, there isn't.

The facts are:

1. A fight broke out between TM and GZ
2. TM was beating the crap out of GZ
3. GZ believed he was in danger
4. GZ used his gun and shot TM
5. TM died from injuries sustained from the gun shot

Now for those who don't see the connection between TM/GZ and Houston woman

1. A fight broke out between Woman and Man
2. Man took a swipe at Woman holding a knife and an umbrella
3. Woman believed she was in danger
4. Woman uses her gun and shoots Man
5. Man died from injuries sustained from the gun shot

It's pretty damn close with the exception that one could possibly argue the Woman could have ran/fleed where GZ could not have after TM attacked him. "Stand your Ground" might have to apply to the Woman in TX but "Stand Your Ground" does NOT apply to GZ in FL.

[oweb26]

I am really confused on why you guys keep trying to go back into saying he was not an angel!!

For this debate we will agree he was no angel....Was he doing anything wrong at that moment by anyone's account, police, media, or otherwise??

The Answer is no!

I guess TM should have killed GZ and claimed he was "standing his ground" for this to get through to people, granted it wouldn't have gotten any national exposure because he would have been in Jail.

I am also hitting 100% of the time....

Gun + Stalking me = I'm hitting you first since that's about the only chance I have

[oweb26]

That would be all well and good if there was ANY evidence that TM knew he had a gun before he started to beat the living hell out of GZ. However, there isn't.

The facts are:

1. A fight broke out between TM and GZ
2. TM was beating the crap out of GZ
3. GZ believed he was in danger
4. GZ used his gun and shot TM
5. TM died from injuries sustained from the gun shot


I am not going to get into a jurisprudence argument with you because frankly you would win, I am not the lawyer in the family that's my brother.

All I am saying is can we not argue that the only reason he was getting his ass beat is because he was stalking someone? Is nothing wrong with that?

Also I said I see the similarities but the difference is also that the man took a swipe at the woman, are we assuming TM took a swipe a GZ first?

Oh yeah that's right only one side to this story because he just so happened to have a gun.

[SmoothPancakes]

Gun + Stalking me = I'm hitting you first since that's about the only chance I have

Except in that situation, TM, and yourself, would have no clue that there was a gun. Maybe it's just the way you're typing it, but you're making it sound like Zimmerman approached Martin with the gun out and aimed, or that Martin somehow knew there was a gun. According to the police and the prosecution's own damn case, they established that Zimmerman had the gun in a holster on his back during the fight. Their whole argument was that Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull the gun out from the holster on his back if he was on his back with Martin on top of him.

Now maybe it's just the way your wording your posts and thus I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but at least at the moment, that's the way it's coming across to me when I read that, that you're treating it like Zimmerman already had the gun drawn. Based on the facts of the case and the arguments the prosecution themselves tried to use in court, Martin, nor you, would have had any clue that Zimmerman had a gun. All you would have known was that there was a random guy following you, but that would be it. You would have no clue if he has a gun or a knife or whatever on him.

[oweb26]

Except in that situation, TM, and yourself, would have no clue that there was a gun. Maybe it's just the way you're typing it, but you're making it sound like Zimmerman approached Martin with the gun out and aimed, or that Martin somehow knew there was a gun. According to the police and the prosecution's own damn case, they established that Zimmerman had the gun in a holster on his back during the fight. Their whole argument was that Zimmerman wouldn't have been able to pull the gun out from the holster on his back if he was on his back with Martin on top of him.

Now maybe it's just the way your wording your posts and thus I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but at least at the moment, that's the way it's coming across to me when I read that, that you're treating it like Zimmerman already had the gun drawn. Based on the facts of the case and the arguments the prosecution themselves tried to use in court, Martin, nor you, would have had any clue that Zimmerman had a gun. All you would have known was that there was a random guy following you, but that would be it. You would have no clue if he has a gun or a knife or whatever on him.


Its the way it was typed, it can come across like that and not really what I meant, but I get/agree with your point.

[CLW]

I am not going to get into a jurisprudence argument with you because frankly you would win, I am not the lawyer in the family that's my brother.

All I am saying is can we not argue that the only reason he was getting his ass beat is because he was stalking someone? Is nothing wrong with that?

Also I said I see the similarities but the difference is also that the man took a swipe at the woman, are we assuming TM took a swipe a GZ first?

Oh yeah that's right only one side to this story because he just so happened to have a gun.

You cannot assault/batter someone simply b/c they are following you. You simply do not have a right to not be followed when out in PUBLIC. Should you pay attention? Sure. But you do not have a right to defend yourself from being followed by initiating a physical confrontation.

We do only have one side in a story. We almost always only have one side of a story when one person dies. I handle one person side cases all the time in civil litigation. The Law says you are innocent unless/until you are PROVEN guilty.

Moreover, GZ passed a lie detector test on his story that TM attacked him 1st. Now lie detectors are not admissible in court but that doesn't mean they aren't reliable in the real world. I feel VERY confident that TM was the aggressor that started the fight but only TM and GZ know for sure b/c noone apparently saw the fight start.

[Escobar]

I think we should stop pretending that TM was an angel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLABCC53F051B98328

The ignorance in this video is funny. This guy is using the same tactics that he is trying to preach against. "Sexual aggression typical of hip hop culture", "the Dade school district said those items were "found" so they wouldn't have to file a police report and increase the rates of black arrests", "the media didn't report that he was drinking Arizona tea because it was watermelon flavored" LMAO way to stereotype there buddy...
Next, that is not lean...it's robotrippin' or DMT or whatever you want to call it. I've never even heard of that mix, but kids come up with all kinds of shit now. Plus if he was high off this shit why didn't he have a bottle of robitussin on him, if he supposedly mixed this on his way back from the store (I thought he was high on weed according to other people trying to attack TM's character). People aren't outraged because they thought he was a saint, people are outraged because an unarmed teen was shot because he was black (looked suspicious).

CLW I saw that news report when it first aired and that is a totally different situation. Dude walked up and confronted her at a gas station with a knife, it was obvious he had ill intent so she defended herself, and the whole confrontation is on camera so there is proof of what actually happened. And if you watch the rest of the report, supposedly those two people knew each other and he was trying to settle some kind of beef over money, but there are conflicting stories from both sides.

[Escobar]

You cannot assault/batter someone simply b/c they are following you. You simply do not have a right to not be followed when out in PUBLIC. Should you pay attention? Sure. But you do not have a right to defend yourself from being followed by initiating a physical confrontation.

Technically they weren't out in public. They were in a gated community which is considered private property, which is the reason Zimmerman was following Trayvon Martin. If I were walking back to my father's house in a gated community and someone was following me I would confront them also, not walk back to my father's house leading them to where I lived so they could rob me.

[SCClassof93]

Technically they weren't out in public. They were in a gated community which is considered private property, which is the reason Zimmerman was following Trayvon Martin. If I were walking back to my father's house in a gated community and someone was following me I would confront them also, not walk back to my father's house leading them to where I lived so they could rob me.

Yes, but TM did not live in that gated community.

[bdoughty]

Yes, but TM did not live in that gated community.

But his fathers girlfriend, who he was apparently visiting did.

[AustinWolv]

the Dade school district said those items were "found" so they wouldn't have to file a police report and increase the rates of black arrests
How is it that guy's fault that Miami-Dade schools/police were doing the stereotyping?
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/04/20/the-miami-dade-issues-with-trayvon-martin-full-recap-six-officer-sworn-affidavits/

They did it, not the guy that did the video. Facts remain that TM skated due to the schoo/police policy.


people are outraged because an unarmed teen was shot because he was black
Perhaps they should be outraged that he got in a fight to begin with, regardless if he was armed or not. Perhaps they should be outraged that he had gotten busted for stealing before as well as engaging in disrespectful talk towards girls and mixing up drugs to get high.
If a black armed citizen had shot TM, this thread and trial wouldn't have even existed. Just ask Chicago. Period.

[oweb26]

I feel VERY confident that TM was the aggressor that started the fight but only TM and GZ know for sure b/c noone apparently saw the fight start.

This is the problem right here, you and honestly most white america seem to feel this way, which is why arguing with you is pointless. You just don't get because you have never walked a day in being black...I swear they need to make "black like me" required reading again.

@Austin

You are correct on if a black person had shot TM this wouldn't have been a problem, honestly speaking the biggest threat to my son is not a GZ its another black person that's just a fact. The difference is most black killing are a result of some sort of gang violence or drugs.

In that same regard no black person would have been following him because he was black. Just saying.

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[SCClassof93]

This is the problem right here, you and honestly most white america seem to feel this way, which is why arguing with you is pointless. You just don't get because you have never walked a day in being black...I swear they need to make "black like me" required reading again.

@Austin

You are correct on if a black person had shot TM this wouldn't have been a problem, honestly speaking the biggest threat to my son is not a GZ its another black person that's just a fact. The difference is most black killing are a result of some sort of gang violence or drugs.

In that same regard no black person would have been following him because he was black. Just saying.

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I could follow up your stereotyping with even more, like you and most black Americans think such and such, because of thus and so...........:smh:

[oweb26]

I could follow up your stereotyping with even more, like you and most black Americans think such and such, because of thus and so...........:smh:

I'm not trying to do any negative stereotyping and if you want to be literal then yes i could have chosen my words better....are you honestly going to say that seemingly (that's a keyword) most people who honestly take his side don't think TM started it?

Maybe I should have said that in my initial post.

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[SCClassof93]

I'm not trying to do any negative stereotyping and if you want to be literal then yes i could have chosen my words better....are you honestly going to say that seemingly (that's a keyword) most people who honestly take his side don't think TM started it?

Maybe I should have said that in my initial post.

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The problem is you seem to define "starting it" at the point of GZ daring to find a black kid suspicious. I find "starting it" as TM jumping on GZ, beating his head against the concrete etc. This seems to be the point where we are all talking past each other and I am done with that.

[oweb26]

The problem is you seem to define "starting it" at the point of GZ daring to find a black kid suspicious. I find "starting it" as TM jumping on GZ, beating his head against the concrete etc. This seems to be the point where we are all talking past each other and I am done with that.

Don't skip the following (aka stalking ) him part. Just sayin.

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[SCClassof93]

Don't skip the following (aka stalking ) him part. Just sayin.

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Because "stalkers" always call it in when they do it :fp::bang:

[CLW]

Because "stalkers" always call it in when they do it :fp::bang:

Yep it's just DUMB to discuss the case at this point. Its actually not even a close case. You'd get an F in criminal law if you wrote and essay saying GZ was guilty of anything.

However, the TM supporters apparently believe (contrary to the law) you have the right to beat the crap out of someone for following you and asking you a question. It was pointed out to them in post #12 of this thread that what GZ did is NOT illegal and is not a valid excuse to beat the crap out of someone.

No matter the law is the law and if thugs want to believe they have a right to attack people b/c they don't like being followed I hope that the people they attack stand their ground and pump them full of lead.

[JBHuskers]

George Zimmerman trying to "stand his ground" with his wife now (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57602050-504083/george-zimmerman-taken-into-custody-after-incident-with-gun/) :D

I bet he's dead within a year. Probably self inflicted.

[bdoughty]

Dude is into guns, curvy women and speeding tickets. Someone needs to get him a role on Eastbound and Down along side Kenny Powers.

[JBHuskers]

:nod:

[CLW]

Yeah looks like Zimmerman may have some PTSD or other issues from the circus that was his previous trial. Of course his wife may not be all that credible either.

[Stan HAMsen]

I thought she went to jail?

[CLW]

I thought she went to jail?

I don't recall for sure but she very well may have spent some time in jail for lying to the Judge in GZ's bail hearing. However, perjury isn't "that big of a deal" in most states. Now lie to a Fed. Official its 5 years in prison per lie.

[CLW]

CNN Miami: Police found no gun at George Zimmerman domestic disturbance call
http://twitchy.com/2013/09/09/cnn-miami-police-found-no-gun-at-george-zimmerman-domestic-disturbance-call/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter (http://twitchy.com/2013/09/09/cnn-miami-police-found-no-gun-at-george-zimmerman-domestic-disturbance-call/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter)

[JBHuskers]

George Zimmerman wants to do some celebrity boxing.

One guy has stepped up. The Game (who has Trayvon tattoo'd on him, and is 6'5 240)

I'd pay to see that :D

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/TheGameApr2011.jpg

[cdj]

Zimmerman is already signed up for 'celebrity' boxing. His opponent is....DMX.

[JBHuskers]

Zimmerman is already signed up for 'celebrity' boxing. His opponent is....DMX.

Just as good!

[Stan HAMsen]

I thought part of his defense was "but I had to shoot the scrawny 17 year old because he was kicking my ass even though I take MMA classes 3 times per week."

George - your 15 minutes are up. Don't make it worse on yourself.

[AustinWolv]

I thought part of his defense was "but I had to shoot the scrawny 17 year old because he was kicking my ass even though I take MMA classes 3 times per week."

George - your 15 minutes are up. Don't make it worse on yourself.

And his MMA instructor said he was soft and not good at fighting, sooooooooo......

[skipwondah33]

DMX is like 50 isn't he? Guess he figured didn't want a repeat of going up against someone younger than him and losing, so picked an old dude that's battled with drugs.

Out of 15,000 people they picked DMX?

[CLW]

Yeah Zimmerman is going to lose to just about anyone and I think that's probably the point. Have a bunch of liberal morons pay to see it and then let the $ go to some charity.

My hunch this match is less real than the Royal Rumble. :nod:

[bdoughty]

DMX is like 50 isn't he? Guess he figured didn't want a repeat of going up against someone younger than him and losing, so picked an old dude that's battled with drugs.

Out of 15,000 people they picked DMX?

Let's see fight the 6'5 240 pound guy or DMX an old druggie? Tough choice for the Zimmerman camp.

[bdoughty]

Have a bunch of liberal morons pay

Pretty sure a few White Supremacists and Rednecks (Republican voters) will pony up the cash knowing the matchup.

[AustinWolv]

Pretty sure a few White Supremacists and Rednecks (Republican voters) will pony up the cash knowing the matchup.

Really? All rednecks are Republicans? I can assure you that is not the case, just like all Republicans are not rednecks.

[bdoughty]

Really? All rednecks are Republicans? I can assure you that is not the case, just like all Republicans are not rednecks.

Did you miss the quote I was replying to? It was was done in jest. You know, "Funny Hah Hah."

Regards,

A Republican who is neither a redneck or white supremacist.

[AustinWolv]

{shrug}
Saw it, neither read as tongue in cheek.

[Stan HAMsen]

Rich, white, redneck, white supremacist, 19 year old Canadians tend to vote for the GOP.

[skipwondah33]

Let's see fight the 6'5 240 pound guy or DMX an old druggie? Tough choice for the Zimmerman camp.So only 2 possible choices out of over 15,000? All 14,998 must have been 6'5...240 then. Or DMX had something the rest didn't have....drug problem and advanced age

[souljahbill]

Should've fought Trayvon's dad. It would be the biggest PPV in history.

[bdoughty]

Fight was cancelled due to the promoter realizing, "There is more to life than money." (http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/08/george-zimmerman-fight-celebrity-boxing-cancelled-dmx/) Since hell did not freeze over, he must have figured that there would be no money left for him.

[skipwondah33]

Haha what the hell he's just now realizing that?

"I'm so lucky, those people must be in so much pain"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZuC4MmMzcg&feature=player_embedded

TMZ is hilarious