2012 NFL Offseason Talk

[ram29jackson]

Uhm ...... no. You buy the new jersey for the new player because you believe he'll make a difference. Not because you admire anything he's actually done for your team yet.

and I'll say no, they are buying a jersey of a player who has already succeeded. They may hope he does well for them but hope doesnt cause a jersey to out sell others. Past success plus who he is causes it to sell big..even if he fails, its still the pro jersey of what is possibly the greatest college QB of a long time,stat wise.

[jaymo76]

I wonder if with the NFL switching to NIKE this year, if any teams are/will be changeing their jersey styles? That definitely happened back when the NHL switched jerseys and for the most part it was NOT for the better.

[ram29jackson]

only teams desperate for change may do something drastic..you know most of the teams like Packers, Steelers,Browns Colts, Redskins,Cowboys, Giants,Bears wont change anything

[jaymo76]

only teams desperate for change may do something drastic..you know most of the teams like Packers, Steelers,Browns Colts, Redskins,Cowboys, Giants,Bears wont change anything

Personally I would love to see the Seahawks get away from their "trendy" colour scheme and move back to a more classic blue & gray traditional look.

[baseballplyrmvp]

if only i found this a couple of days ago

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6001/36989040.jpg

[JeffHCross]

The Ben-gals (the cheerleaders, not the team) have certainly been in the news lately.

First, there was this story about breast implants dividing the locker room. http://www.nesn.com/2012/03/cincinnati-bengals-cheerleaders-locker-room-divided-by-those-who-do-and-do-not-have-breast-implants.html

( Pretty sure someone linked that here, but couldn't find it after a quick search )

Now, the captain is being accused of sleeping with a student. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/ben-gals-cheerleader-caught-sex-scandal-16044427

[JBHuskers]

:clap:

[baseballplyrmvp]

why couldnt i have had teachers who were that hot when i was in school?

[ram29jackson]

they finally get a playoff game after all the other problems with various bad character players and then all this....they forgot that they dont live in Cleveland..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJMa20xXykI

[JeffHCross]

One of the best NFL clips ever.

[ram29jackson]

why couldnt i have had teachers who were that hot when i was in school?

thats hot ? in California,Florida or Texas, I doubt she would make a squad ?

[baseballplyrmvp]

thats hot ? in California,Florida or Texas, I doubt she would make a squad ?she's 100X hotter than any teacher i had in school. regardless if she made a squad or not, she's still a pretty hot teacher.

[JBHuskers]

Nike will be unveiling their uniforms for all 32 teams tomorrow.

[ram29jackson]

Nike will be unveiling their uniforms for all 32 teams tomorrow.


:drool:

[SmoothPancakes]

All I know is I'm gonna be pissed off if they fucked up Denver's unis.

[baseballplyrmvp]

All I know is I'm gonna be pissed off if they fucked up Denver's unis.you dont like shit colored brown and yellow uniforms?

[JBHuskers]

Sounds like the press conference is at 11 EST tomorrow for the Nike unveil.

[SmoothPancakes]

you dont like shit colored brown and yellow uniforms?

I actually have one of their throwback yellow jerseys. I have a white, yellow, orange and navy blue jersey. I just hope Nike doesn't get "creative" with the unis like the shit we see in college football every year. Denver's uniforms have been great and perfect in my opinion. No need to change them. Denver's already making the switch to the orange jerseys for their full time home jersey this coming season and making the navy blues their alternates. Just don't fuck up the design and they'll be just fine with making the orange the regular home jersey.

[baseballplyrmvp]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/lsu-morris-claiborne-scored-four-wonderlic-test-175829326.html

a 4? isnt writing your name worth like 5 points?

[ram29jackson]

http://prod.images.seahawks.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/SEAHAWKS/assets/images/imported/SEA/photos/clubimages/2012/04-April/grey-back--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg?width=960&height=720&interpolation=bilinear

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558573_10150624671146722_84249551721_9518373_13526 42536_n.jpg

[SmoothPancakes]

I'm pretty sure you want the uniform/dress up thread, not the offseason talk thread.

[ram29jackson]

I'm pretty sure you want the uniform/dress up thread, not the offseason talk thread.

:P shut up and look at it

[steelerfan]

:P shut up and look at it

:fp:

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[ram29jackson]

:fp:

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:confused::whoa::mad::o:P

[SmoothPancakes]

Who was it, ram or someone trying to make the claim that Gregg Williams and the Saints bounty program was just about trying to hit the guys a little hard, trying to stick them a little harder? These quotes from Williams in recently released audio of Williams talking to the Saints players, says otherwise.


“We've got to do everything in the world to make sure we kill Frank Gore's head. We want him running sideways. We want his head sideways.”
-- Gregg Williams, on Frank Gore, in speech to Saints players before playoff game

On Smith: "Every single one of you, before you get off the pile, affect the head. Early, affect the head. Continue, touch and hit the head."

On Kyle Williams: "We need to find out in the first two series of the game, that little wide receiver, No. 10, about his concussion. We need to f------ put a lick on him right now. He needs to decide. He needs to f------ decide."

On Crabtree: "We need to decide whether Crabtree wants to be a fake-ass prima donna, or he wants to be a tough guy. We need to find out. He becomes human when we f------ take out that outside ACL."

On Davis: "We need to decide how many times we can bull rush and and we can f------ put Vernon Davis' ankles over the pile."

Full story is on ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7778005/gregg-williams-told-new-orleans-saints-hurt-san-francisco-49ers-speech

[JeffHCross]

Ban him for life. I'm sure other coaches have done it, but send a message and ban him for life. Personally, I have no problem with a team encouraging, and even rewarding, hard hits. But purposeful injury attempts goes against how I believe sports should be played.

[baseballplyrmvp]

strip club dancer offers to give tebow his first lap dance (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tim-tebow-offered-first-lap-dance-york-strip-183343070.html;_ylt=Aj3DQtJIYC5z3jR.ZpQS_Sc5nYcB)

*sigh* why couldnt i get offers like that? must be good to be timmy http://www.w54.biz/images/smilies/banana.gif

[JBHuskers]

strip club dancer offers to give tebow his first lap dance (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tim-tebow-offered-first-lap-dance-york-strip-183343070.html;_ylt=Aj3DQtJIYC5z3jR.ZpQS_Sc5nYcB)

*sigh* why couldnt i get offers like that? must be good to be timmy http://www.w54.biz/images/smilies/banana.gif

Yeah but the majority of the world has gotten laid earlier than he will be.

[JeffHCross]

"The six-paragraph press release contained no references to Tebowing or religion or John Elway, thus making it the first such document in recorded history."

:D

[SmoothPancakes]

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2012 Pittsburgh Bumblebees.

:D :D :D :D :D

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/SmoothPancakes/557809_10150753260571100_94471021099_9444854_38499 8091_n.jpg

[ram29jackson]

hey, at least its some aspect of history..they should probably go with an all yellow helmet

[SmoothPancakes]

hey, at least its some aspect of history..they should probably go with an all yellow helmet

I don't care what aspect of history it is, that thing is UGLY and seriously needs to be thrown back. Either that or burned. YIKES!

[ram29jackson]

I don't care what aspect of history it is, that thing is UGLY and seriously needs to be thrown back. Either that or burned. YIKES!

its existance has nothing to do with whether it appears ugly to you. It wasnt ugly by yesteryrears standards. They did what they did the way they could...and quite frankly, it might help the QB find his target quicker LOL

[ram29jackson]

I don't care what aspect of history it is, that thing is UGLY and seriously needs to be thrown back. Either that or burned. YIKES!

its existance has nothing to do with whether it appears ugly to you. It wasnt ugly by yesteryrears standards. They did what they did the way they could...and quite frankly, it might help the QB find his target quicker LOL

[steelerfan]

I don't care what aspect of history it is, that thing is UGLY and seriously needs to be thrown back. Either that or burned. YIKES!

People in glass houses, shouldn't cast stones. ;)

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6cd0b67-3c5e-6911.jpg

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[SmoothPancakes]

People in glass houses, shouldn't cast stones. ;)

http://img.tapatalk.com/a6cd0b67-3c5e-6911.jpg

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Hey, I was saying myself last year that the Broncos should have left those in the 60s, so I'm gonna throw away. ;) :)

[SmoothPancakes]

its existance has nothing to do with whether it appears ugly to you. It wasnt ugly by yesteryrears standards. They did what they did the way they could...and quite frankly, it might help the QB find his target quicker LOL

Just because it wasn't "ugly" in 1934, doesn't mean it doesn't look like shit today. There's a reason those uniforms have never ONCE been worn by the Steelers since 1934.

[steelerfan]

Just because it wasn't "ugly" in 1934, doesn't mean it doesn't look like shit today. There's a reason those uniforms have never ONCE been worn by the Steelers since 1934.

Meh. They will wear them for a couple games. It's a piece of their history and this is their 80th season. 1934 was their second year. I have no problem with them wearing them a couple times.

Are they ugly? Yes. Are they the worst throwbacks ever? No. Are they among the 5 or 10 worst throwbacks ever? Probably. Will I buy one of these jerseys? No. Are they better than the current Seahawks uniforms? Possibly.

Who cares?

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[ram29jackson]

[QUOTE=steelerfan;133952]People in glass houses, shouldn't cast stones. ;)

or throw fishing poles

[SmoothPancakes]

Meh. They will wear them for a couple games. It's a piece of their history and this is their 80th season. 1934 was their second year. I have no problem with them wearing them a couple times.

Are they ugly? Yes. Are they the worst throwbacks ever? No. Are they among the 5 or 10 worst throwbacks ever? Probably. Will I buy one of these jerseys? No. Are they better than the current Seahawks uniforms? Possibly.

Who cares?

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Alright, that just made me bust out laughing. :D Sadly you might be right. :D

[JeffHCross]

Greatest Heisman Winners in the NFL, according to the NFL network:
#1 Barry Sanders
#2 "Captain America" Roger Staubach
#3 OJ Simpson
#4 Paul Hornung
#5 Charles Woodson
#6 Tony Dorsett
#7 Tim Tebow
#8 Earl Campbell
#9 Marcus Allen
#10 Cam Newton

They redeemed themselves with the Top 2 ... but Tebow? Newton? What a shit list.

In their defense, everyone interviewed for the Tebow segment started laughing. "Tebow made our list because he did what most Heisman winners failed to do, made his college game work in the NFL." What a crap reason.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/04/nfl-films-rates-tim-tebow-ahead-of-earl-campbell-marcus-allen/1

[jaymo76]

Meh. They will wear them for a couple games. It's a piece of their history and this is their 80th season. 1934 was their second year. I have no problem with them wearing them a couple times.

Are they ugly? Yes. Are they the worst throwbacks ever? No. Are they among the 5 or 10 worst throwbacks ever? Probably. Will I buy one of these jerseys? No. Are they better than the current Seahawks uniforms? Possibly.
Who cares?

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Sadly, they are better than the Seahawks new unis :(

[steelerfan]

Greatest Heisman Winners in the NFL, according to the NFL network:
#1 Barry Sanders
#2 "Captain America" Roger Staubach
#3 OJ Simpson
#4 Paul Hornung
#5 Charles Woodson
#6 Tony Dorsett
#7 Tim Tebow
#8 Earl Campbell
#9 Marcus Allen
#10 Cam Newton

They redeemed themselves with the Top 2 ... but Tebow? Newton? What a shit list.

In their defense, everyone interviewed for the Tebow segment started laughing. "Tebow made our list because he did what most Heisman winners failed to do, made his college game work in the NFL." What a crap reason.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/04/nfl-films-rates-tim-tebow-ahead-of-earl-campbell-marcus-allen/1

That is a shame. How can those 2 be on such a list already, much less have Tebow ahead of Campbell and Allen?

Personally, I would put Allen and Dorsett ahead of Woodson too. I'm also hard pressed to have Sanders at the top of the list. While I consider him the greatest back of all time, he didn't win anything and he doesn't hold any significant records.

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[JeffHCross]

he didn't win anything and he doesn't hold any significant records.True ... but he was on the Lions. Even the greatest running back of all-time, if he's that, can't carry an entire loser team. The fact that he got them to the playoffs is saying something, and I genuinely believe he could have had the rushing record if he had deemed it important enough to continue playing for.

[steelerfan]

if he had deemed it important enough to continue playing for.

Yes, he presumably could have. But, he didn't.

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[ram29jackson]

the list says nothing about NFL success as a factor..it just says greatest Heisman winners in NFL. Tebow is statistically one of the greatest QBs in college and deserves to be somewhere on that list..not sure about Cam?

[steelerfan]

the list says nothing about NFL success as a factor..it just says greatest Heisman winners in NFL. Tebow is statistically one of the greatest QBs in college and deserves to be somewhere on that list..not sure about Cam?

:fp:


Did you read it? It says it ranks the NFL ACCOMPLISHMENTS of Heisman winners.

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[SmoothPancakes]

:fp:


Did you read it? It says it ranks the NFL ACCOMPLISHMENTS of Heisman winners.

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It is ram we're talking about. :fp:

[ram29jackson]

:fp:


Did you read it? It says it ranks the NFL ACCOMPLISHMENTS of Heisman winners.

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of course I didnt read it.. I just read the line above Sanders name..I dont have all day to research forum posts..thats why they are forum posts..for short term reading

[steelerfan]

of course I didnt read it.. I just read the line above Sanders name..I dont have all day to research forum posts..thats why they are forum posts..for short term reading

I figured you ASSumed, but didn't want to call you an ASSumer.

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[ram29jackson]

It is ram we're talking about. :fp:

redundant-redundant-redundant :D

[ram29jackson]

I figured you ASSumed, but didn't want to call you an ASSumer.

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ok Assteelerfan :D

[steelerfan]

ok Assteelerfan :D

http://img.tapatalk.com/62c401e2-a9d5-ed4d.jpg

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[baseballplyrmvp]

:popcorn: :D

[steelerfan]

Jonathan Vilma has been suspended for the entire 2012 season for his participation in the Saints' bounty program.

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[Deuce]

Jonathan Vilma has been suspended for the entire 2012 season for his participation in the Saints' bounty program.

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Wow...WTF? I thought 6 games at most.


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[steelerfan]

Wow...WTF? I thought 6 games at most.


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ESPN NFL - Saints bounty suspensions: DE Will Smith 4 games, DL Anthony Hargrove (now with Packers) 8 games, LB Scott Fujita (now with Browns) 3 games; players have 3 days to appeal

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[Marlowe]

RIP Junior Seau:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/05/02/police-probe-shooting-at-home-of-nfl-great-junior-seau-e/

[skipwondah33]

Man Seau was my favorite player growing up..still was, even over Jerome Bettis. Reason I wanted to play LB growing up and in HS. And why I wore #55.

RIP

[Rudy]

I think the NFL is going to have to consider mandatory retirement rules. You play X many games and/or X many snaps in games and you are done. This needs to be stronger for the guys that play in the box too. Some of these guys like Seau (and in the future Ray Lewis) play a violent position for too many years and games. The brain damage adds up.

We've had Seau and Dave Duerson die recently but there are quite a few more over the past while. It's sad and preventable. An absolutely huge and too expensive price to pay for a game. The new lighter contact CBA rules will help but these stories are awful.

[ram29jackson]

Vilma...the league is suspending a guy for hitting hard....for a year..this commish is trying waaaay too hard..he's too old to be influenced by such a wussy generation I would think..but..

[Rudy]

Vilma...the league is suspending a guy for hitting hard....for a year..this commish is trying waaaay too hard..he's too old to be influenced by such a wussy generation I would think..but..

It has nothing to do with hitting hard. It's for running a bounty program that was trying to injure players. If the NFL doesn't come down on this hard they open themselves up for lawsuits regarding player safety. With Seau's apparent suicide Vilma has even less support.

Don't forget that the NFL punishes guys depending on public opinion as well. The public thought Vick had served his time so he was welcomed back to the NFL. Donte Stallworth? The courts made their ruling but people were upset so the NFL suspends him an extra year. Goodell is the 3rd court of public opinion. A Lions coach in 2006 drives through a Wendy's naked and then gets a DUI a week later. He only got a 1 game suspension because it wasn't mainstream news. The NFL is all about protecting image and public opinion.

[SmoothPancakes]

It has nothing to do with hitting hard. It's for running a bounty program that was trying to injure players. If the NFL doesn't come down on this hard they open themselves up for lawsuits regarding player safety. With Seau's apparent suicide Vilma has even less support.

Don't forget that the NFL punishes guys depending on public opinion as well. The public thought Vick had served his time so he was welcomed back to the NFL. Donte Stallworth? The courts made their ruling but people were upset so the NFL suspends him an extra year. Goodell is the 3rd court of public opinion. A Lions coach in 2006 drives through a Wendy's naked and then gets a DUI a week later. He only got a 1 game suspension because it wasn't mainstream news. The NFL is all about protecting image and public opinion.

It's definitely safe to say that didn't hit the mainstream news. Even living in NW Ohio, I have no memory of ever hearing about this. :D

[steelerfan]

It's definitely safe to say that didn't hit the mainstream news.

Who hasn't done that though? :sf:

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[ram29jackson]

I think the NFL is going to have to consider mandatory retirement rules. You play X many games and/or X many snaps in games and you are done. This needs to be stronger for the guys that play in the box too. Some of these guys like Seau (and in the future Ray Lewis) play a violent position for too many years and games. The brain damage adds up.

We've had Seau and Dave Duerson die recently but there are quite a few more over the past while. It's sad and preventable. An absolutely huge and too expensive price to pay for a game. The new lighter contact CBA rules will help but these stories are awful.


look, while i admit football is hard on the human body..it depends on the person..Nitchke and Butkiss have and are living pretty long lives along with so many others who were still alive many years after playing who played in a less padded era..yes, most of the early players didnt lead with their heads like the morons of the past 30 years...i dont know..dont feel like writing a whole thing on this ..LOL

[Rudy]

It's definitely safe to say that didn't hit the mainstream news. Even living in NW Ohio, I have no memory of ever hearing about this. :D

Yeah. I guess the Lions suspended him for one game but still let him coach during practices. Then the NFL stepped in and got him for another game. I guess naked must have been one game and DUI another! No word on whether he asked Wendy's to supersize his fry.

http://deadspin.com/199349/at-least-he-didnt-biggie-size
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2702095

[steelerfan]

Schefter: Ravens LB Terrell Suggs could miss 2012 season after tearing Achilles playing basketball.

See ya, asshole.

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[ryby6969]

Schefter: Ravens LB Terrell Suggs could miss 2012 season after tearing Achilles playing basketball.

See ya, asshole.

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Saying partial tear now from a conditioning run on Saturday. Says he hopes to be back by mid-season. Either way, a huge loss and almost guarantees Upshaw will get significant playing time as a rookie.

BTW, if you were a fan of ND, FSU, or UF, I think I might have to ignore your posts. :P

[JeffHCross]

yes, most of the early players didnt lead with their heads like the morons of the past 30 years...Ding ding ding! If you actually wrap up, you're much less likely to get a concussion. Still possible, but less likely.

Concussions are a problem in rugby, where players are forced to make good tackles, but not nearly the problem that the NFL has.

[Rudy]

That's true Jeff but we can't simply assume concussions only come from big hits. Those are certainly a huge factor but I remember reading a report on helmet sensors where one kid got a concussion on a hit that wasn't even that big. He had taken two big shots earlier and was fine but this third shot (measured smaller than the first two) caused a concussion. There are cumulative effects and as we've seen with boxers, too many shots to the head lead to brain issues down the road.

[JeffHCross]

That's true Jeff but we can't simply assume concussions only come from big hits.Absolutely. That's why I said it only makes it less likely. Concussions can come from something as simple as getting hit in the back. Anything that makes your brain move around inside your skull can cause a concussion. Hell, I'd imagine concussions from headbanging is possible.

[ram29jackson]

Redskins throwback helmet this year for = 1937

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/ram29jackson/skyk-375x500.jpg

[SmoothPancakes]

This is some crazy shit.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--the-real-phillip-thomas-signed-with-the-eagles--his-sly-imposter-wanted-to-be-on-the-redskins.html


The real Phillip Thomas signed with the Eagles; his sly impostor wanted to be on the Redskins

By Les Carpenter | Yahoo! Sports – Fri, May 11, 2012 10:41 PM EDT

PHILADELPHIA – Not long after undrafted free agent Phillip Thomas signed his contract with the Philadelphia Eagles on Friday afternoon, he was led to the office of the team's security officer. There he pulled out his smartphone and tried to show who he really was.

"Here," he said, fingers flying across the screen. "Look, this is my Facebook page right here."

Somebody has been pretending to be the safety from Syracuse, spinning a story so convincing that the fake Phillip Thomas has appeared on blog posts, conducted radio interviews and tweeted a bogus signing with the Washington Redskins. The fake Phillip Thomas created a Facebook page loaded with pictures of the real Phillip Thomas along with photos from inside Redskins Park. The fake Phillip Thomas even posted a picture of a Redskins playbook that appears to have been taken in a hotel room.

While pretending to be the real Phillip Thomas, the fake Phillip Thomas sent me Facebook messages saying he doesn't want to be an Eagle and will be with his team of choice, the Redskins, by training camp.

"That's nuts," Redskins official Tony Wyllie wrote in an email.

"I have no idea who is doing this," the real Phillip Thomas said Friday. "I'm here. I want to be an Eagle."

As the Eagles security man scrolled through the fake Phillip Thomas Facebook page on a laptop computer, he shook his head. He jotted notes on a small pad.

"This kind of stuff happens all the time," he told the real Phillip Thomas.

But rarely with such detail.

_______________

Adam Bradley, a host of Ball Hogs Radio, first heard of Phillip Thomas in the weeks before the draft. A sports marketing consultant in Washington, D.C., put them together after the fake Phillip Thomas contacted the consultant saying he was on the Redskins "radar."

Bradley called the fake Phillip Thomas on the Miami cell number he provided and conducted a lengthy phone interview in which he spoke passionately about his desire to be a Redskin. He talked about a pre-draft workout on the backfields of Redskins Park. He talked about listening in awe as Redskins coach Mike Shanahan told him how much he wanted to win the Super Bowl.

The fake PhillipThomas also told Bradley his favorite player was former Redskins safety Sean Taylor, who was murdered in 2007. He said he had an autographed photo of Taylor that included the words "Stay Focused," and he said another good friend was Jasper Howard, a safety also from Miami, who was killed in a fight at the University of Connecticut.

So convincing and beautiful was his story that Thomas became a favorite on message boards of some Redskins fans who loved the idea of someone with an autographed picture of Sean Taylor vowing to complete Taylor's unfinished legacy.

After the draft, the fake Thomas called Bradley again and said he had signed with the Redskins. He asked Bradley to help get the message out, which Bradley did, posting the news on the Hogs Haven site. When sports writers started calling saying they too had noticed tweets and received Facebook messages from a Phillip Thomas they didn't think were real, Bradley began to worry that his Phillip Thomas interview was not with the real Phillip Thomas.

He found a radio interview the real Phillip Thomas did in Syracuse and the voices didn't match. By then the Eagles had called the real Phillip Thomas' agent, Drew Rosenhaus, who said someone was pretending to be his client. Word trickled back to Bradley who took his interview off the site.

"What baffles me is how this guy got the information about the practices and the [team] workouts Phillip Thomas was doing," Bradley said. "Phillip Thomas has to know something about this person."

The real Phillip Thomas is from Miami, but his cell phone is different from the one provided by the fake Phillip Thomas. The area codes aren't the same. He did know Sean Taylor and was good friends with Howard. He said he was devastated when he learned of Howard's death by reading of it on a news scroll on an airport television.

He said he does not have an autographed picture of Sean Taylor. He also has no affinity for the Redskins. He said he is thrilled to have a chance at the NFL, especially after what happened last fall at Syracuse when the school suspended him for a year because of a team rules violation. He said he smoked marijuana. He said he took a drug test at the draft combine in February and welcomed further drug tests.

The real Phillip Thomas said someone has been impersonating him for some time, going back to his days at Syracuse. That's when strange posts began appearing on his Facebook page, like a picture of a pile of liquor bottles suggesting he had been drinking heavily. Still, he didn't consider it a problem until this spring when he started to hear of the interviews and Facebook and Twitter posts.

A nightclub owner in Washington sent him a message saying, "You're a D.C. dude now," and that he would always be welcome in the man's club. The real Phillip Thomas was perplexed. A D.C. dude? What was this person talking about?

On Friday, the real Phillip Thomas laughed nervously as he scrolled through the fake Phillip Thomas' Facebook page on a laptop. He was shocked by the fake Phillip Thomas' misspellings, pointing out that the fake Phillip Thomas had used the word "week" when he should have used "weak." All of it unsettled him, he said. For instance, what was the page's main photo, which appears to show someone talking to a group of children in a classroom? The implication was he was speaking to a class, but he had never seen the children or the room or even the photo. The person talking to the class is conveniently looking down, his face hidden from view.

"I have no idea who this is," the real Phillip Thomas said. "He's got to be watching my every move."

The real Phillip Thomas wondered if perhaps the fake Phillip Thomas is taking everything he tweets or posts and fitting it into a fictitious narrative. Like in the case of running back Antwon Bailey, a Syracuse teammate who signed with the Redskins as an undrafted free agent. The fake Phillip Thomas claims Bailey – or "Twon" – is his best friend. The real Phillip Thomas said he is friends with Bailey but not best friends. However, he once flew on the same airplane as Bailey and tweeted that they were on a plane together.

"He don't know nothing about me," the real Phillip Thomas said about the fake Phillip Thomas. "He's said nothing that relates to me."

The real Phillip Thomas doesn't believe the fake Phillip Thomas did anything illegal. The real Phillip Thomas' bank accounts seem secure. Mostly, the real Phillip Thomas would like this all to go away.

"I'm still dealing with it," he said.

_______________

The fake Phillip Thomas has been messaging me for close to a month now. It started after I wrote a story in early April about a West Virginia defensive end named Bruce Irvin, a high school dropout who had turned his life around. The fake Phillip Thomas Facebook friended me and said he had his own story to tell.

We exchanged messages a few times before the draft. I told him I had covered Taylor's death and would like to talk to him about it. He seemed excited to do so. But I suspected something wasn't right when the posts about the Redskins kept coming up even though he was listed on the Eagles' roster. When I messaged him about the discrepancy, he said he needed to have surgery and would actually sign with the Redskins right before training camp.

His words didn't make sense. Neither did the awkward photo he posted on Facebook last week of an NFL contract with the name "Phillip Thomas" and "Washington Redskins" superimposed in typeface way too large for the document. His Facebook page location now said "Landover, Maryland," which is the site of FedEx Field but is also some 50 miles from the Redskins' headquarters in Ashburn, Va.

Then Thursday the fake Phillip Thomas messaged on Facebook again. He said he was coming up to Maryland from Miami to hit the area's nightlife. Knowing the Eagles were scheduled to have a rookie minicamp starting the next morning and certain I was dealing with a fake, I asked if he was a Redskin or an Eagle.

He said the Eagles had signed him right after the draft then told him they had cut him at which point the Redskins snatched him up, only to have the Eagles say they hadn't released him at all.

"They are literally fighting over it," he typed, referring to the Redskins and Eagles. "I told them I want to be a Redskin."

But he also said the kinds of things a player would say. He complained that NFL contracts are not guaranteed. He said he got a $3,000 signing bonus while Bailey only received $1,200.
"He was so mad," the fake Thomas typed. "LMAO."

Still, too much seemed suspicious. As we chatted via Facebook, I called the Eagles, who said the real Phillip Thomas was coming to Friday's camp. A team official even told me what time the flight was scheduled to arrive. When I returned to the computer, I asked the fake Phillip Thomas if he was coming Friday. He said the Eagles were making him but that he was sure he would be a Redskin by training camp. When I asked what time he was getting to Philadelphia, he didn't reply. When I asked if he had a number for Rosenhaus, he said he didn't have his phone with him.

Then he sent a photo of a Florida drivers license for Phillip Thomas even though I hadn't asked for any identification.

"That should clear it up Im [sic] me," he typed. "LOL."

When I said I was going to Philadelphia on Friday, he replied: "I'll be there.

_______________

After meeting the real Phillip Thomas on Friday, I called the fake Thomas on the cell number he messaged me, which was the same one he gave Bradley for the Ball Hogs Radio interview.

"Yes, we talked yesterday," the fake Phillip Thomas said when I introduced myself. His voice was flat with no inflections, unlike the real Phillip Thomas, who has a hint of a Caribbean accent.

I asked if he was in Philadelphia.

"Yes, sir," he replied.

Then I told him I had just met the real Phillip Thomas.

He hung up.

Down the hall, Phillip Thomas of the Philadelphia Eagles left the team security office and headed toward his new NFL life. He said the driver's license on the Facebook page was his old license and he wondered how someone had a photo of it.

"I just want to get this taken care of," he said. "It's crazy."

He shook his head and walked away.

[steelerfan]

Mors, are you responsible for this? PM me if you can't post details. :D ;) :P

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[SmoothPancakes]

:D

[souljahbill]

I just want to say that my hometown team (Saints) should just skip this season and count this season as a lost cause.

[ryby6969]

For me, there has always been something about Russell Wilson. If he was a few inches taller, he would be in the discussion for first round QB's. It was lost how good of a season he had this year, and if his defense could stop two hail mary passes, they would have been in the NC game.

Pete Carroll has said that Wilson is in contention for the starting job this season. They are saying Wilson was given 500 plays in his rookie mini camp, and he messed up 1 call. Jackson may be looking for work after this preseason.

[ryby6969]

damn double post. :(

[JBHuskers]

Kinda like the dude in Pittsburgh who made dumbass chicks think he was Ben Roethlisberger :D

[morsdraconis]

Mors, are you responsible for this? PM me if you can't post details. :D ;) :P

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What can I say? ;)

[baseballplyrmvp]

Pete Carroll has said that Wilson is in contention for the starting job this season. They are saying Wilson was given 500 plays in his rookie mini camp, and he messed up 1 call. Jackson may be looking for work after this preseason.well, duh! tavaris is terrible. i would jamarcus russell over tavaris jackson any day of the week. lol

[Rudy]

well, duh! tavaris is terrible. i would jamarcus russell over tavaris jackson any day of the week. lol

That's like choosing between broccoli and cauliflower for dessert. Ugh.

[JBHuskers]

well, duh! tavaris is terrible. i would jamarcus russell over tavaris jackson any day of the week. lol

a 300lb QB on sizzurp over Tavaris?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCks3bvTdA#t=39s

[baseballplyrmvp]

a 300lb QB on sizzurp over Tavaris?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCks3bvTdA#t=39s:nod: yep, i would. i wouldnt play him, but tavaris is flat out terrible. and if i were john schneider/pete carroll, i'd do just about anything to get rid of tavaris.

[jaymo76]

well, duh! tavaris is terrible. i would jamarcus russell over tavaris jackson any day of the week. lol

After watching my Raiders flounder under JaMassive Russell... I would honestly take Tavaris jackson

[JBHuskers]

NFL just announced that they will require players to wear thigh and knee pads starting in 2013. Don't like that it's mandatory.

[Rudy]

NFL just announced that they will require players to wear thigh and knee pads starting in 2013. Don't like that it's mandatory.

That stuff is mandatory in high school and it's also mandatory in college isn't it? I don't think it's a big deal and NFL is clearly trying to make the game safer and/or prevent further lawsuits.

[steelerfan]

Don't like that it's mandatory.

Why? How will it affect you?

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[JBHuskers]

I think it should be up to the player to risk it to be quicker and faster. It's a little different than concussions.

[Rudy]

Thigh and knee pads don't weigh very much though. And even if it did slow these guys down maybe that's a good thing to help prevent injuries.

[steelerfan]

Thigh and knee pads don't weigh very much though. And even if it did slow these guys down maybe that's a good thing to help prevent injuries.

This, and if everyone is wearing them, the slow-down will apply to everyone, leveling the playing field. It's just another one of Goodell's future lawsuit buffers, and it doesn't bother me in the least.

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[JBHuskers]

Not saying it bothers me. I am just saying it just shouldn't be mandated.

[steelerfan]

Not saying it bothers me. I am just saying it just shouldn't be mandated.

I just don't see any reason, as a fan, to care. It won't affect how the game is played, or affect the outcome.

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[ram29jackson]

well, with the new tech, it may less weight now anyway.. but the guys will probably do what they did before not wearing them and thats shave them down or something to lighten them...but i'm sure nike and under armour are creating new lighter stuff to use.

LOL hey, if the pads are a little thick like the 70s and start slowing down these video game passing stats, I'm all for it !!!

[morsdraconis]

(sigh)

Pussy ass arbitrator for case regarding absolutely bullshit and totally unfounded cap penalties for Redskins and Cowboys threw out the case today and the Redskins and Cowboys are accepting that bullshit because, otherwise, their win could actually tear the CBA and thus the NFL apart. FUCK YOU ROGER GOODELL and especially FUCK YOU MARA ASSHOLES. I hope you all rot in a special kind of hell.


Redskins ‏@Redskins

Joint statement by the #Redskins and #Cowboys on the salary cap: "“We pursued our salary cap claim pursuant to the CBA...(more)

"and we respect and will abide by the arbitrator's decision to dismiss. We will continue to focus on our football teams and the 2012 season”

[Rudy]

I'm surprised the NFL got away with that and I'm more surprised the players went along with it. That's a crapload of money the players won't be getting from the Cowboys and Redskins next year. I guess "uncapped" year isn't really an uncapped year. This stinks of collusion.

[steelerfan]

I'm surprised the NFL got away with that and I'm more surprised the players went along with it. That's a crapload of money the players won't be getting from the Cowboys and Redskins next year. I guess "uncapped" year isn't really an uncapped year. This stinks of collusion.

The money is being added to the other 30 teams' caps to offset the amount these 2 are being penalized.

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[JBHuskers]

On the surface it looks like the rich trying to abuse the system, but Mara's involvement in blowing the whistle is VERY suspect considering it's two division rivals. Also, at the same time the league had to approve these restructures knowing that they were abusing the system to gain an advantage in later years. From the NFL's side of things, the penalties are not because of what they did in 2010, it's what they did for the future, giving them a competitive advantage.

[morsdraconis]

On the surface it looks like the rich trying to abuse the system, but Mara's involvement in blowing the whistle is VERY suspect considering it's two division rivals. Also, at the same time the league had to approve these restructures knowing that they were abusing the system to gain an advantage in later years. From the NFL's side of things, the penalties are not because of what they did in 2010, it's what they did for the future, giving them a competitive advantage.

They didn't break any rules at all. In fact, they did something that the Bears, Tampa Bay, as well as several other teams did the same way just not as much as the Redskins and Cowboys did. In fact, the CBA was ratified to make it a rule WAY after the fact (including after Goodell handed down his punishment for something that wasn't a rule yet).

The facts are this: Under the old CBA rules (which were in effect during the uncapped year) no rules, at all, were broken by any team by doing what they did, yet, the Redskins and the Cowboys were the only teams that were punished for doing it. Funny how that works eh?

[ryby6969]

If they want to make something mandatory, they should make mouthpiece's.

[JBHuskers]

NFL Owners vote to move the trade deadline from after week 6 to after week 8.

[Rudy]

On the surface it looks like the rich trying to abuse the system, but Mara's involvement in blowing the whistle is VERY suspect considering it's two division rivals. Also, at the same time the league had to approve these restructures knowing that they were abusing the system to gain an advantage in later years. From the NFL's side of things, the penalties are not because of what they did in 2010, it's what they did for the future, giving them a competitive advantage.

Didn't everyone expect the rich owners to abuse the system if it went to an uncapped year? Of course they abused the system but they didn't break any rules while doing it. The truth is some of the cheap owners went way under the old salary cap floor in the uncapped year. Why was that OK but not a rich owner from dumping cap charges in an uncapped year? This was always the fear of the uncapped year but instead it became an unofficially capped year. It's completely bogus imo and I don't care about the Cowboys and Redskins (don't like Snyder).

[JBHuskers]

I'm just looking at it from both perspectives. From the NFL's side, they're abusing the system years in advance of the uncapped year. It's the other years outside of and after 2010 that they're looking at.

[ram29jackson]

NFL Owners vote to move the trade deadline from after week 6 to after week 8.


:)) :)) :))

[JBHuskers]

As expected, the NFLPA files a collusion lawsuit against the NFL owners.

[psusnoop]

There are some things that just shouldn't be shared on social media :smh:

http://media.scout.com/Media/Player/99035_davidclowney.JPG

http://edge.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/2097689/82555057.jpg

[baseballplyrmvp]

what a dumbass

[psusnoop]

Yeah I can't even remotely think for 1 second anything good that can come from posting that on his twitter account

[ram29jackson]

Robert Griffin III is first NFL player with Roman numerals on jersey
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/ram29jackson/robert-griffin-iii-redskins-jersey.jpg

[ram29jackson]

whats wrong with proving you are HIV negative ?..its not a bad thing..

[SmoothPancakes]

whats wrong with proving you are HIV negative ?..its not a bad thing..

Well, first, if you are apparently fucking so many people that you have to go have tests and prove to the world that you're HIV negative, you need some help or you're just a giant massive whore. Second, when you've already bounced around between four teams in your 5 year NFL career, maybe you should focus more on football and getting better on the field than fucking so many women that you need to even worry about getting an HIV test done.

[ram29jackson]

Robert Griffin III is first NFL player with Roman numerals on jersey
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/ram29jackson/robert-griffin-iii-redskins-jersey.jpg

bump LOL

[baseballplyrmvp]

sorry ram....but no one cares about that.

[ram29jackson]

sorry ram....but no one cares about that.

it causes me to want his jersey even more though :)

[baseballplyrmvp]

http://www.smileystar.com/smileys/msn-banner-smileys/looser.gif

[SmoothPancakes]

sorry ram....but no one cares about that.

This. :D

Great, he's the first player to have Roman numerals on his jersey, good for him. I honestly couldn't care less.

[ram29jackson]

This. :D

Great, he's the first player to have Roman numerals on his jersey, good for him. I honestly couldn't care less.

yes dude, we know, you have to seem as cool and indifferent to everthing :D

trivial or groundbreaking doesnt matter to me, its still a football related tidbit. Just a unique little detail.

I honestly hope he does well..but aside from Steve Young and Fran Tarkenton,mobile QBS dont have a great deal of post season success in history..yes, I consider Cunningham and Vick way below the first two of course...and Elway wasnt that mobile when he finally got his. Or at least he was more subtle about it LOL

[JeffHCross]

Well, first, if you are apparently fucking so many people that you have to go have tests and prove to the world that you're HIV negative, you need some help or you're just a giant massive whore.While I'd bet that you're absolutely right about why he's doing it ... I'm sure there are some people that get tested just to be cautious.

But there's absolutely nothing good that could come about because of putting it on social media. "Hey baby, I'm disease free, didn't you see my Tweet?"


trivial or groundbreaking doesnt matter to meyes dude, we know.

its still a football related tidbit. Just a unique little detail.It's interesting ... though less so when it's revealed that a recent NFL rule change (though I can't find how recent) made it possible.

[SmoothPancakes]

While I'd bet that you're absolutely right about why he's doing it ... I'm sure there are some people that get tested just to be cautious.

But there's absolutely nothing good that could come about because of putting it on social media. "Hey baby, I'm disease free, didn't you see my Tweet?"

Yeah, if you're just being cautious, go for it. Me, I've kept my sexual partners to a limited number, and I know for a fact they have all been clean, so I've had nothing to worry about and no need to worry about getting tested for HIV or other diseases. And agreed, nothing good will or would come from putting that out on social media. I know with Facebook, Twitter, FourSquare and whatever else there is these days, everybody feels the need to share every single minute detail of their daily lives (*cough* JB :P), but some things really are best kept private.

[psuexv]

Not a big Tom Brady fan but this is pretty funny

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2fbed587d7/tom-brady-s-wicked-accent

[JBHuskers]

Top NFL jersey sales since the switch to Nike on April 1st.

1) Peyton Manning - Broncos
2) Tim Tebow - NY Jets
3) RG III - Washington
4) Andrew Luck - Colts
5) Eli Manning - NY Giants
6) Aaron Rodgers - Packers

[ram29jackson]

Top NFL jersey sales since the switch to Nike on April 1st.

1) Peyton Manning - Broncos
2) Tim Tebow - NY Jets
3) RG III - Washington
4) Andrew Luck - Colts
5) Eli Manning - NY Giants
6) Aaron Rodgers - Packers


good, no weed heads or prima donna's

[JeffHCross]

So, Terrell Owens, how's the Indoor Football League?

Oh wait.

[SmoothPancakes]

So, Terrell Owens, how's the Indoor Football League?

Oh wait.

:D

[JBHuskers]

So, Terrell Owens, how's the Indoor Football League?

Oh wait.

And he things he'll get on an NFL roster in 2012 :fp: sorry they don't have an only home games contract.

[steelerfan]

Justin Blackmon was arrested on aggravated DUI charges. He's on my short list for first round busts this year. The others:

Ryan Tannehill
Bruce Irvin
Dontari Poe

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[JeffHCross]

While I think Blackmon will be successful, I will be watching him closely. I personally believe the Browns would have been better off keeping the picks they traded to move up, and selecting Blackmon to go with Weeden. But if Richardson is a stud four years from now, and Blackmon is a bust, obviously the Browns will be in a good spot.

[SmoothPancakes]

Something I posted on Facebook a little bit ago.


Jacksonville Jaguars first round draft pick, receiver Justin Blackmon, was arrested for DUI earlier this morning, blowing three times the legal limit. The Jaguars drafted punter Bryan Anger in the third round of the draft. It all makes sense now...

[ryby6969]

Justin Blackmon was arrested on aggravated DUI charges. He's on my short list for first round busts this year. The others:

Ryan Tannehill
Bruce Irvin
Dontari Poe

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Cannot stress how much I think he will be a bust.

[JBHuskers]

Justin Blackmon was arrested on aggravated DUI charges. He's on my short list for first round busts this year. The others:

Ryan Tannehill
Bruce Irvin
Dontari Poe

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Tannehill's wife will be a bust. A beautiful beautiful bust.

[psuexv]

Am I the only one that doesn't think Tannehill's wife is that hot?

[JeffHCross]

Am I the only one that doesn't think Tannehill's wife is that hot?Probably.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Justin Blackmon was arrested on aggravated DUI charges. He's on my short list for first round busts this year. The others:

Ryan Tannehill
Bruce Irvin
Dontari Poe

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2can bruce irvin even qualify as being a bust? he'll only see the field on 3rd downs or long distance downs, which is what he was drafted for. he wasnt drafted to be a starting DE.

[steelerfan]

can bruce irvin even qualify as being a bust? he'll only see the field on 3rd downs or long distance downs, which is what he was drafted for. he wasnt drafted to be a starting DE.

Yeah. If he fails to produce/can't stay out of jail or whatever.

Even if he is productive, taking him 15th (or whatever it was) for that role is a head scratcher anyway, imo.

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[baseballplyrmvp]

Yeah. If he fails to produce/can't stay out of jail or whatever.

Even if he is productive, taking him 15th (or whatever it was) for that role is a head scratcher anyway, imo.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2ya, i agree. but i've also read that other teams were planning on taking him in the mid 20's too, and that many other teams had him as the top pure pass rusher in the draft. but still, 15 was way too high. PC and schneider could have gotten him at least, 5-7 picks later, which would've been another couple of mid/late draft picks.

[baseballplyrmvp]

Am I the only one that doesn't think Tannehill's wife is that hot?she just dropped a whole bunch for me too.....

no ass whatsoever.

http://rogersnider.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/img_8595.jpg

[jaymo76]

she just dropped a whole bunch for me too.....

no ass whatsoever.

http://rogersnider.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/img_8595.jpg

Note to self... Become Miami fan and cheer for the Dolphins

[JBHuskers]

Ooops I meant to grab that orange.

[ram29jackson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBWX2sN3MQ&feature=g-vrec

[JeffHCross]

"Patriots release wide receiver Chad Ochocinco"

Good riddance, Chad.

[Rudy]

Chad's career is over. There is nothing left in that tank. He sucked last year and I would be shocked if anyone signed him.

[souljahbill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBWX2sN3MQ&feature=g-vrec

That was good.

[Rudy]

Yet the stiff arm has largely been MIA this gen.

[Cody]

Jags cut Kampman

[ram29jackson]

That was good.


Yet the stiff arm has largely been MIA this gen.


:)

[steelerfan]

Yet the stiff arm has largely been MIA this gen.

I have put some NASTY ones on LBs on the demo!

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[ram29jackson]

I dont remember this ? what is it ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCBBUMnRqbo&feature=related

[Rudy]

I've only seen that once in my life and I think John Madden was commentating at the time. He was going nuts because he always remembered that rule from being a coach. On any fair catch I think you can get an uncontested free kick. So if someone scores at the end of a half and gets an excessive celebration penalty there is a chance that you can fair catch a short kick and try something like this.

[JeffHCross]

I dont remember this ? what is it ?It's Neil Rackers kicking off. What more explanation do you want? :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Neil-Rackers-attempts-the-rare-fair-catch-kick-?urn=nfl,124170

[morsdraconis]

It's Neil Rackers kicking off. What more explanation do you want? :D

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Neil-Rackers-attempts-the-rare-fair-catch-kick-?urn=nfl,124170

So, when they say it's a "fair catch kick" does that mean that Rackers kicked the ball off, and the Giants fair caught the kick off instead of running it back, thus allowing the Cardinals to attempt this kick? Do I have that right?

[SmoothPancakes]

So, when they say it's a "fair catch kick" does that mean that Rackers kicked the ball off, and the Giants fair caught the kick off instead of running it back, thus allowing the Cardinals to attempt this kick? Do I have that right?

From my understanding of the Yahoo Sports article, the Giants kicked off deep (someone mentioned a penalty or something) and a fair catch gave Arizona the ball at their own 42 yard line.

With only 5 seconds left before halftime, they could have done the usual of snapping the ball and trying a hail mary, or they could "fair catch kick", which is basically a field goal attempt, just the ball isn't snapped, there's no offensive or defensive lines, and it's basically like a kickoff, just no tee and either someone must be holding the ball or you have to drop kick it.

If it goes through the uprights, you get three points, like a standard field goal. If it doesn't and stays in bounds, the other team is able to return it similar to a kickoff return.

[ram29jackson]

Ocho is a Dolphin

[ram29jackson]

From my understanding of the Yahoo Sports article, the Giants kicked off deep (someone mentioned a penalty or something) and a fair catch gave Arizona the ball at their own 42 yard line.

With only 5 seconds left before halftime, they could have done the usual of snapping the ball and trying a hail mary, or they could "fair catch kick", which is basically a field goal attempt, just the ball isn't snapped, there's no offensive or defensive lines, and it's basically like a kickoff, just no tee and either someone must be holding the ball or you have to drop kick it.

If it goes through the uprights, you get three points, like a standard field goal. If it doesn't and stays in bounds, the other team is able to return it similar to a kickoff return.

sounds like a Canadian football rule :D

[SmoothPancakes]

Ocho is a Dolphin

They finally got rid of the cancer that is Brandon Marshall, only to replace it with an even bigger cancer in Chad Ochocinco. Well played Dolphins front office. :fp:

[Rudy]

They finally got rid of the cancer that is Brandon Marshall, only to replace it with an even bigger cancer in Chad Ochocinco. Well played Dolphins front office. :fp:

I'm not a big fan of this move just because I don't think Chad has anything left in the tank. But that might still be better than a lot of the Dolphins WRs. The Dolphins will be relying heavily on TEs and RBs in the passing game because their WRs have to be the worst in the league. They are terrible. Your top two WRs are Devone Bess and Brian Hartline. Neither of those guys are #1 material and probably not #2 material. They don't have a legitimate starter imo. And the guys after them don't have any catches or experience and not a lot of upside. Most Dolphin fans couldn't name the young unknowns on this roster. I'm just praying one of them blossoms into something because there looks to be no talent at WR for Miami.

[souljahbill]

They finally got rid of the cancer that is Brandon Marshall, only to replace it with an even bigger cancer in Chad Ochocinco. Well played Dolphins front office. :fp:

You think Ocho is a cancer? He may be a shameless self-promoter but he's always appeared to be a team guy, to me.

[psuexv]

You think Ocho is a cancer? He may be a shameless self-promoter but he's always appeared to be a team guy, to me.

Yeah I agree. He did nothing in Cincy to break the team apart, even with TO there. And he played his role in NE and you really didn't hear him complain at all.

[JBHuskers]

Dolphins get Hard Knocks. Dolphins sign Eight Five. Hmmmmm.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s159/jbennett98/Forum%20Pictures/NoShitSherlock.jpg

[ram29jackson]

You think Ocho is a cancer? He may be a shameless self-promoter but he's always appeared to be a team guy, to me.

he can be goof-ball. But he isnt a jerk. He got more acting gigs then T O during the lock out LOL

[SmoothPancakes]

You think Ocho is a cancer? He may be a shameless self-promoter but he's always appeared to be a team guy, to me.

Well, he may not be a cancer (I was making the post at 1:30 in the morning so it sounded good to me :D), but he is and can be a diva and occasionally stir up shit in the locker room and on the field. He may have finally settled down over the last couple years, I'll admit that I haven't really heard much about him getting in trouble or starting problems up in New England, but then again, I really don't pay any attention at all to New England because I couldn't get any less of a damn about them.

[ryby6969]

He is a WR, there are not many of them that are not diva's, lol.

[SmoothPancakes]

He is a WR, there are not many of them that are not diva's, lol.

Touche. :D

[JeffHCross]

When I traded Chad Johnson from the Bengals in Head Coach 09, I received a positive reaction from my locker room.

Just sayin'.

[steelerfan]

When I traded Chad Johnson from the Bengals in Head Coach 09, I received a positive reaction from my locker room.

Just sayin'.

:D

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[steelerfan]

NFL Game Rewind from nfl.com will feature Coaches Film this year. I may have to get this.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=7&ttp=3

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[ram29jackson]

NFL Game Rewind from nfl.com will feature Coaches Film this year. I may have to get this.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=7&ttp=3

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looks nice/cool

something like this can only be offered online ?

[JeffHCross]

:DI have to admit, it was a very, very cool moment. Most of the time in that game, if you release a player you'll see either mixed reactions or a generally negative reaction, no matter if the player is new to the team or not. When I took over the Bengals my first goal was to get rid of Chad, because I personally don't like him. And I knew he had value in the game. I was never expecting such a positive reaction from the in-game team. It was very amusing.

[IBI]

NFL Game Rewind from nfl.com will feature Coaches Film this year. I may have to get this.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=7&ttp=3

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Looks like I'm going to be $70 poorer this season.

[morsdraconis]

NFL Game Rewind from nfl.com will feature Coaches Film this year. I may have to get this.

https://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/secure/packages?ttv=7&ttp=3

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That's definitely damn cool. May have to invest in that since I don't plan on getting television when I move.

[NatureBoy]

Is the NFL Network worth an extra ten bucks on my cable bill? I have been thinking about getting it since the NFL season is getting closer.

[JeffHCross]

I like the NFL Network a ton during the offseason, but during the year I don't watch it that often. Not sure I'd consider it alone worth ten bucks though.

[souljahbill]

Is the NFL Network worth an extra ten bucks on my cable bill? I have been thinking about getting it since the NFL season is getting closer.

I hardly ever watch it.

[ram29jackson]

Is the NFL Network worth an extra ten bucks on my cable bill? I have been thinking about getting it since the NFL season is getting closer.

10$ ..I dont know.. I have it on mine as part of basic. I'm entertained by it and during the season you get all the highlights you can handle and alot of the NFL films super bowl documentary's.

During the early part of week in season they replay a couple of the better games that week.

...then theres he repetative studio shows junk LOL..and they do televise a few season games you wont see elsewhere.

I would say pay for the NFL seasom package instead if you can afford it.

[morsdraconis]

Nah, it's not. I wouldn't do it.

[Rudy]

Once Training camp begins the NFL-N is going to have a new morning show. I'm interested in seeing how that will be. Of course, once the kids wake up it will be back to Kick Buttowski and Phineas and Ferb while I eat my cereal and get ready for work. $10? That's steep.

I'm surprised the Browns put in a 2nd round pick for the Baylor WR. The kid hasn't played in two years and is a headcase. This reeks of a desperation move by the front office. I think everyone's jobs are on the line if the Browns don't improve significantly.
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[jaymo76]

10$ ..I dont know.. I have it on mine as part of basic. I'm entertained by it and during the season you get all the highlights you can handle and alot of the NFL films super bowl documentary's.

During the early part of week in season they replay a couple of the better games that week.

...then theres he repetative studio shows junk LOL..and they do televise a few season games you wont see elsewhere.

I would say pay for the NFL seasom package instead if you can afford it.

I lost nfl network a few months back as it was removed from my digital cable package. I recently bought it back for $2.95. I like the channel but no way is it worth $10.00!!!

[JBHuskers]

The main attraction is they will have a game every week now.

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[NatureBoy]

I thought ten bucks was a little steep but that's what my cable company (Charter) is asking for it. I may just get it once the season starts and drop it after the Super Bowl next year.

[JBHuskers]

I thought ten bucks was a little steep but that's what my cable company (Charter) is asking for it. I may just get it once the season starts and drop it after the Super Bowl next year.

Just that channel? Or what else is included?

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[NatureBoy]

Just that channel? Or what else is included?

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2 It's just the NFL Network and the NFL Red Zone channel.

[JBHuskers]

It's just the NFL Network and the NFL Red Zone channel.

I would do it just during the season than drop it with Red Zone included.

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[skipwondah33]

Not sure any channel is worth that much honestly. Hell the Playboy channel or whatever is charges $14 lol

[JBHuskers]

Not sure any channel is worth that much honestly. Hell the Playboy channel or whatever is charges $14 lol

....yet YouPorn is free ;)

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[NatureBoy]

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm going to think about it a little more before I pull the trigger...

[skipwondah33]

....yet YouPorn is free ;)

Well it cost how much ever your internet costs technically haha, though since it can be used for a million different things that cost isn't so bad.

Since I have the NFL channel already in my package I can't say if it's not worth it or not. Maybe if I didn't have it, I tend to watch it more during the season.

Oh and Sunday Ticket is all kinds of awesome

[morsdraconis]

Man, NFL Redzone might be worth it. That shit is crazy addictive.

[JBHuskers]

:D listening to ESPN Radio at work today and Mort was talking to SVP then all of a sudden, well guys I gotta go. Some breaking news just came down. Not sure if it is Drew Brees related or not.

[JBHuskers]

Yup. 5 years $100M. $40M in year one, cumlulates to $60M by year three. Weird kind of contract but basically he's the NFL's first $20M man.

[jaymo76]

:D listening to ESPN Radio at work today and Mort was talking to SVP then all of a sudden, well guys I gotta go. Some breaking news just came down. Not sure if it is Drew Brees related or not.

Wow! 100 million for playing sports...

[skipwondah33]

Wow! 100 million for playing sports...Picked the wrong career...fucking computers :glare:

Then again their is Mark Zuckerberg.....fucking Facebook

[JBHuskers]

Not bad for an "undersized" QB.

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[morsdraconis]

He deserves EVERY PENNY OF IT. What that dude has done for New Orleans the city as well as that football franchise is immeasurable.

[JBHuskers]

He deserves EVERY PENNY OF IT. What that dude has done for New Orleans the city as well as that football franchise is immeasurable.

:+1: the Saints' higher ups about fucked up more than the franchise already is.

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[skipwondah33]

Not bad for an "undersized" QB. With a thought to have destroyed shoulder years back. Not bad at all.

I still remember the first time I watched a game of his while at Purdue. They ran the sickest fake, reverse or whatever it was I've ever seen. He hit the ball on his leg and casually stood there...then heaved the ball some 40-50 yards. The pass was incomplete but it completely fooled everyone for a good 3-4 seconds...maybe even more.

I'll try to find that play. Ever since I tried to watch him while in college.

[JBHuskers]

Not surprising for a guy who works his ass off...

Polamalu admits he has lied about concussions... (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8177905/troy-polamalu-pittsburgh-steelers-admits-lied-concussions)

[jaymo76]

Not surprising for a guy who works his ass off...

Polamalu admits he has lied about concussions... (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8177905/troy-polamalu-pittsburgh-steelers-admits-lied-concussions)

You have to think that most pro football players have had at least one, whether they know it or not. The speed and contact of the game are just insane now.

[steelerfan]

The number of NFL players who have been arrested in the last 10 days is staggering.

The number of thugs on the Lions' roster is making Cincinnati look good.

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[jaymo76]

The number of NFL players who have been arrested in the last 10 days is staggering.

The number of thugs on the Lions' roster is making Cincinnati look good.

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I'm disappointed in my Raiders. In the past you could always depend on 5-10 off season arrests. Lol.

[SmoothPancakes]

You have to think that most pro football players have had at least one, whether they know it or not. The speed and contact of the game are just insane now.

Hell, when I played back in high school, there were multiple times I never told the trainers or coaches about headaches or other issues. There was at least one or two times that I am almost damn certain I had a concussion, never told a soul. I wasn't about to even risk being pulled out of practice or a game for a week or more because of a concussion, and this was only regular old high school football. So players lying about or never telling anyone about concussions in the NFL, I'd bet probably every single NFL player has done it at least once.

[JeffHCross]

Well, and today, with as much attention as concussions are getting you probably can't claim ignorance -- but five, ten years ago, who knew what a concussion was, and what all the symptoms were? I went headfirst into a concrete wall, and blacked out for a moment. Looking back: pretty sure that was a concussion. But I wasn't checked out because other than my bell being run, I was okay.

Concussions are a major problem, but like most things, we've cranked it to 11 and have probably not given much thought to why.

[Rudy]

I think the Dolphins have a chance to surprise some people this year (ie 8-9 wins and maybe sneak into the playoffs) IF David Garrard has a good year. I've always felt he was underrated as a QB and the early reports are good. Chad Johnson looks like he has something left in the tank. I had my doubts but I think he will probably contribute this year. He certainly won't be an all-pro but it looks like he's not completely useless like last year. Maybe 40+ catches. The WR corp still scares me and the right side of the OL is a question mark but I think they will be more like the second half team last year than the 0-7 losers at the beginning. I'd like another pass rusher outside of Wake to emerge. He's the only threat on their team. The switch to the 4-3 may help as a lot of the 3-4 DEs they had were natural 4-3 DTs.

[skipwondah33]

Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin extended 3-years through 2016

http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Steelers-Sign-Mike-Tomlin-to-Contract-Extension/4643c7f4-4644-4226-b2f0-ba56978551c6?module=HP11_breaking_news

Definitely love this move.

[steelerfan]

:+1: skip.

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[SmoothPancakes]

Adam Schefter
Panthers C Ryan Kalil took an ad out in today's Observer saying the Panthers will win this season's Super Bowl.

Rofl.

[SmoothPancakes]

Rofl.

http://i766.photobucket.com/albums/xx305/SmoothPancakes/375750_476852092327802_1289238439_n.jpg

[jaymo76]

Well, you have to appreciate his passion, however misguided it is.

[SmoothPancakes]

Well, you have to appreciate his passion, however misguided it is.

Yep. Every player, regardless of team should think that and should believe that. But you DON'T take out a full page ad in the newspaper saying you WILL win the Super Bowl THAT year.

[JBHuskers]

Yep. Every player, regardless of team should think that and should believe that. But you DON'T take out a full page ad in the newspaper saying you WILL win the Super Bowl THAT year.

Especially in a division with the Saints, Falcons, and Bucs. All that could be comparitively better than Carolina.

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[morsdraconis]

Yep. Every player, regardless of team should think that and should believe that. But you DON'T take out a full page ad in the newspaper saying you WILL win the Super Bowl THAT year.

I gotta respect him for having the balls, even as stupid as he will look when they aren't even sniffing the playoffs.

As a fan of the Redskins and watching them bumble through ~20 years of mediocrity, having a player write something as eloquent as what he wrote with as much passion as it contains would make me think good things are happening on my football team.

[jaymo76]

Especially in a division with the Saints, Falcons, and Bucs. All that could be comparitively better than Carolina.

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I don't know about that. On paper the NFC South is a strong division but the Bucs are unproven, who knows what will happen with the Saints after all the bounty scandal, and the Falcons have an uncanny ability for blowing their opportunities. If Newton can repeat what he did last year they will be an interesting story. Now do I think they will make the playoffs or win the SB... no. But never say never.

[JBHuskers]

I don't know about that. On paper the NFC South is a strong division but the Bucs are unproven, who knows what will happen with the Saints after all the bounty scandal, and the Falcons have an uncanny ability for blowing their opportunities. If Newton can repeat what he did last year they will be an interesting story. Now do I think they will make the playoffs or win the SB... no. But never say never.

You can look at it the other way too. Tampa Bay is only two years removed from a double-digit win season, New Orleans still has Drew Brees, and Atlanta is due.

[skipwondah33]

Atlanta is due as far as Matt Ryan can take them...which so far has been to 1st round exits of the playoffs.

Tampa can't seem to get it right and I don't expect they will this season with a 1st year head coach.

New Orleans..though they still have Drew Brees and a bevy of talent on the field...kind of hard to replace both the HC and Vitt (forgot what position he held believe OC) at the same time. Not to mention the other suspensions.

[Rudy]

Atlanta is due as far as Matt Ryan can take them...which so far has been to 1st round exits of the playoffs.

Tampa can't seem to get it right and I don't expect they will this season with a 1st year head coach.

New Orleans..though they still have Drew Brees and a bevy of talent on the field...kind of hard to replace both the HC and Vitt (forgot what position he held believe OC) at the same time. Not to mention the other suspensions.

I totally agree about Matt Ryan. Matty Ice is not an appropriate nickname for him. He has to step up if Atlanta is expected to get further.

As for Brees, there was a great article on NFL.com that talked about how the OC in New Orleans took on a lot of responsibility when Payton got hurt last year and has worked with Brees since 2002. He didn't think the offense would suffer at all.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82acc1f2/article/new-orleans-saints-offense-will-be-fine-without-sean-payton

[ryby6969]

Steeler's slap Wallace in the face by signing Antonio Brown to a huge deal! 5 years 42.5 million.

[skipwondah33]

Steeler's slap Wallace in the face by signing Antonio Brown to a huge deal! 5 years 42.5 million.

He showed up ready for work on time

[ryby6969]

He showed up ready for work on time

I know, and I am sure it has been in the works for quite a while. The timing is just funny.(unless you are Mike Wallace :D)

[steelerfan]

There's still plenty of cap space for Wallace. He just has to sign his tender and show up. Until then, no negotiations. Emmanuel Sanders and Keenan Lewis both said they expect that to happen next week. We'll see.

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[morsdraconis]

More lowballing from the Steeler front office. Give a dude that doesn't deserve it the money all the while you piss off the dude who has been the best WR since Hines Ward on the team. :smh:

[steelerfan]

More lowballing from the Steeler front office. Give a dude that doesn't deserve it the money all the while you piss off the dude who has been the best WR since Hines Ward on the team. :smh:

Boy, that's way off, mors. Brown is a more complete receiver. Runs better routes, catches the ball all over the field, has much better hands, and is the first player in league history to have 1k receiving and 1k returning in a season.

The Steelers haven't lowballed anyone. The just don't negotiate with holdouts. You may think it's dumb, but they are the winningest franchise in the Super Bowl era, as well as the winningest since Free Agency began. They know what they're doing, and it works.

Wallace will get signed, if and when he reports for camp. The need him too. They will lock him up long term, unless he's a moron.

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[skipwondah33]

Boy, that's way off, mors. Brown is a more complete receiver. Runs better routes, catches the ball all over the field, has much better hands, and is the first player in league history to have 1k receiving and 1k returning in a season.

The Steelers haven't lowballed anyone. The just don't negotiate with holdouts. You may think it's dumb, but they are the winningest franchise in the Super Bowl era, as well as the winningest since Free Agency began. They know what they're doing, and it works.

Wallace will get signed, if and when he reports for camp. The need him too. They will lock him up long term, unless he's a moron.

+1

They usually don't negotiate once the season starts either.

And Brown is the better complete WR. Wallace's production tailed off near the end a bit. But Brown's did not. He goes over the middle down field and has a great set of hands. I remember Coach Tomlin raving about him last off season saying how much work he put in and he expected him to have a great year. He did, showed up to work on time, didn't complain and got his deal.

Wallace should know this is the Steelers MO. He will get his deal but it won't be by the way he is handling it now.

[SmoothPancakes]

So, looks like the Brownie bitches are about to be owned by a Steelers fan. Too fucking funny.

[steelerfan]

+1

They usually don't negotiate once the season starts either.

And Brown is the better complete WR. Wallace's production tailed off near the end a bit. But Brown's did not. He goes over the middle down field and has a great set of hands. I remember Coach Tomlin raving about him last off season saying how much work he put in and he expected him to have a great year. He did, showed up to work on time, didn't complain and got his deal.

Wallace should know this is the Steelers MO. He will get his deal but it won't be by the way he is handling it now.

Actually, the Steelers DO NOT negotiate once the season starts (not just "usually").

I'm more than certain that Wallace and Bus Cook know how the Steelers operate. From here, Wallace will just show up when he feels he's missed enough camp, or he'll show up in Week 11 to get his accrued season so he can be a UFA next year.

From what his teammates are saying, he'll be in camp soon. We'll see.

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[psusnoop]

He showed up ready for work on time

Agreed!

[psusnoop]

Skip well said. Wallace needs to strap on the pads and get his ass to camp. He is only hurting himself right now in the long term.

[skipwondah33]

Skip well said. Wallace needs to strap on the pads and get his ass to camp. He is only hurting himself right now in the long term.

Yep like Coach Tomlin said..."it's unfortunate for himself"

[morsdraconis]

And that's utterly ridiculous and BAD operation standards in my opinion. The dude has one chance to get paid before he's hit the time where it's all downhill and he wants to get as much money as his play deserves. If the Steelers don't give him Top 5 WR pay, I can GUARANTEE you some other team will because he most definitely deserves it.

[steelerfan]

And that's utterly ridiculous and BAD operation standards in my opinion. The dude has one chance to get paid before he's hit the time where it's all downhill and he wants to get as much money as his play deserves. If the Steelers don't give him Top 5 WR pay, I can GUARANTEE you some other team will because he most definitely deserves it.

Every team in the league had a shot at him during the RFA period for the price of a first rounder. A few of the teams needing a WR had 2 number ones and alot of cap room. No one gave him a sniff.

Your GUARANTEES are almost ALWAYS wrong, lol. The Steelers know what they're doing.

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[steelerfan]

Is the NFL Network worth an extra ten bucks on my cable bill?

No. :D

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/07/thank-you-warren-sapp-for-discrediting-yourself-yet-again/

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[skipwondah33]

I'm a Steelers fan. Love Mike Wallace. But he is not a top 5 WR IMO. He's lost it if he thinks he can or will get Fitzgerald money.

Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Greg Jennings
You could add (Bowe, Austin, etc)

In no order and I'm probably forgetting someone but Wallace isn't there yet.

[morsdraconis]

Every team in the league had a shot at him during the RFA period for the price of a first rounder. A few of the teams needing a WR had 2 number ones and alot of cap room. No one gave him a sniff.

Your GUARANTEES are almost ALWAYS wrong, lol. The Steelers know what they're doing.

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It wasn't one first rounder, it was TWO first rounders. NO WR is worth that much.


I'm a Steelers fan. Love Mike Wallace. But he is not a top 5 WR IMO. He's lost it if he thinks he can or will get Fitzgerald money.

Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson
Andre Johnson
Greg Jennings
You could add (Bowe, Austin, etc)

In no order and I'm probably forgetting someone but Wallace isn't there yet.

Greg Jennings isn't Top 5 and neither is Austin or Bowe. You're nuts if you'd take either three of those over Wallace.

[psusnoop]

Hey I'm a steelers fan through and through and Wallace IMO isn't as good as brown just saying.

There is no way he is worth the kind of money he is demanding. The steelers can use that kind of money in other areas down the road.

As Skip mentioned or someone else he simply fell off the map towards the end of the season once Brown came into his own.

[skipwondah33]

Greg Jennings isn't Top 5 and neither is Austin or Bowe. You're nuts if you'd take either three of those over Wallace.Wallace knows one route really. Go deep. That's a great route to know and have but as we said Brown goes over the middle, deep, short you name it

Greg Jennings is a better WR than Wallace IMO. Or a more complete WR, however you want to put it. Bowe lacks speed but yet he always finds the endzone. That isn't all because of his QB because let's face it Cassel is nothing to right home about..but again his route running gets him open and into the endzone. Austin still a better all around WR than Wallace. Once he can run multiple routes well as he runs deep than he'll be that Top 5 WR but right now he isn't and he won't get that type of money.

[skipwondah33]

As Skip mentioned or someone else he simply fell off the map towards the end of the season once Brown came into his own.Yep I said he fell of towards the end of the season. But him early and have help over the top. He's not out jumping anyone like Moss use to do. He's not going to over powering anyone either.

Brown's emergence wasn't an accident. He runs more routes than Wallace. He was one of if not Ben's favorite target and the receptor of many of Ben's big 3rd down throws.

[steelerfan]

It wasn't one first rounder, it was TWO first rounders. NO WR is worth that much.

Wrong again. 2 first rounders would have been if the Steelers Franchised him. They didn't. They tendered him at the highest RFA level for which the cost is ONE first rounder.

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/04/420-day-the-day-kevin-colbert-wins-restricted-free-agent-chicken-fight-with-mike-wallace/

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[Rudy]

I do think it's important to note that Wallace is not a holdout. He's simply unsigned. A holdout is when a player under contract refuses to show up. I know everybody likes to use that term but I personally find it unfair when it takes two sides to get a contract signed. The team may be holding out on Wallace. The Steelers have never been known to hand out big money to their people willingly. I know that is often a smart and prudent thing in the world of the NFL but it can often lead to problems like this. Especially when one blown out knee in a violent sport can dramatically affect your next contract.

I personally felt that when Ronnie Brown and Jason Allen "held out" after being drafted my Miami it was almost entirely the Dolphins fault for unreasonable contract demands. The Dolphins were the true holdouts in those situations as they simply refused to pay Brown the money a #2 draft pick got back then. I know the money was stupid but that was the system. Pay it. They also demanded Jason Allen accept a 6 year deal despite the fact the two DBs drafted right in front of him only signed 5 year deals. They weren't even fighting over money on the first five years of the contract but the Dolphins wanted to get him cheap for a 6th year and told his agent they didn't care if the guys signing around him signed five years. They would force him to do what they wanted. Both guys showed up to camp at least three weeks late and then Wayne Huizenga had the balls to bash the process and demand his next first rounder sign before training camp or get no contract. How about you look in the mirror instead?

NFL teams usually hold most of the leverage in contract talks. This is one situation with Wallace where he has a little leverage and as usual the fans jump all over the player and demand he sign for whatever the Steelers are offering. It's not that simple.

[steelerfan]

You're right, he's not "holding out". But, you're a little misguided in saying that he has the leverage.

His choices are: not play and still be a RFA next offseason; play for the $2.7M tender; sign the tender in Week 11 (to get an accrued season) and only get paid 6/16ths of $2.7M. In any of those scenarios, the Steelers could Tag him next year (though they wouldn't). The team has all the control.

I still believe he'll be signed long term. If not, at least the Steelers won't strap themselves to a stupid contract. They let Burress walk in his prime (and won the Super Bowl the next year). They also traded Holmes in his prime (and beat his Jets in the AFC Championship Game the next year). The Steelers do it the right way and that is why they are able to sustain success.

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[skipwondah33]

I was going to post the same about Burress and Holmes.

Ward however did stay

[Rudy]

I understand why the Steelers don't want to commit huge money. I'm just saying it's not fair for most fans to blame Wallace for not being there. If DeSean Jackson can get a new contract at $9.4 mil a year and Vincent Jackson gets $11 mil a year, I think Wallace is better than both of those guys and should get at least as much. I don't know what Pit has offered but it has be over $10 mil a year if they want to keep him.

[steelerfan]

I understand why the Steelers don't want to commit huge money. I'm just saying it's not fair for most fans to blame Wallace for not being there. If DeSean Jackson can get a new contract at $9.4 mil a year and Vincent Jackson gets $11 mil a year, I think Wallace is better than both of those guys and should get at least as much. I don't know what Pit has offered but it has be over $10 mil a year if they want to keep him.

Per year figures and contract totals are far less important than structure and guarantees, but I know what you are trying to say.

Let me explain Wallace's situation. He is a fantastic player, a game changer. He is worth a great deal of money. The problem for him is that he is either 1a or 1b (1b IMO) at the deepest position on the roster. The Steelers have Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery. He is a luxury to have and he makes the Steelers offense that much more difficult to defend.

However, they'd be fine without him. They're not in a bind, like many other teams would be, because of great depth at the position. Eventually, Wallace will sign his tender and things will move forward. There's no reason for Pittsburgh to send the message to every other player on the roster that they have changed their own rules on how, when, and who they deal with.

This gives you a little idea of how contract totals can be deceiving:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/07/mike-wallace-contracts-the-steelers-you/

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[Rudy]

Let me explain Wallace's situation. He is a fantastic player, a game changer. He is worth a great deal of money. The problem for him is that he is either 1a or 1b (1b IMO) at the deepest position on the roster. The Steelers have Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery. He is a luxury to have and he makes the Steelers offense that much more difficult to defend.

However, they'd be fine without him. They're not in a bind, like many other teams would be, because of great depth at the position.

That's sort of the worst case scenario for getting a contract done. A great young player who would get a ton of money on the open market being stuck on a team that doesn't need him as much and doesn't plan on paying him crazy FA money either. It will be interesting to see how long this drags out.

[skipwondah33]

Per year figures and contract totals are far less important than structure and guarantees, but I know what you are trying to say.

Let me explain Wallace's situation. He is a fantastic player, a game changer. He is worth a great deal of money. The problem for him is that he is either 1a or 1b (1b IMO) at the deepest position on the roster. The Steelers have Brown, Sanders, and Cotchery. He is a luxury to have and he makes the Steelers offense that much more difficult to defend.

However, they'd be fine without him. They're not in a bind, like many other teams would be, because of great depth at the position. Eventually, Wallace will sign his tender and things will move forward. There's no reason for Pittsburgh to send the message to every other player on the roster that they have changed their own rules on how, when, and who they deal with.

This gives you a little idea of how contract totals can be deceiving:

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2012/07/mike-wallace-contracts-the-steelers-you/
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[IBI]

So, looks like the Brownie bitches are about to be owned by a Steelers fan. Too fucking funny.
The Steelers have owned us since we came back as an expansion team...might as well make it official.

[steelerfan]

The Steelers have owned us since we came back as an expansion team...might as well make it official.

:D

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[SmoothPancakes]

Jerry Jones is itching for some glory holes!

http://thedallascowboyshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jerrygloryholeringtone-july29.mp3

http://thedallascowboyshow.com/?p=3005

http://deadspin.com/5929949/jerry-jones-i-want-me-some-glory-hole

[steelerfan]

:D :smh: :D

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[souljahbill]

Can Wallace put the team on his back, doe?
#GregJennings

[psuexv]

I think the 1a/1b comment was a good one. A lot of people on here not giving Wallace enough credit. When he busted onto the scene he ran one route. However last year he started to run other routes and was pretty successful the first half of the year.

Now people say he tailed off 2nd half and while this is true, what really was the cause. Personally I think it was z combination of things. Defenses became aware of him doing more than going deep and started paying a lot of attention to him. This also allowed Brown to emerge and Ben obviously started going to him. Not taking anything away from him but I think Wallace drawing all of the attention allowed him to be a threat.

One thing I completely don't agree with is we would be fine without Wallace. I don't think either of them can carry a team and without Meandenhall we definitely need them both.

Desean and Vincent got overpaid but I do think you need to give Wallace $10mil or as :sf: said structure it right.

[steelerfan]

They'd be fine without Wallace, Eric.

Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Miller, Saunders, Rainey. The cupboard would not be bare.

Are the Steelers better with Wallace? Of course! But would they fall apart without him? No. It's not like Cleveland, or something, where there aren't any targets.

I'm excited to see how the line comes together and how Redman carries the load while Mendenhall is out. I think the run game will be improved this year. Having DeCastro and Colon (please stay healthy) at guard will be a big lift.

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[psuexv]

They'd be fine without Wallace, Eric.

Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Miller, Saunders, Rainey. The cupboard would not be bare.

Are the Steelers better with Wallace? Of course! But would they fall apart without him? No. It's not like Cleveland, or something, where there aren't any targets.

I'm excited to see how the line comes together and how Redman carries the load while Mendenhall is out. I think the run game will be improved this year. Having DeCastro and Colon (please stay healthy) at guard will be a big lift.

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Well we will just have to agree to disagree here. Do I think they would be good awful without Wallace, no. But I think they would miss him a lot. Yes we have a lot of depth at WR, but have a bunch of #3 WRs on your team doesn't make a great receiving crew. Like I said, they need both Wallace and Brown to be great and neither can carry a team by themselves, IMO.

Now the running game is going to be interesting. I'm not sure if Redman can carry the load the whole season, but hopefully they get creative with the other backs. I think the line is definitely going in the right direction and in 2 years could be lights out. Let's not forget to add a (please stay healthy) to Pouncey.

[steelerfan]

a bunch of #3 WRs on your team doesn't make a great receiving crew.

You're going to be surprised to see how well Sanders plays this year.

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