Powerhouse OD - General Discussion Thread

[Oneback]

I finally finished my play call sheet for the Stanford playbook. 8.5x14 front and back, entirely full. Just in time to probably change playbooks for next year with Devin Gardner at the helm.

[texacotea]

I may be doing things wrong but I have never thought about using a playcall sheet. I usually just call what looks good to me on the screen at times.

[Oneback]

I may be doing things wrong but I have never thought about using a playcall sheet. I usually just call what looks good to me on the screen at times.

I've been doing that so far this year but I end up going back to the well to many times on a few plays.

[psuexv]

Does anyone use Firefox as there browser? If so are you having issues in the Stories seeing all of the highlights/videos? It just started a couple of days ago but I can't scroll if there are more than 4 highlights.

[Kingpin32]

Here's the early Bowl projections for everyone:

Las Vegas Bowl: :Oklahoma: vs. :BYU:
Champs Sports Bowl: :Notre_Dame: vs. :Clemson:
Brut Sun Bowl: :USC: vs. :Georgia_Tech:
Chick-fil-A Bowl: :Georgia: vs. :Miami:
Outback Bowl: :Auburn: vs. :Ohio_State:
Capital One Bowl: :LSU: vs. :Penn_State:
Rose Bowl: :Florida_State: vs. :TCU:
Alamo Bowl: :Washington: vs. :Texas_Tech:
Orange Bowl: :Virginia_Tech: vs. :Wisconsin:
BCS National Championship: :Texas: vs. :Michigan:

[fsuprime]

would love to play in the rose bowl, i wonder if fsu/vt will really both go to a bcs bowl though

[skipwondah33]

Highly unlikely, although I don't think either of us should fall far but the pollsters have been doing us dirty this year

[fsuprime]

it should be interesting, i doubt either of us get blown out barring crazy cpu momentum cheese like super fumbling.

[skipwondah33]

If I come out and play like I did early last game, it may get ugly lol

[Papa LoneStar]

I wish we could have a playoff....man....I miss NCAA Football 2000

[psuexv]

Off season schedule - Hey guys, wanted to throw this out that there being the new person to see how you handle the offseason. Do you try to get it done all at once, are there time limits for having stages complete...etc? Also wasn't sure how it would be handled with the 20 minute between advances in the offseason.

[Oneback]

Off season schedule - Hey guys, wanted to throw this out that there being the new person to see how you handle the offseason. Do you try to get it done all at once, are there time limits for having stages complete...etc? Also wasn't sure how it would be handled with the 20 minute between advances in the offseason.

In the past we have all set a date and time to be online together and pretty much just blow through the off season.

[Oneback]

I wish we could have a playoff....man....I miss NCAA Football 2000

But the regular season is the playoff :)

[Oneback]

BCS National Championship: :Texas: vs. :Michigan:

Looks good, the team with the least amount of talent of the user controlled teams and they could possibly (Ohio State step aside, let us live the dream) end up in the National Championship.

[psusnoop]

Looks good, the team with the least amount of talent of the user controlled teams and they could possibly (Ohio State step aside, let us live the dream) end up in the National Championship.

I was sitting here at work enjoying breakfast till you made me puke in my bag of doritos. :P

[Oneback]

I was sitting here at work enjoying breakfast till you made me puke in my bag of doritos. :P

Glad I could be of assistance.

[psusnoop]

I've got a little vested interest in your game yet with Jeff but I'm not sure if it is handled correctly.

Do you know if say you lost to Jeff, does the game give all 3 of us with 1 Big 10 loss a share of the Big 10 Championship? If so it could be interesting to see which 2 (probably you and Wisky) get the BCS games.

[skipwondah33]

Still don't understand how you weren't ranked, then passed me like I was standing in glue in the same place :D

I still don't think whoever wins the ACC CG will have a shot at the #2 spot if you win

[Oneback]

I have wins over #10 Penn State (10-1) and #7 Wisconsin (#2 at the time, 9-1) and also have a 31-3 win over a 9-2 Northern Illinois team, whereas you have wins over #12 Boise State (8-2) and #21 Miami (8-3) and no other opponents over 7 wins.

IF I win this week I will have a win over #25 Ohio State (9-2) as well.

[skipwondah33]

Boise was #4 at the time I beat them and would likely be a 1-loss team if I didn't hurt their 96-rated star QB for 12 weeks.

You were in front of me before the Wisconsin game as well. If that Northern Illinois game mean't a higher ranking I'd be pissed lol, they may not even be in their own conference's title game haha.

Atleast we haven't fell lower than what we started in at the beginning of the year at #6.

[Oneback]

I am pretty sure the Penn State win combined with the Northern Illinois game put me over the top as you had only beaten Boise State who was sliding at that time.

[skipwondah33]

I am pretty sure the Penn State win combined with the Northern Illinois game put me over the top as you had only beaten Boise State who was sliding at that time.

Sliding when I beat them or when you beat Northern Illinois?

[Papa LoneStar]

I have a feeling that the ACC champ could make a move if they win in a blowout

[Oneback]

Sliding when I beat them or when you beat Northern Illinois?

After the Penn State game (wk 9) I had wins over Michigan State (5-4), Iowa (4-4), Northern Illinois (7-2), Notre Dame (5-4), Penn State (8-1, ranked).

You had wins over Boise State (6-2), Boston College (4-4) and Central Michigan (6-3).

I had wins over four teams that had a winning record and one with a .500 record (one of which was ranked) and you had wins over 2 teams with winning records and one that was .500.

This is based on the current teams that have winning or .500 records, I didn't check every team that we've played.

[skipwondah33]

Blaine Gibbert deserves the Heisman but he won't win it

The guy has thrown for 44 TD's with only 6 interceptions while throwing 68.5% a game.

In another news we need to prep for the HUGE ACC title game while everyone else has a break until the bowl season starts

[Kingpin32]

Blaine Gibbert deserves the Heisman but he won't win it

The guy has thrown for 44 TD's with only 6 interceptions while throwing 68.5% a game.

He'll have his chance next year if he stays.

[JeffHCross]

Meh ... I don't even have recruiting to do ... I have absolutely nothing to do until the bowl game, lol.

[skipwondah33]

He'll have his chance next year if he stays.

Shame the game doesn't go off the "best" numbers, I don't think someone with 22 interceptions would ever win the Heisman.

[Kingpin32]

Shame the game doesn't go off the "best" numbers, I don't think someone with 22 interceptions would ever win the Heisman.

I wouldn't think so either, but I think the 6000 yards and 55 TDs might've changed their minds. And hypothetically speaking, maybe they took into consideration Sheffield's game winning drives he's had this year ;)

[JeffHCross]

Nah. He would get shuffled under "system quarterback" and not even considered. Same reason Case Keenum doesn't stand a chance this year.

[skipwondah33]

I wouldn't think so either, but I think the 6000 yards and 55 TDs might've changed their minds. And hypothetically speaking, maybe they took into consideration Sheffield's game winning drives he's had this year ;)

lol still that TD to int ratio is insane and he only finished 11 TD's away from Sheffield despite throwing like 300 less passes haha.

[Papa LoneStar]

I wish I could watch the ACC title game live.

[psuexv]

I wish I could watch the ACC title game live.

That would be great... anyone ever stream a game live.

[Oneback]

I have done it a few times before however it is a major bandwidth hog.

I don't really like to as it give a lot of insight into how you call a game. I can't give away all my secrets. :)

[skipwondah33]

Yeah you need a pretty solid connection to do that. I'd say upwards of atleast 10-15 mb dl and probably 5-6 mb up.

I definitely know my connection can't do it lol

[fsuprime]

skip whats your schedule look like for the acc cg? i can play tonight (most likely) and maybe tomorrow night.

[skipwondah33]

May be able to play tonight, it would be later on though most likely after 10 est. I have some family visiting this weekend so hopefully we can play tonight

[fsuprime]

thats perfect..more like 11 for me

[fsuprime]

nm can start whenever u can

[Oneback]

I thought they removed the 20 minute wait for advancing weeks...I've got to wait 20 minutes in the "End of Season" screen.

[fsuprime]

they only removed it for post season :/ so u gotta skip end of season screen in the future lol, EA and their dirty tricks ;/

[psuexv]

Yeah it's a bit ridiculous as there isn't even anything that needs done in between some of these steps and you have to wait.

[JeffHCross]

Tex, do you want a return match at Da U this year?

[psusnoop]

I think psuexv and I talked about starting home and home series between USC and PSU.

I'd be up for another home and home series if anyone is interested.

[psuexv]

I think psuexv and I talked about starting home and home series between USC and PSU.



Absolutely.... Penn State can even have home this year.

[psusnoop]

I'm not sure you want to be coming into Happy Valley this year, the place will be rocking for sure.

[psuexv]

Setting it up so you're coming to Pasadena for Barkely and Brice Butler's senior year.

[Oneback]

I may be looking to add one user game to my OOC if anyone is interested.

[psuexv]

I'd be willing to man up and take on the Wolverines. I would like to keep ND on my schedule since it's a big rival.

[psusnoop]

Setting it up so you're coming to Pasadena for Barkely and Brice Butler's senior year.

LOL, they'll leave early seeing how they can make a few more million then they are by staying at USC.

[Oneback]

Man, that sure is a Senior laden team you've got there.

[psusnoop]

Mine or Exv's, I just checked and I didn't realize I have 17 SR's next year BOO

[psuexv]

I think both of us. I lose 18 seniors.

[psusnoop]

Hmm that is really going to make next year quite interesting on the recruiting trails. Should be fun to see how that plays out.

[Oneback]

From looking at it we all seem to have a lot of seniors on the team.

[psuexv]

I will say that this incoming class that I have should help out well (#1 overall class with I think 13 top 150). That and a lot of my skill positions are underclassmen.

[Oneback]

Yeah, thats been my problem this year. Despite ending the year at #4 and having a 6-star team I haven't really been able to land a lot of recruits. I am hopeful next season will be a lot different as there will be a lot of needs.

[Oneback]

Look for more videos this upcoming season. I'll have my Hauppage HD PVR tomorrow and just finished installing Sony Vegas Pro 9. Powerhouse in HD!

[psuexv]

The Hauppage is awesome!

[Oneback]

The Hauppage is awesome!

I got it mainly for the football season and archiving games...but there is the added benefit of recording Powerhouse games as well.

[fsuprime]

looks pretty sweet, does it save in a format that is easy to use? could i play the files through my ps3 which is linked to the pc hard drive?

[Oneback]

looks pretty sweet, does it save in a format that is easy to use? could i play the files through my ps3 which is linked to the pc hard drive?

Thats a good question, gschwendt may be able to answer that question. He's had his for about a year now.

[fsuprime]

i mean it would be easy just to run an hdmi cable from my computer to the big screen and skip the ps3 media player option all together, but i like the integration and 'remote control' i get with the ps3 since the controller is with me on the couch.

either way i think this is on my wish list now, ive been wanting to record football games/tv shows on my own for a long time

[gschwendt]

looks pretty sweet, does it save in a format that is easy to use? could i play the files through my ps3 which is linked to the pc hard drive?
Yes and no. It's in a format that is easy to use with Sony products (hence Sony Vegas editing software) and would work well if you put the files straight onto the PS3, however it's not very friendly with most other products. For example, you couldn't play it with Windows Media Player (hence not easily able to share it to your PS3 via network). The format (h264) is starting to used more but it's far from a common one at this point.

[fsuprime]

ahh, when you buy this thing, does it come with the media player to play it so that i could run HDMI cable back to the TV from the PC to watch it then/?

[skipwondah33]

I believe you can use K-lite to play the files with its media player and even make it possible for Windows Media player to play them. I could be wrong but I was sure that K-lite was able to handle the extension.

[skipwondah33]

I've been slacking but here is the 2nd quarter of my game with Tex. I use the HAVA unit and its not all that bad


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMGW0PS1xp0

[Escobar]

Use VLC Media Player to play any type of media files. Also if you download TVersity, it works as a streaming software for the PS3 so you would be able to stream the Sony file to the PS3 over your network.

[gschwendt]

ahh, when you buy this thing, does it come with the media player to play it so that i could run HDMI cable back to the TV from the PC to watch it then/?
Yeah, it comes with included software.

Use VLC Media Player to play any type of media files. Also if you download TVersity, it works as a streaming software for the PS3 so you would be able to stream the Sony file to the PS3 over your network.
I also use VLC and it does play the captured files. Not sure about TVersity as the handful of times I tried to use it I didn't like it.

[Oneback]

I meant to record our game in the Rose Bowl but after all the problems we were having I forgot to start it.

[Oneback]

g,

What are your pvr capture settings? Are you using Vegas as well to edit?

[gschwendt]

g,

What are your pvr capture settings? Are you using Vegas as well to edit?
I think I have mine set at VBR 8mbps capturing in M2TS format (M2TS, TS, or MP4, they're all using h264). Yeah, I'm using Vegas to edit... no other software that I've messed with is able to natively support editing h264.

[Escobar]

Not sure about TVersity as the handful of times I tried to use it I didn't like it.

I also use a program called mkv2vob, which transcodes the mkv files to vob files which play on the PS3 and stream well on TVersity.

[texacotea]

Man Skip I think if I would have scored after that INT it would have been a diff game. But it was a good one

[skipwondah33]

Yeah man I honestly felt when I was down 17-3 after that int-TD that I was going to get blown out. Then when I threw that other int I just knew u would score again. I watched that 2nd quarter over at work and thought how the hell did I win that game. Definitely was a great game man. I'll try to get the rest up

[JeffHCross]

FSU, fyi, the HDMI output on the PS3 has built-in copy protection that can't be worked around. So HDMI can't be used for any kind of capture ... not sure if you could use it with Windows Media Center type stuff though (like Video-in on your computer).

[fsuprime]

hmmm, so how do u capture the games??

im about to just direct connect my pc to the tv anyways since the new video card i have has hdmi out dual monitor support, i assume i can capture HD stuff from my cable box easily enough.

[JeffHCross]

I believe everyone that captures uses component output. Or maybe video out from their TV, if possible.

[fsuprime]

ps3 only has hdmi output which u can convert to component i thought?

[JeffHCross]

PS3s have the same additional output that PS2s had, for composite or component.

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-Component-AV-Cable/dp/B000MIXFWA

[fsuprime]

ahhhh, i did not know that one could do HD through component...neat, right now its occupied by my headset but i can always tinker with it.

[JeffHCross]

Wait ... headset? You? What?

[gschwendt]

ahhhh, i did not know that one could do HD through component...neat, right now its occupied by my headset but i can always tinker with it.


Wait ... headset? You? What?
I think he's confusing the USB ports on the front with the video output port on the back.

[fsuprime]

haha yea i got it cause my buddy loved mw2 and we played alot over the last year.

nah my headset uses the usb port and the regular output from the ps3, its a fancy one with the nice headphone speakers

[JeffHCross]

Oh, I figured ... but he's also the one that refused to get a headset so he didn't have to explain to his wife that he wasn't talking to himself ;)

nah my headset uses the usb port and the regular output from the ps3, its a fancy one,Did you get the Turtle Beach like mine, or just something similar?

You can still use it if you get the official component cables ... it took a little doing to switch on my part, but I got it eventually.

[JeffHCross]

I acknowledge and realize that Ohio State in 1995/96 pulled in some ready-to-start recruits that I didn't (widely considered the #1 class in 1996). But looking at my depth chart ... I have no freaking clue how they got to the Rose Bowl in 1996. So many holes.

Didn't do myself any favors by screwing up Shawn Springs (Sr instead of Soph) and LeShun Daniels (Sr instead of Jr). Gave myself two more holes that I didn't need.

[JeffHCross]

Let's play a game called "Guess the Score" ... simmed result from an offline dynasty.

|USC|@OSU
First Downs|25|10
Total Offense|439|207
3rd Downs|9-19 (47%)|2-17 (11%)
Red Zone|2-1-0 (50%)|0-0-0 (n/a)
Turnovers|5|2
Punts|5 (50 avg)|10 (45 avg)

Guess the final score.

[fsuprime]

23-21 tosu

[Oneback]

Happauge HD PVR Render Test - Youtube HD



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrT6ZRmO_ws

[fsuprime]

wow looks real nice, did u use hdmi out or component out'/?

[Oneback]

Component in/out and optical audio.

[JeffHCross]

wow looks real nice, did u use hdmi out or component out'/?You can't use HDMI out ;)

Oneback, I posted over on Utop, but I'll say it here too ... I think that looks better in your test vid than on my TV.

[JeffHCross]

Gah, I wish I could go back in time in this offline dynasty and look at who the CPU was recruiting. QB ends up having like 93 THA as a Junior ... sets every Ohio State record possible by the time he graduates.

[JeffHCross]

Man, oh, man. Ohio State just got a new recruit in that same dynasty (year after the previous superstar left). True Freshmen, 84 OVR ... 85 SPD, 86 ACC, 89 AGI, 87 THP, 89 THA.

The things you could do with that.

[fsuprime]

kingpin!!!!!!!!!!!

[fsuprime]

also apparently dionte allen who left fsu 2 weeks ago is going to enroll at ohio st. He will have 1 to play 1, is ohio st that bad off at the CB position?

[JeffHCross]

No, no we're not. We have three Sr DBs that are graduating this year, so he'll be able to compete for a spot, I suppose. But we've got a lot of youth behind them.

[fsuprime]

fucki, picking 7th in my fantasy draft in 14 minutes, not sure how i will attack this.

[fsuprime]

1. Michael Turner
72. Shonn Greene
183. Philip Rivers
314. Ronnie Brown
425. Pierre Garcon
556. Terrell Owens
667. Carson Palmer
798. Visanthe Shiancoe
909. Braylon Edwards
1031. Jabar Gaffney
1141. Leon Washington
1271. New England Patriots
1381. Greg Olsen
1511. Sammie Stroughter
1621. Graham Gano

[Oneback]

Not bad.

[JeffHCross]

23-21 tosuYou had the score differential right, FSU ...

9-7, Ohio State.

[JeffHCross]

Hey Oneback ... since Stickyfingers Shaw dropped that pass against me last season ... check something out for me.

Go to him on the DC and look at his CTH rating. Now put him in one of the WR positions and look at his CTH rating.

[JeffHCross]

Snoop, do you remember the name of the ATH that was high on both of us last year, but we couldn't figure out what he'd be? I'd love to find him and see what he ended up being rated, and at what position.

[Oneback]

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this picture:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/265/capturexl.png

[JeffHCross]

:D Yeah, it's got some problems ...

[texacotea]

Wisconsin won????

Is Landry Jones not @ OU?

[Oneback]

Wisconsin won????

Is Landry Jones not @ OU?

Yeah that is supposed to be the stats for my game against Eastern Michigan....it shows the Wisconsin game in the box score and the Oklahoma game in the stats section.

[fsuprime]

OT:

everything im hearing from my friend who is a big time seahawks fan up in seattle says that earl thomas is the real deal and breaking on balls from angles that should not be possible for anyone but his speed is amazing, was the guy that good at UT? I mean he was a 1st round draft pick but it seems like maybe he was so good at UT that other teams just avoided him.

jeff can tosu please beat miami in real life, i really think a loss there will set the wheels in motion for them to lose 3 of their first 5 :)

[Oneback]

Yes Earl Thomas is that good....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrjr5HG_ck

[skipwondah33]

I still don't understand what he was doing on that Crabtree last second TD...I believe that was him

[Oneback]

I still don't understand what he was doing on that Crabtree last second TD...I believe that was him

Not sure about that one. I've only watched that play once.

[Papa LoneStar]

He "assumed" he stepped out of bounds as Curtis Brown was all over him....I always think about Muschamp's reaction whenever I see that play.

During his sophomore year (last season)....he had about 8-9 picks from the safety spot....and could easily play corner if needed.

[skipwondah33]

I would have thought he'd have been over top help in that situtation.... instead he looked as if he was just sort out there on that play. Figured he assumed he ran out of bounds

[JeffHCross]

jeff can tosu please beat miami in real life, i really think a loss there will set the wheels in motion for them to lose 3 of their first 5 :)Realistically, we should beat them. Too many weapons on our side for them to counter, especially in Columbus.

[fsuprime]

yea im hoping your DL is good enough to harass jackery into a few picks and maybe even hurt him seriously :)

[ryby6969]

yea im hoping your DL is good enough to harass jackery into a few picks and maybe even hurt him seriously :)

You need to bite your damn tongue!

[Papa LoneStar]

Man....I just noticed that my Pac-10 conference schedule DID NOT rotate home/away locations. I SHOULD be playin' USC in Austin and Texas Tech in Lubbock....but it's the opposite. #6 toughest place with a user behind 'em this season :-/ ....also I just realized that Austin is #1....maybe that's why Bama shit the bed after they got up 10-0 early.

[psuexv]

Yeah it doesn't look like mine did either. I know I played at Oregon State and UCLA last year and I'm there again. Pretty sure I played ID in Norman as well and we're there again.

[Escobar]

I think it's because this year may be the year your schedules rotate to new teams, so next year they will switch home and away. My conference schedule has some different teams in it.

[psuexv]

I also wonder if it has anything to do with the Pac10 being a custom conference with different teams. I've never done custom conferences before so unsure how it's worked in past versions.

[Papa LoneStar]

I doubt that....but you never know. Basically we just inherited the schedule of the team we were switched with.

[JeffHCross]

yea im hoping your DL is good enoughGood enough? We have one of the best D-Lines in the country!

[psuexv]

Getting a little bit ahead of myself, but in case we get to week 4 this weekend, Kingpin what's your schedule look like. Saturday is probably out for me as the Nittany Lions opener will be a long day of tailgating, might be able to do late Saturday night.

[Oneback]

For some reason I don't see a lot of games being played Saturday...

[JeffHCross]

Yeah, not a freaking chance.

[skipwondah33]

Whats going on Saturday?

I have my Madden draft..thats about it

[fsuprime]

first day of college football skip :0

luckily fsu has their patsy scheduled for 12 noon so i can sit at home the rest of the day and watch the few good games that are on :)

[JeffHCross]

first day of college football skip :0Weren't you the one talking last night about not taking people seriously? ;)

[fsuprime]

your rubbing off on me i guess :)

[Papa LoneStar]

lol....I vote for a FSU-OSU OOC game next season

[fsuprime]

im gonna wait till his roster is full of 3*s!

jk, i had a pac 10 game this year so a big 10 game is def. on the radar for next year

[JeffHCross]

Actually, Papa, I was thinking you and I should start a series. We haven't played each other enough the last two years (meaning NCAA 10 and 11).

[skipwondah33]

Weren't you the one talking last night about not taking people seriously? ;)

lol

I really do have my Madden draft in the afternoon haha

[fsuprime]

i thought u didnt do online franchises?

[Oneback]

im gonna wait till his roster is full of 3*s!

jk, i had a pac 10 game this year so a big 10 game is def. on the radar for next year

Michigan welcomes all takers.

[Papa LoneStar]

Actually, Papa, I was thinking you and I should start a series. We haven't played each other enough the last two years (meaning NCAA 10 and 11).

Yea....I tried to avoid user OOC games this year due to not being as flexible with my weekday schedule as the previous years. I got lucky with the 3 user games I had last season. I played OU and Texas Tech back-to-back in the same night (on a Friday 11pm-2am)....and played Florida State in the national title game on an early Saturday afternoon. My 3:30pm-4:30pm and 11:30pm central weekday KICKOFF windows aren't the best for user/user action. I just didn't want to put anybody else through that inconvenience besides the 3 conference user games that I have. I even dropped out of my other OD due to all of us being in the same conference and my last 5 games were user games in 6 season weeks....had trouble scheduling my 1st one and just decided to drop out. All of these OOC games yall are scheduling has made me a little jealous though....lol.

[fsuprime]

if i win the lotto i will create a trust fund that makes sure none of our members have to work a second job :)

[Papa LoneStar]

lol....just pay for my family's health insurance and expenses and I wouldn't need the trust fund....lol

[skipwondah33]

i thought u didnt do online franchises?

Oh I don't. Its a standard League Daddy league. The premier league in the community has 20 teams in it and the draft is held this Saturday. I hold the rights to the Chargers since I made the playoffs with them the previous season, but I still like to be around for the fun. Its get pretty wild, people exchaning cash for teams and draft spots. We're pretty serious, I've tried to get my Steelers every year but this other guy always gets them because he shells out a few bucks lol.

[Kingpin32]

if i win the lotto i will create a trust fund that makes sure none of our members have to work a second job :)

I'll use my share to pay my loans off lol.

[JeffHCross]

Papa, I think I speak for all of us that we all understand your situation, and we'd all be willing to wait a few days to accommodate whatever your schedule fits.

[Kingpin32]

Papa, I think I speak for all of us that we all understand your situation, and we'd all be willing to wait a few days to accommodate whatever your schedule fits.

Definitely Papa. If we can handle me and FSU's school schedule, even though he always seems to have free time, we'll definitely wait for you.

[JeffHCross]

FSU does always have free time ;)

[fsuprime]

Oh I don't. Its a standard League Daddy league. The premier league in the community has 20 teams in it and the draft is held this Saturday. I hold the rights to the Chargers since I made the playoffs with them the previous season, but I still like to be around for the fun. Its get pretty wild, people exchaning cash for teams and draft spots. We're pretty serious, I've tried to get my Steelers every year but this other guy always gets them because he shells out a few bucks lol.

ah, I see, thought you meant fantasy draft teams.

[skipwondah33]

Hell no I don't play that crap lol

It did sound like it though

[fsuprime]

nah i mean fantasy draft inside of madden to re-choose your whole team :0

also yes i try to make sure i have lots of free time, m/w suck for course load (11-5pm and then workout or tennis until 7) but i dont have to work thanks to the gi bill and an employed wife so i just peruse yahoo.finance and try to get a feel for that stuff.

[JeffHCross]

Pfft. 11-5pm. That's child's play.

One of my final quarters at OSU I had my classes down to only Tuesday/Thursday. And then I set my work schedule so it was Tuesday-Thursday.

My schedule that quarter was something like this ...
Tuesday/Thursday: start work at 7:30 am. Finish work at Midnight. Have classes in between (for reasons understandable I have forgotten when).
Wednesday: Start work at 7:30 am, work until mid afternoon, or something like that.

That turned out to be one of the worst scheduling ideas I had ever had. I essentially spent all of Friday - Monday catching up to Tuesday/Thursday.

[fsuprime]

ah, i was not saying it was bad, its just the worst part of the week, 16 hour days in germany for 2 months straight getting ready for a big annual inspection with only sundays off was my worst schedule ever :0 thanks navy.

[skipwondah33]

nah i mean fantasy draft inside of madden to re-choose your whole team :0

also yes i try to make sure i have lots of free time, m/w suck for course load (11-5pm and then workout or tennis until 7) but i dont have to work thanks to the gi bill and an employed wife so i just peruse yahoo.finance and try to get a feel for that stuff.

lol I know what you meant...I do play fantasy football, I dont play the other fantasy stuff inside the game.

[JeffHCross]

ah, i was not saying it was bad, its just the worst part of the week,Heh, I knew you weren't really complaining. I just always like talking about how stupid I was taking that schedule.

[Papa LoneStar]

Awwww....*tear*....you guys are too kind. I knew being some open last year and telling my opponent to pick a time would benefit me in the future :-)

Prime....
Boyd: 1117 plus a visit :-)

[fsuprime]

yea i only put 20 minutes into him, just making sure you are using all your time

[Papa LoneStar]

lol....that's cold! Yea....I had to....you're a little too close for comfort. Don't appreciate the move you made on the #4) either....you are getting in the way of my process to replenish my stable of running backs....lol

[psusnoop]

Papa I wouldn't mind scheduling you in the future as well and I for sure have no issues in getting a game in when you are or would be ready.

[Papa LoneStar]

That would definitely be fun, Snoop....2 of my favorite uniforms in college football

[psusnoop]

Lets start that next year on a home home deal.

I enjoy as many user vs user games as possible. I might make all 4 of my ooc games user games next year. I have kingpin32, psuexv, papa, looking for one more for next year if anyone wants to battle.

[fsuprime]

- In Season Progression is back! Players once again have the ability to get a slight boost to their ratings during the season.

yay ;)

[Oneback]

Did you see this in game? Or did you just hear that?

Nevermind, just saw the post.

[fsuprime]

http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?892-Live-Tuning-Pack-3-and-Title-Update-3-will-be-available-on-Tuesday-September-7th educate yourself fool!

i hardly go to the front page either, but i got lucky lol

[Oneback]

I must say, while the game that shipped had some problems I am very happy that 1) they are able to fix issues this year and 2) they seem to be putting a lot of thought into these updates.

While there are a lot of things I would like to see added/fixed I am really enjoying the game.

[fsuprime]

yup, and i like that they are posting data to backup their fixes to dynasty....i still wish they would fix zone d.

[Papa LoneStar]

Thank goodness for in-season progression....I wish it happened last season as I'm sure Chris Whaley would have made a big jump after his performance last season.

[JeffHCross]

yup, and i like that they are posting data to backup their fixes to dynasty....I actually don't like the info. I mean, evidence is always good ... but I feel like they're forcing it. The info doesn't seem as obvious as they want it to be, so they're trying to do a square peg round hole thing.

I am very glad in-season progression is back though. Sorely missed that last year. That might be the only chance we have for our current freshmen to stay on the roster after the changes to recruits.

[Escobar]

Tajh Boyd would have increased alot last year if we had in-season progression, but hopefully he will this year.

[Oneback]

I actually don't like the info. I mean, evidence is always good ... but I feel like they're forcing it. The info doesn't seem as obvious as they want it to be, so they're trying to do a square peg round hole thing.

I am very glad in-season progression is back though. Sorely missed that last year. That might be the only chance we have for our current freshmen to stay on the roster after the changes to recruits.

I've got a freshman runningback that will be on the roster as long as he wants to be.

[JeffHCross]

Well, I guess I'm mainly thinking of the 3-stars. The 4s and 5s came in pretty well.

[JeffHCross]

Lets start that next year on a home home deal.Note how I started the conversation, yet you're the one that gets the home-home.

Just more proof that Papa's afraid to play me.

After the games we've had, it honestly wouldn't surprise me ;)

[psusnoop]

LOL, too funny

[Papa LoneStar]

lol....I'll add you both....I'll be happy to put a stop to the Big 10 dominance and let the country know that the Pac-10 is back!

[Iron Dragon]

If I had to play with the Oklahoma team my next roster update should be bring, Dejuan Miller wouldn't be contending for the Heisman. But Kenny Stills would be a nice freshman weapon at 83 OVR, but he's 80 right now as rFR.

[fsuprime]

and i would have joyner at speed 93 and xavier rhodes and mike harris with normal speed and acceleration :)


jesus: oklahoma fans are jumping off a fucking cliff, i hope we beat em but they will circle the wagons next week

[JeffHCross]

Gah ... I want us to hurry up to Week 5, 'cause I hate the bye week. But I kinda want the game to be put off as long as possible because I have practically everything riding on Week 5 visits.

[psusnoop]

I'm playing my game here vry soon.

[Oneback]

Gah ... I want us to hurry up to Week 5, 'cause I hate the bye week. But I kinda want the game to be put off as long as possible because I have practically everything riding on Week 5 visits.

I am right there with you, I've got 10 recruits coming in next week for the Notre Dame game. And I agree, bye weeks are tough.

[psusnoop]

I've been spreading out my recruits this year. I laid a goose egg with 7 or 8 recruits in for Michigan last year, luckly I was able to rebound and run the table to keep my season respectable or else I could have been in real trouble this year for recruits.

[JeffHCross]

Well, I make sure to bring mine in for CPU games ;) At least that gives me a considerably better chance.

[Oneback]

I never bring guys in for a user game unless I absolutely have to. I can overcome (most of the time) the CPU deciding its time for me to go down, its extremely difficult to do that against another user.

[psusnoop]

LOL very true.

[Papa LoneStar]

I learned my lesson on last year's game....I beat a certain user in this dynasty 58-10 at home....then 31-10 on the road....so with those results....the 3rd year....I got cocky and brought EVERY SINGLE recruit in for that week 7 home game....lost 21-19 and KILLED my recruiting class. A good reason why I will openly politic for Kingpin to take over Oregon next year. Win-win situation....he gets better talent and a better program....and I get another cpu rival :-)

[JeffHCross]

In offline dynasty news, I take an unranked 2011 Florida Gators and hold home court against the #2 ranked Crimson Tide, 17-9. Florida's not my team, I just wanted to see if I could take down Bama. I think I'm more proud of that win than any other I've had this year, except the close victory against Oneback. I held Bama's offense to 226 yards, 2/11 on 3rd and forced 2 FGs in the redzone, both when they had the ball inside the 10.

Good lord I struggled on offense though. I really think the Florida/Tulsa/Auburn/Vanderbilt style of spread offense does not work this year.

[Oneback]

A certian user? I remember Jeffery Lumpkin at the after game party talking smack about that vaunted Alabama defense. I also remember a certian OLB making Tennessee is home afterwards.

Boy do I not miss that Alabama team...I am sure Texas isn't any less daunting, hopefully I will be able to find out soon.

[JeffHCross]

I was thinking about that earlier today. With all the talk about how we weren't going to give Papa another Bama ... what the hell were we thinking giving him Texas? :D

[Oneback]

Very good question, at least now there are a few other 6-star teams to contend with him.

[Kingpin32]

I learned my lesson on last year's game....I beat a certain user in this dynasty 58-10 at home....then 31-10 on the road....so with those results....the 3rd year....I got cocky and brought EVERY SINGLE recruit in for that week 7 home game....lost 21-19 and KILLED my recruiting class. A good reason why I will openly politic for Kingpin to take over Oregon next year. Win-win situation....he gets better talent and a better program....and I get another cpu rival :-)

I actually would be open to taking over Oregon. As much as I love my future Alma Mater, I can't stand my damn defense.

[JeffHCross]

n/m. figured it out.

[Papa LoneStar]

Very good question, at least now there are a few other 6-star teams to contend with him.

*cough*georgialsu*cough*

Actually....the biggest help for me during those first few years was that Tex took his favorite team instead of Florida....a better defense....and I probably would've lost my first user game during the first season.

I will enjoy this year's version MUCH better if I'm able to even get even an inch close to the run I had last year. I felt so dirty after January 2010 hit.

[Papa LoneStar]

Crap....I knew it was gonna happen. Kingpin was on for a good amount earlier....now he's off....and psuexv is online....lol. Nothing worse than waiting to advance TO a bye week. I got plenty of practice today while fighting this cold (got it from my son who got it from my mother-n-law....first time sick since February 2009)....switched playbooks to get ready for some guys that I hope to get signed during this recruiting season.

[Oneback]

*cough*georgialsu*cough*

Actually....the biggest help for me during those first few years was that Tex took his favorite team instead of Florida....a better defense....and I probably would've lost my first user game during the first season.

I will enjoy this year's version MUCH better if I'm able to even get even an inch close to the run I had last year. I felt so dirty after January 2010 hit.

Yes, but now we've got USC, Michigan, Ohio State (I think), Miami, Florida State and maybe Va Tech.

[fsuprime]

stop posting drunk fsuprime!

[JeffHCross]

Yes, but now we've got USC, Michigan, Ohio State (I think), Miami, Florida State and maybe Va Tech.If you're talking 6-star, nope .... 5-star for me. Tried to be realistic to mid-90s OSU. We just weren't quite in that upper echelon.

The worst part of this year's game, to me, is that Texas and USC have ridiculous recruiting advantages. The combination of Pipeline and the love of the players at home puts them over the top. Ohio players are nothing to cough at either, but CA and TX have the advantage for sure.

[Oneback]

EA needs to give us some sort of playbook creator. All I want to do is pick my formations and then put x number of already created plays into said formation. I get so frustrated looking for new playbooks.

[JeffHCross]

agreed. I'm having a real hard time settling on one playbook this year.

[Papa LoneStar]

Me, too....I wish Fluff E Bunny did that playbook search tool this year....never know how great something is until it's gone

[fsuprime]

yea, i wish his optimism for FSUs football team this year would carry over to the video game lol

[JeffHCross]

I wish Fluff E Bunny did that playbook search tool this year....Meh. You can do just about everything you could do in Fluff's tool (in fact, more because of flexibility) with G's playbook spreadsheet.

Check out this statline from my 2011 Ohio State dynasty:
J. Bauserman (subbing for an injured Pryor): 8-8, 185 yards, 5 TDs
D. Posey: 7 rec, 186 yards, 5 TDs

[Papa LoneStar]

I guess I need to play with it....that's how I found Fresno State's playbook....but I was looking for all playbooks with Ace, Ace Twin TE, I-formation (with regular HB slam), a 5-wide shotgun set, and shotgun ace or playbooks with that has at least 4 out of my 5 favorites that way I could go through 'em all and find the one that makes me smile the most.

[fsuprime]

im taking a class in excel next semester, i have never use it ;/

[JeffHCross]

Well, the only thing there that Fluff's search tool would give you is "with HB Slam". However, he was basing that off of VGChartz's file last year, and to say they had some problems would be an understatement.

As for the rest of it ... go here (http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?473-NCAA-Football-11-Playbook-Spreadsheet&p=21640&viewfull=1#post21640). I could probably come up with the exact string you're looking for, but it'll take me some thinking.

[JeffHCross]

Hey Snoop, was the #1 ATH last year Justin Heard? The name sounds right, and his ratings look right on ND's roster ...

80 OVR FB.

[psusnoop]

Hey Snoop, was the #1 ATH last year Justin Heard? The name sounds right, and his ratings look right on ND's roster ...

80 OVR FB.

That would be him and the position is what I thought he might be. I probably should have taken him last year as I need a FB but I was a little worried to say the least. Nice find.

[fsuprime]

apparently 5 wr is unstoppable now with new patch/tuner set, anyone tried it yet?

[Oneback]

I have not, but I am sure I will see it quite a bit when playing Notre Dame tonight.

Please if everyone can get on and play around a little and let me know what you think of all the sliders. From some of the pass defense issues I am going to do some slider tweaking after my game tonight.

[JeffHCross]

apparently 5 wr is unstoppable now with new patch/tuner set, anyone tried it yet?Depends, did you hear that from Rhombic? Because I'm pretty sure he's been claiming that since day 1.

5 WR is always unstoppable on certain routes ... there's no defense in the game that will match up against 5 WRs.

[JeffHCross]

That would be him and the position is what I thought he might be. I probably should have taken him last year as I need a FB but I was a little worried to say the least. Nice find.I didn't even think about FB. He was so low rated in everything they show for ATH, I didn't see anything that he could be.

[fsuprime]

Depends, did you hear that from Rhombic? Because I'm pretty sure he's been claiming that since day 1.

5 WR is always unstoppable on certain routes ... there's no defense in the game that will match up against 5 WRs.

i read it from him, and on this sites forum to, basically man defense has been nerfed back to 2009 lol

[JeffHCross]

( eyeroll )

The only thing I've seen posted about Man Defense was from him. Now, I was playing the CPU, not HUM, and I barely saw any difference in man defense. Considering I was playing a top 10 team, I was expecting a much bigger challenge.

[fsuprime]

yea thats why i was asking here about it, i have not been able to play yet, i have a game vs OU in a different OD so ill know how user v user is tonight or tomorrow

[Kingpin32]

Damn how I go from 11-2, to 0-4....

[Papa LoneStar]

*cough*Oregon*cough*

[Kingpin32]

Well now it's 0-5 thanks to you lol.

[JeffHCross]

For the record, Kingpin, I don't think you can actually get fired in an OD. My job approval has never been out of the red, and was almost 0 last season.

[Kingpin32]

For the record, Kingpin, I don't think you can actually get fired in an OD. My job approval has never been out of the red, and was almost 0 last season.

I was hypothetically speaking, since I'll make a request to take over Oregon at the end of the season. I just wanted to give a back story if it's approved ;)

[fsuprime]

fine with me, their defense is probably worse off (base roster wise) than my auburn D was last year

[JeffHCross]

i read it from him, and on this sites forum to, basically man defense has been nerfed back to 2009 lolBased on what I saw last night, anybody who says man defense is nerfed is clearly on something, or just looking for something to raise an issue about. I'm sure there are certain plays (5 WR in particular) that break it. But man defense itself is doing just fine.

Snoop and I had a play last night where his CB literally led my WR on an out route by about 3 yards ... and, of course, was in perfect position to pick the ball.

The one thing I've noticed the last few weeks is that speed/agility/"fast" players seem to be at a premium on the defensive side. I don't know which rating it is (I would suspect a combination of all three), but there is a pronounced difference in the coverage performance of my Buckeyes and the other teams I'm playing. I would largely attribute this to the ratings, since I probably leaned on the conservative side when creating my team. Plus I know my defenders are slower than most of this year's college players.

[psusnoop]

That highlight was just sick. I swear CB Morris was the one running the route. Everyone should check that out when they get a chance.

I really wanted to post that deep curl route TD but of course I couldn't. GRR.....

[psuexv]

Man I wish I had corners like that. I get beat up on man coverage. I place some of this on the fact that I am starting two Sophomore CBs though.... at least I hope that's it.

[fsuprime]

Based on what I saw last night, anybody who says man defense is nerfed is clearly on something, or just looking for something to raise an issue about. I'm sure there are certain plays (5 WR in particular) that break it. But man defense itself is doing just fine.

Snoop and I had a play last night where his CB literally led my WR on an out route by about 3 yards ... and, of course, was in perfect position to pick the ball.

The one thing I've noticed the last few weeks is that speed/agility/"fast" players seem to be at a premium on the defensive side. I don't know which rating it is (I would suspect a combination of all three), but there is a pronounced difference in the coverage performance of my Buckeyes and the other teams I'm playing. I would largely attribute this to the ratings, since I probably leaned on the conservative side when creating my team. Plus I know my defenders are slower than most of this year's college players.

yea i had my game (fsu @ ou 2010)user v user last night with luvtotha9s newest rosters...OUs DBs were still leading my WRs a good bit and my CBs who are not as good were still in decent position, the game saw 9 interceptions lol (this was also on heisman though, not sure if that affects anything).

[Kingpin32]

Texas DBs were also leading my receivers a lot, but I really noticed it when Papa used the Play the Pass strategy also.

[skipwondah33]

Yeah I can't stand when the DB's know your routes from the snap where they are running it for you

[texacotea]

Hence me making the statement last season that man coverage is garbage. if ran 90% of the time

[fsuprime]

the hard part is how to make people knowingly choose something that is broke beyond repair (zone), do u force them to use it on 1st down? 2nd? 3rd?

as papa stated, he will quit if not allowed to run his man 100% of the time defense, and i would too with the way zone is.

no one was arguing man was not over powered from the start, and still is gimmicky now. there is no good fix for it though.

[Papa LoneStar]

I can see if somebody was using man press coverage and blitzing 99% of the time....that would be kind of lame, IMO. I use cover 2 man about 80% of the time....always sending the defensive line only....cover 2/3/4 about 20 percent of the time just mix it up (even though I'm not comfortable) and not give the user a chance to adjust. I probably blitz 5% of the time between the 20s. Kingpin has thrown for about 500 yards against me for the 2nd game in a row....the only difference between the 2 games (points/turnovers) was the 1st year....he had a senior QB with 95 accuracy and this year he had a redshirt freshman at the #1 toughest place to play. Once Prime got adjusted in the title game last season....he lit my arssss up for 28 points in 2.5 quarters. Somebody is gonna be open (ask Kingpin) unless you are running the same routes the whole game. You just have to find the open man and not rely on running certain routes that are always open against zone coverage. It's not like I use it just because it's "over-powered" this year....I have been using it since NCAA Football 98 with Danny Wuerffel on the cover. I used it last year and had the corners (and recruited 'em) to make it a tough defense to face while everybody else was running zone defenses.

[Papa LoneStar]

As I've ran practice mode a ton against man defenses (since I've dropped the other OD I was in)....I've noticed that it's all about anticipation this year....if you wait a second or two too long....the CBs will make you pay....it could be my QB improving from a sophomore to a junior....but I know doing more anticipating instead of waiting for somebody to clearly beat their man has helped me be more comfortable with the passing game.

[Oneback]

One of the things I have noticed with the latest patch is that the pass rush needs to be upped...while zone coverages and the way zones work in the game are flawed they can still be effective but only when you are able to get a decent pass rush (this is true with any zone coverage however).

EA has decided to stick with the old "spot drop" style of zone coverage, now I am unsure as of right now (haven't done a lot of testing) if the problem is that plays just do not react to offensive threats in their zone or if its a problem with the ratings. Now I will say though the biggest flaw with spot drop zones from pee-wee all the way up into pro is that while the defender is dropping there are windows that open that allow for easy completions (sound familiar) this is why teams have started going to pattern reading which is essentially zone coverage early and man coverage late in the play. Until EA programs pattern reading coverages we are stuck with spot drop zones.

I can't turn up the pass coverage slider as it would make man coverage over powered so the only thing I can do is turn up the pass rush.

With all that being said one of the things I am going to start testing is the effect of ratings in zone coverage...I don't really see a lot of problems with zone coverage on the outside by corners and safties (they've got higher zone coverage ratings), is this because it takes longer for the ball to get into their area and they have more time to react or is it the ratings. The biggest problem with any zone coverage (real life or video game) is the intermediate area now I think we can all agree that it is much worse in the game than it is in real life, but what if the linebackers patrolling the middle also had 80+ zone coverage ratings? Would this improve?

In this game the only coverage that will ever be able to stop a slant is man coverage...the inside defenders are still dropping to their spots when the ball is thrown into the window if thrown on time, I don't think there will ever be a way to fix this with the way zones are programmed now. Man gets completely eaten alive by crossing and mesh routes however, which is where you really need zone coverages.

Another big problem with zone coverage in the game is that defenders do not carry threats outside of their zone when there is no threat of another reciever entering their zone.

I am working on the sliders in my spare time and hope to have something together by this weekend, hopefully I will be able to clean some things up but lets not hold our breath.

[Oneback]

As I've ran practice mode a ton against man defenses (since I've dropped the other OD I was in)....I've noticed that it's all about anticipation this year....if you wait a second or two too long....the CBs will make you pay....it could be my QB improving from a sophomore to a junior....but I know doing more anticipating instead of waiting for somebody to clearly beat their man has helped me be more comfortable with the passing game.

This I agree with, you must throw the ball before the receiver is open not wait until he is open...if you are a second late the ball will get picked or knocked down...doesn't matter if its man or zone.

[texacotea]

I agree, there is no way to police it. but if its used with blitzing then is using it to your adavantage. Im not saying stop it or find a way to controll it, i made statement to maybe shed some light on the situation. IMO I believe that everyone here is straight enough to no aduse this.

[fsuprime]

ill let you all now how much the QB has to do with it when my 70 overall rated freshman tries to pass against miami tomorrow lol, tex which time would be best for you on what i listed?

[Kingpin32]

I can see if somebody was using man press coverage and blitzing 99% of the time....that would be kind of lame, IMO. I use cover 2 man about 80% of the time....always sending the defensive line only....cover 2/3/4 about 20 percent of the time just mix it up (even though I'm not comfortable) and not give the user a chance to adjust. I probably blitz 5% of the time between the 20s. Kingpin has thrown for about 500 yards against me for the 2nd game in a row....the only difference between the 2 games (points/turnovers) was the 1st year....he had a senior QB with 95 accuracy and this year he had a redshirt freshman at the #1 toughest place to play. Once Prime got adjusted in the title game last season....he lit my arssss up for 28 points in 2.5 quarters. Somebody is gonna be open (ask Kingpin) unless you are running the same routes the whole game. You just have to find the open man and not rely on running certain routes that are always open against zone coverage. It's not like I use it just because it's "over-powered" this year....I have been using it since NCAA Football 98 with Danny Wuerffel on the cover. I used it last year and had the corners (and recruited 'em) to make it a tough defense to face while everybody else was running zone defenses.

I agree with this. I think a lot of it had to do with my QB and as far as my corners go, even when I ran Man defense I still got beat. I think a lot of the success of the man coverage has to do with the ratings of the players you have. As far as zone goes, it seems harder to get pressure if you call a zone blitz, but the O Line seems to pick it up perfectly which then gives the QB all the time in the world and less defenders for the pass.

Has anyone messed with the gameplan settings for zone D?

[texacotea]

ill let you all now how much the QB has to do with it when my 70 overall rated freshman tries to pass against miami tomorrow lol, tex which time would be best for you on what i listed?

I will let you know something definite tonight. The wifey went to the doctor and is having contractions and the babys heartrate is lowering while she is comtracting. Right now its in the air it really depends on what transpires in the next couple hours

[fsuprime]

Ah, np man, hope its a minor thing. No rush. My schedule is set for tomorrow

[Oneback]

I elaborated on my zone defense post from above:

http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/showthread.php?925-The-problems-with-EA’s-(Spot-Dropping)-zone-coverage-explained

[JeffHCross]

Has anyone messed with the gameplan settings for zone D?I mess with them a lot. But the central problem with zone has nothing to do with depth, which is all the gameplan affects. The central problem is awareness and positioning. The "spot zone" design decision, as Oneback described it, is the central problem that breaks zone coverage on the hash marks, to the point that it's almost not worth running ever ... on the hash.

The biggest problem I saw last night, and this is probably what has me most concerned about man coverage, is that there is a drastic difference between our CPU sliders and what's used for HUM games in terms of pass defense. Snoop and I were talking during the game, and we've always suspected that sliders were thrown out the window during HUM games. Something in the way the sliders are working this year has made it ridiculously obvious that the sliders are not used. I don't see any (or practically any) of the problems with man coverage when I use our sliders in offline dynasty or CPU games. It's only in user games that it becomes a problem.

And the biggest problem is that there's practically no way to fix it. The only real resolution would be to make our sliders closer to the default. But let's be honest ... there's a reason they're not. The man defense I saw against Snoop last night was simply unplayable for the entire first half.

[psusnoop]

I agree in games against CPU I don't see things happen like they seem to against other users. I'm pretty much completely sold that the sliders have no effect in user vs user games.

[skipwondah33]

The problem with trying to realistic throw against msn coverage gets u in trouble. For example an out pass u would throw before the break, not in this game because the DB runs the route before you, he knows where the ball is going so it's a pick...then if you add the dumb ball trajectory and aggressive coverage usually it's going to be picks.

[JeffHCross]

I had a play today where the TE was running a short out. He wasn't covered pre-snap, so as soon as the ball was snapped I threw to him. Normally this would mean a 4 or 5 yard streak pattern and he catches the ball. As Snoop can attest, I take advantage of things like this often.

Instead, my QB throws about 10 yards downfield and directly at the playside CB. It, thankfully, hits him in the numbers and falls to the turf. I might have to upload that highlight, because that was ridiculous.

[JeffHCross]

This I agree with, you must throw the ball before the receiver is open not wait until he is open...if you are a second late the ball will get picked or knocked down...doesn't matter if its man or zone.skip kind of spoke to this, but I want to elaborate. This is a very good example of the difference between playing the CPU and playing the user. Up until Tuesday (I haven't tried since), I could call a comeback/curl route, let the receiver run it, and if I threw before the break, the CPU CB would be probably 2 or 3 yards downfield while my WR is catching the ball. Pretty much exactly how a curl is supposed to be thrown.

Against a HUM player, that CB is in front of your receiver before he even starts on his own break, and it's a pick. Every. time.

And just to make things more fun ... against the CPU, since the patch, apparently they can make the "sit in the pocket for 5 seconds, have my player sit in a curl route, have the DB in his hip pocket, and still throw the ball with no reaction from the DB" play. I hate that crap.

[gschwendt]

Against a HUM player, that CB is in front of your receiver before he even starts on his own break, and it's a pick. Every. time.
Not entirely true
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T71k9XBXyMc#t=3m27s

[JeffHCross]

Okay, fine ... More. Often. Than. Not. ;)

[psusnoop]

I wish I would have had my upload as well on the man vs man coverage where I hit Kenney on a deep curl for 82yd TD, while it does happen it is not all the time though.

I've almost abandoned the out routes because I can never seem to time it. To me that is the key word, Time it. For me I like that the DB are at times in a better position to make a play on the ball then the WR (this adds realism), now for me there is a fine line too. Are there still routes available for that play (almost certainly there is a dump off I've seen). On an OUT pattern, if you notice the DB is undercutting your WR just dump it off and chalk it up to good coverage. In practice last night I was messing around with this and on the out routes the longer it took me to decide to throw it the more chances the DB had at undercutting my WR (on top of the DB running my route) so I found myself really watching the cut, and if the WR had position at that point I would drill the ball in there and that started to work great. I'm going to see what I find in a game but after practicing that play via playcalling and audibles I actually like that the DB is playing shutdown ball.


**Also I'm going to do this with my Western Kentucky Hilltoppers as well to see if I see the same exact thing or things a little more open because of the talent difference.

[Oneback]

skip kind of spoke to this, but I want to elaborate. This is a very good example of the difference between playing the CPU and playing the user. Up until Tuesday (I haven't tried since), I could call a comeback/curl route, let the receiver run it, and if I threw before the break, the CPU CB would be probably 2 or 3 yards downfield while my WR is catching the ball. Pretty much exactly how a curl is supposed to be thrown.

Against a HUM player, that CB is in front of your receiver before he even starts on his own break, and it's a pick. Every. time.

And just to make things more fun ... against the CPU, since the patch, apparently they can make the "sit in the pocket for 5 seconds, have my player sit in a curl route, have the DB in his hip pocket, and still throw the ball with no reaction from the DB" play. I hate that crap.

While I certianly acknowledge that there are plenty of times where the CB runs the route for you I challenge you to go load up Boise State and run patterns with their WR's or with Notre Dame throwing to Michael Floyd. The Boise State receivers especially have high route running ratings and make cuts in routes unrealistically fast and will always be ahead of the DB. What I have noticed with my recievers (top three are 90 OVR) is that some times they will make their cuts at a normal speed and be ahead of the DB and other times (not as often) they will make super human cuts which completely throw off the timing of the pass, yes they will be WIDE open but because of how fast they make their cut and the difference in timing its usually an imcompletion.

It all comes down to the WR/TE's route running ability and the DB's coverage ability, a high route running ability will typically beat high man coverage ability though but the DB will at least be near and be able to make a play on the ball. The higher the route running ability the more predictable the route will be run.

[psusnoop]

Just to add to that, in the game against Jeff my DB that was jumping things is a 92 OVR #12 Stephon Morris. He also has a 97 Man coverage rating which is huge and another reason he was so tough to pass to his side of the field.

[JeffHCross]

While I certianly acknowledge that there are plenty of times where the CB runs the route for you I challenge you to go load up Boise State and run patterns with their WR's or with Notre Dame throwing to Michael Floyd. The Boise State receivers especially have high route running ratings and make cuts in routes unrealistically fast and will always be ahead of the DB.Oh, that's absolutely true. I played one game against Boise State (pre patch #2, pre any tuners), and got absolutely shredded by their WRs. I couldn't cover them at all, even with Alabama's DBs.

And Snoop, I know he was good. It wasn't just your game that I've seen stuff like this though.

What I'm fundamentally saying is that if I play Miami controlled by the CPU, with our sliders, and then I play Tex, even if they're both running man coverage, the reaction time of the DBs to the ball is different. Significantly different. One allows for the a curl to be doable. The other makes it nigh impossible. At least from what I've seen.

[skipwondah33]

It all comes down to the WR/TE's route running ability and the DB's coverage ability, a high route running ability will typically beat high man coverage ability though but the DB will at least be near and be able to make a play on the ball. The higher the route running ability the more predictable the route will be run.

Speed seems to matter more than all of those things. You could take a bunch of CB's with speed and acceleration in the upper 90's and play lock down man D regardless of what their man coverage ratings are in this game. Either that or like I said the ball trajectory seems to be heavily CPU favored.

[Oneback]

Speed seems to matter more than all of those things. You could take a bunch of CB's with speed and acceleration in the upper 90's and play lock down man D regardless of what their man coverage ratings are in this game. Either that or like I said the ball trajectory seems to be heavily CPU favored.

I don't know, I've got Demar Dorsey who's a RS Fr playing the slot corner right now. He's got 96 speed, 94 agility, 91 acceleration and 88 man coverage/76 zone and because his man coverage rating isn't in the 90's I still have problems with him in coverage. His awareness is low (43), I still contend awareness plays a role.

I'm sure that once his man coverage rating goes over 90 (what I consider the tipping point with all the ratings) he will be a lock down man corner.

But yes athletic skill does play a part.

[fsuprime]

he should be at a juco, iron dragon missed the boat on that one ;0 was announced before the game came out lol.

[Oneback]

he should be at a juco, iron dragon missed the boat on that one ;0 was announced before the game came out lol.

I'll take him...need all the help I can get right on the back end of my defense.

[skipwondah33]

Fellas, at seasons end I will be retiring from the dynasty. The combination of me not playing this game much and having a little one is cutting into my gaming.

I would like to finish the season, that is the least I can do for OB and you guys. I won't set the next user up for failure in case they take VT, I will recruit the best players available.

[psusnoop]

Sorry to hear that Skip, but I wish you the best with the little one they are the best!

[fsuprime]

hate to see u go skip, but totally understand with the new commitment you now have!

[JeffHCross]

Same here Skip ... sorry to see you go, but I understand. Hope to see you hanging around the forums though.