To restart or not to restart?

[Coach Kernzy]

K guys we've waiting long enough for EA.
The way I see it we have 4 options.

1. Wait for EA to figure it out and we continue with what we've got.
2. Restart with the 10 owners we have. (almost positive the freezing has to do with new owners coming in or old ones leaving)
3. Restart with the 10 owners we have and then if EA does fix the issue we can either continue the old one or the new one.
4. Scrap this altogether and retry again with a new OD when EA has confirmed they've fixed the issues and we maybe open up the teams a little bit to allow certain 2* teams or something so guys can choose different teams.

So you guys chime in and let me know what you want to do.

[Archedemius]

I'd be willing to give it a restart. I'd also like to clean up the forum a little bit, and maybe sticky all of the rules, and our own coaching stories. Maybe a few other things? I really want to do this and am going nuts over here!

[SmoothPancakes]

I still say wait it out. As I said in the other thread, I'm getting tired of restarting over and over, I don't want to have to play North Texas and Louisville a 4th time (once in my single player OD, once in my offline dynasty, twice in here), recruitng, at least for the first half of the season, is long and tedious enough already. I really don't want to keep having to go through the hassle of filling out my recruiting board and then spending forever going through recruiting the entire group in the first couple weeks.

Obviously, if everyone else wants to restart, there's nothing I can do about it and have to just deal with, but as long as this matter is undecided via vote, I vote keep waiting.

As for your suggestion Archedemius, I disagree about going and sticky all the coaching stories and stuff. Those are extras. The only threads that should be stickied are the important ones, the ones that are already stickied. Rules, owner list/waiting list, and user vs. user scheduling. Everything else is substantionally less important than those threads and don't need to be stickied. Plus, the more stickied threads there are, the harder it is to find or get to the non-stickied threads, because you have to scroll past a bunch of stickied threads.

[SmoothPancakes]

Also, another reason why I don't think we should restart and should just wait it out, is due to what gschwendt said in the NCAA General Discussion forum.


Unfortunately we haven't heard anything since this morning. You're obviously welcome to start from scratch but as steelerfan suggested, what's to say your next OD doesn't run into the same issue.

As he says, what's to say we won't have the same problems in a new OD? Also, in response to your initial post Coach Kernzy, when you said "(almost positive the freezing has to do with new owners coming in or old ones leaving)", in my opinion, it doesn't. Because the MAC to Big Ten OD, which consists of only JBHuskers, steelerfan, psusnoop, and psuexv, with no one having left or entered at any point during the history of their dynasty, they got stuck as well during the offseason at the end of season 1.

So it's not just from people leaving or entering at some point during the season. It's an issue that as far as I can tell, is a problem on EA's servers, that is hit and miss for each and every OD. Some ODs may not ever run into the problem, while others like ours and some of the other ODs here on TGT, have.

[Coach Kernzy]

Alright we'll see what others have to say.
I'm fine with just waiting but I know others aren't but I guess if folks want to move on they can and I would certainly understand.

[Archedemius]

Sometimes I speak before I think. You are right though on the stickies.

[Archedemius]

I am already starting up a fresh one with another group, but keep in mind, this one will always be my main one. So if we decide not to restart and a few people get the itch, there may be some spots over there. They are working on a new forum at the moment, the last forum we got was a suck.

[Underdog]

I vote for a restart. No offense smoothpancakes but just because you do not want to replay games against those same teams should not hold us up from a restart. Just pic another team. I have a feeling that this is a issue that will not be resolved by EA anytime soon. Basically it boils down to this......Everyone waits so long that the interest in the league dies and everyone goes their own way. That would be a shame.
Besides, Its not like we were fully invested in the dynasty at this point. We were only in wee 3 of the first season.

[Archedemius]

Well stated Underdog. It seems like we have a pretty legit group here. I don't like having to restart at all, but this was the only reason I bought the game. This aspect is my favorite by far. I just want to be doing it.

[Archedemius]

I also don't care if we were doing it with only four people. The social/coach aspects are what I want.

[SmoothPancakes]

I vote for a restart. No offense smoothpancakes but just because you do not want to replay games against those same teams should not hold us up from a restart. Just pic another team. I have a feeling that this is a issue that will not be resolved by EA anytime soon. Basically it boils down to this......Everyone waits so long that the interest in the league dies and everyone goes their own way. That would be a shame.
Besides, Its not like we were fully invested in the dynasty at this point. We were only in wee 3 of the first season.

No offense taken, but as to your last sentence, what's to say that we restart and get to week 3 again, only to have it f' up again? As gschwendt and steelerfan suggested, restarting isn't going to magically make this issue never come up again. Hell, we could very well end up hitting the issue again in only week 1 for all we know. Then what? Restart all over again? For me, it's not so much the replaying the same teams over and over (I'm playing as FIU in this no matter what, I'm not changing now), it's doing the same crap over and over and over, preseason, week 1, week 2, week 3, etc recruiting, which recruiting for the first half of the season is just repetitive and tedious and really gets old and boring incredibly fast. And replaying the same games over and over.

Right now, I'm still in this for the long haul, but if we restarted, and ran into this issue again, and everyone decided to restart yet another time, after the 2nd or 3rd restart due to this issue, I'd be ready to just drop out just because doing the same crap over and over in the first 2-3 weeks of the season is going to get so boring and repetitive and old, that I'm going to eventually just stop caring like I care now.

[Archedemius]

I'm sure we all would, but not doing it at all sucks worse for me. Who knows, maybe we get lucky this time! There are a bunch of dynasties running around in multiple seasons.

[SmoothPancakes]

Well, if we do restart, even if it's just one time, I'm tempted to just say hell with it and let the CPU completely do all of my recruiting. Even in my offline dynasty, recruiting is just becoming nothing but a time wasting pain in the ass. I have absolutely no care or desire to completely start over again in recruiting in here. So if we do restart, I think I'm tossing on the CPU stuff and letting it do my recruiting for me.

[Archedemius]

:-/

[AustinWolv]

but just because you do not want to replay games against those same teams should not hold us up from a restart.
I think you were also missing that some of us can't sit around all the time and replay user games either, which is a point that I know I made and I think Smooth mentioned it also.

If we restart, fine. Knock an user game off the schedule then, as trying to schedule times to meet online to play is easier for some than others.

[steelerfan]

2. Restart with the 10 owners we have. (almost positive the freezing has to do with new owners coming in or old ones leaving)

What happens with this OD is none of my business, but what makes you so sure of this?

My OD started with 4 users. We got through CC following year 1 and got stuck. No new users were ever added and no users left the dynasty either. I also seem to recall seeing single-user ODs getting stuck.

[SmoothPancakes]

Ok, I think I narrowed down where the issue is. It's freezing every time when trying to download the Game Quarter Scores data for either North Texas or Tulane (I'm thinking it's for Tulane but I can't tell 100% certain). It freezes on that exact same spot every time.

[Archedemius]

For our dynasty?

[Archedemius]

I have heard people fixing other glitches by making sure all of their players are properly uploading all their data to the servers. If this is ours, It may explain why I always see jmiles as not finished with his week. He has no green circle when I get on.

[SmoothPancakes]

For our dynasty?

Yeah, Coach Kernzy transferred Commish to me so I could try a method that someone in the NCAA General Discussion forum had suggested. That was when I saw exactly where it was freezing at. The method I tried failed and I've transferred Commish back to Coach K, though we do have another potential method to try.

Since the issue is with Tulane, the suggested method is kicking the Tulane owner out of the dynasty for this week, so we can try advancing the OD past that point, and then reinviting the owner back into the OD once/if we get to week 4. The only question there is, will the owner be able to take over Tulane again without a problem or will this same issue keep coming up? If it keeps coming up regarding the dynasty advance being hung up while trying to download Tulane info, whoever is owner of Tulane, they would have to go with a new team as their team for this season.

[Archedemius]

I know it's on EA's side, but they keep saying the data is getting corrupted. Jmiles could have corrupted data on the OD. I bet you are right on this. It explains other OD situations people were having, and it could explain why Tulane shows up on my OD as not being completed and ready to move to next week. It hasn't worked for a lot of people, but it has for some. Then they get frozen again later on down the road and can't get it fixed, but I do think you have it.

[Archedemius]

By properly uploading, they need to be doing exactly what you just did to find this. They have to pay close attention to the loading percentages.

[Archedemius]

People were saying that they were uploading, but their games were either not uploading at all, or they weren't uploading completely. When they didn't upload at all, they look at the next week and their game was auto-simmed instead of played. When it doesn't upload completely the game locks up.

[Archedemius]

http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/content.php?501-NCAA-Football-12-Game-Update-2-Details

Up to a month to wait?

[JBHuskers]

http://www.thegamingtailgate.com/forums/content.php?501-NCAA-Football-12-Game-Update-2-Details

Up to a month to wait?

Not necesarily. This can possibly be fixed w/o a patch because these are server-side issues.

[Archedemius]

Smooth was right. Of course, booting everyone made sure it worked.