Custom Playbook "zero play" Bug Discussion

[Dr Death]

I must be in the 1% then...

Yeah... but you are Smooth Pancakes... w/ a name that cool the game just doesn't have the heart to screw you! :D :D :D

[SmoothPancakes]

Yeah... but you are Smooth Pancakes... w/ a name that cool the game just doesn't have the heart to screw you! :D :D :D

Very true! :D :D :D

Although, I will correct myself, there has been one bug that I have experienced, that I forgot about. In Dynasty (when playing as a Coodinator) and Road to Glory modes, after the opening and second half kickoffs, and randomly at times now and then throughout the game, there's a bug that you'll get stuck in the Super Sim screen, even though your player (in RTG mode) or your squad (offensive or defense in Dynasty mode) are on the field and you should have full, on the field control to select the plays and control the players. Instead, you remain stuck in the Super Sim screen for that (and sometimes even the next) series.

Only way to counteract that and avoid getting stuck in the Super Sim screen is to select the option to watch the kickoffs and watch the next play by your offense or defense if you get stuck in SS while in the middle of a quarter.

So besides the game freezing on me once on release day, and that Super Sim bug, those are the only issues I have experienced with this game. So you may be right, it may be the game doesn't have the heart to screw me thanks to my name. :D

[oweb26]

How does it make me look bad when practically everyone is having this issue? I'll say the same thing someone at OS said about people complaining... if it weren't for community feedback, where would the game be???

Now as for me, personally, when I drop $60.00 on something, I expect it to work, particularly when we've been told, for months, how great this new "feature" is. I don't care if it's a game or a part for my car... $60.00 bucks is $60.00 bucks. I have been trying to post all the issues that I've seen and dealt with to HELP EA get this fixed, as the folks here have requested.

Sorry if it offends you.

No I am very far from offended no internet conversation can offend me that makes be look bad! ha ha ha.......

I agree that without community feedback the game wouldnt be too much, I'll let you determine the key word in the sentence. Its not complaining over and over again or even attacking community members because they didn't catch it (not aimed at you just saying). There is really no need to repeat your disdain or even question how they didn't catch it in the first place; shit happens move on. You have said your peace now let's focus on the problem not all the other stuff that's all I am saying homie. :)

[ram29jackson]

Yeah... but you are Smooth Pancakes... w/ a name that cool the game just doesn't have the heart to screw you! :D :D :D


Very true! :D :D :D

Although, I will correct myself, there has been one bug that I have experienced, that I forgot about. In Dynasty (when playing as a Coodinator) and Road to Glory modes, after the opening and second half kickoffs, and randomly at times now and then throughout the game, there's a bug that you'll get stuck in the Super Sim screen, even though your player (in RTG mode) or your squad (offensive or defense in Dynasty mode) are on the field and you should have full, on the field control to select the plays and control the players. Instead, you remain stuck in the Super Sim screen for that (and sometimes even the next) series.

Only way to counteract that and avoid getting stuck in the Super Sim screen is to select the option to watch the kickoffs and watch the next play by your offense or defense if you get stuck in SS while in the middle of a quarter.

So besides the game freezing on me once on release day, and that Super Sim bug, those are the only issues I have experienced with this game. So you may be right, it may be the game doesn't have the heart to screw me thanks to my name. :D

something tells me,..computer bits/pieces dont really like syrup :smh::D

[Dr Death]

No I am very far from offended no internet conversation can offend me that makes be look bad! ha ha ha.......

I agree that without community feedback the game wouldnt be too much, I'll let you determine the key word in the sentence. Its not complaining over and over again or even attacking community members because they didn't catch it (not aimed at you just saying). There is really no need to repeat your disdain or even question how they didn't catch it in the first place; shit happens move on. You have said your peace now let's focus on the problem not all the other stuff that's all I am saying homie. :)

I just want to emphasize that I have not said, nor felt/thought/believed one negative thing about or to the community members here. I have the utmost respect for them and as far as I know, I get along quite well w/ all of them.

That said, I understand your point... it's just a letdown to look forward to something like CPB's and have this happen. I have my perfect... for me... CPB just waiting on ice so when they get this fixed I will be much happier! :nod:

[jwallace0317]

I've monitored this thread from day one, and what's interesting that is every "I did this and had no problem" post is usually contradicted at some point later by someone else. I myself have had custom pb's that worked fine every single time in practice mode and games vs. the CPU but in online ranked games they shit the bed. Bottom line, none of us know for sure what is the precise programming error that is causing custom playbooks to flake out. If you're reading this now and want to try creating a custom playbook for the first time, here are some ground rules that minimize (but will not eliminate) the chances of experiencing an error:

1. More plays in your book is better than fewer.
2. Delete as few of the "original" formations in the base book as possible, and particularly try not to eliminate the formations that contain the default master audibles.
3. Add as few new formations as possible.

Ultimately, we can all theorize as much as we want, but the theorizing game will be changed the second EA issues a patch on this, and then I'm sure we'll experience different errors that will require a whole new batch of theorizing.

Good times! lol

[Unconquered]

Someone said "I am getting tired of being a beta tester for EA..."

Seriously. I think this has been three of four years in a row now where there's been some killer bug in the game on launch day. The game launches every July, but it usually sits on the shelf till August or September while I'm waiting for vital features to be patched.

And I don't see how the dev team failed to catch this bug. I've seen it in every single custom playbook (20+ now) I've created. Grrrrrr.

[Pig Bomb]

Seriously. I think this has been three of four years in a row now where there's been some killer bug in the game on launch day. The game launches every July, but it usually sits on the shelf till August or September while I'm waiting for vital features to be patched.

And I don't see how the dev team failed to catch this bug. I've seen it in every single custom playbook (20+ now) I've created. Grrrrrr.

the game needs a longer development cycle in a big way...i wish the yearly sports game release was a thing of the past..seriously

[Unconquered]

the game needs a longer development cycle in a big way...i wish the yearly sports game release was a thing of the past..seriously

That'll never happen, unfortunately. At least not while NCAA is released under the EA brand. It would be interesting if they'd release a super-polished game every two years, though. I'd even pay more for it -- say, $75 to $100. But guys like us are in the minority.

[Dr Death]

That'll never happen, unfortunately. At least not while NCAA is released under the EA brand. It would be interesting if they'd release a super-polished game every two years, though. I'd even pay more for it -- say, $75 to $100. But guys like us are in the minority.

It could happen if they had things like Uniforms as a downloadable item... I saw a video today of the new :Wyoming: uniforms this year... they're adding a 3rd helmet, which is sweet. As long as they had constant uniform updates and tuners to make things right, an every other year release would make great sense. It would also probably add to their sales. And it may not be a popular thing to say... but I really wish there was some competition for these games. I will never forget my feeling when EA first bought the exclusivity rights for football games... I knew, I just knew that the product would suffer. When you have zero competition, you get problems that have plagued EA games since.

What I don't understand is how great FIFA is. I have never played the game, but reading the thoughts of those who do, they make it sound like one of the greatest games ever. Why that same approach isn't put into NCAA/Madden is beyond me... but there again, there's no competition.

[jello1717]

My very first CPB has never (*knock on wood*) bugged on me, but I've created several since that hit the zero play bug. I even got gutsy and added/removed a few more formations to my first one to perfect it even though I was really scared of breaking my only working CPB. Below are my own personal observations after entirely too many hours spent messing with these bugs.

It seems like main issue is when you get a formation in your book (that you usually don't select) with 0 plays in it. It seems like this can happen (although I don't know if this is the only way it can happen) if the formation is broken and the base pb has that formation in it. For me, it's SG-spread. Using ND's pb (which has this formation) it gets bugged. Using Miss. St and Nebraska (neither of which have the formation) it doesn't bug. From what I can tell, I think that one of the Hail Mary plays is using the SG-spread formation (in ND's book) and that's getting it bugged. Adding plays to ND's SG-spread did not fix my bug as the bugged "missing play" was still there.

I've had other bugged formations where I don't select it, but there's 1 play in it, but those have never caused my book to bug.

Using advice in this thread, I no longer remove all of my formations to begin with. This still doesn't prevent the bugs for me, but it's still very good advice.

Some formations, when added, will reduce your total allowed plays by 1. Someone in this thread compiled a list of those. I'd advise to not use any of those. When I'm creating a pb, I save often and anytime I add a formation and see my total go down, I back out and reload from my last save and avoid that formation.

Formation audibles are tied to your base pb. There's a good thread on Utopia dealing with this issue. I created a Neb pb for their wildcat and to get a normal GL instead of MSU's wishbone, but their formation audibles sucked. I tried removing the plays that I didn't want as a formation audible while keeping the one in MSU's pb, but I still didn't get the formation audible that I wanted.

[ram29jackson]

Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate any help in this matter... but the point of Custom Playbooks is to have the playbook that YOU want. Not one filled w/ a bunch of formations and plays you don't want!

And I know you know this and understand my frustration, I just don't get how this was not fixed months ago. I can't recall where I read it... it may have been Ram29... :D but someone said "I am getting tired of being a beta tester for EA..."

And sadly... that's what it feels like. :fp:


Well, considering, it's been basically impossible to figure out what's causing it (and, believe me, I've spent a good 10+ hours fuckin' with various playbooks trying to figure out what exactly the issue was), I'd say that's the reason why they haven't fixed it yet. Kinda hard to fix something when you can't figure out what the issue is to begin with.


I didnt say beta tester,...I basically just said I dont get paid to help solve their problems, I'm a consumer. EA advertised a certain thing and it aint actually in there, but since its not a food product or a car or an appliance, there is no standard they have to live up to, or a legal standard. They can just go "oops" to the one percent of their sales that go to boards like this and keep making money off a $60 game. Until I here some internet magic that it can be tuned or patched or whatever, i'm not wasting time on that feature..I cant even get online much as of yet..they have to mess with servers too still

Mors said he spent 10 hours with playbooks....? Its a toy I bought to have some pseudo football funtime. Not figure out a work around for a broken tech.

Paakaa at the begining said something to the effect of " lets see if we cant get to the bottom of what the problem is?"
haha and he wonders why I ask if he is bucking for a job at EA haha

i'm not trying to be facetious or get off topic,just typing a comment/s. No one take it personal.

[WolverineJay]

Well it just got to a whole other level for me with the zero play CP bug. As I mentioned earlier in another thread my CP would not load or after loading the game would freeze making me restart my PS3 so I just stopped using my CP. I decided today to go in and maybe clean up my book and see if I could spot something that could be causing the game to crash. I go and select my offensive CP from the list of available CP's (I made one defensive and one offensive CP), but the playbook that loads has a different name and contains 0 formations and 0 plays. The entire playbook is missing and I can't even back out to the main menu because the game says I have too few plays in my playbook, GRRRR! I was forced to quit the game and tried it again since my offensive CP was at least there yesterday, but I got the same result on my screen(playbook name 2 with 0/40 formations and 0/400 plays). No wonder the game was freezing when it tried to load my CP, it can't load a playbook that doesn't exist. All the work I put in and it is now gone what a joke. I have to redo my playbook, and I will use a different team as my base instead of Miami. I have no idea how to prevent this from happening again, but since this was my #1 feature in NCAA 12 I got to keep trying.

[Capt Orygun]

Still glitching post patch, I called three timeouts in a row with no luck. I got the kick return and then it went to pot

Base: Oregon
Formations: 20
Plays: 370

for whatever it is worth I use I-form, Pistol, and Spread formations and retain roughly 80% of the plays in each formation I use. I believe there is one formation with only one play and it is an audible.

TO EA: I have regretted my new purchase three years in a row and counting. While 11 was enjoyable after six months of patching it was not "as advertised" out of the box. Considering the sales numbers, that's a LOT of money spent which was predicated on false advertisement. It would be one hell of a class action suit... just saying. Get your house in order, there are hundreds of people on here who would be very happy to test your BETA in exchange for a free copy of the game. You could have an army of bug-finders working for pennies per hour, rather than hundreds of thousands of unhappy customers annually. If you are going to do this to us every year please stamp "BETA" on the front of the box so we know what we are actually buying...

[oweb26]

Still glitching post patch, I called three timeouts in a row with no luck. I got the kick return and then it went to pot

Base: Oregon
Formations: 20
Plays: 370

for whatever it is worth I use I-form, Pistol, and Spread formations and retain roughly 80% of the plays in each formation I use. I believe there is one formation with only one play and it is an audible.

TO EA: I have regretted my new purchase three years in a row and counting. While 11 was enjoyable after six months of patching it was not "as advertised" out of the box. Considering the sales numbers, that's a LOT of money spent which was predicated on false advertisement. It would be one hell of a class action suit... just saying. Get your house in order, there are hundreds of people on here who would be very happy to test your BETA in exchange for a free copy of the game. You could have an army of bug-finders working for pennies per hour, rather than hundreds of thousands of unhappy customers annually. If you are going to do this to us every year please stamp "BETA" on the front of the box so we know what we are actually buying...


You have every god given right to type that, but what does it actually solve? And what patch are you referring to? I am going to assume the game day one.

[Pig Bomb]

i have stopped using the custom playbook feature until they fix it... i wish they would stop releasing the game on a yearly cycle so they could sell us something more than a beta
i'm loving the game play and overall experience though

[Capt Orygun]

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You have every god given right to type that, but what does it actually solve? And what patch are you referring to? I am going to assume the game day one.

Yes I meant the day one patch, some other people had referenced that, and I thought the glitch was post patch anyway, but better too much info than not enough I say.

As for the why? Several reasons. First I am simply a dissatisfied consumer. Second, I am a concerned fan of the franchise. One of the key things about this site, and Jeff Jarvis covers this in "What Would Google Do," is that it provides a platform for consumers to leverage their voice against the producer of a product. One of the WORST things you can do in this new reality is to appear to not be listening. For the last three years (if not longer) this game has not been "as advertised" on the launch date. I would hate to see all the progress made in quality over the last few years lost to poor consumer relations. NCAA Football is at a real risk of losing her casual fan base if this continues, and as the NCAA Basketball franchise proved, the die hard fan base will not sustain a franchise.

As for what all this ranting solves? Nothing! It isn't my job to solve this problem. I paid my $60, and as a consumer, as I have paid, I am entitled to the product I was told I was buying. It's quite simple.

[ThaShark316]

Can't wait til the devs fix this.

I've been in practice mode with the CP that I made and damn, it's awesome. Luckily, the defensive book has no bug and that's already greatness. When the offense gets fixed, my thumbs will shed a happy tear.

[Unconquered]

As a bonus for our pain and suffering, I'd sure appreciate it if they'd organize CPB formations alphabetically when they patch this.

The formations I picked were vomited into my CPB at random:

Big
4WR Trips
Twin TE
F Wing Trips
Y-Trips
Empty 5WR
Bunch
Spread
Big Wing
Normal
Bunch Base
Slot Y Flex

[ThaShark316]

As a bonus for our pain and suffering, I'd sure appreciate it if they'd organize CPB formations alphabetically when they patch this.

The formations I picked were vomited into my CPB at random:

Big
4WR Trips
Twin TE
F Wing Trips
Y-Trips
Empty 5WR
Bunch
Spread
Big Wing
Normal
Bunch Base
Slot Y Flex

Agreed. Formations being fixed to be in alphabetical order would be like getting that complimentary drink at that fast food restaurant when you had to wait for your order.

[Unconquered]

Formations being fixed to be in alphabetical order would be like getting that complimentary drink at that fast food restaurant when you had to wait for your order.

Exactly. And for the record, I meant to specify that those were all Ace formations that were scattered in my CPB at random. Annoying.

[Kerbs]

I just had to download a new update about an hour ago. I tried playing with my custom playbook and even after the second update the bug still happened. I didnt try to make a new playbook once the new patch was released, but maybe that will work.

When i see the blank play as long as i audible right away i can get the play off. My backup qb is in and my starting quarterback is in at one wr spot. A backup fs is in at te. My base formation is Michigan State and im on 360.

[SmoothPancakes]

I just had to download a new update about an hour ago. I tried playing with my custom playbook and even after the second update the bug still happened. I didnt try to make a new playbook once the new patch was released, but maybe that will work.

When i see the blank play as long as i audible right away i can get the play off. My backup qb is in and my starting quarterback is in at one wr spot. A backup fs is in at te. My base formation is Michigan State and im on 360.

Are you sure it was an update specifically for NCAA and not a system update for 360? Xbox is rolling out an update to get your 360 console ready for the big Fall update coming out in the next month or two. People have been getting prompted for it for a week or so now, I didn't get prompted for it until just this afternoon.

[Pig Bomb]

ya that was an xbox update not an NCAA

[pantherone26]

Any word on this? I've been getting the glitch more and more as I play. The first playbook I created didn't glitch on me, as I got more advanced with my playbook it has started to happen more and more. My base formation is Tennessee.

[Unconquered]

Any word on this? I've been getting the glitch more and more as I play.

Not a peep. It'll probably be fixed along with a bunch of other things in patch #2, which will probably be released the first or second week of August.

[Capt Orygun]

so how do you switch your teams base playbook on OLD without using a custom playbook? I want to set my formation subs but I have the wrong base playbook...

[confuzius]

Agreed. Formations being fixed to be in alphabetical order would be like getting that complimentary drink at that fast food restaurant when you had to wait for your order.

One can dream can't they. I am so certain they will classify this request as not necessary to fix, that I posted this to the 2013 wishlist instead. No point in getting our hopes up, although they really really should do this. They already have the sorting algorithms, it would be just a few lines of code :(.

[I OU a Beatn]

As a bonus for our pain and suffering, I'd sure appreciate it if they'd organize CPB formations alphabetically when they patch this.



Yes, we should be allow to arrange the formations to our liking. I HATE having a 5 wide formation at the top of my play book, and then another one near the bottom. They should be grouped together or at least allow us to change the order ourselves.

[THE Travis]

So, community leaders who are in direct contact with the dev team, any word on this yet?

[gschwendt]

So, community leaders who are in direct contact with the dev team, any word on this yet?
When EA is ready to comment on this, or patches, or anything of that nature, they'll do so themselves.

[THE Travis]

When EA is ready to comment on this, or patches, or anything of that nature, they'll do so themselves.

Sorry, I was a little confused since JBhuskers told me to rest assured that ya'll were personally in contact with the devs regarding this issue.

[gschwendt]

Sorry, I was a little confused since JBhuskers told me to rest assured that ya'll were personally in contact with the devs regarding this issue.
And we are, but that's not to say we have specific details as to what is happening on their end or when we'll be able to share anything specific.

[THE Travis]

Sounds good, I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath then. I'm no scientist, but my uneducated opinion is that this would be a very difficult, if not impossible, problem to patch. Too bad that the biggest feature is so buggy.

[gschwendt]

Sounds good, I suppose I shouldn't hold my breath then. I'm no scientist, but my uneducated opinion is that this would be a very difficult, if not impossible, problem to patch. Too bad that the biggest feature is so buggy.
I wholeheartedly disagree. The problem is tracking down the exact cause of the issue... I think once they figure that out, it shouldn't be terribly difficult to correct.

[THE Travis]

I think the issue is related to hidden sub formations, formation audibles, and the entire organizational structure that EA uses. It will not be an easy "fix" (unless they just tell us to work around it). Even if they fix the zero play bug itself, I imagine we will still have all the problems tied to audibles and formation organization. I mean the entire thing is ad-hoc at best, and this is the sort of problems you get when you just slap stuff together

[Buckeye]

gschwendt- I apologize if it has been covered elsewhere already, but is EA aware of the issue where one or more formation audibles are not assigned in certain cases in a custom playbook? If so, has EA communicated to either you guys or anywhere else that they are aware of the issue and will be addressing it in a patch? Thanks!

[gschwendt]

gschwendt- I apologize if it has been covered elsewhere already, but is EA aware of the issue where one or more formation audibles are not assigned in certain cases in a custom playbook? If so, has EA communicated to either you guys or anywhere else that they are aware of the issue and will be addressing it in a patch? Thanks!
They are aware of that issue. As far as official response, there's nothing available as far as I'm aware.

[morsdraconis]

I'm beginning to believe that there is a major issue with Shotgun Spread that is causing all the issues. In a new CPB that I created that's a mixture of power running and shotgun formations from the VT playbook (Multiple), I had a Hail Mary play show up in the SG Spread play list while looking through the book, inside of the CPB interface (could be what's causing my earlier thing of the number of available plays being reduced by 1 by choosing certain formations because those formations, for some ungodly reason, have a Hail Mary play in them which is already in the playbook and thus causing some weird glitch that reduces the number of plays available).

Combine that with my other idea that I think having a formation that doesn't have a number of plays that's divisible by 3 (which causes blank spots in the playbook) could also be causing the issue.

It seems like, no matter the playbook, the Shotgun Spread formation MUST be in it, otherwise it's immediately bugged (everyone one that I've created that had it in there when I first created it has no issues at all with the bug), thus I think it's very possible that it could be the source of the bug along with not having enough plays in a formation to be divisible by 3.

I haven't had a chance to do more testing on these theories (and to see if I was able to fix my new CPB that got bugged because of those two issues), but I know that with both the SG Spread and SG Spread Flex formations in my playbook had to have two more plays than what would make them divisible by 3 to make them actually fill up the blank spots in the playbook for some reason (makes me think there was an extra play in both of them that shouldn't have been since looking at the formation breakdown, both formations had enough plays in them to be divisible by 3 but by then going into rearrange the plays, both formations had an extra page with only one play in it - and, as I said above, for some reason, SG Spread had a Hail Mary play in it, which appeared to be the extra play for that formation).

Hope that makes sense...

[IceMage]

I think the possible cause for the issue would be the suggested plays feature. It's more than likely trying to pick plays that it expects to exist for some reason or another, but don't exist at all. Some of the plays have code that is borrowed from other plays, so my guess is that these plays are stored in a chunk of memory that is available to the game engine (for running the plays) but not in the playbook engine (for selecting the plays). If the first suggested play is one that you don't have in your playbook, my guess is it's causing the playbook to glitch out. If this is the case, it wouldn't be all that difficult to patch really, there'd just need to be an extra check along the way.

The reason I speculate this is because it explains quite a few things (1.) It doesn't happen to everybody's playbooks. (2.) It doesn't even happen all the time, and in fact appears to be somewhat random. (3.) It doesn't happen with the default playbooks, and (4.) I've never had it happen to me while running a hurry up offense.

Has anyone had the zero play glitch occur during a hurry-up offense?

[morsdraconis]

Actually, that's quite interesting.

No, I haven't had it happen to me during a hurry-up offense and it seems to always flash the suggested plays screen for a second when it happens. That very well could be the issue because it's the only time I can get it to happen in practice is when I do the Ask Corso thing.

[Sven Draconian]

Good theory IceMage. It would also explain why I had it happen to me on defense twice (encroachment penalty both times) until I hit "o" to get out of the suggest plays screen.

Morse: I've created 6 playbooks that work, only 1 includes "Shotgun Spread" and almost all have plays that are not divisible by 3 (blank spots).

A theory I have is that the CPU only uses a very limited number of plays. There are thousands in the game, but I would not be surprised if the CPU only had access to a few hundred of those plays. If whatever scenario arises and the CPU starts searching for a play-set and comes up blank (lets say none of the 3rd and 20 plays the CPU likes is in your book), it breaks the "suggest plays" feature and causes the error. No real foundation for that theory, other than a little knowledge of the AI system and observations.

[oweb26]

I would love for a dev to say what the problem is just to see who is right. Lol

So many theories

[SmoothPancakes]

I would love for a dev to say what the problem is just to see who is right. Lol

So many theories

I've never had the custom playbook issue happen to me, even having just used them just moments ago in an OD user vs. user game, so I have no personal experience as to what it could possibly be. However, from reading a couple of these recent replies, it sounds to me like the Suggested Plays theory could be on the right track as to what the issue is.

[baseballplyrmvp]

finally ran into this today in an od game. i used a custom defensive playbook and on the first play of the game, nothing showed up. happened 3 times throughout the first.

[txtradition]

Ive had the same problem with every playbook i tried to create. I think i found something that works. I started a playbook with bowling green. kept all the formations and audibles. cut out some plays and added my favorite formations and plays. i have 40 formations and 149 plays. ive played at least 6 games online and have not had the zero play pop up at all. it froze a couple of times getting into a game but i think it was my opponents playbook not mine. hope this helps!!

[Architekto]

Ok I thought I had finally set my cpb and did not get the glitch in about 10 cpu od games. Tonight I couldnt use my cpb In a user game because my goaline and special teams formations disappeared. Has anyone seen this before?

[baseballplyrmvp]

i've usually been able to fix the problem, by forcing a timeout. if nothing showed up, i'd call a timeout, and then the rest of my playbook comes back....but today, that attempted solution didnt work. i wasted all 3 timeouts before ever playing a down in an od game today. i tried restarting the game 3 times, with the same thing happening all 3 times. never had i seen this bug happen on back to back to back to back plays before; as it'd only happen one play then it'd be over. cant wait the patch comes out and its fixed.

[txtradition]

Ok I thought I had finally set my cpb and did not get the glitch in about 10 cpu od games. Tonight I couldnt use my cpb In a user game because my goaline and special teams formations disappeared. Has anyone seen this before?

go to play style on playbook, scroll to special. pick special teams